From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #650 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 12 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 650 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JMDL Digest V2000 #649 ( -Reply) ["Craig Waltress" ] Re: JACO FILM [Jerry Notaro ] Re: full moon and wolves [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Frustration with Ebay...VLJC ["Megan" ] Re: Joni covers [Gertus@aol.com] Ebay Parlez (NJC) ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: JoniMitchell.com hide and seek [Michael Paz ] RE: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC [Alison E ] Early Birthday Wishes (SJC) [leslie@torchsongs.com] Today in Joni History - December 11 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC [Jeff Clark ] JM.com (NJC) ["c Karma" ] Kenneth Rexroth on Joni Mitchell [john low ] Joni piano music for "Blue" at jmdl.com [Howard ] Re: JM.com (NJC) [catman ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #649 ( -Reply) NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Gooey Presidents NJC ["kerry" ] Re: full moon and wolves ["Garret" ] James Taylor on 60 Minutes (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Gooey Presidents NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC [jp ] worth NJC [mags ] jm trivia thanks ["BRIAN SYMES" ] un clear data ["BRIAN SYMES" ] joni pics [susan+rick ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #649 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] saving jm.com ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: saving jm.com [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: saving jm.com ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: The '83 Milan Joni Riots (For Free?) [Robert Glenn Plotner ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 02:15:36 -0600 From: "Craig Waltress" Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #649 ( -Reply) **************************************************************** Please Note The information in this E-mail message is legally privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you should not further disseminate, distribute, or forward this E-mail message. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender. Thank you ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:22:49 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: JoniMitchell.com hide and seek > Wish me luck... of course! The situation is outrageous. > > > jj - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 05:25:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #649 ( -Reply) mr craig waltress, who are you?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!? and what does this message mean? i got it three thousand times already... wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Craig Waltress Enviado el: Lunes, 11 de Diciembre de 2000 05:16 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: JMDL Digest V2000 #649 ( -Reply) **************************************************************** Please Note The information in this E-mail message is legally privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you should not further disseminate, distribute, or forward this E-mail message. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender. Thank you ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 05:28:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JoniMitchell.com hide and seek jj dearest, the nerve! my hand is oh so ready to serve slaps right and left! rootin' here for you!!!!!! a kiss and a hug, wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de JoniMessages@aol.com Enviado el: Lunes, 11 de Diciembre de 2000 04:51 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: JoniMitchell.com hide and seek What a mess! Looks like JoniMitchell.com is taking a forced hiatus. jj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:35:59 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: NZ Music - NJC I actually sent another message about this, this morning (12 hours ago) but I haven't seen it yet, so I'm assuming the mail gateway I used at work failed, and it's divine justice anyway for trying to post from work when I should actually be working! I went to a friend's work Xmas party on Friday night (and what a night it was!) and he owns a management company that manage a band called Grand Central Band, who played at the party. I've mentioned them before on-list, and said what a great jazz/blues band they are. I must have seen them about 20-30 times over the last couple of years. Anyway, I was chatting to Chris (their vocalist) in a break, and bought a CD from him (just released) and we got to talking about websites. I mentioned the JMDL, and said I'd give them a plug which he was very pleased about! They can be heard at http://www.mp3.com/grandcentralband and are well worth checking out, if you like jazz and/or blues. Chris (Melville) has written all but three of the songs on the CD - two are covers and the other is an instrumental written by their keyboardist, Alan Brown. You can also order their CD from this site - which I HIGHLY recommend - for only $9.95. I'm sure they'd be thrilled to get some international orders! Another incentive is that Tony Hopkins (their brilliant drummer) has rated Shadows and Light in his top ten albums of all time, so he's a Joni-fan too! Check them out, I promise they won't disappoint! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:34:33 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: JACO FILM Dave and Beth Fairall wrote: > Thanks for the new Jaco link Julius. > Has it occured to anyone else how poignant and intriguing a film about the > life and times of Jaco could be, if done well? I've written to Ingrid several times urging her to write a book on Jaco. She's a wonderful writer and an authoritive bio is needed. I hope that she is at least considering it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:30:58 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: full moon and wolves <> You're welcome...that's why I punctuated what I had suggested by saying that you knew your friends better than did! Back in the days when I made compilation tapes for people, I would always include a Joni song that I felt spoke directly to their personal situation. Then, when they asked me about "that cool 'Song For Sharon" song', I could subversively suggest that they pick up the album it came from. This had 2 benefits...another person got turned on to Joni, and I got a free copy of Mingus after the same person bought Mingus and gave it to me saying 'you can have this one - it sucks!" ;~) << As a matter of fact, he had heard a compilation of Swedish artists doing their own (Swedish) versions of some Joni songs. I didn't know there was any such album, but it sounds interesting, doesn't it?>> It IS interesting, Dirk and quite good as well! I picked up on it thanks to Raffaelle. The title of the project is "A Bird That Whistles", and while it's a group of Swedish musicians, the songs are sung in English. This is not an official inclusion into the "Covers & Contributions", but I'll be glad to make a copy for any interested parties. Lemme know. Bob NP: XTC, "Thanks For Christmas" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:26:07 -0500 From: "Megan" Subject: Frustration with Ebay...VLJC Jim wrote: >' The desk clerk said, >"It happens every day", >As the stars fell down and the fields burned away > On Black Diamond Bay'. > Bobby Dylan, the best male songwriter in the English speaking world? Hi Jim: "Now a very great man once said That some people rob you with a fountain pen It didn't take too long to find out Just what he was talking about" Bob Dylan,"Talking New York" In the case of Ebay, I guess we can substitute " click of a mouse" for "fountain pen" ,huh? Loved your Dylan quote, and agree about Bob--he is THE man (although I must admit I have a weakness for Neil Young as well) Joni would probably be horrified-- she's said in many past interviews that she hates singer/songwriters being catorgorized into "Male" and "Female",but how can one choose between Joni & Dylan? --it's too mind-boggling to comprehend.And BW to Chris in his Ebay bidding wars, I sincerely hope he doesn't get ripped-off any more than he already has. :~) Megan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:53:16 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covers In a message dated 11/12/00 08:21:08 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > Marcel Dadi, "Both Sides Now" (anxious to hear this one, he's a French > classical guitarist) > Hi Bob, Reading this reminded me that I've been meaning to check with you for some time whether you have Nigel Kennedy's lovely version of UFG from Classic Kennedy, or John William's classical guitar version of Woodstock (I think)? I've never heard the latter but read about it somewhere. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:10:37 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Ebay Parlez (NJC) OK, OK Thanks all for the advice. I think I have a handle on how to (rather devilishly) get my auctions won for a decent price. I must say, however, at least for the price of posters on Ebay, They're not ripping people off. Back when I first started collecting, I would mail order my posters from a shop on Ventura Blvd. in LA, FOR HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS. I think the cheapest thing I got from them was $75. Poster collecting can get very expensive, moreso than music itself. Even more frustrating is that once dry mounted, the poster is not worth anything anymore, but if I'm gonna buy it, I'm gonna hang it...this isn't just so I can keep them rolled up in a tube in the closet. To me, that seems pointless, though I guess plenty of people do it. So, in my book, Ebay is reasonable. Also, to Jim in as far as having potentially alerted my competition, Joni is not the main focus of my Ebay collecting, though a definite part of it.Anyway, folks, thanks again. -C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:14:02 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JoniMitchell.com hide and seek Jim I am so sorry you are having this trouble. Have you checked with any of the Universitys? Loyola here offers up space on their site for Louisiana music and heritage archiving. I will contact a friend there and see what they say about jm.com. I wish you the best of luck and PLEASE let us know if WE can do ANYTHING as a community. Best Michael on 12/10/00 11:51 PM, JoniMessages@aol.com at JoniMessages@aol.com wrote: > What a mess! Looks like JoniMitchell.com is taking a forced hiatus. > > Earlier this year, my ISP, Whole Earth Networks/GST, sold off all their web > customers to a company called ClearData.net. Apparently, the good folks at > ClearData.net have decided they don't want the Whole Earth/GST business after > all and they just cut us all off -- no notification letter, no courtesy call, > no nothing! Their web site isn't operational, their voice mailbox is full and > just hangs up on me. I finally managed to get somebody on the phone who > brusquely informed me that "we're not servicing you anymore," but didn't > offer any help. Isn't this illegal? It certainly should be! > > I can't believe this is happening. And I'd just put up that great picture of > Joni from the cover of Toronto's Elm Street magazine. Sigh, rant, sigh. > > So now I have to find an ISP that won't charge me multiple limbs to keep > JoniMitchell.com up and running. Apparently the server that has all the site > files on it has been sold off to a company called Valuenet. I'm going to see > what they can do; with luck I'll be back online soon. Wish me luck... > > jj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:05:32 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Ayn Rand and HUAC - NJC i read all these posts on ayn rand. i've not read anything by her. i have a friend who is a professor and teaches literature and composition. i mentioned ayn rand's name the other day to her and she was very interested. so i explained the discussion the list had running at the time and finally, since i couldn't remember the details, i forwarded a few of the threads to her. she responded to me and i felt her comments, especially on joni toward the end were very interesting. she read harper lou's post, clark's post, and colin's post. now, she wants to know how to join the list and i'm all discombobulated about it. i mean, ...how can i have my in the flesh friends overlap with my cyber friends? it's too much for me to consider today. nonetheless, i felt i should share her comments with y'all. patrick np. natalie merchan - tiger lillies but here are a few thoughts for you on these guys' posts: ~clark said~ <> It's interesting that in arguing against a need for a spiritual life, clark offers a most respectable apologia for that very life--what is the spiritual life if not an appreciation of and quest for the mysteries? whether approaching it from science or religion, this search is part of our nature. we are spiritual beings, seeking to experience and/or understand the mystery/mysteries of life. it's in us and around us. there's no way out of it except through it. ~colin said~ <> i can see why you like what clark said better. and i'm too tired right now to find the right words, but it's his premise(s)--it seems he's using circular logic: if you're selfish, you're selfish. if you're altruistic, you're really selfish because you're being altruistic for selfish reasons--feeling good--not for the purpose of being altruistic. there's selfishness that actively destroys others. and then there's the other kind--the "selfishness" (some call it altruism) that provides good things for all parties involved. carl sagan touches the issue in an essay called "the rules of the game." he talks about the zero-sum model of win-lose propositions, and how we so often view everything in life in win-lose terms. and he talks about the realities of lose-lose propositions (nuclear war) and win-win propositions (art, music, love, friendship). to see all giving or altruism as ultimately selfish is, i think, to view life through that narrow, zero-sum (win-lose) window and to miss the richer possibilities. and this is where harper lou was all wrong about comparing rand with joni--rand was very dualistic, but joni sees the truth of and in the depths and layers. and i think the bursting of this kind of dualistic thinking is at least part of her point in "both sides now"--there's more to clouds and life and love and happiness (or not) than false win-lose dualities. it's not a black and white, either/or win-lose-only world. there're always really more sides than 'both,' and if we try to understand only in those dualistic terms, we'll ultimately figure out--if we're really honest--that we just don't get it at all. (nouwen would talk about how we need to work at giving gratuitously--not expecting to receive from the person to whom we've given, but trusting in the broader picture that what we need will be given to us--but probably via someone else. i'm not sure colin's model here has room for this either). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:43:48 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Ayn Rand and HUAC - NJC > ~colin said~ > < worst kind of life and the most painful, is one spent only taking. Without > giving there > is no keeping. The only way to have love is to give love. If you doubt the > truth of > getting what you give, look around the world and it's troubles and tell me > where giving > hatred resulted in receiving love in return. Tell me where giving judgement > resulted > in love received. Tell me where taking resulted in love received. Tell me > where > condemnation resulted in love receieved. Tell me where arrogance resulted in > love received.>> > > i can see why you like what clark said better. and i'm too tired right now > to find the right words, but it's his premise(s)--it seems he's using > circular logic: if you're selfish, you're selfish. if you're altruistic, > you're really selfish because you're being altruistic for selfish > reasons--feeling good--not for the purpose of being altruistic. That is NOT what I said. Or maybe it is. The point being, that it is not possible to be truly altruistic becuase we get back what we give. Giving thru compassion still rebounds on us. That giving in compassion is still because we suffere in the suffering of others. To desire to releive that suffering in others is to releive the suffering in ourselves. We all know 'selfich'people who would not act in such a way, who care only for themselves. they too reap what they sow. bw colin > > > there's selfishness that actively destroys others. and then there's the > other kind--the "selfishness" (some call it altruism) that provides good > things for all parties involved. carl sagan touches the issue in an essay > called "the rules of the game." he talks about the zero-sum model of > win-lose propositions, and how we so often view everything in life in > win-lose terms. and he talks about the realities of lose-lose propositions > (nuclear war) and win-win propositions (art, music, love, friendship). to > see all giving or altruism as ultimately selfish is, i think, to view life > through that narrow, zero-sum (win-lose) window and to miss the richer > possibilities. I think your firend did miss the point. As far as I am concerned the model I described is a win win one. And hardly narrow. It is about as wide as one can get. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:48:13 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: RE: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC wow, this is a coincidence... i joined and bid on an item for the very first time on friday. i was desperately seeking an out of print cd by one of my favorite male singer-songwriters and found one, apparently brand new with original seal, on sale for only nine bucks. i am willing to pay way more than nine bucks, i have been looking for this forever! so i bid really high, and low and behold, no one else has even bid! i felt a little foolish, thinking every item gets bid on or something. anyway, with a little luck and another twelve hours, IT WILL BE MINE AT LAST! (dramatic cackle...) so far, i like ebay! alison e. in nyc. - --- Eric Wilcox wrote: > Here's my strategy... > enjoy- > eric > Subject: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC > > Ok, So this is probably old news to y'all, but this > Ebay thing is TRULY > EVIL! Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:49:23 GMT From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Early Birthday Wishes (SJC) Both of these gentlemen have recorded Joni's songs. Both of these gentlemen were born on December 12th. Happy Birthday David Lahm, a great musician with a heart as big as the mountains. Happy Birthday also to Frank Sinatra - Frankie, I miss you... Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:45:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - December 11 1976: The LA Times reviews Hejira, saying "...the return to the more familiar and accessible tone of the folk-flavored singer-songwriter's peak creative period is only partially achieved. While containing traces of Mitchell's much admired imagery and in-sight Hejira lacks the consistency and, most importantly, the discovery of her best work." http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/761211lat.cfm 1996: The National Academy of Songwriters awards Joni a Lifetime Achievement Award. http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/961212r.cfm 1996: Joni receives the following awards from BMI: 1 Million Performance Certificate for "Big Yellow Taxi" 1 Million Performance Certificate for "Woodstock" 2 Million Performance Certificate for "Help Me" 4 Million Performance Certificate for "Both Sides Now" - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 00 14:29:12 EST From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC When I discovered ebay not that long ago, the first thing I bid on was a Joni Mitchell mousepad that I saw at Ashara's last summer and which everyone thinks is ridiculous. Even my roommate Alison, a JMDL'er, thinks it is silly- "How can you mouse-click on someone's face?" I admit it does seem strange, even a little sacriligous. Especially on someone who dosen't even like computers. So I've started to look at other uses for it. For instance when I am sitting at the table in the evening practicing my Joni songs on guitar, I often set my drink and snacks on it, kind of like a big coaster. And at Thanksgiving, Alison cooked a great meal (thanks again Alison!) and we used it to set the mashed potatoes on. You can also use it to hit people you don't like in the knee with it. Because it is soft and malleable, it does not usually leave lasting injuries. I use it this way when someone says something mean about DED or TTT. So I would have to say that for seven dollars it has proved to be good and versatile buy, if only as an interesting conversation piece. On the other hand, I was also burned when I bid on and won a supposed photo of Joni from the 1974 tour. It turned out that it wasn't a photo or print of a photo at all. A friend of mine said it was just a picture printed off the internet on some kind of photo-like laser paper. You can see the printer marks along the top of it. At about $14 dollars, this was a complete rip-off and I'm thinking of filing some kind of complaint. My advice would be to be very cautious of "photos" on ebay. Having just looked at ebay I've seen some new things I hadn't seen before. I thinking about getting the Joni Mitchell Commemorative Guitar Pick Collection as a Christmas gift to myself. Please don't outbid me JMDL! Jeff -- also a Collective Soul fan. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:52:07 From: "c Karma" Subject: JM.com (NJC) Just back from holiday, still no prez and even worse I haven't been able to get onto JoniMitchell.com for almost a week. Is anyone else having the same problem? CC "Will you still love me when I get back to town" -- JM _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 9:15 +1000 From: john low Subject: Kenneth Rexroth on Joni Mitchell Hello everyone, I was interested to discover that the poet, Kenneth Rexroth, was an early admirer of Joni Mitchell. Browsing the internet, I found an article written by him in 1969 titled Subversive Aspects of Popular Songs, in which he places the idea of popular music as poetry in its historical context. At one point he states how difficult it is to talk about the present (ie. 1969) situation because so much is happening. But he says: On the whole my own taste runs to poet singers who get to the root of the matter, who speak for fundamental changes in the sensibility in human relationships and therefore in language. Dylan at his best, Donovan, Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell, Judy Collins when she sings her own things . It is a very interesting article and can be found at www.slip.net/~knabb/rexroth/songs.htm I havent posted much of late (nothing really to say, I suppose), but before I return to my comfortable lurkdom Id like to say welcome to the new Aussie jmdler who I see has joined the list. Hi b.w.frank! Cheers, John. __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:48:07 +0000 From: Howard Subject: Joni piano music for "Blue" at jmdl.com Calling all piano players! I've just added the piano music for "Blue" to the jmdl.com site, so if you're interested to try it, let me know how you get on. (in the guitar section just search for type:piano, or search for the song "Blue") I've responded to a few emails over the last year or so, from people asking about Joni piano music, and said that i would be adding some to the JMDL site at some point. It took me a while longer than I'd planned, but it's there now! I hope to add at least one more song (For Free) soonish ... Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:06:44 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC > I admit it does seem strange, even a > little sacriligous. I am sure Our Lady won't mind....... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:09:47 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: JM.com (NJC) c Karma wrote: > Just back from holiday, still no prez and even worse I haven't been able to > get onto JoniMitchell.com for almost a week. Is anyone else having the same > problem Yes trhere is a problem and hopefully it will be fixed. Some bastards bought the server and closed JM.com down! > > > > CC > > "Will you still love me when I get back to town" -- JM > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:10:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #649 ( -Reply) NJC << and what does this message mean? i got it three thousand times already... >> Wally, my guess is that they guy has an "auto-reply" in his system such that whenever he gets the digest, it sends a message back to sender. Either that, or he likes to post, but has nothing to say! :~) Come out of lurkdom Craig and speak to us! Three Thousand times!?! Maybe you should be in Florida counting votes (Gore only) ;~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:21:01 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Gooey Presidents NJC Need to take your anxiety out about the election? Try this website: http://www.colonize.com/warp/index.html Have fun! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:40:38 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: full moon and wolves that was a nice post there Dirk i have to agree with you: at this point Hits and Misses dont really seem to represent my favourite part of Joni's career. i mean, i hear Judgement of the Moon and Stars or Down ot You or Amelia and it's like....this is Joni as i love her, but for those "uninitated new listeners" my favourite Joni moments might be a little *too* obscure or just too Joni-ish to take. imagine trying to introduce someone to Joni's music with HOSL! that album has been spinning in my cd player a lot lately and i'm really loving it (it was an absolute impulse buy one day, and it has just sat in my house for a while with me listening mostly to my fave tracks, but now i've really taken to it) but i can completely understand how it could possibly cause the opposite reaction in my frineds than i desire. i love harrys house/centerpiece, so when a friend forced me to copy all my fave Joni songs for him by means of introduction ot her music that was inevitably on there. he liked harrys house, but he hated centerpiece- which i think is "awfully marvelous". and i thought that was a song that everyoen would like once they heard it, lol! he did love chelsea morning, bsn, and river. now, for the NJC part: i liked the initiation rite analogy:-) very apt. i'm a science student; this was my first choice of college course. but at the time of making up my mind and filling out those forms i really wanted to study anthropology and was totally torn between two courses, my own and an arts degree in Maynooth. ideally i would have loved to do psychology with anthropology. i changed my mind so many times and finally said "thats it". does social anthropology make for good studying? my friends and relatives thought i was mad when i wanted to pursue this subject because a teacher of mine told my parents that there are few careet options in Ireland for an anthropolgy graduate. of course, they were at least happy that there was something i *wanted* to study! GARRET ps- i will learn to type eventually. i finally bought Mavis Beacon! NP- the supremes, all i want ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:33:51 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: James Taylor on 60 Minutes (NJC) 60 Minutes II on CBS will have a feature on James Taylor tomorrow night (12/12). Air time is 8pm central. Thought you might like to know, Michael NP-Fibbin-amphibians (cool JR) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:14:19 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC on 12/11/00 11:29 AM, Jeff Clark at jclarknyc@netscape.net wrote: > Having just looked at ebay I've seen some new things I hadn't seen before. I > thinking about getting the Joni Mitchell Commemorative Guitar Pick Collection > as a Christmas gift to myself. Please don't outbid me JMDL! Jeff- No this is something I would fight you for. I have a greeat collection of picks from all kinds of artists and of course they are scattered all thru my house in different pick locations, but JONI PICKS, oh please let there be two sets. Michael(getting ready to shoot Jeff with my Nerf Joni Gun) NP-Morrison-CPR Live ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:24:15 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Gooey Presidents NJC on 12/11/00 4:21 PM, kerry at myrtlmoo@ticon.net wrote: > Need to take your anxiety out about the election? Try this website: > > http://www.colonize.com/warp/index.html > > Have fun! > > Kerry Thank you! i needed that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 03:41:16 +0200 From: jp Subject: Re: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC there are people who don't seem to understand how an individual bid and the increment differ. i've received one hate mail with the writer being very frustrated at how everytime he raised his bid, i immediately outbid him... this was at the last minutes of the auction. of course it was the proxy system raising the high bid by the increment everytime he bidded, and my limit was never met. i was sound asleep at the time. i confess that i sometimes bid at the last minute too, on purpose. partly i simply take advantage of the fact that many of the other bidders have not submitted their real limit and aren't going to be online at the last minute. on the other hand, there is always a risk that eBay isn't working at all at the crucial moments or lines are so congested that you can't place your bid in time. at the end of the day, i think the best way to control oneself at eBay is to do what eBay itself instructs: submit a bid that's your limit - simple as that. and remember to exclude shipping costs from that figure - especially if you are in another country. even if someone outbids you, your bid makes sure that no-one gets it cheaper than what you were prepared to pay... ;-) - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:21:38 -0600 From: mags Subject: worth NJC A well known speaker started off his seminar by holding up a $20 dollar bill in the room of 200 people and he asked, "Who would like this $20 bill?" Hands started going up. He said, "I am going to give this $20 to one of you, but first, let me do this." He proceeded to crumple the dollar bill up. He then asked, "Who still wants it?" Sill, the hands were up in the air. "Well," he continued, "what if I do this?" And he dropped it on the ground and started to grind it into the floor with his shoe. He picked it up, now crumpled and dirty. "Now, who still wants it?" Still the hands went into the air. "My friends, you have all learned a very valuable lesson. No matter what I did to the money, you still wanted it because it did not decrease in value. It is still worth $20. "Many times in our live, we are dropped, crumpled, and ground into the dirt by the decisions we make and the circumstances that come our way. We feel as if we are worthless. But no matter what has happened or what will happen, you will never lose your value." "Dirty or clean, crumpled or finely creased, you are still priceless to those who love you." "The worth of our lives comes not in what we do or who we know, but in who we ARE. You are special. Don't ever forget it." pass this on to those people who mean something to you. you will never know the lives it touches, the hurting hearts it speaks to, or the hope it can bring. count your blessings, not your problems. love, Mags and Brian np: Dante's Prayer, Loreena McKennitt, live in Paris and Toronto - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:59:03 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: jm trivia thanks 1.Thanks to KAKKI and IVPAUL42 FOR TRIVIA answers and JoniMessages for info on jonimitchell.com 2.NO thanks to Craig Waltress wake up go have technical difficulties man! 3. What can Jmdl people do to get jm.com back? Thanks Bye. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:33:43 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: un clear data just surfed thru the short history od the isp uncleardata.net whoa it just ate up a bunch of smaller fish in the net and now its being merged with compaq computers to set up something off a rival of msn. Bucky Fuller envisisioned a world bank to create an equal usage of our planet resourses. He had no clue to the WORLDNET THAT IS TO BE . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:48:27 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: joni pics Thanks to Pat for the tip about the Joni photos (and others, including Linda Ronstadt) at: http://www.wildeimages.com Hey Pat, check the site again. There are actually eight pictures! And no, I haven't forgotten about the scan I promised you. It will happen. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:25:50 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #649 Jim --- re the missing jm.com site/files. If this is copyrighted material, then notify them (whoever it is) that your lawyer is preparing to sue their ass unless you get access to it right away. This is a national tragedy, almost as bad as the probable Bush presidency. God help us all. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:39:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: saving jm.com i'm no expert, so i don't know whether this is feasible or not. however, i think that we should start thinking as a community and try to figure out a way to fight whomever we need to fight and befriend whomever we need to befriend in order to get jm.com back where it belongs. i don't have the slightest idea of what can be done, i'm so sorry to admit, but i'm willing to do whatever is required and asked of me to stop this atrocity. should we raise funds? should we sue? should we seek the advice of experts? i know all of you out there feel that something must be done. let's start discussing this issue, please. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:48:30 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: saving jm.com I say raise funds. I have a copy of the Mendel Gallery's recent fall issue of Folio featuring Joni which I'm willing to offer at a private auction to the JMDL Community. Proceeds to benefit JM.com. I'm not sure how exactly we could do this. I was thinking that if anyone else had stuff out there they're willing to donate we can put it together and the highest bidder wins whatever item they bid on. What do you think? Any ideas? Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 03:53:31 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: saving jm.com i have an original program book of the refuge of the roads tour. would that be worth anything? wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: RoseMJoy@aol.com [mailto:RoseMJoy@aol.com] Enviado el: Martes, 12 de Diciembre de 2000 03:49 a.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: saving jm.com I say raise funds. I have a copy of the Mendel Gallery's recent fall issue of Folio featuring Joni which I'm willing to offer at a private auction to the JMDL Community. Proceeds to benefit JM.com. I'm not sure how exactly we could do this. I was thinking that if anyone else had stuff out there they're willing to donate we can put it together and the highest bidder wins whatever item they bid on. What do you think? Any ideas? Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:14:06 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Re: The '83 Milan Joni Riots (For Free?) A friend in Italy has written to tell me that the "riot" during Joni's concert in Milan in 1983 was the result of a police clash with leftists who were of a strong opinion that music concerts should be free. The group was trying to forcibly gain access to the sold-out venue. Reminds me a little of the documentary footage of the Isle of Wight Festival. But wasn't 1983 a little late for this kind of crusade? Robert Get ClownX Spray-on Clown Revealer now! http://www.seriouslydisturbedhumor.com/ Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:18:30 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: uncleardata If the jm page dissapeared at cleardata we could all email (sue.wilcox@clear date.net) or (sales@cleardata.net) SUBLIME pictures of joni,on wilde pictures, susan+rick screen saver material for sure. gettin your kicks on gooey pres pics is good therapy! N.P. Happy Xmas (the election will be over) Celine ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #650 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?