From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #641 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 6 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 641 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC - And That's Just The Problem ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: Sisotowbell Lane ? [susan+rick ] Re: irregardless/regardless NJC [susan+rick ] Sisotowbell Lane, FL [susan+rick ] Sisotowbell Lane, FL, NJC [susan+rick ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:48:36 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: NJC - And That's Just The Problem I've about had it with y'all. I realize that if necessary, I can always switch to the 'only-joni' list, but I'd like to think that'd be a hasty move. The amount of email that I'm receiving from this list that has not only no Joni content, but no musically related content, has become quite irksome in the wake of the election (or lack thereof). In the process, we have managed to further alienate one another, infuriate one another, and in my case, bore one another to tears. Don't get me wrong here, folks, there's nothing wrong with a healthy debate, but things have gotten to the point where I have 400 emails in my inbox at the moment, and I've only bothered to open 100 of them. Let's take a closer look at what we're deciding to share with one another as a group, shall we? -Chris "Good or bad, we think we know; As if thinking makes things so! All convictions grow along a borderline. Smug in your jaded expertise...." - -JM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:01:41 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: irregardless/regardless NJC Unfortunately the NEW YORK TIMES no longer deserves, IMO, to be held up as the standard of correctness. There is too much sloppy writing and very sloppy editing for that. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:32:58 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Sisotowbell Lane ? NPC In a message dated 12/6/00 12:07:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, briansymes1@EMAIL.MSN.COM writes: << hell question of the night is 1.Where is Sisotowbell lane a search on expedia found one down in the Florida panhandle not to far from a street named after a Beatle song. I know JM met David Crosby down there at the Coconut Grove?. >> Coconut Grove is in Miami, entirely at the opposite end of Florida from the Panhandle. probably 500 miles or more away. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:57:55 -0500 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Re: NJC - And That's Just The Problem I kind of like JMDL best when it strays off topic, NOT on the political threads though. I say take a break, please! If you watched VH-1 tonight they had a BTM special on 1970 and showed Joni Mitchell singing, "Big Yellow Taxi". So there's some Joni content. I actually have a ? There is only one Joni Mitchell, so that is HER singing in that Audi car commercial where the father wants to keep his daughter a child just a little while longer. I don't know the song, but I know the voice, and that is Joni! Or a spot on impersonator. But I say, let's ease up on the politics and if we wanna stray here are some topics: *The Beatles or The Stone who is the Best Rock and Roll Band in the World? *What's your favourite usage of a (okay this is Joni content) Joni song in a television show or movie I like the "River" in thirtysomething's Christmas episode where Melissa and Michael have a huge fight, and actually in another episode Elliot sings "Woodstock", he might have been emulating CSNY but Joni wrote the song! And actually thirtysomething also used "The Circle Game" in a great episode. I miss that show wish Lifetime would bring it back. *How many of the older listers went to Woodstock, Monterey Pop, Isle of Wight? I'd love to hear your stories. *Have a favourite SNL or Kids in the Hall sketch? *Is money the root of all evil or the answer to your prayers? *Got a recipe for chicken noodle soup? Please share. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:11:12 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: John Galt, Ayn Rand, etc.,NJC Mark wrote: > I don't see it as being totally wrong to compare Joni's >*artistic* philosophy to that of Ayn Rand. I'm thinking more >of 'The Fountainhead' in this regard than of 'Atlas Shrugged'. >The protagonist of 'The Fountainhead is a brilliant architect >who absolutely refuses to compromise his work - to garner >critical or popular acclaim or for any other reason. Rand's >contention is that great art can only be created from the >artist's purely selfish desire to fulfill his or her own unique >vision. I don't think that's much different from Joni's refusal >to pander to critical or popular taste. Thanks for this insight! For whatever reason the English teachers in my senior year of high school focused more on the works of Ayn Rand than any other writer. We had quite an immersion in her and I was totally fascinated by her writing and philosophy. Whether or not one agrees with her philosophy, she is a brilliant, original and compelling writer. > I find it's best to sift out what doesn't ring > true and keep what seems right. The older I get the less I >am inclined to swallow any given line of thought whole. Me, too. As much as I love her writings, to apply a completely "objectivist" orientation to the big wild and wooly world is just not realistic. I think that she believes her philosophy is compassionate in its own way in that "if we take care of ourselves first, then others will benefit positively", but the "rationalism" of it all is a bit dry and leaves a huge hole in the equation for me. In addition to leaving out the compassion factor she also, as an atheist, leaves the spiritual factor out of her philosophy. It is all compelling but also glaringly lacking in a few major areas. My true soulmate writer has always been John Steinbeck, who does more to elevate the beauty of humanity for me than anyone. I think I read all his books about four times each. They are gorgeous, real and full of heart. > In that light I would just like to say to Kakki that, although I >do not necessarily agree with everything you have said in >the recent discussions of the election, I *always* respect >the fact that you try to take an objective stance and see >things from all possible angles. I appreciate your clear->headedness and lack of vitriol. Thank you Mark! Bottom line for me is that people and freidnships and music and lots of other things are more important to me than political affiliations. God forbid anyone's political party becomes their "religion" where the precepts say "it's my way or the highway." I'll become a radical anarchist before I let that happen to me! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 22:57:03 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: Sisotowbell Lane ? > From: "BRIAN SYMES" > 1.Where is Sisotowbell lane a search on expedia found one down in the Florida > panhandle not to far from a street named after a Beatle song. I guess it's my turn to answer this one this time around. In the mid-60's Joni was playing around with words made up from the first letter of sentences. Some of the words came from a fantasy story she was writing that featured small fairy-like creatures ("small enough to float out of a guitar sound-hole"). The name of the queen of the female race (Joni's words) was Siquomb, which stood for She Is Queen Undisputed Of Mind Beauty, later to become the name of her publishing company. Anyway, Sisotowbell is a made-up word that came from the sentence Somehow In Spite Of Troubles Ours Will Be Ever Lasting Love. What interests me is that a town may have used it for a street name. I'll have to look that up. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:13:04 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: irregardless/regardless NJC > From: catman > irregardless > I first noticed this word a little while ago and assumed that it had been a > mistake. I > have now seen it sevral times in print from Americans and heard an American > say the word > on a news program. > Are they all making a mistake or is that how you say 'regardless'? That is how a lot of people say it and, yes, they are all making a mistake. The problem stems from the similarity between irregardless and words like irrespective and irrelevant. Usage, however, may ultimately determine the acceptability of such a meaningless word in much the same way that hopefully is now widely accepted to mean "it is to be hoped". Ranger Rick, who loves being didactic when it comes to language. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:35:39 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: Sisotowbell Lane, FL > From: "BRIAN SYMES" > 1.Where is Sisotowbell lane a search on expedia found one down in the Florida > panhandle not to far from a street named after a Beatle song. I looked up the name on Expedia and, sure enough, there it was, a stone's throw from Penny Lane and apparently intersecting Long and Winding Road. It was spelled Sisowtobell, however. Anyone live in the Tallahassee area who could check up on this? It looks to be a few miles north of Interstate10, about five miles east of the city. Think I'll check MapQuest now. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:49:48 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: Sisotowbell Lane, FL, NJC Penny Lane also intersects Long and Winding Road but they don't quite meet Blue Jay Way which is a little west of them. Seems like either a developer or someone in the city of Tallahassee's planning department was paying tribute to some favourites. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #641 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?