From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #640 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 640 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- TLTISR, Tin Angel and BSN [Penny ] A Case of you NJC ["Robin Mathews" ] I feel like Tina tonight NJC ["Robin Mathews" ] Re: Absolutely Fabulous ["Hell" ] RE: 20 January NJC ["Deb Messling" ] Joni equipment for sale [MP123A321@aol.com] Chile today, Hot Tamale (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Bob's quote from a musical (njc) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: I feel like Tina tonight NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: 20 January NJC (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Joni equipment for sale [Mark Domyancich ] clark said... [Yael Harlap ] Re: I feel like Tina tonight NJC [catman ] Re: I feel like Tina tonight NJC [Jerry Notaro ] music on a commercial (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: NJC From Janis Joplin list/election, NJC, NJC [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] Re: NJC From Janis Joplin list/election ["Lori R. Fye" ] STOP YELLING! (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Sonicnet plays Joni's "Comes Love" ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Sonicnet plays Joni's "Comes Love" [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Bob's quote from a musical (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Draft of Bush Innaugural Address (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Joni to be featured on "American Masters" [Murphycopy@aol.com] Blueberries w/ Bears...NJC ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] irregardless/regardless NJC [catman ] Joni to be featured on PBS's "American Masters" [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni to be featured on "American Masters" [Randy Remote ] Re: irregardless/regardless NJC [RAVEN@igc.org] mea culpa/magpie/penny ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: "River" covers (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] [none] ["Dave and Beth Fairall" ] Re: John Galt, Ayn Rand, etc., NJC [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: John Galt, Ayn Rand, etc., NJC [MGVal@aol.com] TNT special ["Stephen Epstein" ] Ayn Rand NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: John Galt, Ayn Rand, etc., NJC ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Re: Joni to be featured on "American Masters" ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:29:55 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: TLTISR, Tin Angel and BSN Hi y'all! I had an interesting JC encounter this past weekend I'd thought I'd share with you guys. If you've followed a couple of my other posts, maybe you'll remember my mentioning a guy I know who played in a Detroit club called The Poison Apple in the mid-sixties with a group named the Spikedrivers. At this club, the Spikedrivers would take turns playing before or after Chuck and Joni, either singularly or as a duet. Saturday I had to go over to Sid's (of the Spikedrivers) to pick up my daughter after she spent the night with her best friend, Sid's daughter. When I got there, Sid introduced me to Richard, another member of his old band, who was visiting Sid on his way through town. Sid relayed to Richard I was a big fan of Joni's and conversely to me that Richard had known Joni better and for longer than he had. They started relaying stories, much akin to what Pat Henry has shared with us, about how Joni would strike up friendships and hangout to eat, drink, play guitar, learn, share and whatever with people at these little Detroit clubs. (Pat, just for a sake of a timeline, the Spikedrivers played the same gigs as Joni before you knew her. Sid knew Joni only after she had married Chuck but before she was doing any open tunings, while Richard had first met Joni while she was still Joni Anderson. Now Sid knew Chuck before either he (Sid) or Chuck had met Joni. Sid said he gave Chuck some guitar lessons when he (Sid) was about 16 - Sid and Joni are the same age. Sid recalls the Cellar, but Richard doesn't. He had spintered off the Spikedrivers and headed to Greenwich Village before the Cellar got going again, so he didn't remember that club. Phew - follow that.) Pat, just like you've conveyed, neither of these guys knew about Joni having a child. Neither Richard or Sid found out about the baby until Joni revealed it publically, but I saw the light go on when I explained why she had married Chuck, because neither ever thought Chuck was worthy of Joni, not at the time or since - every time his name came up, one or both would pop in with a "Chuck's was and is a putz" type comment. So hearing about Joni's effort to keep her child, shed a lot of light on her marriage to him, all these years after the fact. After only catching a slight word in the press about the child, Richard had initially thought Kilauren was in her teens now - he had no idea the child was from the same time period when he had known Joni. Richard said, "obviously, it was something Joni kept very close to the vest." This paragraph is away from the main thrust of my post, but I figured I'd address it now rather than answer an obvious question many might have. I did ask Richard if it were possible if he were *the* Richard? He didn't know, but said it was possible. He said everything fits except his wife was a graphic artist, not a figure skater. But then giving a disclaimer, "but I'm sure Joni knew a lot of Richards." This is another short paragraph away from my main thrust for the post, but a neccesary piece to convey as a way of set-up. OK, so the main thing that intrigues me are possible links between, TLTISR, BSN and Tin Angel. Richard told me after he moved to NYC, he and Joni used to get together all the time to talk, have drinks and just hang out at a club on Bleeker Street in Greenwich Village named The Tin Angel. And it was at one of these little get togethers with Richard at the Tin Angel that Joni pulled out of her ever-present notebook a new song she had just written she was really excited about. She handed the song to Richard and he encouraged her that he also thought this "clouds" song was pretty darn good. ;-) This is where I'm wondering if maybe there's a link. Is the "dark cafe days" and "dark with darker moods", the setting of both TLTISR and Tin Angel, relaying the same friendship and atmoshere, just written with a different focus? And could Joni's lyrical reference in Tin Angel "to talk of castles in the sky" be a way of conveying BSN had been one of their topics covered? Hmmmm Sid had a BSN story too. Sid was spending fair amounts of time in NYC because their manager lived there and Atlantic records was courting the Spikedrivers to sign a record deal at the time. It was about this same time that Joni got ahold of Sid and suggested they put it on their record because Joni told Sid: "Mary Carol's voice would be perfect for this." Mary Carol was Sid's wife and the female singer in the band. Anyway, Sid kinda blew off Joni and told her they woud think about it and get back to her. Never did. Sid had a *can you believe my stupidity* look on his face when sharing that - but I'm glad he was laughing about his folly when he relayed that tidbit! ;-) Oh, one thing I told those two that they were both quite pleased about. (Both casually followed Joni's career, but not close enough to pick up on as many details as we all know. Each are more into concentrating their own thang than anyone elses.) I let them know that Chuck had been the one to insist both he and Joni had seperate companies for their publishing rights. Oh, they got a huge kick out of that! Sid, just said "Karma, man. Cuz you know he didn't do it to protect Joni - He did it out of his own arrogant greed. Karma gets you every time." ;-D Night all, Penny Note to self - get Darrell's e-mail addy to Richard since he's heading for Vanc BC next. Who knows, maybe Joni is visiting the cabin and would like to pop in to the Empire hotel for drinks with Richard like the old days. ;-) BTW, Richard said he tried to catch up with Joni backstage at her 98 Toronto show, but she had already left to spend some time with Kilauren before his note got back to her. ;-( Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:22:00 +0100 From: "Robin Mathews" Subject: A Case of you NJC Well done Martha ! Hang in there Colin, then all you have to do is sleep by Martha's welping box for the next 3-4 weeks so you can help out if the puppies need you in the middle of the night. Oh happy days (and nights) !! Robbie Colin wrote:- "From: catman Subject: A Case Of You I have been up ALL night birthing Martha who has so far had 2 boys and 1 girl. This has been a really long labour." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:09:01 +0100 From: "Robin Mathews" Subject: I feel like Tina tonight NJC Tina's concerts are a fantastic night out, much better live though if you can get to one. Being in Spain made it too difficult for me to get to she her on her latest tour, although I did get to her two previous one's - "Wildest Dreams" in '96 and "Foreign Affair" in '93(?) I remember the talk at the time was that the WD tour would be her last big tour. How does she do it - giving out all that Energy on stage. Robbie > >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:50:36 EST >From: Murphycopy@aol.com >Subject: I feel like tina tonight (NJC) > >My local CBS affiliate is airing "Tina Turner: One Last Time" from Wembley >Stadium tonight at 10 o'clock Eastern time. God love her, this trooper has >been on the road with her concert tour since last spring. I was lucky enough >to be in the seventh row at one of her Boston appearances in early June (one >week after Joni's Boston concert) and she was spectacular. I've also seen her >with Ike in '69 and during her "Private Dancer" tour in '82 or '83. In my >experience, a Tina concert is not to be missed. Check your local listings and >pray that CBS doesn't screw it up. > >Take care, > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:05:58 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Absolutely Fabulous Alison wrote: > well, i had to go and rent this immediately because i > have seen many Absolutely Fabulous episodes but didn't > remember this Joni reference. for those of you who > didn't catch this before, one woman (eddy) is making a > speech to her daughter about how abandoned she feels > and she says the phrase "in the squinting sun". then > her friend (patsy) walks in and says "and the hissing > of summer lawns". the audience laughs, but i am not > sure why. do they get that it's a joni mitchell > reference? it was funny to me, but i can't imagine the > average american audience laughing at the line. > colin, or other brits, you'll have to clear this up > for me. I must have watched this episode at least 15-20 times (Ab Fab is one of my all-time favourite shows) but I still had to go back and check this reference for myself! Amazing the stuff the brain decides to keep and not keep! And I think the audience is reacting more to Patsy and her normal sarcasm toward Saffy, rather than actually picking up on the Joni reference. Sad, really! > p.s. this is an incredibly funny show. if you haven't > seen it before, now you have an excuse to rent some > episodes at your local video store. Definitely - one of the funniest shows ever! Two women doing every politically incorrect thing that it's possible for two women to do! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:25:10 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: 20 January NJC The ONLY one with moral weight???? No way; the call to count those ballots that did not record a presidential vote also has a truckload of moral weight. > Kakki's call for thorough reconsideration of our voting procedures is the > right one, and the only one with any moral weight. > Deb Messling - ------------------------------------ "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:22:36 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Joni equipment for sale Notice ...all you guitar players..there is some Joni owned equipment for sale on Ebay...."You can own two JC-120s from the Joni Mitchell Collection" I have no connection to this item nor do I know seller...just a interesting item, I thought. see it at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=518645470 FYI, Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:30:22 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Chile today, Hot Tamale (njc) << and pray tell why to chile and not to ARGENTINA?!?!?!?! >> I've returned to Fluor Daniel, and the project they have me working on is in Chile. So come on down! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:15:03 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob's quote from a musical (njc) The Rev asked: << But *what* song from Camelot? "Take me to the Fair" is as close as I can figure as a knights doing battle song, but I don't recall those lyrics. Please advise! >> And the resident Broadway afficinado once again answers: (Hey! Maybe this can be a new career for me!) The song is called Fie on Goodness. It is sung in the 2nd Act by Mordred, who is determined to wreck the peace and harmony of King Arthur's reign: Fie on Goodness The Knights, restive after years of peace under the Round Table, long for a bit of mayhem, after Mordred has stirred them up: Fie on goodness, fie! Fie on goodness, fie! Eight years of kindness to your neighbor . . . Making sure that the meek are treated well. Eight years of philanthropic labor! Derry down dell! Gad, but it's hell! Oh, fie on goodness, fie! Fie, fie, fie . . . It's been depressing all the way, Derry down, derry down, And getting glummer ev'ry day, Derry down, derry down. Ah but to burn a little town, Or slay a dozen men . . . Anything to laugh again . . . Oh, fie on goodness, fie! Fie, fie, fie, fie, fie! When I think of the rollicking pleasures That earlier filled my life . . . Lolly lo, lolly lo. Like the time I beheaded a man Who was beating his naked wife, Lolly lo, lolly lo. I can still hear his widow say Never moving from where she lay . . . "Tell me, what can I do, I beg, Sir, of you . . . Your kindness to repay?" Fie on goodness, fie! Fie on goodness, fie! Lechery and vice have been arrested (arrested!) . . . Not a maiden is ever more in threat. Virgins may wander unmolested (unmolested!) Lolly to, let! Gad, it's a sweat! Oh, fie on goodness, fie! Fie, fie, fie, fie. fie! How we roared and brawled in Scotland (yea!) Not a law was e'er obeyed (yea!) And when wooin' called in Scotland, (yea!) We'd grab any passing maid. Ah, my heart is still in Scotland Where the lassies woo'd the best . . . On some bonnie hill in Scotland, Stroking someone's bonnie . . . (breast). Fie on Scotland, fie! Fie on Scotland, fie! No one repents for any sin now. Ev'ry soul is immaculate and trim (immaculate!). No one is covered with chagrin now, Nonny no nim, Gad, but it's grim. Oh, fie on goodness, fie! Fie, fie, fie! There's not a folly to deplore, Derry down, derry down. Confession Sunday is a bore, Derry down, derry down. Ah, but to spend a tortured ev'ning Staring at the floor . . . Guilty and alive once more. Oh, fie on virtue, fie! Fie on mercy, fie! Fie on justice, fie on goodness, Fie, fie, fie, fie, fie! Hugs, Ashara {who "cur her teeth" on Broadway} ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:24:53 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: I feel like Tina tonight NJC In a message dated 12/5/00 4:37:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, dbainlab@ctv.es writes: << How does she do it - giving out all that Energy on stage. >> She just keeps on rolling.... read this: She's the female equivalent of Dick Clark, a star who never ages. At 61 the dynamic Tina Turner just keeps belting out songs and gyrating on stage like a twenty-year-old. Maybe the secret to perpetual youth is her thirty years of high energy, aerobic-style performing. Her act is not only entertaining for us -- it's a great workout for her. - -Rose in NJ PS: She's a Sagittarius Sun, Leo Ascendant. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:07:24 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: 20 January NJC (md) In a message dated 12/4/2000 7:18:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << I do think the election was clearly stolen >> Maybe you will enlighten us all on exactly how the election was stolen by the Republicans. Wild unfounded assertions seem to be all thats left to Gore supporters. The only people who will buy them are those who cant follow the big black arrow one half inch to the right to the teeny weeny hole. As per counting ALL the votes, please explain why Gore didnt file for recounts in every county when he clearly had the opportunity to do so and why they had droves of lawyers produce a ten page memorandum instructing how to invalidate the military ballots. Im curious but go ahead and take a shot Rev. (sound of whistling and tapping foot) marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:15:30 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni equipment for sale Roland still makes these amps, although I have never seen one in a music store before. These are the same amps she used during the Shadows and Light and WTRF tours. I don't know how good they would sound after about 17 years in storage. They would be nice items to have, but I would buy a brand new one. NP-New Bohemians, 11/27/94-Uh Oh At 6:22 AM -0500 12/5/00, MP123A321@aol.com wrote: >Notice ...all you guitar players..there is some Joni owned equipment for sale >on Ebay...."You can own two JC-120s from the Joni Mitchell Collection" > >I have no connection to this item nor do I know seller...just a interesting >item, I thought. >see it at: >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=518645470 > >FYI, >Maurice - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:02:26 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: clark said... Popping out of the woodwork for a moment... Clark wrote: >I know there are fans of Ayn Rand on this >list, but I strongly feel she is an author whose novels are suitable only to >adolescence and its accompanying stage of total self-indulgence. I don't disagree with your opinion of Ayn Rand but I do take issue (as I always do!) with the maligning of young people! Young people - who have little social/economic and political power - are easily scapegoated and are often blamed for numerous societal problems, such as drug abuse, crime and their own poverty. Well, the facts show otherwise! Pick up "Framing Youth" by Mike Males if you want evidence*. So re: Clark's statement, adolescents are not in a stage of "total self-indulgence" - some are and some aren't, just like adults. Ayn Rand's work can be effectively critiqued without demeaning youth! Not intended to be aggressive... just speaking out to fight oppression... :-) - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:03:19 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: I feel like Tina tonight NJC > Maybe the secret to perpetual youth is her thirty years of > high energy, aerobic-style performing. Her act is not only entertaining for > us -- it's a great workout for her. I think it is also the meditation she does and that she is at peace with herself and her world. > > > -Rose in NJ > PS: She's a Sagittarius Sun, Leo Ascendant. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:13:08 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: I feel like Tina tonight NJC catman wrote: > > Maybe the secret to perpetual youth is her thirty years of > > high energy, aerobic-style performing. Her act is not only entertaining for > > us -- it's a great workout for her. > > I think it is also the meditation she does and that she is at peace with herself and her > world. Her 20 years younger than her boyfriend may also have a contributing factor. Wicked Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:33:16 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: I feel like Tina tonight NJC In a message dated 12/5/00 9:16:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << I think it is also the meditation she does and that she is at peace with herself and her world. >> That too Catman. The astrological analysis I read on her also mentioned this: She will also attend a number of Buddhist retreats this year, continuing her 25-year-study of this religion. Tina will incorporate even more spiritual and physical self-disciplines into her daily routine, and this will have a very positive effect on her health. Tina has cohabited with Erwin Bach, a German recording executive since 1986 and this positive relationship will continue to thrive. If you'd like to read the whole portrayal, you can find it here. http://www.astronet.com/features&fun/Entertainment/stars_on_stars_articles/ttu rner.htm They have a lot of stars on Stars at this site, no Joni though:~( Damn, I'll have to write them. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:37:39 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: John Galt, Ayn Rand, etc., NJC Hi Carol and all, I'm sure John Galt Jr. is a send-up of Ayn Rand's elusive character in Atlas Shrugged. Carol, the web page for the toilet seat control is hilarious, yet very sad in a way, to know that society has become so depravedly unappreciative that we consider ourselves above having to "touch" a toilet seat. I can't believe something like that is for sale, but it is so appropriately named -- the entire message of Atlas Shrugged centers around such ludicrous wastes of human energy. Any other Ayn Rand fans out there? I think "We the Living" is one of the greatest books ever written. And, Joni Mitchell's philosophy of life seems to be very close to Ayn Rand's philosophy. (And, I'm sure neither lady would be so petty as to make a big deal out of a toilet seat.) Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:56:52 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: music on a commercial (njc) I was watching tv lat night. An Audi commercial came on. There's some haunting music in the background - a woman vocalist. It sounded a bit like Barbara Higbie to me, but I'm not sure if that's who it is. Does anyone know what this music is? Thanks. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:41:21 EST From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC From Janis Joplin list/election, NJC, NJC Jim wrote: Do you think that the annoymous poster on the Joplin List is saying that 15 coincidences prove vote fraud? I doubt the person on the Janis list put any thought behind it whatsoever. I'm also on that list, and I find it interesting, but not surprising, that not one person on the Janis list even responded to this, while here there have been numerous posts. Most of the people on that list are very young. - Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:43:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: NJC From Janis Joplin list/election "J. Galt, Jr." responded to Les: > Better, yet, call Oliver Stone (I'm sure he's on > your speed dial). I think you'll need him (and > Larry Flynt) to justify this insanity. Damn, Galt! Dissing the list owner! You must have some giant huevos! Amazed, Lori in DC Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:58:31 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: STOP YELLING! (NJC) Brian wrote: >AND SHARED THE BLUEBERRIES WITH THE BEARS. THIR WAS ONE FOLK CLUB IN >PETERBORUGH I WOULD DRIVE THRU 12" OF SNOW TO HEAR FORGOTTEN FOLKIES PLAY >THEIR 12 STRINGS AND FIDDLES. Hey, Brian STOP YELLING! (All caps is considered yelling on the net.) A friendly hint... - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:10:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Sonicnet plays Joni's "Comes Love" Taking the time to set up Sonicnet must be one of the best things I've ever done. NP: Comes Love Happily, ===== Lori in DC http://radio.sonicnet.com/mymusiclisten.asp?name=lrfye http://www.art101.com/flame/taxfree.htm Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 11:44:05 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Sonicnet plays Joni's "Comes Love" "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > Taking the time to set up Sonicnet must be one of the > best things I've ever done. Or, you can click on Deb Messling's link. Being the fab librarian she is she has already done all the work for us. Jerrry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:51:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: W's foot (was THANKS FOR THE PACKAGE) - NJC Dave F. wondered: > Does anyone think the fact that W has been strangely > mute, and nearly in seclusion lately seems at all > curious? What's up with that? His handlers are > careful not to let him shoot himself in the foot > with some ill-advised posturing or snide remark(s) > before his coronation is complete. Would that be W's silver foot that his handlers are careful not to let W shoot -- or put in his mouth? ; ) In my mind I keep seeing the Saturday Night Live parody where "W" says something like, "I just want my daddy to tell me when I get to be president!" So much has been written about W trying to be his own man, yet he ended up following in daddy's (silver) footsteps afterall. Forever a supporter of Ann Richards, Lori (formerly of Texas) in DC Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 00:22:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - December 5 1980: The LA Times writes a review of the film "Nine Lives" which Joni participated in. They say "Levinson had thought of going from country to country for other views on love. Nancy Dowd was recruited. He approached Joni Mitchell, a Canadian, to write the music for the film. She decided instead to write one of the screenplays - and star in it as well." http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/801205lat.cfm 1997: ZDNet publishes a reunion story, based on the assistance Wally gave Joni. "When friends who had read the tabloid stories suggested she might be Mitchell's daughter, Gibb turned to the Internet and discovered Breese's labor of love, the Joni Mitchell Home Page, with its wealth of biographical facts: She found 15 matches" Read the rest: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/971205zdnn.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:31:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Bob's quote from a musical (njc) - --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: the resident Broadway afficinado once again > answers: (Hey! Maybe this can > be a new career for me!) > > The song is called Fie on Goodness. It is sung in > the 2nd Act by Mordred, who > is determined to wreck the peace and harmony of King > Arthur's reign: Excellent, Ashara! I was thinking of that song not too long ago and trying to find the lyrics somewhere - my internet search was unsuccessful - thank goodness for you! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Sonicnet plays Joni's "Comes Love" > Or, you can click on Deb Messling's link. Being the > fab librarian she is she has already done all the > work for us. Where/what is Deb's link? Thanks, Jerry! (And Deb!) Lori in DC Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:27:38 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Draft of Bush Innaugural Address (NJC) "My fellow Americans. It is with deepest hostility that I abject the office of President. Our nation has been rented in this election, more approximately perhaps, than at any other time in the history of our theocracy. It is time to conjeal the wounds of politics, and work to create a more monotonous coalition. I want to thank everyone who cast their vote, irregardless of whether you voted for me or my anniversary. But I dispose to you today, that we can let compassion drive the barometer of our ship of state. Let the fractions within our nation be evidence of our disparity, not an inclination of our differences. I will work to bring this important goal to frustration, working both sides of the aisle, to forrage a more reclusive style of governing. Toward that end, I offer you the words of a great president, Edward Kennedy: Ask what your country has not done for you. Ask what you can not do for your country. Thank you, and God bless America." Laugh now ... get used to it later. Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:50:04 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Joni to be featured on "American Masters" Joni was mentioned today in a story on PBS's "American Masters" series. The article is at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001204/en/ap_on_tv_american_masters_1.html Here's what they had to say about Joni: In any given season, the program tries to achieve a balance among various disciplines and to offer ethnic and gender diversity, although (Lucille) Ball, as it turns out, is the only woman to be featured this season. ``The female equivalents of Frank Lloyd Wright and F. Scott Fitzgerald are hard to come by,'' said Lacy. ``I think that's the truth. I think that's going to change.'' Films are in development for Toni Morrison, Diana Vreeland, Clare Boothe Luce, Judith Jamison and other women, while a profile of Joni Mitchell already is under way. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:52:28 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Blueberries w/ Bears...NJC Brian yelled ">AND SHARED THE BLUEBERRIES WITH THE BEARS. THIR WAS ONE FOLK CLUB IN >PETERBORUGH I WOULD DRIVE THRU 12" OF SNOW TO HEAR FORGOTTEN FOLKIES PLAY >THEIR 12 STRINGS AND FIDDLES." The Folkway? What a wonderful place! I went to Franklin Pierce in the late '80s, and they renovated the club, then reopened it and my friend Sarah waited tables and bartended there. Ever hear of Lui Collins? -Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 21:12:29 +0000 From: catman Subject: irregardless/regardless NJC irregardless I first noticed this word a little while ago and assumed that it had been a mistake. I have now seen it sevral times in print from Americans and heard an American say the word on a news program. Are they all making a mistake or is that how you say 'regardless'? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:23:03 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Joni to be featured on PBS's "American Masters" I don't know if it's just me or what, but I've been having trouble getting mail from and to the list today. This is my second attempt to post the following: Joni was mentioned today in a story on PBS's "American Masters" series. The article is at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001204/en/ap_on_tv_american_masters_1.html Here's what they had to say about Joni: In any given season, the program tries to achieve a balance among various disciplines and to offer ethnic and gender diversity, although (Lucille) Ball, as it turns out, is the only woman to be featured this season. ``The female equivalents of Frank Lloyd Wright and F. Scott Fitzgerald are hard to come by,'' said Lacy. ``I think that's the truth. I think that's going to change.'' Films are in development for Toni Morrison, Diana Vreeland, Clare Boothe Luce, Judith Jamison and other women, while a profile of Joni Mitchell already is under way. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:49:14 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni to be featured on "American Masters" That is so cool-this is the first big-time biography type program about JM isn't it? Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Joni was mentioned today in a story on PBS's "American Masters" series. The > article is at > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001204/en/ap_on_tv_american_masters_1.html > > Here's what they had to say about Joni: > > In any given season, the program tries to achieve a balance among various > disciplines and to offer ethnic and gender diversity, although (Lucille) > Ball, as it turns out, is the only woman to be featured this season. > > ``The female equivalents of Frank Lloyd Wright and F. Scott Fitzgerald are > hard to come by,'' said Lacy. ``I think that's the truth. I think that's > going to change.'' Films are in development for Toni Morrison, Diana > Vreeland, Clare Boothe Luce, Judith Jamison and other women, while a profile > of Joni Mitchell already is under way. > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:00:29 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: "River" covers (NJC) Thanks to Jimmy, Hell and Bob for the lists of covers! Best, - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 15:16:52 -0800 From: RAVEN@igc.org Subject: Re: irregardless/regardless NJC At 13:12 12/05/2000, colin wrote: >irregardless > >I first noticed this word a little while ago and assumed that >it had been a mistake. I have now seen it sevral times in print >from Americans and heard an American say the word on a news program. I would be surprised to see the word in the New York Times, but not in casual writing (email), nor am I any longer surprised when I hear some news reader speak poorly (and some networks are worse than others). >Are they all making a mistake or is that how you say 'regardless'? Mistake? All my teachers would say so. :) It's not how I say "regardless", but I hear it with increasing frequency in casual conversation. All languages change with time, what is "incorrect" usage now may later become "accepted" usage. However, all my dictionaries state "irregardless" is substandard, an unnecessary redundancy. John in San Jose - -- RAVEN ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:24:16 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: mea culpa/magpie/penny I ask all of the wonderful people the JMDL to forgive my shouting. It will not happen again. Sorry magpie i migrated to Oregon in 84, but the Folkway was a wonderful place to take special friends. Penny ? what a great early Joni story with Chuck and Richard in it I remember Chuck Mitchell playing around Detroit until i left in 75. The ladies in the audience really liked him. I will listen to these songs again with a better understanding. Bye - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:35:06 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: "River" covers (NJC) In a message dated 12/5/00 6:12:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << Thanks to Jimmy, Hell and Bob for the lists of covers! >> Like I told you Steve, it's no fair! Hell beat me to the punch by 2 little seconds and she's got a 14 hour jump on me :~) have a great day everyone Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:39:15 -0600 From: "Dave and Beth Fairall" Subject: [none] There's moral indignation on both sides, but I'm just lost on why didn't Bush even extend the courtesy to meet w/ Gore, and what specifically is so scary about hand counting ALL the votes in Fla? That would put it to rest once and for all...might {probably}, change the outcome, but we'll never know. Excellent posts Rev and Mary. Thanks, Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:47:06 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: John Galt, Ayn Rand, etc., NJC In a message dated 12/5/00 9:50:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << And, Joni Mitchell's philosophy of life seems to be very close to Ayn Rand's philosophy. Regards, >> I very much hope this is sarcasm. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:47:24 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: John Galt, Ayn Rand, etc., NJC In a message dated 12/05/2000 6:50:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << Any other Ayn Rand fans out there? I think "We the Living" is one of the greatest books ever written. >> I'm an Ayn Rand fan, (gosh try saying THAT 10 time fast), although I think that she loses a lot of compassion within the tenets of her brand of Objectivism. "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead" have been on my reading list since I was a teenager. Her characters can be a tad wordy as well. (:-D MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:52:40 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: TNT special Thanks to Jim L'Hommedieu, I now have a copy of the TNT Joni tribute. This wasn't broadcast in Canada, so it was a treat to watch it last nite. Sincerest thanks, Jim! I'm sure it has been discussed on list often, but think my favourites were kd laing and Dianna Krall- funny that they are both Cdns! kd- what a voice, and I think this is the most unusual I have heard Ms. Krall. Had a little cry when James Taylor sang River! Shawn Colvin, also a standout. Question- who was sitting in the box w/Joni? I could only recognise D. Krall, and I assumed Don Freed was on Joni's right. Thanks for the info Stephen in Vancouver NP Brad Mehldau- Places ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:46:58 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Ayn Rand NJC i had my ayn rand phase, but i found that the characters sometimes spoke as if they were in a play. i couldn't help but hear ayn rand's voice indoctrinating the reader all the frigging time. i liked the fountainhead and also the movie with gary cooper. although i always come back to my favorite writers [to the point that i seem to be reading always the same books...and i am!] i don't know that i would read rand again. ''selfishness is a virtue; altruism, a vice'' ayn rand. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Louis Lynch Enviado el: Martes, 05 de Diciembre de 2000 11:38 a.m. Para: 'joni@smoe.org' Asunto: John Galt, Ayn Rand, etc., NJC Any other Ayn Rand fans out there? I think "We the Living" is one of the greatest books ever written. Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:10:36 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: John Galt, Ayn Rand, etc., NJC Louis Lynch wrote; > And, Joni Mitchell's philosophy of life seems to be very close to Ayn Rand's > philosophy. Relayer wrote; > I very much hope this is sarcasm. It's really not that much of a stretch, you only have to change a word or two, here and there. Consider "River": But it don't snow here And that can be a bore I'm gonna make alot of money Then I'm gonna make some more Or Coyote; No regrets Warren Buffet Or "For Free": Across the street he stood And he played his wood* Just like Kenny G-ee-ee-ee *That's wood as in "woodwind"...... Get your mind out of the gutter! Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:53:59 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Ayn Rand NJC In a message dated 12/05/2000 5:56:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << 'selfishness is a virtue; altruism, a vice'' ayn rand. >> Exactly what I mean when I said that she loses her compassion within her Objectivism stuff. MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 22:21:39 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Bob's quote from a musical (njc) Asahra, Anne, and Catherine have all enlightened me on "Fie on Goodness" from Camelot. Many thanks! So the situation seems that this song was in the Broadway play but not the movie, because I know the movie cast album by heart, and as I was taken by the David Hemmings portrayal of Mordred, I certainly would have remembered that song IF it were in the movie. Vanessa Redgrave was stunning in that movie too. I have never seen the play so I thank everyone for the enlightenment! Maybe I should get the Broadway cast album after all! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:10:20 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Ayn Rand NJC In a message dated 12/5/00 8:56:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << i had my ayn rand phase, but i found that the characters sometimes spoke as if they were in a play. i couldn't help but hear ayn rand's voice indoctrinating the reader all the frigging time. i liked the fountainhead and also the movie with gary cooper. although i always come back to my favorite writers [to the point that i seem to be reading always the same books...and i am!] i don't know that i would read rand again. ''selfishness is a virtue; altruism, a vice'' ayn rand. wallyK >> I remember first seeing Rand's distinctive book covers on the shelves of book stores and thinking "interesting,I should check these books out someday." I read "The Fountainhead" and I enjoyed it-in a way.I have also read a few of her non fiction works as well.However,for the most part,I find the ideas very upsetting.This world needs all the love and compassion that is possible.I find the lack of compassion in the books and "objectivism" very disturbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:12:34 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: John Galt, Ayn Rand, etc.,NJC > << > And, Joni Mitchell's philosophy of life seems to be very close to Ayn Rand's > philosophy. > > Regards, >> > > > I very much hope this is sarcasm. > I don't see it as being totally wrong to compare Joni's *artistic* philosophy to that of Ayn Rand. I'm thinking more of 'The Fountainhead' in this regard than of 'Atlas Shrugged'. The protagonist of 'The Fountainhead is a brilliant architect who absolutely refuses to compromise his work - to garner critical or popular acclaim or for any other reason. Rand's contention is that great art can only be created from the artist's purely selfish desire to fulfill his or her own unique vision. I don't think that's much different from Joni's refusal to pander to critical or popular taste. I don't, however, believe that Joni would agree with Rand's views on wealth & 'the virtue of selfishness' (although Joni may like Rand's view of cigarettes as 'fire tamed at you fingertips'.) There are some good things that came out of reading her novels back when I was in high school (and I have reread 'The Fountainhead' since then) but like anything else, I find it's best to sift out what doesn't ring true and keep what seems right. The older I get the less I am inclined to swallow any given line of thought whole. In that light I would just like to say to Kakki that, although I do not necessarily agree with everything you have said in the recent discussions of the election, I *always* respect the fact that you try to take an objective stance and see things from all possible angles. I appreciate your clear-headedness and lack of vitriol. I have to admit my own bias as far as the candidates are concerned & that I did not consider that some of the less than flattering remarks about Bush might be offensive to some. And that may have been wrong considering there are people here that voted for him. However, I definitely did & do find it offensive when someone aims insults directly at someone else's *opinion* just because it doesn't happen to agree with theirs. Calling other list members stupid or ignorant just because they don't happen to agree with you is arrogant & inflammatory. And I know there have probably been times when I have been guilty of this myself. But I certainly hope I have never been as nasty or arrogant as some of what I have seen posted in the election thread. Kakki, I'm certainly not talking about you here. I hope we are still buds. I certainly have the greatest respect & affection for you. Enough. I'll go away now. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:18:42 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni to be featured on "American Masters" > ``The female equivalents of Frank Lloyd Wright and F. Scott Fitzgerald are > hard to come by,'' said Lacy. ``I think that's the truth. I think that's > going to change.'' Films are in development for Toni Morrison, Diana > Vreeland, Clare Boothe Luce, Judith Jamison and other women, while a profile > of Joni Mitchell already is under way. > > --Bob As Catgirl would say WOOOOO-HOOOOO!!!!! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:26:12 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: When morons post Joni items on Ebay.... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=511134621 I was searching for Joni stuff on Ebay and this gave me quite a laugh! eric NP: Brad Mehldau - Paranoid Android - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:35:23 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Bob's quote from a musical (njc) > Asahra, Anne, and Catherine have all enlightened me on "Fie on Goodness" > from Camelot. Many thanks! > > So the situation seems that this song was in the Broadway play but not > the movie, because I know the movie cast album by heart, and as I was > taken by the David Hemmings portrayal of Mordred, I certainly would have > remembered that song IF it were in the movie. I think Mordred had two songs in the play, neither of which made it into the film. Wasn't there one about the Seven Deadly Virtues or some such thing? > > Vanessa Redgrave was stunning in that movie too. Yes she was. But I think it was Richard Harris that stole my heart. His energy & boyish enthusiasm as Arthur really got me. I still bawl at the end of that movie. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 22:52:40 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC pro-count the votes political content This was received by me today from a good friend and for those who are interested, I share this. I labeled this post very clearly so that those who are tired of the politics could delete it, as well as those who don't agree with the viewpoint expressed here, in a maximum attempt to minimise any offense. (the Rev) Vince Patty Holly wrote: > Patty Holly is very concerned about what's happening in Florida, and thinks you are too. > > If you think that every vote should count and that the American people, not the Florida State Legislature, should choose our next president, then go to: > > http://www.CountOurVotes.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:26:14 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC pro-count the votes political content (md) In a message dated 12/5/00 7:48:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << > If you think that every vote should count and that the American people, not the Florida State Legislature, should choose our next president, then go to: > >> Yo Vince, dont you think its a little hypocritical that at the very same time that Lyin' Als lawyers are fighting tooth and nail to throw out 23,000 votes on technicalities that you should make this statement. This is like Bill Clinton giving a speech about how chastity pays dividends in life. This is getting weirder by the minute. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:47:55 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Sisotowbell Lane ? NPC Thats no political content my Ms Mitchell question of the night is 1.Where is Sisotowbell lane a search on expedia found one down in the Florida panhandle not to far from a street named after a Beatle song. I know JM met David Crosby down there at the Coconut Grove?. 2. Back in Detroit and the song "I HAD A KING" refers to the salt rusted carriages, my father had a 57 de soto that rusted out by 1960, bad enough for my grand ma to fall thru the floor board cruisen down Grand River Avenue. 3. A black crow flew over me today in the quiet forest so close and i heard its wings beating good night ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #640 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?