From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #639 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 639 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: NJC from Janis Joplin list/election ["Pitassi, Mary" ] Re: NJC from Janis Joplin list/election [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: List of "River" covers [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: NJC How Gore Could Win [catman ] RE: NJC from Janis Joplin list/election ["Pitassi, Mary" ] I feel like tina tonight (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] John Galt [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: Bob's quote from a musical (njc) [Vince Lavieri ] RLJ on the radio Tuesday (njc) [Brian Gross ] sorry - [CarltonCT@aol.com] RE: RLJ on the radio Tuesday (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: RLJ on the radio Tuesday (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: For The Roses Trivia ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: HDCD Re-issues? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: RLJ on the radio Tuesday (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Who is J Galt? NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: HDCD Re-issues? [Randy Remote ] RE: HDCD Re-issues? ["Wally Kairuz" ] further downey stream / FOR THE ROSES ["BRIAN SYMES" Subject: RE: NJC from Janis Joplin list/election Kakki wrote: "As for question no. 4, I don't see why it qualifies as suspicious - Bush did win - 3 times now." Yes, Bush "won": by a statistically insignificant margin of 537 out of 6 million, utilizing the votes that were counted, in the condition in which they were delivered, under the circumstances in which they were cast (e.g. West Palm Beach and those counties utilizing archaic voting machines), in the deplorable morass that the nation has come to recognize as Florida voting. That's the problem. After listening and reading account after account for four weeks, I personally believe that, if the vote of every voter who intended to vote for Gore and walked out of the voting booth firmly believing that he or she had done so had been actually counted as such, we'd be hearing news reports today of the cabinet plans of President-elect Gore. The problem is, not only can my assertion not be proven with any reliability to speak of, but counting many of these votes as they actually exist is problematic in the extreme. Even I, a staunch partisan, see the difficulties inherent in every single attempt to try determine what many of us see as the real result: multiple recounts involving handling and rehandling of cast ballots; attempting to divine voter intent weeks after the fact by holding dimpled chads up to the light; the Pandora's box of calling a new election in West Palm Beach in the highly unlikely event that any judge would ever order it, etc., etc., etc.. And so I fear that we are left with the very imperfect results of the 2000 election, such as it was. I believe, especially after the U.S. Supreme Court's decision today and Judge Saul's decision on the and law *and facts* a short while ago, that a George W. Bush presidency is inevitable. And after a month and a spirited challenge from the Democrats, we should probably get on with letting it happen. But, like an athlete who won a coveted tournament under highly unusual or suspicious conditions, he will always have an asterisk by his name in my book. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:18:12 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: List of "River" covers Someone on the folk dj list posted: >14. Linda Ronstadt: River (I DO NOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS >THE FIRST RECORDING OTHER THAN MITCHELL'S OF THIS WONDERFUL SONG -- AT LEAST >THAT I KNOW OF) (A Merry Little Christmas), Elektra 62572 Anyone (Bob?) got a list I could mail back? - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:29:00 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC from Janis Joplin list/election In a message dated 12/4/00 6:31:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, PitassiM@WEAC.org writes: << Yes, Bush "won": by a statistically insignificant margin of 537 out of 6 million, utilizing the votes that were counted, in the condition in which they were delivered, under the circumstances in which they were cast (e.g. West Palm Beach and those counties utilizing archaic voting machines), in the deplorable morass that the nation has come to recognize as Florida voting. That's the problem. After listening and reading account after account for four weeks, I personally believe that, if the vote of every voter who intended to vote for Gore and walked out of the voting booth firmly believing that he or she had done so had been actually counted as such, we'd be hearing news reports today of the cabinet plans of President-elect Gore. >> mary, i understand why you believe this way. i have a different belief. i live about 2 hours drive from jacksonville fl. i understand that they had 22,000 votes which were undefined and therefore disqualified. but the gore campagn did not pursue a recount in that county. because jaconsville remains a republican territory. and i am wondering about tampa and pensicola as well. i believe what you are seeing is the reflection of the specifically chosen democratic counties by the gore party to boost their vote count. and i am wondering why the bush party didn't purse the same thing in counties where they were predictied to win. i'm not saying anyone is more righteous than another. but i don't understand why the gore campaign is so specifically focused on three or four counties and why the world does not know that many other counties in florida had tens and twenties of thousands of disenfranchised votes about which the gore people take no issue. patrick np. nothing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:40:54 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: List of "River" covers In a message dated 12/4/00 7:30:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << Someone on the folk dj list posted: >14. Linda Ronstadt: River (I DO NOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS >THE FIRST RECORDING OTHER THAN MITCHELL'S OF THIS WONDERFUL SONG -- AT LEAST >THAT I KNOW OF) (A Merry Little Christmas), Elektra 62572 Anyone (Bob?) got a list I could mail back? >> Hey Steve, from the JMDL site, fire this back at them :~) River Bettie Serveert, "Zo, Dit Is Kerstmis", (VPro-Eigenwijs EW-9845) 1998 Buckley, Betty, Caroline de Rooij, "River", Cash, Rosanne, Cole, Holly, "Dark Dear Heart", (Metro Blue 57365) 1997 Coryell, Julian, "Duality", (Encoded Music N2K-10011) 1997 Fourplay, "Snowbound", (Warner Brothers 9-47504-2) 1999 Heart, Indigo Girls, "1200 Curfews", Jeff Stewart, Jennifer Hollywood, "I Came Upon A Child of God", 2000 Lydia Van Dam Group, "Both Sides Now", (VIA Records 9920722) 1999 Marsh, Hugh & Jonathon Goldsmith, "Back To The Garden", (Intrepid ) 1992 Naked Barbies, "Living Independently", O'Hara, Jill, "Jill O'Hara", 1993 Reeves, Dianne, Reilly & Maloney, Robert Downey Jr., "A Very Ally Christmas", (Sony Music BK 85196) 2000 Ronstadt, Linda, 2000 Seriese, Astrid , "Astrid Seriese Live in Amsterdam", 1999 Siegel, Janis, "Short Stories", Squier, Billy, Travis, Van Ronk, Dave, Take care, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 00:54:41 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC How Gore Could Win Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/4/00 4:44:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > > << Well, I'm glad of that, Julius. I'm afraid I've lost or alienated a number > of my friends here on the list over this. >> > > this is a shame. i'm one of 8 children. that's a family of ten. seven of > us are still living and we split 4 and 3 in our vote. my mother voted for > gore and told me on nov.8th that she was sure that the bush family had done > dirty dealings in the state and she can tell for sure by the sneaky smirk of > george bush's evil face which she can't stand to see. and she knows i voted > for him. and in the next breath, she said, tell the kids i love them and > miss them, and i love you paddy...(no added little digs.) > > i've felt that SOME of the gore supporters have been far more demeaning and > ugly in their tone on this thread. we saw...moron, ignorant foolish idiot, > f-ing idiod, yahoo m-fer, and so on. early on i posted why i voted the way i > did and called no one any names. later, i got really frustrated and tired > and ended up posting something i wish i hadn't. and that's my fault. at the > same time, it's very difficult to speak openly only to be drilled with > animosity and disdain. it's hard not to throw mud back. whilst i don't recall seeing anything ugly from you, pat, and do recall the 'idiot' posts, I think that to ignore the blatent nastiness and snobbishness and arrogance of the pro republicans(only 2 I can think of and I think they are related!) is not fair. Mr Deste and Mr galt have done nothing to change my opinion of conservatives. Both have been downright rude and quite aparrently do not give a shit for anyone elses viewpoint. They have dismissed another's view as being either stupid or dishonest . There is no one more dangerous than a person who is so damn sure they know what is best for evevryone else. They only are interested in power, not you or me, and these posts show that very clearly. I know you quite well, and don't care who you voted for, I know you are a decent person who would not have such flagrant disregard for others. It therefore surprises me that in explaining why you voted for Bush and having a go at whoever it was that called Bush a 'fucking idiot', the far more serious abuses went unnoticed or uncommented on. To call someone a 'fucking idiot' in a moment of passion or childishness is a mere flash in the pan. to systemically show that you care nothing for others is whole other matter. For what it is worth, i support niether and hold no politcal or relgious affilitaion tho I hold strong views on politics and spirituality. I don't think the two can seperated and I believe that the 'personal' is 'political'. We make our politcs well known in our daily actions and the same goes for our spiritual standpoint. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:51:06 -0600 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: RE: NJC from Janis Joplin list/election Patrick (siresorrow) wrote: "mary, i understand why you believe this way. i have a different belief. i live about 2 hours drive from jacksonville fl. i understand that they had 22,000 votes which were undefined and therefore disqualified. but the gore campagn did not pursue a recount in that county. because jaconsville remains a republican territory. and i am wondering about tampa and pensicola as well. i believe what you are seeing is the reflection of the specifically chosen democratic counties by the gore party to boost their vote count. and i am wondering why the bush party didn't purse the same thing in counties where they were predictied to win. " Me now: I also wonder why the Bush campaign didn't pursue recounts in areas in which Bush was predicted to win, or perhaps, in other areas that were especially close and which Bush lost. But the campaign chose not to. One could argue that it had no reason to do so, since in every tally of machine-counted votes, Bush has come out ahead. However, I think that when you're winning by a margin of as little as 200-and-some votes and at most, no more than 1000 over all but the first few days of the post-election period, you might wish to clarify the situation for yourself and your country, especially in the event that your opponent has made it quite clear that he has no immediate plans to roll over and play dead. Of course Gore chose to contest areas that were heavily Democratic. It wasn't up to the Gore campaign to do the Bush campaign's job for it: that would be a little like expecting a defense attorney to make the prosecutor's argument. With that said, however, the best thing would have been a total recount of the Florida votes, if any recounting at all were going to be done. But whatever some Bush supporters might think of the sincerity of the offer, that option was offered by the Gore campaign. . . and refused by Bush. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:06:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: List of "River" covers In a message dated 12/04/2000 6:30:23 PM Central Standard Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << Anyone (Bob?) got a list I could mail back? >> This is accessible from JMDL.com, just search by song title...here's what it says: River Bettie Serveert, "Zo, Dit Is Kerstmis", (VPro-Eigenwijs EW-9845) 1998 Buckley, Betty, Caroline de Rooij, Cash, Rosanne, Cole, Holly, "Dark Dear Heart", (Metro Blue 57365) 1997 Coryell, Julian, "Duality", (Encoded Music N2K-10011) 1997 Fourplay, "Snowbound", (Warner Brothers 9-47504-2) 1999 Heart, Indigo Girls, "1200 Curfews", Jeff Stewart, Jennifer Hollywood, "I Came Upon A Child of God", 2000 Lydia Van Dam Group, "Both Sides Now", (VIA Records 9920722) 1999 Marsh, Hugh & Jonathon Goldsmith, "Back To The Garden", (Intrepid ) 1992 Naked Barbies, "Living Independently", O'Hara, Jill, "Jill O'Hara", 1993 Reeves, Dianne, Reilly & Maloney, Robert Downey Jr., "A Very Ally Christmas", (Sony Music BK 85196) 2000 Ronstadt, Linda, 2000 Seriese, Astrid , "Astrid Seriese Live in Amsterdam", 1999 Siegel, Janis, "Short Stories", Squier, Billy, Travis, Van Ronk, Dave, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:34:39 -0600 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: RE: NJC How Gore could win Julius wrote, and Kakki responded: > If that's decided after the electoral vote in Gore's favor after >Bush is declared winner, what would be the remedy? They're >not going to remove Bush from office at that point. No way. I don't know - I think that if it were legally established that Gore did ultimately win the electoral vote, I think they would have to remove Bush from office. It would be a first, but I don't see that it could never happen" Kakki, I'm not picking on you, and I also value your friendship! But I must respectfully disagree. There's something in that old axiom that "possession is 9/10 of the law": when someone's got something of value, and a status quo has been established, courts are often extremely reluctant to disrupt the equilibrium, or to take that "something" away. I realize it's a huge leap from the U.S. presidency to family law, but I can't help but think of the many situations involving adoption and other placement decisions for children in which an "OK" current placement is favored over another which might have been better in the long run had it only been implemented, because of the disruption and distress that a change would cause to the child. Of course, there are exceptions: witness the Baby Jessica and Baby Richard cases of some years back. But those cases were distressing precisely because so many people found them so deeply counter-intuitive. There, loving adoptive placements were ended in favor of return of the children in question to couples found to have greater legal claims, but no past relationships with the children, who were toddlers at the time of definitive court action. And public outcry was swift and loud. Here, I humbly submit that, in place of "best interest of the child," the applicable standard will be found, officially or not, to be "best interest of the country." And I find it hard to believe that a sitting president who has already established a "relationship" with the American people *as* their president and has acted as such will be unceremoniously ejected from the Oval Office, no matter how strong the legal claim of the opposition is ultimately found to be. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:50:36 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: I feel like tina tonight (NJC) My local CBS affiliate is airing "Tina Turner: One Last Time" from Wembley Stadium tonight at 10 o'clock Eastern time. God love her, this trooper has been on the road with her concert tour since last spring. I was lucky enough to be in the seventh row at one of her Boston appearances in early June (one week after Joni's Boston concert) and she was spectacular. I've also seen her with Ike in '69 and during her "Private Dancer" tour in '82 or '83. In my experience, a Tina concert is not to be missed. Check your local listings and pray that CBS doesn't screw it up. Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:07:00 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: John Galt For a while, this J Galt person wrote me mysterious unsigned letters. He is using a false name since he doesn't have the real courage of his convictions. John Galt is a character in the Ayn Rand novel, ATLAS SHRUGGED, the premise of which supports notions like greed is good, unfettered capitalism is a blessing and altruism is a weakness. The ideas are kind of Hitlerian and sink or swim socio-Darwinism. I know there are fans of Ayn Rand on this list, but I strongly feel she is an author whose novels are suitable only to adolescence and its accompanying stage of total self-indulgence. Her novels are fascinating, elaborate extensions of the narcissistic personality with all its attendant neuroses but it's a mistake to take any of them seriously. - - Clark NP: Pet Shop Boys - Nightlife ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:34:12 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Bob's quote from a musical (njc) But *what* song from Camelot? "Take me to the Fair" is as close as I can figure as a knights doing battle song, but I don't recall those lyrics. Please advise! (the Rev) Vince Anne Sandstrom wrote: > Bob, who recalls a Broadway tune from The Boys Fron Syracuse (?) that starts > > out "Fie on goodness, fie!" > > Nope! It's from "Camelot" - the song is sung by knights before they go out > to do battle. > > (The music of Camelot and My Fair Lady were burned into my brain because my > father used to listen to both endlessly...) > > lots of love > Anne > NPIMH: a song sung by knights before they go out to do battle - thanks a lot > Bob! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:34:05 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: I feel like tina tonight (NJC) You're absolutely right Bob, she's not to be missed. I saw her perform with the Stones during their 1981 North American Tour Tour. That was when they did that random selection lottery thing supervised by a national lottery firm. Jim and I sent in about 100 ticket requests. OK, so I use to be a huge Stone's fan. I still am. We finally landed ourselves 6th row tickets. She performed Rod Stewart's "Hot Legs" That was appropriate, right? lol Her performance was outstanding. I'll never forget it! I'll definitely tune in tonight. Thanks Bob. - -Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:41:45 -0600 From: "Dave and Beth Fairall" Subject: THANKS FOR THE PACKAGE Ashara, Thanks for the unexpected gift package from the New England Jonifest 2000 Giveaway. Great pics and a nice article from the Globe to add to my collection of Joni memoribila. Really appreciate!!I was contemplating a non-political post anyway, to break the monotony, and your envelope arrived today!! The Chaka DVD news is terrific, just got a DVD player, and I'm scouting around for prospects, anyone have a suggestion? Man from Mars is one of the most haunting Joni tunes, definitely my fave on TTT, and Chaka should tear it up, can't wait to hear it. Got a chance to hang w/ her years ago, when I was touring w/ Otis Reddings sons, "The Reddings", and we opened for her on a number of midwest shows. Fellow Baltimorean Hiram Bullock held the guitar chair in her band.... wild times!! Does anyone think the fact that W has been strangely mute, and nearly in seclusion lately seems at all curious? What's up with that? His handlers are careful not to let him shoot himself in the foot with some ill-advised posturing or snide remark(s) before his coronation is complete. Sorry, couldn't resist.... Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 22:05:38 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: 20 January NJC > > If that's decided after the electoral vote in Gore's favor after >Bush is > declared winner, what would be the remedy? They're >not going to remove Bush > from office at that point. No way. > > I don't know - I think that if it were legally established that Gore did > ultimately win the electoral vote, I think they would have to remove Bush > from office. It would be a first, but I don't see that it could never > happen" > It would be unconstitutional to remove a president for any other reason than impeachment and conviction for high crimes and misdemeanors commited while president. If (note I say "if", I am just pitching a scenario for the sake of illustration) it were proved that G W Bush actively conspired to steal the election, that would not have happened while he was president and would not be an impeachable offense. Once the president is sworn in on January 20 at 12 noon, that is it for 4 years. I do think the election was clearly stolen. I am not sure if G W Bush had any role in it, but at least (some) Florida Republicans did. The investigations the next few years will be interesting. The payback for what was done to Clinton with investigations, and Gore with this election, will be hell. One of the most antiClinton Republicans, Bill McCullom, a member of the House Judiciary Committee and a manager of the House team in the Senate trial of Clinton, was defeated for election as Florida's senator. I can happen, but it strains the imagination that people voted for Bush and then turned around and voted Democratic for Senator given who the Republican candidate was. I never thought a stolen election like 1876 or 1888 could happen in our day. It appears to be happening. I am very sad, very stunned, very disappointed with the way this is going. However this ugly saga plays out, I am glad that I was on the side that said over and over, count all the votes and not on the side that said, stop the counting. I ma glad my candidate asked to meet with the other candidate; I think it says a lot that the other candidate refused. I never thought we'd ever see the day when the winner of the popular vote would not win the electoral vote. If Bush is sworn in, he will be the most minority of presidents that we have had since Benjamin Harrison and Rutherford Hayes, who are both remembered mainly for the corruption that surrounded their winning the election. And I thank Mary Pitassi for some excellent posts today. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:54:26 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: RLJ on the radio Tuesday (njc) Scheduled for Tuesday Dec 5 on NPR THE CONNECTION with Christopher Lydon Ricki Lee Jones Live in the morning from WBUR Boston, replayed on tape in the afternoon on my local National Public Radio station in Phila WHYY 90.9 FM Brian nw: Larry King and the election/legal coverage ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:01:21 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: sorry - Should have tagged my last post NJC. Sorry! - - Clark NP: ESPN - Skateboard finals ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:23:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: RLJ on the radio Tuesday (njc) can anybody PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make a tape for me???????????? my eternal gratitude!!!!!! mail me privately if you can. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Brian Gross Enviado el: Lunes, 04 de Diciembre de 2000 11:54 p.m. Para: Joni@smoe.org Asunto: RLJ on the radio Tuesday (njc) Scheduled for Tuesday Dec 5 on NPR THE CONNECTION with Christopher Lydon Ricki Lee Jones Live in the morning from WBUR Boston, replayed on tape in the afternoon on my local National Public Radio station in Phila WHYY 90.9 FM Brian nw: Larry King and the election/legal coverage ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:00:22 -0600 (CST) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: 20 January NJC On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Vince Lavieri wrote: > I can happen, but it > strains the imagination that people voted for Bush and then turned around and > voted Democratic for Senator given who the Republican candidate was. Doesn't strain my imagination at all. People split tickets all the time. Your analysis works only if you sees a vote for Bush explicitly as a rejection of Clinton. I don't think most people saw their vote that way, and I certainly think it plausible that enough people saw their Bush votes as a rejection of *Gore* or, egads, an endorsement of Bush, to cover the extremely slim margin of victory. I still don't understand all the moral indignation over this. Should we endorse fraud or even irregularities? Of course not. But the one thing we *do* know is that no matter how you slice it there is NO "rightful" winner in this case who has the true authority of the people behind him. It was too damn close. When a necessarily dichotomous outcome is this close it is random. Period. Ask any statistician. Kakki's call for thorough reconsideration of our voting procedures is the right one, and the only one with any moral weight. - --Michael NP: Michael Jackson, _Off the Wall_ (a righteous album! :-) ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:02:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: RLJ on the radio Tuesday (njc) << can anybody PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make a tape for me???????????? >> Making the tape is the easy part, Wally Gator - the bitch is getting it into Argentina! Bob, who may be traveling to Chile soon! NP: Lone Justice, "Ways To Be Wicked" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:00:13 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Re: For The Roses Trivia Thats Right the Pacific Madrone is a common name used here in Oregon, the Botanical name is Arbutus Menzesii small detail JONI thought it would be allright to have her moon on the cover, i like her in green velvet and boots better. Brian - ----- Original Message ----- From: susan+rick To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 12:18 AM Subject: Re: For The Roses Trivia > > From: "BRIAN SYMES" > > Untill i moved out to Oregon i never understood what Arbutus was which Joni > > rfers to at the end of FTR. > > it is the evergreen tree that is on the Album Cover to the right of Joni > > growing out of the hill side. > > This tree grows from the lower B.C. coast down to California. the glossy > > leaves rustle in the wind i think of this song when i vist my favorite > > deserted beaches on the south coast. > > The arbutus is Canada's only broadleaved evergreen and I think is called > madrona as you get further south on the coast. I've always thought the > rustling came from the bark which peels off in strips and hangs on the > trunk, rustling like paper in the wind. > > Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:18:25 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: HDCD Re-issues? I agree with the other posters about the HDCD issues. I have several of them. I gave away the "old" ones to spread the word and sold a few of the 'old" ones to support my habit. Er... interest. The HDCD process (discussed in Stereophile) involves some compression and smoother highs but importantly, was designed by an Audiophile. The differences are completely insignificant to most people. Only a few are bothered by digital harshness. ~~~ Now for a comercial for For The Roses. IMHO, if you want to hear For The Roses properly, you have to spend a lot of money on a nice turntable and cartridge. I don't know anyone who has expensive CD gear but on a high-end cartridge, ooo la la! The piano on that album! The guitar sound! Oh my! It is so lush and beautiful. I don't know what Henry Lewy (the engineer) did differently on that album, compared to other work he did for Joni. I suspect that they simply booked time in a studio that had exceptional microphones. (And yes, there are differences! ) The sound of Court and Spark is muddy by comparison. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 01:18:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: RLJ on the radio Tuesday (njc) you can always keep it till we meet again at ashara's or sooner if i make it to the US of A in january. and pray tell why to chile and not to ARGENTINA?!?!?!?! wallyK, - -----Mensaje original----- De: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Enviado el: Martes, 05 de Diciembre de 2000 01:03 a.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; briangross@rocketmail.com; Joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: RLJ on the radio Tuesday (njc) << can anybody PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make a tape for me???????????? >> Making the tape is the easy part, Wally Gator - the bitch is getting it into Argentina! Bob, who may be traveling to Chile soon! NP: Lone Justice, "Ways To Be Wicked" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 23:29:52 -0500 From: Kate & CJ Subject: Re: Who is J Galt? NJC > Isn't John Galt the hero of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" , in fact isn't the > first sentence "Who is John Galt?". > Yes, Patricia that is correct. And the minds of this list could definitely make some fabulously insightful parallels from Ayn to Joni. Let's all try that or maybe just go to http://www.thegentleman.com/ and see where it takes us. XOX Carol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 02:12:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Who is J Galt? NJC oh lord!!!! this cracked me up! praise be to the gentleman! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Kate & CJ Enviado el: Martes, 05 de Diciembre de 2000 01:30 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Who is J Galt? NJC > Isn't John Galt the hero of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" , in fact isn't the > first sentence "Who is John Galt?". > Yes, Patricia that is correct. And the minds of this list could definitely make some fabulously insightful parallels from Ayn to Joni. Let's all try that or maybe just go to http://www.thegentleman.com/ and see where it takes us. XOX Carol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 22:02:19 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: HDCD Re-issues? Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Now for a comercial for For The Roses. > The piano on that album! The guitar sound! Oh my! It > is so lush and beautiful. I don't know what Henry Lewy (the engineer) did > I suspect > that they simply booked time in a studio that had exceptional microphones. > (And yes, there are differences! ) Plus: an exceptional piano, artfully tuned, a worthy acoustic space, and of course the hands and heart to press the ivories..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 03:27:02 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: HDCD Re-issues? you're so right, jim!!!! why can't cd's sound so exciting as the old vinyls????? wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Randy Remote Enviado el: Martes, 05 de Diciembre de 2000 03:02 a.m. Para: Jim L'Hommedieu; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: HDCD Re-issues? Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Now for a comercial for For The Roses. > The piano on that album! The guitar sound! Oh my! It > is so lush and beautiful. I don't know what Henry Lewy (the engineer) did > I suspect > that they simply booked time in a studio that had exceptional microphones. > (And yes, there are differences! ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:08:38 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: further downey stream / FOR THE ROSES ON THE TUBE TONIGHT. ROBERT ON SILLY MC BEAL DID SOME FAUX BOSS, SADLY VONDA SHEPHERD IS BEING HEARD LESS AND LESS, I SAW HER AT A RECORD STORE BEFORE ALLY MC B STARTED AND GOT A SMILE OUT OF HERE WHEN I TOLD HER " DIANA ARETHA TINA AND NOW VONDA. NEXT A BIG CHOICE SARAH BRIGHTMAN WHISPERING A WHITER SHADE OF PALE OR TINA TURNER SHAKIN THRU I HEARD IT THRU THE GRAPEVINE. AS A WHITE BOY WHO GREW UP IN MOTOWN IM WITH TINA. FTR WHEN I PURCHASED THE BIG BLACK DISC I PLAYED IT TILL I HAD IT ALL MEMORIZED BUT UNDERSTANDING IT ALL TOOK A FEW YEARS OF LIFE, THE LAST SONG TO UNDERSTAND WAS COLD BLUE STEEL, WHEN MY BUDDIES RETURNED FROM NAM THEY ALL HAD THEIR FAVORITE SILVER SPOONS THAT TARNISHED A BLUE COLOR. MOST OF THE SONGS ON FTR REFLECT HER LIFE IN ROCK AND ROLL AND RETREAT TO WEST COAST OF BC. I FINALLY ESCAPED DETROIT'S AUTOMOBILE PERFUMES FOR MT MONADOCK,NEW HAMPSHIRE AND SHARED THE BLUEBERRIES WITH THE BEARS. THIR WAS ONE FOLK CLUB IN PETERBORUGH I WOULD DRIVE THRU 12" OF SNOW TO HEAR FORGOTTEN FOLKIES PLAY THEIR 12 STRINGS AND FIDDLES. BRIAN. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #639 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?