From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #638 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 4 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 638 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: For The Roses Trivia [susan+rick ] re: down to you thanks (NJC) ["karla subero" ] Re: For The Roses Trivia [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: NJC How Gore Could Win ["J. Galt, Jr." ] Re: NJC From Janis Joplin list/election ["J. Galt, Jr." ] Re: HDCD Re-issues? [Jerry Notaro ] Alison, where are you? ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: San Francisco Mini-Joni-Fest/ 10th World (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] FW: Diane Zeigler - long (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Popular vote and the purpose of the electoral college (njc) ["Lori R.] Bob's quote from a musical (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] A Case Of You [catman ] Re: NJC From Janis Joplin list/election [catman ] Today in Joni History - December 4 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - December 2 [Today in Joni History ] Re: For The Roses Trivia [susan+rick ] Fw: 30% Off Joni Mitchell -- This Weekend Only at CDNOW! ["Michael Paz" <] Re: For The Roses Trivia ["gene mock" ] Re: NJC How Gore Could Win [Alison E ] Who is J Galt? NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: NJC How Gore Could Win [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: A Case Of You ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Who is J Galt? NJC [catman ] Joni Mention in "US" Mag. (VLJC) [Lindsay Moon ] Re: NJC How Gore Could Win ["Kakki" ] Re: Who is J Galt? NJC ["Patricia O'Connor" ] RE: [Fwd: Re: HDCD Re-issues?] ["Martin Giles" ] Re: NJC From Janis Joplin list/election, NJC, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: For The Roses Trivia > From: "BRIAN SYMES" > Untill i moved out to Oregon i never understood what Arbutus was which Joni > rfers to at the end of FTR. > it is the evergreen tree that is on the Album Cover to the right of Joni > growing out of the hill side. > This tree grows from the lower B.C. coast down to California. the glossy > leaves rustle in the wind i think of this song when i vist my favorite > deserted beaches on the south coast. The arbutus is Canada's only broadleaved evergreen and I think is called madrona as you get further south on the coast. I've always thought the rustling came from the bark which peels off in strips and hangs on the trunk, rustling like paper in the wind. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 01:30:21 -0700 From: "karla subero" Subject: re: down to you thanks (NJC) Thanks for the folks who dug up the remnants of this thread just for me. Much appreciated!! [IMAGE] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 03:36:22 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: For The Roses Trivia In a message dated 12/4/00 3:27:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, rnsc@direct.ca writes: << The arbutus is Canada's only broadleaved evergreen and I think is called madrona as you get further south on the coast. I've always thought the rustling came from the bark which peels off in strips and hangs on the trunk, rustling like paper in the wind. Ranger Rick >> That's not how Joni described it when introducing the song at a concert I attended in 1973. She made it clear that the sound came from the arbutus leaves rustling in the wind. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:14:32 -0000 From: "J. Galt, Jr." Subject: Re: NJC How Gore Could Win Well, I see someone is thinking... Gore's "mantra" has been ALL votes should be counted unless there're from the military (which the Clinton/Gore administration has attacked and vilified) or unless there're from "Republican" counties. Get a grip -- this an out-and-out power grab by Gore. In keeping with the Democrat Party, this is Gore's ENTITLEMENT! He was born and raised to be President, and nothing, including the US Constitution, is going to get in his way of HAVING HIS WAY. Baby Boomer Politics come home to roost. Get over it -- this country has created the ultimate FRANKENSTEIN. >From: "Kakki" >Reply-To: "Kakki" >To: , , >Subject: Re: NJC How Gore Could Win >Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:21:02 -0800 > >Julius wrote: > > > For your information, the voter fraud allegation is not >"dropped," it >is >just not being pursued by the Gore campaign >itself. Why. In the interest >of time, mostly. But also >because the Gore mantra has been that all votes >should be >counted. Even with them, Gore still wins, in all likelyhood, if > >all ballots are counted. > >Now I hope you don't get mad at me, Julius, but here's another thought. If >Gore could prove fraud, it would be his quickest and easiest way to win. >All the time spent on the many lawsuits and recounts could have been spent >on exposing and proving any fraud (which I think would be fairly quick and >easy to do) and he would now be President-Elect. How? Because if he >proved >fraud, all 25 of Florida's electoral votes get thrown out of the final >total >and he wins with his pre-Florida majority of electoral votes. > >Kakki _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:22:53 -0000 From: "J. Galt, Jr." Subject: Re: NJC From Janis Joplin list/election Sounds like one of those out-of-hand put-downs to discredit the logical, thinking process. Exactly, how does this remind you of Monty Python (beside the absurdity of "reading" dimpled, pimpled, swinging and hanging chad [whoever he is])? Better, yet, call Oliver Stone (I'm sure he's on your speed dial). I think you'll need him (and Larry Flynt) to justify this insanity. >From: Les Irvin >Reply-To: Les Irvin >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: NJC From Janis Joplin list/election >Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 23:19:19 -0700 > >At 12/3/2000 10:42 PM, J. Galt, Jr. wrote: >>Florida's governor is the brother to one of the candidates making it >>easier for Democrats to hide their "mischief," knowing that if there are >>any "voting irregularites" that most of the sheeple would naturally accuse >>Geo. Bush. > >Wow....... This logic reminds me of that scene from Monty Python and the >Holy Grail where they burned the witch at the stake. Where's Oliver Stone >when you need him? >Les - staying out of it... really! > >NP: Patty Larkin "Me and that Train" _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:07:24 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC How Gore Could Win Kakki writes: << I don't know I think it would be more noble to expose voter fraud, but maybe it would not be so good politically because it would disenfranchise the majority of innocent Florida voters.>> I think the voter fraud in this case is self-evident and well-exposed already, it really represents republicans shooting themselves in the foot. Again, the voters' rights are paramount in my mind. <> I couldn't agree more, but that's going to take a while to shake out. Time the Gore camp doesn't have. If that's decided after the electoral vote in Gore's favor after Bush is declared winner, what would be the remedy? They're not going to remove Bush from office at that point. No way. <> Agreed. But what about the idea that a govenment official would let these people in to set up shop in a government office to do all that? That's atrocious. <> Yes, just as there is no clear standard for what represents a fair ballot design. What represents a vote is left to the descretion of the counties by law. Maybe not the fairest scenario imaginable, but it's what's lawful and in place. > >We simply need to count the ballots of everyone who voted legally, however long it takes.<< > The Bush camp is at liberty to request a recount whereever they want to. I think they did initiate a recount push in New Mexico, but that runs counter to their strategy of decrying recounts as unreliable. They painted themselves into a corner on that. They figure recounts can only work against them and would create an atmosphere of implied tolerance of recounts as a way to settle this mess. <> What, that little fire? I was just enacting the last verse to "Urge for Going." Next, I'll pull the blankets up to my chin. :-) Seriously, I won't pretend that this news of your voting history doesn't please me, Kakki, but I'm quite sure I would hold you in the highest esteem and treasure your friendship either way. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 06:24:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mondegreen Mary << i was raised on molson. >> Which is coincidental, Brian, because on her '83 tour she changed the lyric to: "He was sittin' in a lounge, Of the Empire hotel" He was suckin' on a Molson He was thinkin' for himself" So you were still in synch with the song! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 06:31:10 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: The case for hand counts (NJC) The New York Times did an analysis of the Florida vote and found that the counties that use the Votomatic punch-card counting machine produced "undervotes" (no vote recorded for president) at a rate that was five times that for optical scan machines used in other counties. Now, it's remotely possible that the people in those counties were five times likelier to chose not to vote for any candidate, but isn't it damned unlikely? Hand counts would be the only way to resolve the lingering doubt about those undervotes. Deb Messling - ------------------------------------ "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 08:18:48 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: HDCD Re-issues? Brian Lindsay wrote: > Hi; > > Just wondering if anyone had comments on the quality of the HDCD > re-masters > of Joni's CDs vs earlier versions. Is it worth upgrading? I'm > particularly > interested in Hejira. (and no, my CD player does not have an HDCD > decoder) Most dvd playersa can decode hdcd. Microsoft just bought hdcd technology from its developer so it looks like it will be a technological player. Saw an ad in a glossy Sound Advicecircular for dvd audio. There are only a handful of dvd audio recordings but prominently displayed was BSN and photo of cover. She continues to produce her product on the cutting edge of technology. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:34:57 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Alison, where are you? Alison, I tried to reply to you and I deleted the message. Get back with me. We were discussing female artists. Thanks, Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:37:05 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: San Francisco Mini-Joni-Fest/ 10th World (NJC) In a message dated 12/3/00 7:44:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Bob, who recalls a Broadway tune from The Boys Fron Syracuse (?) that starts out "Fie on goodness, fie!" >> Hmmm.... being the resident Broadway aficionado, I think that may be from Camelot (Mordrid's song). Hugs, Ashara {who likes talking about Broadway a LOT more than talking about the election!} ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:36:43 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: FW: Diane Zeigler - long (njc) Hi everyone. This email was forwarded to me by Geoff Bartley. It's from New England singer/songwriter Diane Zeigler. Diane Zeigler's first CD is really fantastic. I don't think I've ever mentioned it to the list before. (I've played mine so much, I think I've worn grooves in it!) I'll be ordering the second CD ASAP. Anyway, she's someone you will most likely find worth checking out! lots of love Anne > > Hello folks, > > >I finally got one kid to take his nap and the other to fall > asleep while > >listening to Julie Andrews sing Christmas carols and thought > I'd seize the > >moment and send out an update (of course Nell has been > trying to figure out > >how both Mary Poppins and Maria von Trapp have joined forces > to sing together > >and yet still sound like one person....this is really a > tough one to explain). > > > >As many of you know, I suffered a repetitive stress injury > to my arm about > >two weeks after my new CD came out in June, and as a result > I had to cancel > >all of my performances over the last five months (which > included my own show > >at the Kennedy Center in Washington DC, and a main stage > appearance at the > >Rocky Mountain Folks Festival in Colorado, among others). > Barring a miracle, > >I am scheduled to have surgery on December 1 which will > hopefully correct > >the problem. PLEASE NOTE THAT I HAVE CANCELLED ALL > PERFORMANCES UNTIL EARLY > >MARCH, so please don't expect to see me at any shows I > previously told you > >about. > > > >This situation has had a devastating effect on CD sales, as > I have been > >unable to do a single gig to promote it. Because it an > independent release I > >am now independently in debt; please remember that there are > only 34 more > >shopping days to include "These Are the Roots" as part of > your holiday > >gift-giving. (Please do excuse the shameless > self-promotion; "Has she no > >pride?", you say...) But here's the good news: The CD has > received stellar > >reviews nationwide; excerpts are posted below if you want to > check them out. > >(Ordering information also posted below). > > > >This whole situation is vaguely reminiscent of what happened > with my debut > >release on Rounder Records in 1995; then, too, I was unable > to promote my new > >CD due to my surprise pregnancy with Nell. So perhaps it's > just in the cards > >right now that home is the best place for me to be and that > despite my > >efforts otherwise, I must focus on the hearth. I have to > say that even > >though it's been disappointing, I feel somewhat blessed that > I'm not in the > >insane position of being a weekend-plane-flying-guitar-playing mommy. > > > >Other news: "Leap of Faith" from my first CD "Sting of the > Honeybee" is > >going to be included on a new Rounder Records compilation to > benefit homeless > >women. Other artists included on the project are Juliana > Hatfield, Rory > >Block, Nanci Griffith, Lynn Miles, and The Cox Family, among > others. The > >project is expected to go on sale this November in > appoximately 30 J. Jill > >retail stores throughout the US. > > > >My song "Enoch Arden" will soon be included in the next issue of Hugh > >Blumenfeld's Fenario project posted at MP3.com. Free > listening and up to > >1500 free downloads now available at > http://www.mp3.com/fenario. For lyrics, > >bio and more folk music information than you can possibly use in this > >lifetime, try http://folkmusic.about.com/ > > > >And one more new compilation to tell you about. "I know my > Baby's Cry" from > >my new CD is the lead cut on a new CDFreedom.com compilation > called "Hope: > >Mothers Helping Mothers" to benefit homeless mothers and > children. The songs > >on this CD are all inspired by mothering, and the > songwriters included all > >offer different perspectives on the experience. Some of the > other artists > >included: Suzzy Roche, Sara Hickman, Ashley Cleveland, Tish > Hinahosa, and > >Barbara Kessler. It is available at www.cdfreedom.com. > > > >On a lighter note, I recently stumbled upon a website that > includes my 1995 > >Philo release "Sting of the Honeybee" as part of a long and > daunting list of > >the 'Music Of the Rock-and-roll Era That References > Insects", compiled at > >seemingly great personal effort by entomologist Dr. Joe Coelho of > >Culver-Stockton College. Check out > >http://www.culver.edu/Homepages/Faculty/Jcoelho/bugmusic.htm > and you will > >find my name with the likes of Aerosmith (Joanie's Butterfly > ), Alice in > >Chains ("Whale and Wasp "), Depeche Mode ("Fly On The > Windscreen"), Boy > >George ("Satan's Butterfly Ball "), Dave Matthews (" Ants > Marching "), and my > >personal favorite, "Maggot Dream" by the incomparable Death > Cube K. I may > >not be a household name but at least I can write about > insects, which is more > >than my parents ever could have hoped for. :-) > > > >Enjoy the holidays, Diane > > > >TO PURCHASE CDS via credit card/online: www.dianezeigler.com > >TO PURCHASE CDS via credit card/telephone: 1-800-937-3397 > >VIA MAIL ORDER: send $17 to Diane Zeigler, Box 214, > Montpelier VT 05601 > > > ************************************************************** > *************** > >What Critics Are Saying About "THESE ARE THE ROOTS": > > > > > >"If Diane Zeigler released a CD this exceptional every year > I wouldn't have > >to play music from anyone else. No one else in contemporary > folk is as adept > >at writing emotionally charged lyrics, let alone performng > them with as > >achingly beautiful a voice. This is without a doubt my > favorite CD of the > >year." -Stu Weaver, WFCF (FL) > > > >"On a scale of one to ten, this new self-produced effort > rates an eleven. > >Zeigler's personal best. -George Maida, WCVE (VA) > > > >"The criminally under-recorded Zeigler enriches the contemporay folk > >tradition by synchronizing guileless vocals and expert instrumental > >accompaniment - a true singer and songwriter. She manages to > elevate the > >humble yet celebratory virtues of her family , reinventing > what could be > >cliche into near-holy, sincere homilies. The new CD showcases all the > >pretensionless talent which is Diane Zeigler ; Shyness, > Spiritualuality and > >Ardor in equal measure." -Dave Leonatti, WUIS (IL) > > > >"Zeigler almost never fails to find striking words and > honest music with > >which to express herself'D6.This is one of the most > satisfying records of the > >year." -Peter Hanson, Metroland Magazine (NY) > > > >"Distinguishing oneself within the crowded field of folk-pop > composers is no > >easy feat these days, but Diane Zeigler is not your average > songwriter'D6. > >Zeigler constructs graceful vignettes that exude a spirit of > resolve and > >affirmation,'D6[sung] in a voice that's as resonant and > beautiful as the > >Vermont countryside in which she was raised." - Performing > Songwriter > >Magazine > > > >"Diane Zeigler's new CD These Are the Roots is an appealing > and articulate > >album by a talented singer-songwriter whose music can range from > >introspective to tunefully bouncy. The original material is > uniformly high in > >quality, and the CD's production is a model of the right way > to do a record > >like this -- with arrangements that widen the appeal of the > songs, without > >undermining them. The playing by all the musicians is the > model of restraint > >and good taste, adding just the right ingredients without > distracting from > >the songs. Sonically, the album is a class act." -George > Graham, WVIA-FM > >(PA) > > > >"Sting of the Honeybee" was an excellent CD, but this one > blows even that > >away!" > > -Steve Jerret, KOPN (MO) > > > >"STING OF THE HONEYBEE was great. THESE ARE THE ROOTS is > better. This is an > >artist...whose depth of perspective and emotion is > razor-sharp. Diane's > >beautiful lyrics, along with her distinctive guitar sound > and of course, that > >ever-expressive voice, combine for one of the finest > collections in recent > >memory. The years she took off to become a mother have given her new > >insights on life and music, and those of us who listen are > better off for > >it." > > --Kent Anderson, KCSC ( OK) > > > >"Her songwriting is as sharp as ever'D6. The songs cover > tender and emotive > >subjects and she handles them all with tact and elegance, > she manages to > >steer clear of well worn cliches - resulting in fresh, > thought provoking and > >often disarming songs. [This CD] is a stylish and classy > collection from > >start to finish, and one that has much to offer fans of > acoustic singer > >songwriters." -Fish Records Catalog (England) > > > >"It is nice to find a songwriter who writes songs that > reflect the concerns > >and joys of every day life. By combining superb songwriting > skill with > >alluring melodies and beautiful vocals, this Cd is a must be > heard effort for > >all music enthusiasts". -Dan Alloway, KTEP (TX) > > > >"The first three songs tell you everything you need to know > about Diane > >Zeigler's latest recording. In an industry rife with hype, > she cuts through > >the clutter with stunning simplicity. Don't expect to find > her vision on the > >surface. " These Are The Roots" taps into a deeper well. > --Bob Allen, > >WIAA (MI) > > > >"Tender subjects are delivered cliche-free; tough themes are > handled with > >delicacy and grace. The voice? Lovely as ever....No wonder > we're playing this > >one in "heavy" rotation!" -Marilyn Rae Bayer, WUMB (MA) > > > >"An undeniably sweet and pretty voice is what really sets this disc > >apart'D6.Zeigler's voice has an indefinable quality that > simply makes it > >special'D6believe me when I say that Zeigler has the right > stuff." -The > >Burlington Free Press (VT) > > > > Geoff Bartley > (508) 875-8313 in Framingham, Massachusetts > website: http://www.geoffbartley.com or http://www.waterbug.com > > Artist Representation: > Jean Schwartz > mezzobean@aol.com > > For guitar and harmonica lessons, please call me at (508) 875-8313 > > Valued E-mail Recipients: If these e-mails are starting to > bug you, please > write "delete" in the subject space. Spam has fallen into > disfavor since > World War II. > To order CDs: http://www.waterbug.com or http://www.amazon.com > "One Kind Word" & "Hear That Wind Howl" are carried by HMV, > TowerRecords, > NewburyComics, Barnes&Noble, BordersBooks&Music, & other cool stores. > Thank you for your support. > "My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog thinks > I am." -anon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 06:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Popular vote and the purpose of the electoral college (njc) Debra wrote: > Looks like Bush followers think he should be > president based on the amount of acreage involved. Yep, and since most of that acreage is rural, can you guess what covers much of it??? How appropriate! ; ) Two points to ponder: 1) Perhaps legislation should be introduced to prevent a candidate from running for president when his/her immediate relative governs a state. 2) How bad could it be to simply NOT HAVE A PRESIDENT for the next four years? Suits me. ===== Lori in DC http://radio.sonicnet.com/mymusiclisten.asp?name=lrfye http://www.art101.com/flame/taxfree.htm Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:58:51 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Bob's quote from a musical (njc) Bob, who recalls a Broadway tune from The Boys Fron Syracuse (?) that starts out "Fie on goodness, fie!" Nope! It's from "Camelot" - the song is sung by knights before they go out to do battle. (The music of Camelot and My Fair Lady were burned into my brain because my father used to listen to both endlessly...) lots of love Anne NPIMH: a song sung by knights before they go out to do battle - thanks a lot Bob! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 15:07:57 +0000 From: catman Subject: A Case Of You I have been up ALL night birthing Martha who has so far had 2 boys and 1 girl. This has been a really long labour. Anyway, a repeat episode of Chicago Hope was on tv and whuilst two characters were operating on a child in Africa, the female one was singing a song from Blue. Later, they actually played Joni singing A Case of You. I felt a part of the scene not just because of the Joni song but because I too am covered in blood and gunge. Now All I Want is some sleep but she ain't finished yet.... - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 15:15:21 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC From Janis Joplin list/election Me thinks someone has changed his email account. Or has a clone. "J. Galt, Jr." wrote: > Sounds like one of those out-of-hand put-downs to discredit the logical, > thinking process. Exactly, how does this remind you of Monty Python (beside > the absurdity of "reading" dimpled, pimpled, swinging and hanging chad > [whoever he is])? Better, yet, call Oliver Stone (I'm sure he's on your > speed dial). I think you'll need him (and Larry Flynt) to justify this > insanity. > > >From: Les Irvin > >Reply-To: Les Irvin > >To: joni@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: NJC From Janis Joplin list/election > >Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 23:19:19 -0700 > > > >At 12/3/2000 10:42 PM, J. Galt, Jr. wrote: > >>Florida's governor is the brother to one of the candidates making it > >>easier for Democrats to hide their "mischief," knowing that if there are > >>any "voting irregularites" that most of the sheeple would naturally accuse > >>Geo. Bush. > > > >Wow....... This logic reminds me of that scene from Monty Python and the > >Holy Grail where they burned the witch at the stake. Where's Oliver Stone > >when you need him? > >Les - staying out of it... really! > > > >NP: Patty Larkin "Me and that Train" > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:25:11 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: Diane Zeigler - long (njc) OHMYGOSH, OHMYGOSH, OHMYGOSH!!!! THIS IS TOOOOOO WEIRD!!! I have Diane's first album, and to be honest, haven't thought about her in AGES, but THIS MORNING, while driving a kid to school, thought, "I should go to the net, and see if this woman has FINALLY put out a new CD!! It has been a long time since her first one came out. Synchronicity on the JMDL strikes again! I highly recommend this singer/songwriter! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 08:07:13 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Joni songbook pics yeah, rick, that's a great one! didn't that appear in one of her songbooks? is my memory failing or wasn't there one of the two of them sitting on some straight back chairs inside a house, jamming together? the reason I mention "some memories for me" is because that particular songbook was really the start of some pretty heady days for me... after the last time I saw Joni... in Detroit... yeah, in '68... STAS came out and I'm sure that, like me, for those who were around and heard her live prior to that, it was extremely satisfying to say the least... (of course, in those days the only place you could hear it was on 'underground' FM radio) but for me this songbook brought on another whole new dimension... that ol' 'degrees of separation' thing... see, being her 'hosts' when she rambled into town to play, naturally we (the Cellar gang) tried to be there for whatever she wanted to do... of course she had to eat... so we dined her... she played a little pool... so did I... maybe a book store... a music store for strings... but the thing is, mostly what she wanted to do was play. a few hours of small talk and sight seeing and she'd start to get a bit antsy... and, sure enough she had that D28 nestled in her lap and was twistin' those keys. ...and for me, being the 'house performer'... ie: the most avid player around all the time, by default I became her 'sparring' partner, so to speak... spending many hours trying out stuff and jamming... for instance, she'd teach me a tuning and show me how she wanted to hear it picked, and then I'd lay down the rhythm guitar while she danced all over the neck trying things she heard in her head... at any rate, around the time I bumped into this songbook, I'd really gone through some changes... from folk to rock and blues... from living in the back of the coffeehouse to the commune... from dressing and looking like Gordon Lighfoot to dressing and looking a lot more like David Crosby or Jim Morrison. in other words I'd moved on to the music of Cream and Hendrix and Joplin and people like CSNY and eventually JT were fast favorites and I was drawn to try to learn some of their jams... that was my first JT songbook and there, when I opened it, was a pic of the two of them together... pretty sure I remember one of them both with guitars jamming cause I remember thinking 'wow, it wasn't that long ago she was jamming with me just like that!' wow... then eventually I came across that one of her sitting in the grass playing for Eric Clapton with Dave Crosby... then there was the one with Stills... the one with Nash... the one with Crosby... and on and on... after a while I got used to it but at the time I first saw that book was when it first hit me... cheers, pat NP: Just Like Me http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ - -- rick wrote: >Hey Pat >Like this one? >Ranger Rick From: "P. Henry" >> if it's the same songbook I had there were several (well, at least more than one... you know how wishful thinking can color an old timer's memory) really nice shots of Joni in it. is this the same songbook? (hint, hint) are you sending any more scans? (hint) thanks for this one... it really does bring back some memories for me... :o) >> Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 04:33:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - December 4 1975: "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" is certified gold by the RIAA. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 04:32:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - December 2 1975: Joni performs with the Rolling Thunder Revue in Toronto 1980: Joni's "Shadows And Light" concert special airs on Showtime TV. 1987: (from Wally's bio page): Rolling Stone had a 20th anniversary TV special which aired on ABC [today] and Joni talked at a few points during the program. Also shown was a bit of rare footage of Joni singing "Woodstock" on the Tom Jones Show in 1969. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 08:29:37 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: For The Roses Trivia > From: IVPAUL42@aol.com > << The arbutus is Canada's only broadleaved evergreen and I think is called > madrona as you get further south on the coast. I've always thought the > rustling came from the bark which peels off in strips and hangs on the > trunk, rustling like paper in the wind. > > Ranger Rick >> > > That's not how Joni described it when introducing the song at a concert I > attended in 1973. She made it clear that the sound came from the arbutus > leaves rustling in the wind. > > Paul I Damn, another childhood illusion shattered! Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:56:35 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Fw: 30% Off Joni Mitchell -- This Weekend Only at CDNOW! Here is a great deal for you folks who are catching up on your Joni. 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I've always thought the > > rustling came from the bark which peels off in strips and hangs on the > > trunk, rustling like paper in the wind. > > > > Ranger Rick >> > > > > That's not how Joni described it when introducing the song at a concert I > > attended in 1973. She made it clear that the sound came from the arbutus > > leaves rustling in the wind. > > > > Paul I > > Damn, another childhood illusion shattered! > Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:19:48 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: NJC How Gore Could Win i am really so tired of these condescending and insulting little bites toward people who express their views. if your only response to a comment that you don't agree with is to be insulting and condescending, then please bite your tongue. i don't come to this list for this kind of blatant negativity, and i don't appreciate it. we've survived for a long time by treating each other with respect, even if we don't agree. as for your comments below, > > Get a grip -- this an out-and-out power grab by > Gore. oh, wait, do you mean like forming trasition teams and before the election has been officially decided? or, do you mean, calling down your likely future chief of staff for photo ops and press conferences on your ranch? because that sounds like power-grabbing behavior to me. alison e. - --- "J. Galt, Jr." wrote: > Well, I see someone is thinking... > Gore's "mantra" has been ALL votes should be counted > unless there're from > the military (which the Clinton/Gore administration > has attacked and > vilified) or unless there're from "Republican" > counties. > > Get a grip -- this an out-and-out power grab by > Gore. In keeping with the > Democrat Party, this is Gore's ENTITLEMENT! He was > born and raised to be > President, and nothing, including the US > Constitution, is going to get in > his way of HAVING HIS WAY. Baby Boomer Politics > come home to roost. Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:47:03 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Who is J Galt? NJC Does anybody know this person? J Galt, who are you? You suddenly appear on the list, and all we've had from you is sarcasm and little digs against various people. You are clearly at the other end of the political spectrum to me, which makes it unlikely that I'm going to agree with your views; however, the way you express those views is another matter altogether, and yours is tawdry and cheap; for example: << Your powers of perception are astounding! Hmmm... >> <> I have the strangest feeling that I've seen this kind of snide sarcam before, and I also suspect that J Galt is a made up name. Am I alone in this? I realise that there are a number of possible consequences of my sending this email, the most embarrassing being: 1) I am wrong in my suspicions. In which case, my apologies to J Galt for doubting his existence, and would s/he care to share about anything other than the election, so we have a chance to meet the real person, rather than simply the hatchet wielder for the Republican party and scourge of the Democrats on the list. 2) I am right, and everybody else is already in on the joke. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:59:52 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC How Gore Could Win Alison wrote: << i am really so tired of these condescending and insulting little bites toward people who express their views. if your only response to a comment that you don't agree with is to be insulting and condescending, then please bite your tongue. i don't come to this list for this kind of blatant negativity, and i don't appreciate it. we've survived for a long time by treating each other with respect, even if we don't agree. >> ...and I'd like to repeat Les' words, in case they got lost in the shuffle: <> Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:44:57 -0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: A Case Of You A friend of mine rang me up at work to say that he was watching Chicago Hope and that they were playing ACOY. It was such a nice surprise to hear it over the phone at work. Such cool friends Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: "catman" To: "joni" Sent: 04 December 2000 15:07 Subject: A Case Of You > I have been up ALL night birthing Martha who has so far had 2 boys and 1 girl. This has > been a really long labour. > Anyway, a repeat episode of Chicago Hope was on tv and whuilst two characters were > operating on a child in Africa, the female one was singing a song from Blue. Later, they > actually played Joni singing A Case of You. I felt a part of the scene not just because of > the Joni song but because I too am covered in blood and gunge. > Now All I Want is some sleep but she ain't finished yet.... > > -- > bw > colin > > colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk > http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 19:48:02 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Who is J Galt? NJC > I have the strangest feeling that I've seen this kind of snide sarcam before, me too hence my previous post. Either it is who i think it is or it is a clone attitude wise. > > > > 2) I am right, and everybody else is already in on the joke. > > Azeem in London - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:50:42 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni Mention in "US" Mag. (VLJC) In the December 11 issue of US Magazine with Bruce Willis on the cover, an excerpt from the article on Bruce says, "At 45, Willis is the the "free man in Paris" Joni Mitchell once sang of, completely "unfettered and alive" referring to the end of his marriage to Demi and now his break-up with Maria Bravo. Lindsay (still checking that mailbox every day for my Joni Video Tape Trees ... such anticipation!!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:15:07 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC How Gore Could Win Julius wrote: > I think the voter fraud in this case is self-evident and well->exposed already, it really represents republicans shooting >themselves in the foot. Again, the voters' rights are >paramount in my mind. I'm not sure what you are referring to as the self-evident voting fraud but I think that whatever it is needs to be brought before a court of law and properly adjudicated. Adjudicating it in the media, or popular opinion or the Joni list is not definitive enough for me. Whatever may have occurred needs to be properly resolved in a real and binding way so there may be a deterrent to it ever happening again. > I couldn't agree more, but that's going to take a while to >shake out. Time the Gore camp doesn't have. In my opinion, if Gore's legal team would have focused on establishing any fraud at the outset they would probably have been allowed to recount and hand count till kingdom come. The law is much more accomodating once fraud has been proven and it would have resulted most likely in the dates for final certification being moved to a much more generous deadline. > If that's decided after the electoral vote in Gore's favor after >Bush is declared winner, what would be the remedy? They're >not going to remove Bush from office at that point. No way. I don't know - I think that if it were legally established that Gore did ultimately win the electoral vote, I think they would have to remove Bush from office. It would be a first, but I don't see that it could never happen > Agreed. But what about the idea that a govenment official >would let these people in to set up shop in a government >office to do all that? That's atrocious. I say let's wait to hear the evidence and court ruling on the applicable law before we judge it so quickly. > Yes, just as there is no clear standard for what represents >a fair ballot design. What represents a vote is left to the >descretion of the counties by law. Maybe not the fairest >scenario imaginable, but it's what's lawful and in place. I think that a fair ballot design should be agreed upon for future elections. But I think what represents a vote is at issue here and we may see a more uniform standard coming down the road from the courts. > The Bush camp is at liberty to request a recount whereever >they want to. There was a machine recount. To handcount several Republican-heavy counties would take forever in reality and would bump up against all the deadlines. > I think they did initiate a recount push in New Mexico, but >that runs counter to their strategy of decrying recounts as >unreliable. They painted themselves into a corner on that. >They figure recounts can only work against them and would >create an atmosphere of implied tolerance of recounts as a >way to settle this mess. The New Mexico situation involves different facts and law. It sounds the same on the surface, but it is not when you get into the legal and factual details. > Seriously, I won't pretend that this news of your voting >history doesn't please me, Kakki, but I'm quite sure I would >hold you in the highest esteem and treasure your friendship either way. Well, I'm glad of that, Julius. I'm afraid I've lost or alienated a number of my friends here on the list over this. I try to keep my mouth shut on it, but it's difficult when I perceive that only one side is heard most of the time, plus seeing things often from a legal standpoint, I feel my normally low blood pressure go up when I see mistatements or misunderstanding of the process. In truth, ever since Nov. 8th, a large part of me has wanted Bush not to win this election because I don't want to witness the daily gutting and attacks he is going to be subjected to. On the other hand, what I have perceived as very dangerous legal actions has also made me want to see the fight through. However, I'm really going to try to not get involved in these threads in the future. It's a highly charged situation for everyone. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:56:26 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Who is J Galt? NJC > and I also suspect that J Galt is a made up name. Am I alone in this? > Isn't John Galt the hero of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" , in fact isn't the first sentence "Who is John Galt?". I'm working strictly from memory here so I may be way off. Seems to fit though doesn't it? Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:13:46 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: RE: Absoluetly Fabulous well, i had to go and rent this immediately because i have seen many Absolutely Fabulous episodes but didn't remember this Joni reference. for those of you who didn't catch this before, one woman (eddy) is making a speech to her daughter about how abandoned she feels and she says the phrase "in the squinting sun". then her friend (patsy) walks in and says "and the hissing of summer lawns". the audience laughs, but i am not sure why. do they get that it's a joni mitchell reference? it was funny to me, but i can't imagine the average american audience laughing at the line. colin, or other brits, you'll have to clear this up for me. alison e. in nyc. p.s. this is an incredibly funny show. if you haven't seen it before, now you have an excuse to rent some episodes at your local video store. - --- Eric Wilcox wrote: > Series Three-- Episode 5-- "Fear". Saffy moves out > to college-- and so > Patsy and Edina are getting high freely in the > upstairs bathroom. Patsy > leaves the room while Edina talks to Saffy-- and > when she comes back, she > sings that line. This is just before the two decide > to part ways-- its just > before the finale episode. > > I love this show. ;) > eric Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:54:31 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: HDCD Re-issues?] Apart from any audio considerations, the Shadows And Light HDCD is a double CD which contains all of the music from the original vinyl release, as apposed to the original CD version which was crammed onto one CD by omitting a couple of titles. atb, Martin. In London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:40:21 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: NJC From Janis Joplin list/election, NJC, NJC Hey Vince, 1 - 15. Do you think that the annoymous poster on the Joplin List is saying that 15 coincidences prove vote fraud? If there was any evidence of voter fraud by Republicans, which is what he/she is perisistently implying, why haven't the accusations been made public? Even one accusation of voter fraud would have helped Vice-President Gore's case. Is groundless conspiracy the same thing as fact? Just because it smells 'fishy' doesn't mean that it's gone 'bad'. Maybe it's macerel. Maybe it's tuna. Maybe all close elections smell bad. To me, as an apolitical observer, this one proves that the system works, even though the system needs lots of tuning. Sheesh! All the best, Jim PS- I didn't favor either candidate in this election. BTW, some think that VP Gore will easily win next time. Do you? Who was the guy who lost a close election and came back to win two terms. Nixon, right? It can be done. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:02:15 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC How Gore Could Win In a message dated 12/4/00 4:44:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << Well, I'm glad of that, Julius. I'm afraid I've lost or alienated a number of my friends here on the list over this. >> this is a shame. i'm one of 8 children. that's a family of ten. seven of us are still living and we split 4 and 3 in our vote. my mother voted for gore and told me on nov.8th that she was sure that the bush family had done dirty dealings in the state and she can tell for sure by the sneaky smirk of george bush's evil face which she can't stand to see. and she knows i voted for him. and in the next breath, she said, tell the kids i love them and miss them, and i love you paddy...(no added little digs.) i've felt that SOME of the gore supporters have been far more demeaning and ugly in their tone on this thread. we saw...moron, ignorant foolish idiot, f-ing idiod, yahoo m-fer, and so on. early on i posted why i voted the way i did and called no one any names. later, i got really frustrated and tired and ended up posting something i wish i hadn't. and that's my fault. at the same time, it's very difficult to speak openly only to be drilled with animosity and disdain. it's hard not to throw mud back. i hope that your concern kakki does not come to pass. i received clark's cd in the mail today and listened to parts of it. it's very well done and i admire his comittment. i know how hard it is to record a song and get it to the place where you are comfortable. most noticeable though since i've not had enough time to listen to it, is the picture on the cover. if that's clark, then he's one good looking democrat. tight, thin, full head of hair, and a great smile. and i'm str8. but i'd like to look like him. and wallyburger, if you don't have the cd, you need to get it just for the bear on the cover....nvn (no viagra necessary). my point being, we're all people trying to make decisions. why can't we respect each other for that. myself included. patrick np. willy porter-angry words ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #638 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?