From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #631 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 29 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 631 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- november 29 njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: God's Playlist NJC [catman ] Jazz, anyone? NJC, NEC, USA content ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: God's Playlist NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Absolutely Fabulous ["Hell" ] Re: november 29 njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: criticism NJC (grinch) [BarBearUh ] Re: Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (NJC) (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RS 5/17/69 [Emily Kirk Gray ] Re: Creed and Christian Anything NJC [Siresorrow@aol.com] Christian Music and RD Jr. (NJC) [Leslie Mixon ] Re: Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: God's Playlist NJC [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Flea and other genuine freaks (NJC) [Kay Ashley ] RE: Absoluetly Fabulous ["Eric Wilcox" ] God's Playlist (NJC) -- long [Louis Lynch ] Re: RS 5/17/69 ["C.A. Starkey" ] Re: JoniFest in LA??? [Phyliss Ward ] Re: God's Playlist (NJC) -- long [catman ] Re: God's Playlist (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Jonispeak [Jerry Notaro ] Christian Anything NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: RS 5/17/69 (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Jim Johanson's Birthday [susan+rick ] RE: RS 5/17/69 (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Today in Joni History - November 29 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Christian Music and RD Jr. (NJC) [jan gyn ] Re: God's Playlist NJC ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: RS 5/17/69 [Les Irvin ] God's Playlist (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: God's Playlist NJC [Don Rowe ] Re: God's Playlist NJC [Don Rowe ] Re: God's Playlist NJC [Don Rowe ] Judy Collins Concert (NJC) ["Debra ROSS" ] down to you [Michael Bellavia ] Re: down to you [MGVal@aol.com] JoniFest Pictures!!! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] More on Robert Downey Jr. and "River" [LasaterJ@aol.com] RE: Absoluetly Fabulous ["Eric Wilcox" ] NJC Interesting Perspective on Florida mess [PPeterson4@aol.com] Re: Mini-me Joni Fest at MG's NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: JoniFest in LA??? [JRMCo1@aol.com] Folkscene benefit [Steve Dulson ] Re: JoniFest in LA??? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Great new children's music cd! (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" Subject: november 29 njc very special day folks! very special indeed...fasten your seat belts because this is gonna be one deafening birthday greeting if there ever was one: so.... getting ready.... GOOOOOOOO!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY JIM JOHANSON!!!!!!! and now back to my normal very unassuming ways. wallyK, birthday fairy with lungs [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:22:08 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: God's Playlist NJC > sang in camp choirs, really? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 03:29:49 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Jazz, anyone? NJC, NEC, USA content Here's a new label- NEC. Unfortunately, not all posts are going to have Election Content, so I've taken to labeling my posts that are lacking. Hope that all can accept the occasional NEC post. :) Anyway, PBS tv will be unleashing a special on Jazz in January. I snipped this from www.sonicnet.com after Anne suggested checking out the site: > Like an approaching musical tidal wave, filmmaker Ken Burns' astonishing multimedia project, "Jazz"  19 hours of video, 28 CDs, 10 DVD discs and a lavishly illustrated 490-page book  is already beginning to inundate the eyes and ears of the land, two months before the premier PBS telecast on January 8. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 01:37:04 -0800 From: Lance Michel Subject: A Friendly Visitation..........Howdy.....:-) [EL]--Now what's all this I hear about 'Pissing on Someone's Lawn'.......I don't think that's right!.....I mean people spend lots of time making their lawns nice and..... [moderator]--Ah, Miss Latella, That's "Hissing of Summer Lawns" it's a Joni Mitchell album..... [EL]--Ohhhhh, that's different....Neeeeeeever miiiind....:-) - -----I think I was just visited by Gilda's Ghost... What an honour and a treat....:-) G'Knight Y'all...... Peas.......Sir Lance - -- Lance A. Michel: - -There are as many shades to reality as there are windows unto the soul- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 06:49:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: God's Playlist NJC naughty naughty colin! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de catman Enviado el: Miircoles, 29 de Noviembre de 2000 06:22 a.m. Para: Vince Lavieri CC: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; IVPAUL42@aol.com; notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu; kate@katebennett.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: God's Playlist NJC > sang in camp choirs, really? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 03:56:32 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: God's Playlist NJC I'm sure that God has infinitely more favorites than I could possibly name. After all, He knows not only was has already been played, but surely all that will be played. Anyway, He might consider these on His playlist: Judy Collins' rendition of "Amazing Grace" and Ms. Aretha Franklin doing "Spirit In the Dark" Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:26:19 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Absolutely Fabulous Eric wrote: > I was just watching one of my Absolutely Fabulous tapes-- and I was very > surprised to see a very stoned Patsy chime out "The Hissing of Summer > Lawns..." Which episode, from which series? I've watched them all over and over again, and don't remember this? I'm certainly not saying you're wrong, but obviously I'm going to have to watch it again! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:27:51 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: november 29 njc In a message dated 11/29/00 4:17:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << ery special day folks! very special indeed...fasten your seat belts because this is gonna be one deafening birthday greeting if there ever was one: so.... getting ready.... GOOOOOOOO!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY JIM JOHANSON!!!!!!! >> Yes, Happiness Jim doesn't get old :~) Thanks for keeping Joni Mitchell.com up and running... Much Love, Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:33:30 -0500 From: BarBearUh Subject: Re: criticism NJC (grinch) Evian wrote: > UGH, GAG, PUKE, BARF, EYE-ROLL, EYE-ROLL, EYE-ROLL..... GIMME A FUCKING > BREAK! LOLOLOLOL!!! It's the frigging Grinch, not Das Boot, so why the > constant hoo-ha... and damnit, I am gonna post that tonight if I keep > feeling fiery! if you understood my post, i was not talking about the grinch, i was responding to jim more generally about other movies, ron howard, apollo 13, tom hanks, etc... and i can get into a good silly kids movie any day of the week, i just thought "grinch" was a bad stupid kids movie. i'd also prefer that you poke fun of me on list - you may have accidentally posted this to the list, but i'm not amused that you're discussing my views out of context elsewhere. i can also take a good punch any day of the week. barbara np: tom waits, big time ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:02:47 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (NJC) (md) In a message dated 11/28/2000 11:22:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << He is not a "criminal" and does not belong in prison. >> Lets call him the Daryl Strawberry of acting. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:47:50 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (NJC) In a message dated 11/29/00 2:22:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << I was so bummed when I heard the latest news. Damn. Like Bob, I also read the very revealing Vanity Fair article a couple months ago and there may be a lot of insight there. He is not a "criminal" and does not belong in prison. He definitely needs help and yet so many have tried to help him. I wish I knew of an answer for him. He is such an incredible talent and really seems to be of no harm to anyone but himself - this is very sad. >> What's ironic is that I watched "Less than 0" last night on HBO. At the end he dies from his addiction. I lost it. I agree that nonviolent drug abusers do not belong in our prison system. If Downey is convicted, he could face a maximum of 6 years, 8 months behind bars. God damn the pusher man. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:15:59 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: RS 5/17/69 hi everyone! just wanted to mention that a friend of mine TOTALLY surprised me for my birthday with a wonderful gift: from e-bay, he got me a copy of the May 17, 1969 issue of Rolling Stone, with a BIG picture of joni's face on the cover. and her hand. it's not the most flattering picture, for sure... and the funny part is that the headline is "the swan song of folk music." the article on her is pretty funny also...rambling talk about "miss mitchell" and some movie she was commissioned to write (on "anything i want") and how isn't it great that she "writes AND sings her own songs" and some stuff about david crosby. it's right next to an article on judy collins. is this article something everyone has already read? is it on the website(s)? (i don't have internet access, or rarely.) anyway, i was touched and excited by this sweet gift. i've never owned any "memorabilia" before...nor have i ever gone to the e-bay site (hey, maybe my friend bought this from one of you all!?). anyway, i'd be happy to transcribe this for the list, or for someone(s) off list, if anyone is interested. - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:28:19 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Creed and Christian Anything NJC In a message dated 11/29/00 1:06:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, cjenkins@austin.rr.com writes: << To discount "Christian music" because it is Christian music is saying you discount listening to Bach, looking at a Van Gogh or Rembrandt because they were "Christian artist". You get the point. >> this is actually a very good point and it helps me define a thought better. what i dislike is not christian music but rather radio stations that will only play what they deem to be christian music. in the broad picture, i listen to christian music all the time. but i don't listen to christian radio stations. and i also don't like morning drive shock jocks either. i've come to like cd's the best. patrick np. g. winston-december ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 06:41:35 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Christian Music and RD Jr. (NJC) It's hard for me to draw the line between Christian music and Gospel music (if there is a line, a borderline) - does anyone care to elaborate? I love Gospel music, especially the Staple Singers ("You Don't Knock") and anything by the great Mahalia Jackson. I also read the "Vanity Fair" article about Robert Downey Jr. I have always been mightily impressed by his talent, "Restoration" is one of my favorite films. I've been praying for him lately, "Please let's not lose another great talent to drugs!" I was thinking, perhaps David Crosby could step in to assist as he did for Drew Barrymore - or send him off to Eric Clapton's rehab clinic in Antigua. It's obvious that abstaining from drugs is not the answer for Robert, but getting to the root of his emotional pain is - and that's the hard part. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:41:53 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (NJC) In a message dated 11/29/00 2:22:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << He is such an incredible talent and really seems to be of no harm to anyone but himself - this is very sad. >> i didn't see him sing river. i did see him on the show several weeks ago and i didn't know who he was. but i knew at the end of the show, he was very talented. after the show was over i thought...who was that guy who played the shrink...he was really good. like one of the best i've seen on that show. a perfect fit. the only thought i had alisone about why he went to the hotel to do his drugs is that maybe there was someone in his home whom he didn't want to see or know what he was doing. people really are powerless over their addictions and it is very sad indeed. patrick np. meshell - faithful ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:01:18 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: God's Playlist NJC At 10:34 PM -0500 11/28/00, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << so I guess I am asking: what do others suggest for five or ten songs for > God's playlist on HIS (sic) radio station?>> "Jesus Built my Hot Rod," by Ministry! Duh! :) NP-Neil Young, Harvest - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:14:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (NJC) Alison wrote: > this is such a sad and bizarre situation, because i > really like RDJr. as an actor as well. but what the > hell could he possibly be thinking? he alledgedly > went to a hotel, with drugs (high as kite already), > and got busted. why wouldn't he just go home, or to > a friends house to use? In therapy terms, it's known as a "cry for help." Lori in DC Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:07:57 -0500 (EST) From: Kay Ashley Subject: Flea and other genuine freaks (NJC) IVPAUL42@aol.com WROTE: Subject: Re: Red Hot Chili Peppers NJC In a message dated 11/28/00 9:20:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << Flea even plays naked sometimes! Now that's gotta be worth something, doesn't it? >> >It simply means he's another cheap Jim Morrison impersonator. - ------ Paul, I must beg to differ. I like the Peppers, not crazy about them, but I think that Flea is a great musician and inarguably the best musician in the group. There would be no RHCP without Flea. I also appreciate him because I think he's a genuine freak, not a poseur (whereas I think Anthony Keidis is a bit of a poseur, and the Jane's Addiction guitarist they had for a while is without a doubt one of the worst poseurs ever to defile a stage). And genuine freaks are what make pop music so interesting. Other genuine freaks: Janis Joplin, Hendrix, Tori Amos, Henry Rollins, and Kurt Cobain to name but a few. I suppose Jim Morrison could be considered a genuine freak, but freakiness notwithstanding, I have to say that I find The Doors one of the most overrated bands ever. I dare say that they would not have nearly the legacy they do were it not for Morrison's premature and mysterious death. And, just because someone is weird enough to wear a tube sock on his willy does not a cheap Jim Morrison impersonator make. I rather think that Morrison was a cheap impersonator of himself. Kay np: the absurd sounds of cubicle land ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:07:34 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: Absoluetly Fabulous Series Three-- Episode 2-- "Fear". Saffy moves out to college-- and so Patsy and Edina are getting high freely in the upstairs bathroom. Patsy leaves the room while Edina talks to Saffy-- and when she comes back, she sings that line. This is just before the two decide to part ways-- its just before the finale episode. I love this show. ;) eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: Blair Fraipont [mailto:jahwaka80@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 6:27 AM To: edwilcox@students.wisc.edu Subject: RE:Absoluetly Fabulous What episode is that? blair ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:10:11 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: God's Playlist (NJC) -- long Hi Ashara, Marcel and all, I read the recent posts of Christian music with great interest. Christmas carols are playing in the malls. The nation that trusts in God still hasn't figured out who is president. So, what better time for one of Harper Lou's bimonthly rants that will surely have something to either inspire or inflame everyone on the list! First, I wouldn't think that God would be so vain only listen to songs with His name in them, although I'm sure that He would be a little flattered when Paul Simon says that his "One Trick Pony" moves like "God's immaculate machine." To me, any music that uplifts the soul would please God. Inspiration and faith can be strengthened in many ways, by a tongue in cheek song like "Mercedes Benz," by a song like "Same Situation" in which Joni Mitchell wonders who is hearing her prayers, or even by songs that criticize certain religious establishments or dogmas from Joni's "Tax Free" to a whole handful of John Lennon and Bob Dylan songs. People can be drawn to God by so many different types of music. Joy is a part of life. And music that brings joy, or elevation, or even contributes to the search of joy, is going to give us life. Almost every worthy musician in history has performed a hymn, written a hymn, incorporated a hymn into a work, etc. Elvis and Judy Collins recorded standard hymns. Paul Simon, Joni and John Lennon wrote their own "hymns" that uplift the soul -- "Bridge Over Troubled Water," "Shadows and Light," "Imagine." The list is endless. Music is a tool -- it can march people to war and pace their work, it can comfort during grief, it can move us to dances of great joy and celebration, it can sell products, it can teach and aid memorization, it can affect the mindset of entire populations, it can seal romances and heal heartbreaks. So any musician with a soul is going to discover quickly that music can connect us with God. And every musician is going to have to reckon with the fact that the tool they use does connect people spiritually. Most popular recording artists start mentioning God or spirituality very early in their careers. David Bowie believed in the power of God on his very first album, James Taylor asked Jesus to look down upon him on his first hit, Bessie Smith's God blessed the child almost every time she performed. The "genre" of Godly music has been around as long as there has been music. Remember those Psalms of David? Those Bach masses? The first radio gospel broadcasts? There is very little music that doesn't praise God or life in some way. (I'm sure Marilyn Manson feels really stupid that he hasn't figured it out yet, and he wears those opaque eyeball covers to hide his shame.) Naturaly, in our commercial society, there are several distinct Christian markets out there -- people are in business to make Christian music just as people are in business to print Bibles or as people make kosher foods available in supermarkets. People who worship are also consumers. So, there's nothing wrong with a "market" that caters to people's religious needs. After hearing some of the horrific, soul murdering music that some people are making, I'm certainly glad that there is a good strong commercial market for Christian music. We desperately need it. I drove my girlfriend's teenage son on a five-hour trip to Lake Ontario this summer. He wanted to listen to his Marilyn Manson CDs, and of course I pride myself on being open minded so in order to prove how cool I was, I said it was fine with me. After about three hours, listening to those words made me feel dark and dismal and dismayed -- as if I was caught in a powerful whirlpool of human destruction, despair and decay. I thought about it, and I realized that some of the music of my generation was just as destructive and depressing. Even though I liked the sound of certain Grateful Dead or Ozzy music, the lyrics of some songs still make me shudder. It isn't the style of music -- heavy metal, rap, bluegrass, opera can all be inspiring. It is the content of the music and its effect that are important. Likewise, some hymn or God songs don't appeal to everyone. The Christmas carol "Lo How a Rose E'er Blooming" just grates on me even though the words are about as holy as you can get. And songs that some very conservative religious folk would condemn can be uplifting. I'm sure God would approve of Don McLean's lyrics that compare the loss of a great musician with the Father, Son and Holy Ghost taking the last train for the coast. God's list of favorite songs? I think it would be just as diverse and wide-reaching as the people who sing the songs. I also hope that people on the list remain open to the concept of "Christian" music -- Christianity has a bum rap because of a few overzealous right-wingers. As a result, by inference, people who believe strongly in God or people who make music that directly praise God are thought to be narrow minded and negative. Nothing could be farther from the truth. There have always been zealots and fanatics who made believers of any religions look bad. And some religious principles of certain groups, whether Jewish, Christian, Islam, etc., aren't popular with everyone. But, for over 5000 years, God's believers, and their music, have done more to promote love among people, nonjudgmental acceptance, equality, humanity and forgiveness than any other force in the world. God built those things right in, you know. If the music makes you feel good about yourself, about others, or lifts your spirit, chances are it's on God's playlist. Who knows, God could be snapping his fingers and tapping his foot to just about anything. Although I'm absolutely sure Stevie Wonder, Mahalia Jackson and Joni Mitchell are His favorites. Harper Lou PS: to any of you who are going to take issue with the fact that I called God "He," please adapt my referral to God in any way you need so that it coincides with your own personal adaptation of the concept of God. I don't know if the supreme being has a gender. Standard English uses Mankind to include all men and all women. My Bible uses "He" to refer to God. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:18:44 -0500 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Re: RS 5/17/69 >May 17, 1969 issue of Rolling Stone, That's my birthday!! Well May 17, 1970 :) Cheers, I love vintage magazines, too. :) Carol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:25:01 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: JoniFest in LA??? Count me in and keep nme posted! Michael Paz wrote: > Sounds like this could be REALLY fun! > Come on down! - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:41:51 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: God's Playlist (NJC) -- long If I can be so arrogant as to suggest what God's favourite music is, I would suggest that it is the music made when our spirit and mind are at peace. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:55:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: God's Playlist (NJC) <> Excellent job, Harper!! You can put me in the "inspired" category...I'd say that the piece was *divinely* inspired, but since I see that "schtick" so often, I'll refrain. ;~) << My Bible uses "He" to refer to God.>> Of course, we HAVE to anthropromorphize God...it's the only way we can understand the concept! One of the most interesting verses in the Bible is when God says "let us make man in OUR image"...to me this indicates an inclusiveness that trancends simple notions like human gender. Anyway, thanks for the "rant"...keep 'em coming! Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "My Love Is With You" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:01:42 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Jonispeak From a music review of Eleni Mandell in Out magazine: Despite kick-ass demo tapes played for the record industry powerheads and support from music scenemakers like Chuck E. Weiss, the star-maker machinery behind the popular song just couldn't be budged. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:15:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Christian Anything NJC folks, you should read SECOND COMING ATTRACTIONS by david prill, the author of SERIAL KILLER DAYS. both books are so funny. SCA is about a ''christian'' movie industry mogul and his competition's tactics to take over the market. i highly recommend david prill's books. wallyK np. g. winston-december ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:26:46 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: RS 5/17/69 (NJC) In a message dated 11/29/00 10:29:24 AM, janisc@mail.ptd.net writes: >May 17, 1969 issue of Rolling Stone, That's my birthday!! Well May 17, 1970 :) Cheers, I love vintage magazines, too. :) Carol >> Hi, Carol: That's my birthday, too. Except that I was 16 years old when that issue of Rolling Stone came out -- and a year or two away from discovering Joni's music. May 17 is also the birthday of Jordan Knight, Trent Reznor, Enya, Sugar Ray Leonard, Dennis Hopper, and the Ayatollah Khomeini, so we're in pretty diverse company! Take care, - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:40:29 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: Jim Johanson's Birthday Happy birthday Jim and many thanks for your loving work on jm.com. I still recall meeting you in Saskatoon with much fondness. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:58:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: RS 5/17/69 (NJC) i always found the Ayatollah Khomeini exceedingly handsome. how weird one can be... wallyK, np: michael paz: EDITH, jonifest 1999 finale - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Miircoles, 29 de Noviembre de 2000 01:27 p.m. Para: janisc@mail.ptd.net; ekg200@is5.nyu.edu; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: RS 5/17/69 (NJC) May 17 is also the birthday of Jordan Knight, Trent Reznor, Enya, Sugar Ray Leonard, Dennis Hopper, and the Ayatollah Khomeini, so we're in pretty diverse company! Take care, - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:26:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 29 1975: Melody Maker today reviews Hissing, saying "...I confess it is difficult. Always a lyricist of exquisite subtlety, preferring to suggest rather than interpret meanings, she has devised a delightful torture." Read the rest at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/751129mm.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:17:21 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Christian Music and RD Jr. (NJC) (snip) >I also read the "Vanity Fair" article about Robert Downey Jr. I have >always been mightily impressed by his talent, "Restoration" is one of my >favorite films. I've been praying for him lately, "Please let's not >lose another great talent to drugs!" (snip) >Leslie I remember seeing this RDJ movie in like '96, 'Two Girls And A Guy', with Heather Graham and Natasha Gregson Wagner and directed by James Toback (I think). In one scene RDJ plays a happysad little rhapsody on a grand piano, kind of like Bill Evans by Keith Jarrett with less self conscious technique. I stuck around during the credits to see who composed this little ditty, and it was RDJ hisself. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:59:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: God's Playlist NJC Vince wrote: > And that sparks my thoughts on just what God *would* > program... "Tax Free" by JM. Lori in DC Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:01:44 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: RS 5/17/69 At 07:15 AM 11/29/2000, emily wrote: >is this article something everyone has already read? >is it on the website(s)? Yes! It can be found here, picture and all: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/690517rs.cfm Les NP: Richard Thompson "How Many Times Do You Have To Fall" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:33:20 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: God's Playlist (NJC) I used to listen to a lot of "contemporary Christian" music in the early '80s - that's when I discovered the phenomenal Phil Keagy. After awhile, I realized that the message of most of the songs was "I love God, God love's me, life is wonderful!" I view being a Christian (and possibly any religion?) as a process, rather than as a state, and these songs did not address that. What a relief to discover folkie Bob Franke about 10 years ago. While a Christian, and writing from a Christian perspective, his songs are full of doubt, confusion and fear, as well as hope and wonder. The death of friends, the deaths of relationships, the search for healing. He is one of the most talented and insightful people on the folk scene. His best known song (surely on God's playlist) is "Thanksgiving Eve", covered by many people, the chorus of which is: What can you do with your days But work and hope Let your dreams bind your work to your play What can you do with each moment of your life But love 'till you've loved it away Love 'till you've loved it away. Steve (still real sleepy after the benefit last night - review to follow.) - -- ########################################################### Steve Dulson PsiTech, Inc Fountain Valley, CA steve@psitech.com (714) 964-7818 http://www.psitech.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:38:02 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: God's Playlist NJC Please consult Larry Klein for a complete program of My Playlist. God ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:37:55 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: God's Playlist NJC Please consult Larry Klein for a complete program of My Playlist. God ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:40:36 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: God's Playlist NJC Please consult Larry Klein for a complete program of My Playlist. God ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:59:00 -0500 From: "Debra ROSS" Subject: Judy Collins Concert (NJC) Just wanted to let everyone know that PBS in New York will be airing on 12/4 at 8:00 Judy Collins in concert. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:21:30 -0500 From: Michael Bellavia Subject: down to you i am new to this list so bear with me. i am looking for any critical review of joni's song 'down to you'. please let me know of any sources of informaiton. either joni's own interpretation of the lyrics and the sentiment behind it or some published analysis of the song. if none exists, feel free to give me your own brand of dime store wisdom about the song. i am thinking about sending it to someone as a gesture because i think the lyrics are beautiful, but i am a little hung up on the 'it all comes down to you' bit. i am not sure how to read it. i don't want to send it if it's trying to say that everything about me hinges on you. that would be a bit much. the relationship is only a couple months old and is in a rocky stage right now. by sending it, i could almost be putting the nail in the coffin if its interpreted incorrectly. also bear in mind, the person receiving the lyrics is not a joni fan and likely never heard the song, so think of it from a fresh perspective. thanks. - -michael. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:57:05 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: down to you In a message dated 11/29/00 11:44:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, mbellavia@concreteinc.com writes: << f none exists, feel free to give me your own brand of dime store wisdom about the song. i am thinking about sending it to someone as a gesture because i think the lyrics are beautiful, but i am a little hung up on the 'it all comes down to you' bit. >> Welcome to the list, Michael! There's nothing like being home with a sick kid to get one sitting at the computer to pontificate up a storm. I've had "Court and Spark" on my turntable for weeks now, jogging to most of the songs on that disc. "Down to You" remains one of my favorites, especially when juxtaposed against "Just Like This Train." Here's my take on the "down to you" line as simply that: it's "you." You and your actions, you and your choices. You and your willingness to take responsibility for your happiness, your progress, your ability to find and indulge in unconditional love. It can sound like a gauntlet to lay down the line: "it all comes down to you," but from my perspective, it's a wonderful sort of freedom. A freedom to evaluate things from a position where, within the crawling, you know that you can fly, too. And the music is pretty darn purty, too. As for sending this to a new lover, is there some sort of message you wish to convey to him/her? Why wrap it in a song where interpretations can run from A to Z? If it is a rocky time, why not just be direct and clearly articulate your feelings instead of serving them up in beautiful lyrics that can mean anything? If it's just the beauty of the lyrics you are wanting to send, I'd like to get it with the music written for the song, especially the long instrumental part in it. It works so lovely as a whole. Oh, oh, MC's starting to gush, time to medicate! Welcome again and let us know how things turn out, MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:54:44 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: JoniFest Pictures!!! This couldn't have arrived at a better time. Missing you all terribly! Thanks Ashara for the pictures of John Van Tiel and myself, also the one of me, Paz, MG, Alison and Joe from RI. Again, thanks for the fond memories. Much Love, Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:43:32 EST From: LasaterJ@aol.com Subject: More on Robert Downey Jr. and "River" Sorry if somebody else has already said this, but there's going to be an Ally McBeal Christmas-themed album featuring a full-length version of Robert Downey Jr's version of "River." I believe it comes out this week or next. - -John in NC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:55:45 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: Absoluetly Fabulous hmm... noticed a mistake. Series three episode *5*. Its the end of the middle episode on the last video tape. :) eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Eric Wilcox Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:08 AM To: hell@ihug.co.nz; Blair Fraipont Cc: JMDL Subject: RE: Absoluetly Fabulous Series Three-- Episode 2-- "Fear". Saffy moves out to college-- and so Patsy and Edina are getting high freely in the upstairs bathroom. Patsy leaves the room while Edina talks to Saffy-- and when she comes back, she sings that line. This is just before the two decide to part ways-- its just before the finale episode. I love this show. ;) eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: Blair Fraipont [mailto:jahwaka80@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 6:27 AM To: edwilcox@students.wisc.edu Subject: RE:Absoluetly Fabulous What episode is that? blair ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:27:20 EST From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: NJC Interesting Perspective on Florida mess A perspective on the elections > > >Individuals often twist perspectives and convince themselves of their own >self serving realities. But simple facts are just facts. Few escape >that little box of political bias. > > >A Zimbabwe politician was quoted as saying that children should study the >presidential election closely for it shows that election fraud is not only >a >third world phenomenon: > >1. Imagine that we read of an election occuring anywhere in the third world >in which the self-declared winner was the son of the former prime minister >and that former prime minister was himself the former head of that nation's >secret police (cia). > >2. Imagine that the self-declared winner lost the popular vote but won >based >on some old colonial holdover (electoral college) from the nation's >pre-democracy past. > >3. Imagine that the self-declared winner's 'victory' turned on disputed >votes cast in a province governed by his brother! > >4. Imagine that the poorly drafted ballots of one district, a district >heavily favoring the self-declared winner's opponent, led thousands of >voters to vote for the wrong candidate. > >5. Imagine that the members of that nation's most despised caste, fearing >for their lives/livelihoods, turned out in record numbers to vote in >near-universal opposition to the self-declared winner' candidacy. > >6. Imagine that hundreds of members of that most-despised caste were >intercepted on their way to the polls by state polic operating under the >authority of the self-declared winner's brother. > >7. Imagine that six million people voted in the disputed province and that >the self-declared winner's 'lead' was only 327 votes. Fewer, certainly, >than >the vote counting machines' margin of error. > >8. Imagine that the self-declared winner and his political party opposed a >more careful by-hand inspection and re-counting of the >ballots in the disputed province or in its most hotly disputed district. > >9. Imagine that the self-declared winner, himself a governor of a major >province, had the worst human rights record of any province in his nation >and actually led the nation in executions. > >10. Imagine that a major campaign promise of the self-declared winner was >to >appoint like-minded human rights violators to lifetime positions on the >high >court of that nation. None of us would deem such an election to be >representative of anything other than the self-declared winner's >will-to-power. All of us, I imagine, would wearily turn the page thinking >that it was another sad tale of pitiful pre- or anti-democracy peoples in >some strange elsewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:43:08 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Mini-me Joni Fest at MG's NJC Count me in, MG and Nikki. Can't hardly wait. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:01:31 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: JoniFest in LA??? > This sounds great. Can we get more info on this place, Kakki? I am planning on making the trip down the sunny coast of California to join in. I'm looking forward to seeing Joni and Nastassja Kinski while I'm in town and would love to eat at Les Deux again. I'll take pictures for you, Rose. :-) - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:26:18 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Folkscene benefit I've written a review of last night's show. I'm reluctant to mail it to the list as it is totally NJC and quite long - I have to leave you guys room for all the political discussion! (wicked grin) If anyone wants to read it, give me a shout off line. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:02:42 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: JoniFest in LA??? In a message dated 11/29/00 7:23:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, JRMCo1@aol.com writes: << I'm looking forward to seeing Joni and Nastassja Kinski while I'm in town and would love to eat at Les Deux again. I'll take pictures for you, Rose. :-) -Julius > You're a riot Julius rj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:04:19 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Great new children's music cd! (NJC) Some of you have met my girlfriend Holley, in New Orleans at PazFest, or othewise...I wanted to finally put in a plug for her new children's music cd, Sunnytime Soup, now that her website is up and running. Her cd is entitled Sunnytime Soup and she wrote or cowrote all of the songs and produced the whole project on her own record label, Kiddycat Records. Quite seriously, and I'm not being biased here, I think this cd is the best children's music album since Carole King's Really Rosie or Marlo Thomas Free to Be You and Me. There is really a variety of musical styles expressed including a remake of Melanie's hit , I've Got a Brand New Key(changed to I've Got a Brand New Pair of Rollerblades). The songs are very good, the musician are top notch, and the whole production was extremely professional. And I think anyone will enjoy listening to it regardless of their age. There's nothing hokey at all about it. Kids 10 and under would probably get into it the most(when they get older they kind of want to do their own thing) but definately visit the website and check it out. There is a link to Amazon if you are interested in getting a copy. T Thanks! Victor NP: Grateful Dead China Doll Winterland Arena 12/29/77 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:05:43 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: website for Sunnytime Soup(NJC) ooops...I forgot to list the website...here it is.... http://www.kiddycat.com Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:32:33 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Folkscene benefit review In a message dated 11/29/00 7:21:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << He next called Craig Doerge back to play "the first song we ever played together" - "Rock Me On The Water". Now, I confess to an occasional unfortunate wallowing in nostalgia, so you won't be surprised to hear that there were tears in my eyes during this one. To hear Jackson, 30 years down the road, ten feet away on the stage of the architypical LA club, playing one of my faves, with all the recording's piano fills in place, was a very moving experience. >> Sends chills down my spine. Thanks Steve for the review. Now if he would have played For Everyman or Doctor My Eyes, I would have been in tears. Steve, if were you able to take any pictures, please post them to Catgirl's site. I don't think she would mind. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:41:44 -0500 From: BarBearUh Subject: Re: christian music (just a little joni content) sorry, i forgot to keep track of who wrote this... > Van is also someone who has written a great deal of "Christian" music > ... > particularly on his albums Common One, Beautiful Vision, Avalon Sunset, > Enlightenment, Hymns To The Silence, A Sense Of Wonder, and No Guru, No > Method, No Teacher. i really love the more spiritual side of van. the songs "no guru, n.m.,n.t." and "tir na nog" from no guru are two of my favorite van songs. funny that this thread should come up because i'm currently working on a religious mix. i am not a religious person, but i do believe in spirit. the process of putting together a list of songs has made me realize that most of my top-of-the-list-favorite artists often write with biblical metaphors or threads - dylan, van, joni, daniel lanois, jane siberry, jeff buckley. the songs don't have to be purely faithful to theme - it only has to have a reference to make it in the door. this might be a little indulgent, but hey, we've seen the streets, it's not about the election & you can delete if you want... VA Bunny Berigan - all gods chillun got rhythm (big band legends) VA Peg Leg Sam - joshua fit the battle of jericho VA trib/weill - persuasions-o heavenly salvation VA gershwin ? finley quaye/it aint necessarily so VA Heritage ? get up shepard & follow VA Faraway So Close sndtrk VA tributes to cohen - lots Tori Amos ? god Joan Armatrading - water with the wine Louis - i hope gabriel likes my music Ella & Louis ? it aint necessarily so Arrested Development ? fishing for religion The Band ? the caves of Jericho Patricia Barber - mourning grace Adrian Belew - this is what i believe in, heaven's bed Black Hole Buddah ? god is a zipper Blues Traveler - save his soul, brother john Jeff Buckley ? hallelujah (also Cohen/U2), grace, eternal life, new years prayer Kate Bush ? song of solomon The Byrds ? turn, turn, turn David Byrne ? soft seduction (blame god), gates of paradise John Cale ? gideons bible Johnny Cash - why me lord, oh bury me not, redemption Nick Cave ? into my arms, idiot prayer (BD party ? big jesus trash can, mutiny in heaven), mercy seat, mercy, the good son, brompton oratory Sheila Chandra ? speaking in tongues Eric Clapton ? jesus coming soon, swing low sweet chariot, sinners prayer, presence of the lord, running on faith Bruce Cockburn ? get up jonah, the embers of eden Leonard Cohen ? the story of isaac, joan of arc? Concrete Blonde ? god is a bullet Elvis Costello ? gods comic, blame it on cain, god give me strength Crash Test Dummies ? god shuffled his feet Catie Curtis - forgiveness, do unto others Ani DiFranco ? amazing grace, adam & eve Lucky Dube ? rasta mans prayer Dylan ? Highway 61, with god on our side, man gave names to all the animals, 2x2, every grain of sand, knockin on heaven's door, gates of eden, three angels, father of night, lots on "saved", lots on "slow train coming" English Beat - sole salvation Eurhythmics - heaven Ferron ? testimony Aretha Franklin - border song, wholly holy, save me, angel, gospel album Gavin Friday ? eden Peter Gabriel ? passion tracks, blood of eden Grant Lee Buffalo ? Bethlehem steel, rock of ages John Hammond - 40 days and 40 nights, get right church, preachin blues Herbie Hancock ? it aint necessarily so (short interlude) Corey Harris ? just a closer walk with thee Emmylou Harris ? every grain of sand, prayer in open D, the maker, the pearl, my baby needs a shepard, hour of gold, all my tears PJ Harvey - my beautiful leah, the garden Jimi Hendrix ? the wind cries mary, angel, the gods made love Lauryn Hill - to zion, forgive them father, final hour Robyn Hitchcock - serpent at the gates of wisdom Innocence Mission ? mercy, every hour here, prayer of st francis Elton John - the border song (holy moses), tower of babel RLJ - altar boy, beat angels Daniel Lanois - amazing grace, the maker Dave Matthews Band - the last stop Curtis Mayfield - amen, people get ready, if there's hell we'll all go Loreena McKennitt ? dantes prayer Sarah McLachlan - into the fire, mercy, angel George Michael - praying for time, soul free Mindfunk - mama, moses & me Joni Mitchell - Love, slouching towards bethlehem, jericho, the sire of sorrow (jobs sad song), the priest, god must be a boogie man Van Morrison - rough god goes riding, no religion, lovers prayer, crazy jane on god, no guru no method, the masters eyes, st dominics preview?, listen to the lion?, others Meshell Ndegeocello ? adam, eve, grace, ecclesiastes, deuteronomy, mary magdalene, leviticus, god shiva, the way, faithful Youssou N'dour - adouna Neville Bros - brother john, amazing grace, with god on our side, will the circle be unbroken Poi Dog Pondering ? praise the lord, gods gallipoli (2 versions), al le luia Willy Porter - jesus on the grille Geoffrey Oryema - jok amako nyako (good samaritan) Pretenders ? hymn to her Prince - the cross, emancipation, saviour Queen - all god's people, delilah Red Hot Chili Peppers - shallow be thy game Lou Reed - power and glory REM - losing my religion Happy Rhodes ? ra is a busy god, Todd Rundgren - healer, miracle in the bazaar Michelle Shocked - God is a Real Estate Developer Jane Siberry ? begat begat, caravan (2 versions), wildwood carol, shir amami, adam & eve, temple, first word, last word. At the beginning of time, an angel stepped down, calling all angels Simon & Garfunkel? Nina Simone - suzanne (cohen) Bruce Springsteen ? adam raised a cain, the promised land Staples - jacobs ladder, samson & delilah, the lords prayer Sugarcubes ? deus Sunday all Over the World - kneeling at the shrine Sundays - god made me, life & soul June Tabor - Dives and Lazarus Timbuk 3 ? roamin cadillac church U2 ? in gods country Suzanne Vega - the Story of Isaac (cohen) Tom Waits - the fall of troy (dead man walking), way down in the hole, temptation Wild Colonials - Heaven & Hell Cassandra Wilson - solomon song Wire Train - tin jesus Stevie Wonder - jesus children of america XTC - jumping in gomorrah, dear god Neil Young - star of bethlehem ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #631 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?