From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #630 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 29 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 630 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Red Hot Chili Peppers NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Hissing of Summer Lawns [Heather ] God's Playlist NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Street Names / Christian Music (NJC) ["James L. Leonard" ] Community [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Joni looking sexy in the pool (NJC) [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] Re: God's Playlist NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Red Hot Chili Peppers NJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: God's Playlist [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: God's Playlist NJC [Jason Maloney ] Re: Red Hot Chili Peppers NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: God's Playlist NJC (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: God's Playlist NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Pronounce Jaco's name? ["Hell" ] Re: Pronounce Jaco's name? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: God's Playlist NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Pronounce Jaco's name? [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] Macy and OutKast + Some Joni [Michael Paz ] Have some sympathy.... (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Prancing Jaco [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Creed--Joni covers [Nancy ] But Beautiful (NJC) [Michael Paz ] JoniFest in LA??? [Michael Paz ] Nikki in LA (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: JoniFest in LA??? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Absolutely Fabulous ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: Creed and Christian Anything NJC ["Happy The Man" ] Re: God's Playlist NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: God's Playlist NJC (md) [jan gyn ] Re: Nikki in LA (NJC) ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:05:45 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Red Hot Chili Peppers NJC > plus they have an outstanding bass player whereas The Doors never had a > bassist at all! Yeah & Flea even plays naked sometimes! Now that's gotta be worth something, doesn't it? ;-) Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:21:36 -0500 From: Heather Subject: Re: Hissing of Summer Lawns Excellent purchase, Rose! I have been listening to "Shades of Scarlett Conquering" frequently in the car lately. I'm just hooked on this one now. Sometimes that happens to me with Joni's music .... just listening to one song over and over absorbing the lyrics and soaking in the music (such as when she uses her voice for layering sounds ... I don't know if I termed that correctly). I like the way Joni uses color as metaphor in her lyrics ... the cross over of painter into her music. Like Scarlett and "her blood red fingernails" or from Harry's House " yellow school of taxi fishes". Anyone else care to comment ? Heather At 12:27 PM 11/28/00 -0500, RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: >I went out this morning with no real destination in mind and I found myself >at Borders and strolled over to the music section. >There I was looking at all the new releases. James Taylor has one out. From >there I went to check out what Joni CD's they had that I didn't have. I wound >up buying Hissing of Summer Lawns. I use to own the LP. This has got to be >one of my all time favorite Joni albums. I can't believe I waited this long! >There were a few songs on there I have just been dying to hear. I couldn't >wait to hear "Shades of Scarlett Conquering." Couldn't help but remembering >Paz sing that one at Ashara's Friday night (JoniFest) Do you remember that >Michael? That was so beautiful man. > >Rose in NJ > >NP: Sweet Bird ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:03:21 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: God's Playlist NJC Losing track of who said what: some wise person said: > << "Christian music" is hard to define, but I know it when I hear it, and > immediately change the station. ;>) >> I used to do so always; now sometimes I leave it on. On rare occasions I even put it on. So much of so-called Christian music is just schmaltz (how many tacky and syrupy versions of some of the most covered hymns do we need...) and some of the new stuff has horrid theology and is almost dangerous to the thought process... but some of it is good. DC Talk was one of my favorites. And sometimes I like to sing along and complain about the horrid orchestrations when the old stuff is butchered one more time... ... but I also used to go to gospel music concerts as kid, sang in camp choirs, and loving music as I do, good Christian music - rare as it is - is a joy. And when the subject is hymnody, I can go on and on for hours, which I know will surprise everyone since I am usually so succinct and and not know for being opinionated... (that last clause was your free laugh of the day!) Some good looking person said: > > > I agree, and think it's mostly marketing to sell the stuff to the Flanders of > the world. Not sure what that means... "Flanders" Some soulful person said: > > > Here in Greenville, we have a couple of religious stations, WLFJ (With Love > >From Jesus), and another one that advertises itself as "HIS Radio station", > like God is in heaven trying to find something on the radio! :~) > The arrogance of some of these business things cloaked in religion is astounding, and humorous! HIS Radio Station... is God male? (no) is God a shareholder? Does God make up the play list? And that sparks my thoughts on just what God *would* program... my first thought was all Joni all the time (with the exception of "Lead Balloon") with the Magdalene Laundries heavy in the rotation as a little message to the listeners.. but then God would have to toss in Blind Faith's "Presence of the Lord" and then Janis Joplin's version of "Work Me, Lord" and her own song "Mercedes Benz" (God does have a sense of humor) and I know that God rocks out on Cream's "Crossroads" and would remind us that Clapton is not God but God is the source of that talent... so I guess I am asking: what do others suggest for five or ten songs for God's playlist on HIS (sic) radio station? With Love from Jesus, (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:07:06 -0500 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Street Names / Christian Music (NJC) Hi, all. I've been really skimming the digests of late, but wanted to mention Van Morrison's "Cyprus Avenue" and "On Hyndford Street" as song titled after street names. Van is also someone who has written a great deal of "Christian" music ... particularly on his albums Common One, Beautiful Vision, Avalon Sunset, Enlightenment, Hymns To The Silence, A Sense Of Wonder, and No Guru, No Method, No Teacher. The "Christian Music" album I wanted to mention, though, is titled In My Father's House, by Richie Furay. Richie is now, and has been for some time, the pastor of a church in Boulder, CO ... but was once the co-founder/guiding light of Poco, and before that, a founding member of the Buffalo Springfield. The arrangements sound *just* like classic, Good Feelin' To Know and Crazy Eyes-era Poco. Aside from the lyrics, it's like you never left. Richie is in *great* voice. I can't remember right this minute, but I'm pretty sure Rusty Young and George Grantham of Poco are on it, too. In any case, if you were ever a fan of Richie's, I highly recommend it ... Christian content or not. The album's only a year or two old, and is available via Amazon (and I assume CD Now, etc.). "Boston Jim" NP: Pat Metheny Trio, Live, "The Bat" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:03:51 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hissing of Summer Lawns In a message dated 11/28/00 9:38:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, luvart@snet.net writes: << I like the way Joni uses color as metaphor in her lyrics ... the cross over of painter into her music. Like Scarlett and "her blood red fingernails" or from Harry's House " yellow school of taxi fishes". Anyone else care to comment ? >> "She could see the blue pools in the squinting sun" from Hissing. I love this album so, especially "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow' You're dam right! I'm leaving on the 1:15 for California minifest LOL You're dam right! Rose in NJ who is feeling a wee bit rebellious tonight been listening to too much Hissing today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:22:08 +1100 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Re: The Peppers > < "behind the sun" they are only a three????>> > > Not to mention that they do great covers! :~) > > Their versions of Hendrix' "Fire" & Stevie's "Higher Ground" are very > propulsive, to say the least! The Peppers were struggling but had an > outstanding comeback with "Californication", which I have to dig out of my > son's room whenever I want to hear it. (It's my CD, but he 'borrows' it from > time to time). > > They don't hold up to comparisons with The Doors (not too many bands do), but > side by side with THEIR peers on the charts today, they are MOST excellent, > plus they have an outstanding bass player whereas The Doors never had a > bassist at all! > > Bob Oh... I must disagree here. I am one of the people who dislike Red Hot Chili Peppers! I find them overly mannered and abit of a put on; very much in the vein of Korn etc. It appears to be about 'looks' rather than content. I am more of a fan of Faith No More. I know we had a similar discussion regarding Korn awhile ago and the incomparable Mr. Yarbourgh pointed out that there's nothing wrong with bands having fun (sorry, paraphrasing here big time) and yes I do agree, but I guess certain bands, artists just irritate me. I adored Prince but I admit, come "Diamonds and Pearls" I just had enough. I guess there's a fine line between pretension and fun and I know it's all about personal preferences... mine happen to lean away from The Peppers. Vanessa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:33:47 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Community "J. Galt, Jr." wrote: > Test: How "liberal" is a liberal? Try disagreeing w/him/her. I can guarantee > you that you'll end up being labeled an "-ist" or "-phobe", e.g., racist, sexist, > homophobe, xenophobe, etc. Where logic ends, names begin. > > Sounds like we have a PC group here. > I totally disagree with this stereotype of all "liberals" and I'll call you friend. The most conservative person I know, I can "Dad" and I tell him I love him. I have many, many friends who have different political opinions than mine - I watched Gore last night on tv at the home of one of them, and we had a little give and take about it and then we laughed and went on to other things. So, stereotyping is unfair, and I could toss the phrase "Where logic ends, names begin." back to you, and I just have... for your consideration only. To steroeype "liberals" is name calling, and my friend, please don't. We do not have a "PC group" here if you mean something perjorative by that. The word "political" stems from the Greek word "polis" which means the city or the community (as in the term metroPOLItan). To be concerned for speaking with language that gives respect to all members of the community, to be politcally correct, seems a noble goal to me! There is no uniformity of opinion in the JMDL, no "PC group". Maybe for Galt's sake we should reveal again the great issues on which we differ so strongly: Blue vs FTR vs Hejira as the best Joni album (I am a Blue or NRH person myself) Dog Eat Dog: great album or horrible mistake? Who is Joni thinking of on any of the songs on Blue? Larry Klein: great musical genius or mad Russian on prozac? the Messiah: great oratorio or a horror of the baroque period? Joni: great artist with paints or merely acceptable? Maybe we should start arguing these again to show that there is total diversity of opinion in the JMDL... as we have argued these all in the past... and get our minds off other things. And where is Dr Sid these days, anyway? and maybe we should debate a whole new thread we haven't touched yet: who did let the dogs out anyway, and why? woof, woof, woof, woof, woof (I actually have three different versions of that song which I suppose classifies me as a Who Let the Dogs Out scholar!). (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:35:28 +1100 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Re: Joni looking sexy in the pool (NJC) > <> > > This is a pretty smarmy remark imo...a "nacissiistic" photo of the singer would be a photo of the singer admiring herself, right? This is just a photo of the singer, certainly not unusual by any means. > > Now if she had dozens of photos of her, it might border on narcissistic...critics seem to like to jab at Joni whenever they get the chance, probably because they know deep down in their hearts that they're not worthy to breathe the same air, and probably more to the point that they are jealous because she is a better writer (ESPECIALLY with HOSL) than any journalist I've ever read! > > Bob > > I do have to agree with you here Bob... is it to do with the time it was released? Now, it seems that every female recording artist on the charts has a booklet devoted to how sexy she looks in various skimpy, designer outfits... and the video clips are homages to their dietation, trainer and designer (I sahn't say plastic surgeon as that would be slanderous!). For the life of me, i wouldn't know one Toni Braxton & Jennifer Lopez song from another as she appears mostly nude in every clip I've ever had the misfortune of seeing. It just reinforces the idea that women need their bodies to sell their music. It's a shame that nearly every awards show is about what they wear/wore and not what they achieved with their work. It just appears that women are defined by their looks and not their talents. I know, I know there's nothing wrong with looking good and dressing up, and there's nothing wrong with people appreciating attractive people... it just seems that it's only about your looks and your body. Perhaps I'm feeling this way as I'm at a I-hate-my-body-and-looks stage of my life! I just watched the Blockbuster Awards last night and most women wore skimpy, bosom revealing outfits and the cameramen/producers were just having a ball! It became a game of who isn't showing her cleavage? I could only pick Drew Barrymore and Kathy Bates but then I missed a good portion of the show. I did however catch Ashley Judd's jugs, Selma Hayek's, Mariah Carey's etc. Sometimes I just feel that I'll never be more than my cup size. Vanessa Feeling a little Germaine Greerish. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:37:14 +1100 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Pronounce Jaco's name? Could someone please phonetically spell how you prance Jaco Pasterious's name? Vanessa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:28:49 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: God's Playlist NJC In a message dated 11/28/00 10:09:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << so I guess I am asking: what do others suggest for five or ten songs for God's playlist on HIS (sic) radio station? >> 1. My Sweet Lord- George Harrison comes to mind immediately... thinking of others, to be cont. - -Rose in post mode ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:27:38 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Red Hot Chili Peppers NJC In a message dated 11/28/00 9:20:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << Flea even plays naked sometimes! Now that's gotta be worth something, doesn't it? >> It simply means he's another cheap Jim Morrison impersonator. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:34:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: God's Playlist << Not sure what that means... "Flanders">> Ned Flanders is Homer Simpson's next-door neighbor...they are the sort of type that are easy prey for the marketers that would have you believe that Christians should only listen to & buy "Christian" music... << The arrogance of some of these business things cloaked in religion is astounding, and humorous!>> One of the reasons I profess to be a Christian is so that people will know that all of them act like that! << so I guess I am asking: what do others suggest for five or ten songs for God's playlist on HIS (sic) radio station?>> Well, surely "Love" would be there, as well as "The Sire of Sorrow". "Passion Play" is an obvious choice. "Dear God" from XTC if God wanted to strike up a little controversy, or "Chocolate Jesus" from Tom Waits. Keb Mo would be a popular artist as well, besides the fact that he plays and sings like a champ, he's got a couple of songs that would be in heavy rotation. I'd love for our church to sing a spirited version of "Get On Your Knees & Pray"... Lots of others...one of the joys of teaching Sunday School to 11th & 12th graders for a number of years was showing them the spiritual side of "secular" music, and especially sharing the poetry and beauty of Joni's songs. Bob NP: "Edith & The Kingpin", Birmingham England '83 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 03:35:42 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: God's Playlist NJC I'm not especially religious, but two great "Christian" bands are Jars Of Clay and Delirious? (a UK group). The latter have made two excellent albums. There is a track by them called August 30th which is absolutely gorgeous and very moving. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:41:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Red Hot Chili Peppers NJC << Yeah & Flea even plays naked sometimes! Now that's gotta be worth something, doesn't it? >> And when he's in a modest mood and wears a sock, it means that besides a concert you get a fun puppet show! LOL! Bob NP: You Dream Flat Tires, Birmingham '83 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:44:18 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: God's Playlist NJC (md) Rev. I loved your post. As spiritual a person as I am I will never get used to hearing songs about something as serious as Jesus Christ or God done to rock music or country for that matter. They make me puke to be perfectly honest. Of course that wont stop me from filing a list of "God" songs. Sire of Sorrow by Joni. My favorite line "Why do you crucify the Saints" Green Pastures by Emmylou harris w/ Dolly Parton doing the high harmony Jerusalem Tomorrow by Emmylou Harris The Pearl by Emmylou Harris Drop kick me Jesus through the goalposts of love by Buck Owens For all you alternative spiritualists out there Voodoo Child by Jimi. And in honor of that great american Al Gore who would lay down your life for his country the song of his personal religion sung to him by his mother when he was an infant: Look For That Union Label which of course was written in 1972. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:46:45 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: God's Playlist NJC << One of the reasons I profess to be a Christian is so that people will know that all of them act like that! >> OOps!! Meant to say so that people will know that NOT all of them... Looks like this is the night for goofs! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:48:19 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Pronounce Jaco's name? Vanessa asked: > Could someone please phonetically spell how you prance Jaco Pasterious's > name? Pas(t)-TORE-ee-us I think - and with a kiwi accent! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:49:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pronounce Jaco's name? << Could someone please phonetically spell how you prance Jaco Pasterious's name? >> Jocko Pass - Tore (accent on this syllable) - ee - us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:08:52 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: God's Playlist NJC Bob, I know what you meant, but what you wrote gave me real LOL! I was just thinking that if you had been one of the tweleve disciples, we wouldn't have any of the four books of the Gospels but a series of Jesus Covers and Contribution albums... which as I think about it, what an idea! (the Rev) Vince, posting again tonight since Bob said "this is the night for goofs! :~)" and I certainly am as goofy as they come! SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << One of the reasons I profess to be a Christian is so that people will know > that all of them act like that! >> > > OOps!! Meant to say so that people will know that NOT all of them... > > Looks like this is the night for goofs! :~) > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:11:02 +1100 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Re: Pronounce Jaco's name? Hell wrote: > Vanessa asked: > > > Could someone please phonetically spell how you prance Jaco Pasterious's > > name? > > Pas(t)-TORE-ee-us > > I think - and with a kiwi accent! > > Hell Did I really put prance? :-0 I went through all the trouble of spell checking and I now it seems I want to know about prancing Jaco! Vanessa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:24:23 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Macy and OutKast + Some Joni Hello All- Just wanted to write in and tell a story about running into Coco Robicheaux at the House of Blues Foundation Room the other night. I was out partying with a friend and we ran into him and talked for about an hour. He was telling me about the time he was living in San Fransisco and he says that Joni had a flat around the way from him. He said that her manager had shared a story with him about her coming in all excited one day about a tuning she had come up with and was very pleased with herself. I assume this was Elliott. But anyways, come to find out, it was standard tuning. I screamed with laughter. I don't know if the story WAS true or not, but i enjoyed nonetheless, especially told by the Tabasco swigging Coco, who is quite a character all on his own. Speaking of the House Of Blues, I was suppose to attend a Macy Gray concert there, but was hired for a very prestigious gig (by the House of Blues) to be Production Manager for a Dr. John concert in Mississippi. A friend of HOB threw himself a 40th Birthday party on the beach under a huge tent (in the pouring rain and terrible cold), so I had to work and missed the show. Alot of my buds went anyway and while I was well fed with Fresh Raw Oysters, Crab Claws, Shrimp, and an array of gourmet food and drink and wonderful music by the great Dr. John, everyone else rocked out to Macy at HOB. It might have been a conspiracy to keep me away now that I think of it. They say it was the concert of the year and very reminicent of Sly and The Family Stone era shows. Boo hoo. After that show was over, they had a late night show with OutKast and Macy stayed over and sat in with them and they claim it was over the top and a huge love fest between them. Sometimes this biz is infuriating. I get to see so much yet sometimes I miss so much too. Oh well just thought I would share in case Macy comes your way, DO GO CHECK HER OUT! Love Paz NP-My Antonia-Emmy Lou Harris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:27:20 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Have some sympathy.... (NJC) Anne wrote: "OUR Michael Paz! Saint Michael? Oh, I think not ;-)" Ahem! Please allow me to introduce myself I'm a man of wealth and taste... ... Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:39:07 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Prancing Jaco Vanessa, the concept of a prancing Jaco seemed so appropriate that it was a great word picture, not a mistake at all! (the Rev) Vince Evan + Vanessa Thomson wrote: > Hell wrote: > > > Vanessa asked: > > > > > Could someone please phonetically spell how you prance Jaco Pasterious's > > > name? > > > > Pas(t)-TORE-ee-us > > > > I think - and with a kiwi accent! > > > > Hell > > Did I really put prance? :-0 I went through all the trouble of spell > checking and I now it seems I want to know about prancing Jaco! > > Vanessa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:30:15 +0000 From: Nancy Subject: Re: Creed--Joni covers I bought the CD "Human Clay" by Creed quite awhile ago. I was driving with my sons, and one of the songs came on the radio (might have been "What If"). Some comments (which I can't remember) were made about my liking the music, and my older son said, "How can you understand the words?" I thought that was pretty funny, coming from a 13-year-old! ***************** I've been thinking about some of the discussion about other artists doing Joni's songs, and how they sound so different from hers. I'm not sure if it is expected that other musicians should try to sound just like her, or whether it's ok to go off track a little. It seems like there should be some room for variations, since Joni herself varies her songs quite a bit. When I hear the originals on her older albums (like Blue, for instance), I find myself wanting to sing the version from Miles of Aisles. While I really like the originals, I think it's fun to hear her having some fun improvising a bit. - --Nancy/IA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:38:08 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: But Beautiful (NJC) Rosalita wrote: "I wound up buying Hissing of Summer Lawns. I use to own the LP. This has got to be one of my all time favorite Joni albums. I can't believe I waited this long! There were a few songs on there I have just been dying to hear. I couldn't wait to hear "Shades of Scarlett Conquering." Couldn't help but remembering Paz sing that one at Ashara's Friday night (JoniFest) Do you remember that Michael? That was so beautiful man." I will never forget! And you were ONE of the treats of this years Topsfield Jonifest in NewBuryPort/Topsfield/Plum Island. That's the core of those fests for me, being able to share music Joni/and non-joni with so many great people. And of course the famous pic you took on the beach, I hope makes it to the album cover somewhere. But beautiful, Love Paz NP-Misty Mountain Hop-Led Zep on SonicNet Radio Station MichaelPaz Hi Anne! Thanks for reminding me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:50:17 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: JoniFest in LA??? Dulson wrote: "Kakki? Clark? Ken? Coyote Rick? Kate from Santa Barbara? Lindsay? I think it's time for a Joni gathering!!!! Will Nikki's visit coincide with the Paz-man's and NAMM show? Steve (off to the comparatively tiny Troubadour tonight to see Jackson Browne, Richard Thompson, Dave Alvin, Katy Moffatt, Van Dyke Parks and more at the Folkscene benefit - yay!)" The Rose wrote: "Take pictures Steve! Better yet, record it Steve ;~)" Then the Munchkin wrote: "I think that would be a great idea:-) And yup I will be there the same day as Paz! Look forward to meeting more JLDLers and seeing the ones I already know again!" Dulson (WOW THAT FOLKSCENE SHOW SOUNDS GREAT!!!!) It sounds like a grand idea to me. Kakki was talking about some really cool island getaway with cabins and such. I arrive LAX on the 19th at noonish and leave on Monday the 23rd around noonish. I will be renting a car (now probably a passenger bus) and would be happy to pick people up at the airport. Ever smiling Julius Mills is suppose to show up as well and it is rumoured that the famed Atty May will be making her LA MiniJoniFest debut as well. Come on SO. Cal. lets hear some ideas?? And HEY ROSALITA----WHY DON'T YOU COME RECORD IT??????? And MiniMe, BRING YOUR GEEETAR!!!!!" Sounds like this could be REALLY fun! Hey Kate Bennett we sure would like to meet you. Are you going to the NAMM show?? Come on down! Paz NP-Save Me-kd Lang Sonicnet radio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:38:43 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Nikki in LA (NJC) Here. I will be @ NAMM... >>>Kakki? Clark? Ken? Coyote Rick? Kate from Santa Barbara? Lindsay? I think it's time for a Joni gathering!!!! Will Nikki's visit coincide with the Paz-man's and NAMM show? Steve<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:27:49 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: JoniFest in LA??? In a message dated 11/28/00 11:59:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: << And HEY ROSALITA----WHY DON'T YOU COME RECORD IT??????? >> Oh God, you're are killing me Michael you hear that Julius, he's killing me Rosalita now in tears ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:39:50 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: Absolutely Fabulous I was just watching one of my Absolutely Fabulous tapes-- and I was very surprised to see a very stoned Patsy chime out "The Hissing of Summer Lawns..." I guess I do find something new every time. ;) eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:59:12 -0800 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Creed and Christian Anything NJC I appreciate Kate's post. From what I have read about the band they do not label themselves as Christian anything and actually put off by the label. They feel their relationship to anything spiritual is their decision and personal to them. My sons love Creed and I appreciate their lyrics. If you have not heard "My Own Prison" you might want to give it a spin. Great song with great lyrics. There are many bands that would label themselves as Christian, U2, P.O.D. (probably the most outspoken of all hot bands right now) MXPX. There are many artist that would be consider Christian artist and there inspiration came from that relationship they had with Jesus Christ. I too don't like much "Christian Music" (this is under a Christian label like Word Records, forefront, tooth and nail, etc.) and I judge this by having over a 1000 "Christian" cd's part of it is because of my job but part of it is because I like to here the passion in the voices of people who are trying to experience love at a different level. To discount "Christian music" because it is Christian music is saying you discount listening to Bach, looking at a Van Gogh or Rembrandt because they were "Christian artist". You get the point. If you are interested in listening to good Christian artist there are many that fall under that label and have their albums produced under them. Bands like Delirious, Sixpence None the Richer, Iona, Caedmon's Call, Switchfoot (personal favorite) and artist like Rich Mullins (d 1998), Jennifer Knapp, Maire Brennan (Enya's sister and lead singer of Clannard) etc. One of the blessings with the growth in Christian music industry in the last ten years is that opportunities are there for people to get record deals and move on to maybe other things. Peace, Craig ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 01:18:52 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: liberals? NJC J Galt Jr wrote: > >Test: How "liberal" is a liberal? Try disagreeing w/him/her. I can > >guarantee you that you'll end up being labeled an "-ist" or "-phobe", e.g., > >racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, etc. Where logic ends, names begin. Well why are you defining "liberal" by expecting kindness or compassion, necessarily? I am a very far leftist myself, but left and right are ideology not personality, and if you contradict someone's ideology you will soon find yourself labeled the "other." And that goes for so called "liberal" and so called "conservative" ideologies. I don't appreciate being called a dreamer, an idealist (at least the way it is intended in that context), ignorant, a bleeding-heart, etc any more than a "conservative" likes being called -ist or -phobe. To do either is to devalue and undermine the points that the person is making, and disenfranchise her/him by divesting him/her of power and legitimacy. So I don't see your point there. That is behavior engaged in equally by people all along the left/right continuum (and in any disagreement of any sort). And if you are thinking "but that isn't tolerant behavior by people who espouse tolerance"... Even people who espouse tolerance (or compassion) aren't always tolerant (compassionate). And as well, my tolerance/compassion might be defined differently from yours, etc (for example, "compassionate conservatives" who do actually consider themselves compassionate but whose ideology I would personally find far from compassionate.) A fun and interesting and wonderful little new book: The Very Persistent Gappers of Frip, by George Saunders. One of those not-quite-for-children-not-quite-for-adults, like Le Petit Prince. A fable for all. Go out and read it in your bookstore (it is pretty short and has great pictures and is very funny!) Cheers, - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:50:00 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: God's Playlist NJC Vince wrote: > The arrogance of some of these business things cloaked in religion is > astounding, and humorous! > > HIS Radio Station... is God male? (no) is God a shareholder? Does God make up > the play list? I enjoy the so-called Christian music but something does kind of tweak me, too, when I see it marketed as a "genre" or the fact that it seems to have to mostly be relegated to a proscribed "Christian" radio station. However, I am glad that there is an opportunity for it to flourish. > And that sparks my thoughts on just what God *would* program... my first thought > was all Joni all the time (with the exception of "Lead Balloon") with the > Magdalene Laundries heavy in the rotation as a little message to the listeners.. What!? "Lead Balloon" is a fine example of righteous anger in the face of oppression and corruption - Joni throwing the "money changers" out of the temple, so to speak ;-D > but then God would have to toss in Blind Faith's "Presence of the Lord" Oooo, yes. > and I know that God rocks out on Cream's "Crossroads" and would remind us that > Clapton is not God but God is the source of that talent... Right again. > so I guess I am asking: what do others suggest for five or ten songs for God's > playlist on HIS (sic) radio station? Seriously, most all of it, IMO. And great catch for Boston Jim for noting Van, who just overwhelmingly REEKS of spirituality in most everything he does musically, even if it is sometimes appears to come in a bad boy bluesman, sometimes wild and drunken package. The man has so much soul he scares me. Kakki, going to see the Van man at the Wiltern in January! Whoo hoo! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:56:10 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (NJC) Alison wrote: > this is such a sad and bizarre situation, because i > really like RDJr. as an actor as well. but what the > hell could he possibly be thinking? he alledgedly went > to a hotel, with drugs (high as kite already), and got > busted. why wouldn't he just go home, or to a friends > house to use? I was so bummed when I heard the latest news. Damn. Like Bob, I also read the very revealing Vanity Fair article a couple months ago and there may be a lot of insight there. He is not a "criminal" and does not belong in prison. He definitely needs help and yet so many have tried to help him. I wish I knew of an answer for him. He is such an incredible talent and really seems to be of no harm to anyone but himself - this is very sad. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:39:21 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Creed (snip) > "Christian music" is hard to define, but I know it when I hear it, and >immediately change the station. ;>) > >Paul I You and me both. - -jan "Thank God I'm an Atheist!" -Bunuel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:28:59 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: God's Playlist NJC (md) At 10:44 PM 11/28/00 EST, MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: (snip) >honest. Of course that wont stop me from filing a list of "God" songs. (snip) >For all you alternative spiritualists out there Voodoo Child by Jimi. (snip) >marcel deste How is Voodoo Child a 'God' song? 'Heroin' by VU is just as much a 'God' song. - -jan No offense, but you spiritual types will see your schtick manifest in just about anything. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:32:38 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Nikki in LA (NJC) Steve wrote: > Kakki? Clark? Ken? Coyote Rick? Kate from Santa >Barbara? Lindsay? I think it's time for a Joni gathering!!!! Will >Nikki's visit coincide with the Paz-man's and NAMM show? Looks like the party is happening down Anaheim way this year. I wish we could rent out a beach house for the weekend ;-) > (off to the comparatively tiny Troubadour tonight to see > Jackson Browne, Richard Thompson, Dave Alvin, Katy >Moffatt, Van Dyke Parks and more at the Folkscene benefit >- yay!) Arrr, Steve, I really wanted to be there, but I am over-buried in work these days and nights ;-( Please give us a review! Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #630 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?