From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #629 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 28 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 629 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Street Names NJC ["Ross, Les" ] Street Names ["Greer, Ron" ] Re: Don't Read This! - Craziness, NJC ["J. Galt, Jr." ] Re: U.K. elections (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long ["Hell" ] Re: U.K. elections (NJC) [catman ] Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long [catman ] Re: siresorrowNJC [catman ] Re: Bringing It All Back Home - JMDL style [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Christian Music (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Republicans vs. Democrats (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] How to listen to Joni all day long (vljc) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #628 [Bern44105@aol.com] Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions ["Garret" ] Red Hot Chili Peppers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Nikki in LA (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Camus and Joni [Mauski4648@aol.com] Re: Red Hot Chili Peppers xtian music njc [Siresorrow@aol.com] Hissing of Summer Lawns [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Nikki in LA (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Today in Joni History - November 28 [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Creed... (njc) [Don Rowe ] RE: Nikki in LA (NJC) ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: Camus and Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Today in Joni History - November 28 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Jim Johanson's Birthday [leslie@torchsongs.com] Re: Today in Joni History - November 28 [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Subject: Bringing It All Back Home - JMDL style NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Mini-fest in San Francisco??? ["Russell Bowden" ] RE: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long ["Wally Kairuz" ] oh puh-leeeeeze [evian ] Mini-me Joni Fest at MG's ["Nikki Johnson" ] OH DEAR GOD [evian ] RE: OH DEAR GOD ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Mini-me Joni Fest at MG's [RoseMJoy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:32:32 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Street Names NJC Has anyone mentioned : Kentucky Avenue - Tom Waits A more poignant and uplifting song I have never heard. Mind you, I have played it to lots of people and very many just can't get past the Waits voice. It's a kind of 'love it or loath it' sound. Gets me everytime. Les (London) NPIMH : 8.30 Weather Report - Jaco and the Voodoo Bass. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:45:47 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: Street Names hi did anyone mention "portobello road" (?lane) by cat stevens - amazing how one can suddenly get a blank. ive just run through the entire lyric in my head, & i can remember every lyric, - except whether its "road" or "lane" - but i think its road because theres a pregnant chad hanging off the "o" Paul I wrote "Christian music" is hard to define, but I know it when I hear it, and immediately change the station. ;>) the label "christian" music is basically to differentiate from traditional "gospel" music - which these days is more related to style than spritual content. "christian" music relates to songs which are straight out evangelical, or perhaps a personal reflection of the artists feelings regarding life in general, or frustrated musicians who cant make it in any other genre, or praise music, or solid rock'n roll from people who happen to believe in jesus, or people who were raised in church & just dont know any other life, or just plain crap ( here i am referring specifically to my opinion of bob carlyles "butterfly kisses" which is one of the very, very few songs which will cause me to "change the station") and can range from rap, to heavy metal, to blues, to folk, and even "gospel" there are lots of good christian artists out there. phil keaggy is one who springs to mind - he has made some of the guitar mags list of top 100 guitarists, and has released some very, very good albums. i would highly recomend him to any guitar music fan. other examples i can think of are phil driscoll, janny grein, andre de villiers, karen lafferty, susan ashton, margaret becker, and what about koinonia which has abraham laboriel on bass, and alex acuna ( rated by many as the worlds finest percussionist ) ok - i cant think of too many - but there some ... : ) even our very own james philips (a member of the michelle shocked list - i found the link to this group on his home page) plays in a church praise band........... perhaps you feel you have a good reason for "changing the station" but really it just sounds like the worst kind of blind prejudice. typically, i find that people shun christian music because they perceive christians in general to be harsh, judgemental & critical etc. so they respond in exactly the same manner & miss out on the genuine love and compassion,. which, while in very short supply most certainly does exist. "magdalene laundries" is a song that really touches me. it is so relevant to the church in so many aspects, and makes such a distinction between prejudiced christians (bloodless brides of christ) and christ - something which not many people who have been hurt by the church are prepared to do. in case youre wondering - no i dont go to church, or anything along those lines. i did spend two years at bible college after god touched my life & lifted my very heavy depression when i was on the brink of suicide. ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:02:50 -0000 From: "J. Galt, Jr." Subject: Re: Don't Read This! - Craziness, NJC The genius of the Founding Fathers was to include the states in the say of the republic (afterall that's what we are -- a republic: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands..."). If we lived in a true "democracy," we'd slip into "mob rule" of the most populated areas, i.e., the urban centers on the right and left coasts, making the "fly-over" states irrelevant. (How long do you think we'd survive as a country?) Regardless, whether you agree with this or not, the time to change the rules is *NOT* in the middle of or directly after an election, based on the fact that some don't like the outcome of the results. Work to change the system BEFORE the election. Once again, our country has survived because there is a rule of law, which, I know is disappointing to some, is not based on emotionalism. >From: "Kakki" >Reply-To: "Kakki" >To: "catman" , "Martin Giles" > >CC: "joni digest" >Subject: Re: Don't Read This! - Craziness, NJC >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:31:37 -0800 > >colin wrote: > > > Also, the USA and UHN have offered to over see 3rd world >country >elections. Those 3rd world countries have now >offered their assistance to >the USA. > >I've been trying to catch the non-U.S. media reports on the election and >they have been a refreshing change for me. I'm getting a huge kick >especially from the comments of leaders in the 3rd world countries. >Turnaround is fair play ;-) > > >It seems odd to me that the popular vote can be won by >one person and >yet >the other guy wins because of the >elctoral college. Seems to me that the >people don't count. > >People do count but there is an inherent logiistical problem in trying to >adequately count 100 million ballots in 50 states at the same time. I >think >the rules regarding hand-counting were previously thought to apply more to >small local races where there are only a few thousand votes at stake and >not >a national election. To hand-count millions of ballots would literally >take >months, if not years, to finish, in reality, so some kind of machine is the >only practical solution. As far as the Electoral College, it seems you have >a similar system (in concept) in the U.K. from what I've read. Not stating >this as the gospel truth, not having lived there, and I cannot articulate >this well, but I see an analogy where most of the London and most populous >urban areas is comprised of Tory party voters whereas most of the rest of >the country is comprised of Labour party voters. There is some balance in >place in the U.K.system where the Tories cannot always prevail simply >because they may have more people. The system weights the vote in a manner >to give the Labour constituents some equity in political power. The >popular >vote in the U.S. has not been completely counted because there are over 1 >million absentee/military votes nationally that they have not and usually >do >not bother counting after it is clear as to who won the electoral vote. I >would like to see those ballots counted. Another way to look at the U.S. >voting results is that 29 out of 50 states went to Bush, and approx. 2,600 >+ >counties went to Bush while 500 counties went to Gore. Some feel that >abandonment of the Electoral College would result in most of the states >becoming, in effect, colonies of New York and California. I did like the >joking idea of Queen Elizabeth taking us back - I've always wanted to spend >some time in the U.K. and would like to get a dual citizenship, too ;-) >Hope your rains let up. > >Kakki, returning to asbestos wrapped exile ;-) _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:12:27 -0000 From: "J. Galt, Jr." Subject: Re: Republicans vs. Democrats (NJC) I thought this list was supposed to be about the performing arts and artists but it seems to have devolved into something far more incendiary (and in cases more -- interesting). Test: How "liberal" is a liberal? Try disagreeing w/him/her. I can guarantee you that you'll end up being labeled an "-ist" or "-phobe", e.g., racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, etc. Where logic ends, names begin. Sounds like we have a PC group here. Later, Where's Galt's Gulch? >From: CarltonCT@aol.com >Reply-To: CarltonCT@aol.com >To: Siresorrow@aol.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Republicans vs. Democrats (NJC) >Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:50:10 EST > >I already responded to Patrick in private about his post, but I would like >to >apologize to all those on this list who voted for Bush for calling your >candidate a "f*cking idiot" in a moment of passion. Although my opinions >about Bush are unchanged, he does have some supporters on this list who >sincerely embrace this man and seem to admire him. Naturally, these folks >found my comment to be disrespectful to both Bush and themselves. > >- Clark > >NP: Pet Shop Boys - Actually _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:36:47 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long > I know it's easy to blame big industries for the quality of our air, there's > a LOT we can do at a domestic level as well. Sure it would be nice if the > Governments of every country would sort their shit out, and have some > uniform emission specifications across the world, but until that happens > (like every other environmental issue) it has to start with the individual. you are right, of course. Air ttravel doesn't help either. All that packaging(which is getting harder and harder to open) when you buy things, even food! > > > Hell - promising to take my own advice, and investigate public transport > more thoroughly! > > P.S. Also sorry for the rant! > ____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://www.nbls.co.nz - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:49:03 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Don't Read This! - Craziness, NJC I don't think your imprression of UK elections is accurate. we have 1 person 1 vote. There ae areas that are predominantly Labour or Tory but they are spread over Britain. Londond is HUGE. a samll part, Like Kensigton is Tory, but a gigger part, like Newham is Labour. It doiesn't work like you think. Scotalnd now has their own Parliament. During the Tory years, Scotland alwayd voted gainst them but alwayd eneded up with a Tory govt! Mind you we still have a Tory govt. It is just called New Labour now. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:10:49 -0000 From: "J. Galt, Jr." Subject: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long Why don't we all go back to living in caves? That way we can reverse the "forces of evil," i.e., global warming. Next we'll be fighting each other over which caves we get, but at least we'll have politically correct global weather. >From: catman >Reply-To: catman >To: Hell >CC: "Lori R. Fye" , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:36:47 +0000 > > > I know it's easy to blame big industries for the quality of our air, >there's > > a LOT we can do at a domestic level as well. Sure it would be nice if >the > > Governments of every country would sort their shit out, and have some > > uniform emission specifications across the world, but until that happens > > (like every other environmental issue) it has to start with the >individual. > >you are right, of course. Air ttravel doesn't help either. All that >packaging(which is >getting harder and harder to open) when you buy things, even food! > > > > > > > Hell - promising to take my own advice, and investigate public transport > > more thoroughly! > > > > P.S. Also sorry for the rant! > > ____________________________ > > "To have great poets, there must be > > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > > > hell@ihug.co.nz > > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > > http://www.nbls.co.nz > >-- >bw >colin > >colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk >http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:38:52 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: NJC - Elections The Top 15 Movies About the 2000 Election [ The Top 5 List www.topfive.com ] [ Copyright 2000 by Chris White ] 15> National Lampoon's Election 14> The Good, the Chad, and the Ugly 13> Dade and Confused 12> The Lyin' In Winter 11> The Unsure-ian Candidate 10> Al is in Blunderland 9> Poll Fiction 8> Hurl, Interrupted 7> Men Of "Your Honor" 6> The TerminNader 5> 102 Tabulations 4> Chaddyflak 3> We Still Don't Know Who You Voted For Last November 2> Grumpy Old Secretaries of State and Topfive.com's Number 1 Movie About the 2000 Election... 1> Mr. Goes to Washington [ The Top 5 List www.topfive.com ] [ Copyright 2000 by Chris White ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:32:18 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: U.K. elections (NJC) colin wrote: > I don't think your imprression of UK elections is accurate. >we have 1 person 1 vote. I need to study up more about it. I read the analogy comparing the U.S. Electoral System to the U.K. system in a British newspaper a few days ago. (forget which one). I don't mean to say you have the same system but rather that your system somehow spreads the power or tries to spread the power equitably amongst the parties. We do have a one person, one vote democratic system within our individual states, which are accorded a semi-sovereign status. We vote directly in our states for the governor, etc. But nationally we are set up as a republic of states and are not a pure democracy. It is usually never an issue, except in the rare, every 100 years elections like the current one and it's understandable that people tend to forget how it's set up. To make the country even more interesting, we have within it the Native American/Indian reservations which ostensibly are independent and self-governing sovereignties of their own. This is one of the reasons why many of the reservations are setting up Las Vegas style gambling operations. They have been repeatedly taken to court by the Federal government over this, but seem to be prevailing because they can cite to their independent status (which I think is very cool). Regardless of personal attitudes towards gambling, I like that they are asserting self-determination and thinking of ways to improve their circumstances after so many generations of poverty. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:51:25 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long J Galt wrote: > Why don't we all go back to living in caves? That way we can reverse the > "forces of evil," i.e., global warming. Next we'll be fighting each other > over which caves we get, but at least we'll have politically correct global > weather. This is/was a legitimate discussion about concerns a few of us have about the environment, the effect that we as a species have on that environment, and the methods we can take to minimise any of these effects which may have an adverse effect. If you don't like the discussion, refrain from posting on the subject. The sarcasm is not necessary. Thank you. Helen ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:36:02 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: U.K. elections (NJC) > To make the country even more interesting, > we have within it the Native American/Indian reservations which ostensibly > are independent and self-governing sovereignties of their own. This is one > of the reasons why many of the reservations are setting up Las Vegas style > gambling operations. They have been repeatedly taken to court by the > Federal government over this, Maybe the Feds need to remember that the land was taken in the first place from the native americans who are now afforded small patches of land. We Europeans did much harm worldwide. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:42:57 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long > If you don't like the discussion, refrain from posting on the subject. The > sarcasm is not necessary. oh let the boy have his digs. I am sure he finds it entertaining. > > > Thank you. > > Helen > ____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://www.nbls.co.nz - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:09:43 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: NJC: street names > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:06:09 -0800 (PST) > From: Alison E > Subject: Re: NJC: street names > To: Mike Hicks > a little confusion, here Mike. bob and i were talking > about the song "gulf coast highway" by (i believe) > nancy griffith. bob said he thought dave matthews > wrote it. he didn't, it was nancy. i do know patty > griffin, who i love, who IS phenomenal, and hopes one > day to be as good as nancy griffith. ;-) in my silly > humble opinion, of course. > take care, > alison, I totally agree. Nancy Griffith she ain't...yet. She has all the potential. Did you see NG on tour this year by the way? I saw her in Atlanta in July. She was fantastic. One of my all time faves. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:46:57 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: siresorrowNJC A lady wasn't involved, I swear. And our conversation was very reverential. You can count on that. An English gentlemen is always true to his word. michael w yarbrough wrote: > On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, catman wrote: > > > Every word we spoke was in the highest praise of everyone here. > > The lady doth protest too much, methinks. > > ;-) > > --Michael > > NP: Rakim, _The 18th Letter_ and _The Book of Life_ > Ella Fitzgerald, _Ella at Duke's Place_ > Sarah Vaughan, _Dreamy_ > > all on shuffle with the aforementioned EBTG... - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:36:25 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bringing It All Back Home - JMDL style In a message dated 11/28/00 1:02:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << This is just my humble opinion, but I feel that all this election talk has taken on a rather distasteful tone. >> I couldn't agree with you more, Les. On another note, Jim has an update on the Joni Mitchell.com site about Robert Downey Jr. singing the first verse of Joni's "River" song on Ally McBeal last night. Why not check it out? - -Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:43:08 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Christian Music (NJC) Ron wrote: << the label "christian" music is basically to differentiate from traditional "gospel" music - which these days is more related to style than spritual content. >> This Jewish Mama happens to count both Susan Ashton (which Ron also mentioned in his post) and Amy Grant, both coming under the label of "Christian Music," as some of her favorite singer/songwriters. Their music makes me get up and dance and sing!! I, as well as Joni, (Whoa!! I mentioned her name! Should I take off the NJC label?) hate the label thing. I like all kinds of music, and I don't give a rat's patootie what "label" it is under. Thoughts for a Tuesday morning as I am trying to catch up on "life" after getting the VideoTree off the ground.... Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:17:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long J Galt wrote: > > Why don't we all go back to living in caves? That > way we can reverse the "forces of evil," i.e., > global warming. Next we'll be fighting each other > over which caves we get, but at least we'll have > politically correct global weather. Hell responded: > If you don't like the discussion, refrain from > posting on the subject. The sarcasm is not > necessary. I chime in again (ding!): I welcome all responses, regardless of sarcasm. You all know that I live to rock the boat! ; ) I've been wanting to at least live in a tent for 20 years or more ... of course I (like most Americans and probably others from many other countries) am too selfish about my creature comforts to give them up easily, especially as I grow older. I'm curious, though ... J Galt, are you American? And did you vote for Bush? Lori in DC Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:45:23 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #627 Jimmy said "but Wally, St. Michael is the patron saint against temptation. are you sure it was Michael Paz? :~)" OUR Michael Paz! Saint Michael? Oh, I think not ;-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:41:46 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Republicans vs. Democrats (NJC) > Where's Galt's Gulch? Somewhere high in the mountains of Colorado. Who is John Galt? Dagne in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:00:25 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Penelope In a message dated 11/27/00 9:30:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, leslie@torchsongs.com writes: << Have you heard the recording of "Carey" with the long introduction - Joni is talking about hanging out in Mattala with Penelope the Poetess - >> no, i've not heard this. the only live version of carey i've heard is the one on miles of aisles, which if this is the one, then i've been missing the intro. but as i think about live versions of carey, and this penelope,.....i can't help but to think of cindy lauper's version of carey on the tribute cd. she could fit that bill of penelope the way she was doing those pelvic thrusts and the finger beckoning. both the tribute special and miles of aisles bring back very fond memories. patrick np. peter gabriel and paula cole ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:04:32 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Creed... (njc) Interesting that there are numerous comparisons with Creed and Pearl Jam. Maybe my ears decieve me, but whenI first heard the song "Higher" on the radio I was positively convinced it was Hootie and the Blowfish. To me, the lead singer sounds remarkably like Darius Rucker. And, for what it's worth (not much, I know) I really like what I've heard of their music. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:09:28 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: How to listen to Joni all day long (vljc) I'm probably the last person on earth to figure this out, so forgive me if you all know this already. You can listen to Joni (and other artists you like) all day long! In fact, you can create your own 'radio station' by going to sonicnet.com, picking the artists you like (you have to select at least 60). You can rank them too, for example giving Joni 5 stars and someone you don't like quite as much anywhere from 0 to 4 stars. You can mix and match genres, too, which is really nice. My only complaint is that I can't seem to add Pierre Bensusan to my list. This isn't a commercial. I have absolutely no financial or other interest in this web site. Enjoy! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:10:10 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Creed - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > I didn't watch the VH1 program on Creed, though I > kinda like their music., (snip) i'm with you on the "kinda" liking Creed's music idea. i can't really decide if they are great or just good because of their ability to derive from other sounds and sources. my brother in law and sister (both from old-school metal tradition!) really love them, and have been big fans of theirs since their first album came out a while ago. (snip) > weak compared with Jim Morrison's [voice]. this could be the understatement of the year. ;-) although the small snippets i saw of that Doors tribute really intrigued me. i'd like to see the whole thing. (snip) > bands around, but on a scale of the Beatles being a 10 and the Doors an 8 or > 9, Creed and the Chili Peppers are 3s. > > Paul I oh, paul--with songs like "no chump love sucker" and "behind the sun" they are only a three???? uplift mofo is an incredible album! it totally defines my highschool experience! oh, wait, that says alot about me doesn't it... alison e. in nyc Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:38:17 EST From: Bern44105@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #628 In a message dated 11/28/00 3:24:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, Marcel writes: << As for the machine and its perceived foibles? If you cant perform something as simple as using that mechanism which has been used in San Francisco for over 20 years without a complaint by anyone and chose to ignore the post voting instructions to make sure the perforations have been made cleanly my attitude is that is very too bad. happens to millions. What is so different now. >> What is so different now is that the outcome of the election may well hinge on those miscast and/or uncounted votes. In most elections there is a much wider margin and such votes do not alter the outcome. We are, after all talking about which of two men with vastly different beliefs and values will lead the country. No small matter, and there should be an accurate and full count of votes. I don't believe that has occured. In any case, given the number of ambiguous ballots and the tiny differential of five hundred odd votes out of millions cast, we really can't say with certitude that Bush is the clear and unequivocal victor in this election, can we? Further, if perforations in the ballots cannot be made cleanly by as you say, millions of people, I'd call that more than just "too bad"; not simply a case of voters unable to perform something "as simple as using that mechanism...". This election points to the need for a more accurate system of casting and counting. From the look of things that may be the only good thing that comes out of all this. Bern Giordano ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:05:21 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions Lori- keep ranting, and Hell don't stop there!! some very interesting facts about NZ there. i know this isn't exactly *air* pollution but still... i read somewhere that Al Gore is a great advocator of a healthy planet, and allowing the biological processes of the earth to flourish. in fact, his belief is so stringent that he believes we should allow the planet to help us fix our pollution problems. now, my understanding of his exact policy is limited, i read a little about his wanting to "nutrient seed" the ocean. this entails, i believe, lacing the ocean with carbor, notrogen and so on in order to encourage the growth of certain planktonic animals or algae, or what have you. and what happens is that they will consume (or in teh case of algae they'll trap) this pollution- dumped waste and so on and when they die the pollition sinks to the bottom with the plankton will sink to the bottom of the ocean. this form of gobal manipulation is simple. the piece i read made it all sound so simple. i think it did say something about algae trapping carbon dioxide. so, if we had more algae, there'd be less carbon dioxide. if we had seeded the ocean with the sufficient nutrients then we could have vast areas of the appropriate organisms. you get the point, it all sounded so much more genius when i read it. it didn't make any sense to me. various science type people have told us that water at the bottom slowly raises to the top. in polar regions water "sinks", and through various systems it takes about 1000 years for it to reach teh surface again. perhaps much quicker if it's caught in upwelling. i'm not too sure, i'm no expert. perhaps one of ye know Gores policy? i swear, this is hte only thing i know about Gore:-) and perhaps one of ye can make some sense of what i vaguely remember having read. >Then what shall we do? >Plant plastic trees? (We probably should; we >certainly have enough plastic to do it!) Well, personally i'd prefer those holographic trees from that episode of teh simpsons where Lisa sees her future and she gets married! yes, just kidding. my Vegetation & Environment lecturer wouldn't be too pleased to hear me saying that! GARRET np- Paddy Casey, Ancient Sorrow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:14:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Red Hot Chili Peppers <> Not to mention that they do great covers! :~) Their versions of Hendrix' "Fire" & Stevie's "Higher Ground" are very propulsive, to say the least! The Peppers were struggling but had an outstanding comeback with "Californication", which I have to dig out of my son's room whenever I want to hear it. (It's my CD, but he 'borrows' it from time to time). They don't hold up to comparisons with The Doors (not too many bands do), but side by side with THEIR peers on the charts today, they are MOST excellent, plus they have an outstanding bass player whereas The Doors never had a bassist at all! Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Lookin' For Another Pure Love" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:20:25 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Nikki in LA (NJC) Nikki Johnson wrote: >I have been a good girl and look forward to seeing everyone! >Off to LA after that! Oh California...California I'm coming home... Kakki? Clark? Ken? Coyote Rick? Kate from Santa Barbara? Lindsay? I think it's time for a Joni gathering!!!! Will Nikki's visit coincide with the Paz-man's and NAMM show? Steve (off to the comparatively tiny Troubadour tonight to see Jackson Browne, Richard Thompson, Dave Alvin, Katy Moffatt, Van Dyke Parks and more at the Folkscene benefit - yay!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:43:38 EST From: Mauski4648@aol.com Subject: Camus and Joni I think there is another song ,'Moon on the window' , that was 'inspired' by a writer or poet ..The sond is very near to that haiku poem about the thieves that took away everything but the moon..Karin from Germany ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:48:07 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Red Hot Chili Peppers xtian music njc In a message dated 11/28/00 11:27:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << The Peppers were struggling but had an outstanding comeback with "Californication", >> i just bought this for my son the other day and i was listening to it. it has all these neat california references to it. like he'd slip in the phrase...good vibrations into a song. and another time he sings a line just like the mama's and the papas. at first i thought i was hearing things. but i think it was really well planned with these little innuendos. i don't like christian music either for many reasons. probably the desire for protecting themselves from the real world is one major reason i don't like it. then there's the exclusiveness. then the thing that only christianity is worth singing about. like a sunset or love or joy can only be sung in the theme of christianity. but i've been listening to this mark knopfler song...balone again.. lately and i've fallen in love with it. i worked it out on the acoustic and but the time i'm done hacking it up it sounds more like a cross between dylan and kurt cobain. but it's the best i can do with it. it's about old travelling preachers from the early 50s in the south who couldn't eat in the white restraunts or stay in the hotels because it was too dangerous so they'd sleep and eat in their cars...baloney again. the second verse goes like this.... i never get tired of jesus but it's been a heavy load carrying his precious love down a long dirt road we're a long way from home, just let's pay the man and go baloney again. it really made me wonder why mark knopfler would sing about that. later he says...shoulders for pillows, lay down your head and dream. very cool imagery. patrick np. computer fan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:27:24 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Hissing of Summer Lawns I went out this morning with no real destination in mind and I found myself at Borders and strolled over to the music section. There I was looking at all the new releases. James Taylor has one out. From there I went to check out what Joni CD's they had that I didn't have. I wound up buying Hissing of Summer Lawns. I use to own the LP. This has got to be one of my all time favorite Joni albums. I can't believe I waited this long! There were a few songs on there I have just been dying to hear. I couldn't wait to hear "Shades of Scarlett Conquering." Couldn't help but remembering Paz sing that one at Ashara's Friday night (JoniFest) Do you remember that Michael? That was so beautiful man. Rose in NJ NP: Sweet Bird ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:31:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long Hell contributed some really interesting facts about pollutions problems in New Zealand (which, unfortunately, makes me rethink wanting to relocate to NZ), and ended with: > I know it's easy to blame big industries for the > quality of our air, there's a LOT we can do at a > domestic level as well. Sure it would be nice if the > Governments of every country would sort their shit > out, and have some uniform emission specifications > across the world, but until that happens (like every > other environmental issue) it has to start with the > individual. Hell, you're absolutely right! My partner Mary (a "granola cruncher" who used to live in Seattle, who has worn the same pair of Birkenstocks for 25 years) is BIG on home recycling, keeping our cars tuned up (that includes keeping the tires inflated at proper levels), and general reuse of just about everything. (Our attic looks like a miniature version of Mail Boxes, Etc.!) In contrast, my previous partner's attitude was, "Why bother? My singular efforts won't change anything." What a lazy and crappy way to think! As we've seen with the recent U.S. election, adding together the votes of many individuals can change things -- for better or worse, depending on your opinion. Adding together the recycling and emissions reduction efforts of many individuals can change the world -- for the better. And there's no "opinion" involved. Lori, who appreciates those who appreciate her "rants," in DC Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:25:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 28 1975: The New York Times reviews Hissing today, saying "The new Mitchell album's very title will annoy those who think of her already as a shallow and self-indulgent mannerist - it's called "The Hissing of Summer Lawns," and includes a narcissistic photo of the singer on the inside, floating embryonically in a swimming pool, surrounded by saccharine prose. Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/751128nyt.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:42:54 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Nikki in LA (NJC) In a message dated 11/28/00 11:36:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << off to the comparatively tiny Troubadour tonight to see Jackson Browne, Richard Thompson, Dave Alvin, Katy Moffatt, Van Dyke Parks and more at the Folkscene benefit - yay!) >> Take pictures Steve! Better yet, record it Steve ;~) Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:54:34 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - November 28 In a message dated 11/28/00 12:51:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << 1975: The New York Times reviews Hissing today, saying "The new Mitchell album's very title will annoy those who think of her already as a shallow and self-indulgent mannerist - it's called "The Hissing of Summer Lawns," and includes a narcissistic photo of the singer on the inside, floating embryonically in a swimming pool, surrounded by saccharine prose. Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/751128nyt.cfm >> Talk about Synchronicity, it's scary. - -Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:08:58 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Creed... (njc) And Darius Rucker has been dubbed the "low rent" Eddie Vedder (lead singer for PJ) ... which is where, I suppose, the comparison stems from. ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:38:32 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Nikki in LA (NJC) Steve wrote: > I think it's time for a Joni gathering!!!! Will Nikki's visit > coincide with the Paz-man's and NAMM show? I think that would be a great idea:-) And yup I will be there the same day as Paz! Look forward to meeting more JLDLers and seeing the ones I already know again! Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:49:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Camus and Joni <> I hadn't heard of that one, Karin...you don't have it where you could transcribe it, do you? Bob NP: S. Wonder, "Land of La La" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:56:21 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - November 28 <> This is a pretty smarmy remark imo...a "nacissiistic" photo of the singer would be a photo of the singer admiring herself, right? This is just a photo of the singer, certainly not unusual by any means. Now if she had dozens of photos of her, it might border on narcissistic...critics seem to like to jab at Joni whenever they get the chance, probably because they know deep down in their hearts that they're not worthy to breathe the same air, and probably more to the point that they are jealous because she is a better writer (ESPECIALLY with HOSL) than any journalist I've ever read! Bob NP: Wonder, "Overjoyed" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:29:11 GMT From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Jim Johanson's Birthday Do you know why November 29th is a special day? It's Jim Johanson's birthday! Thank you Jim for all the talent and effort you put into maintaining www.jonimitchell.com. Thank you also for your work on Joni's birthday card. You've kept the site up to Wally's high standards. We appreciate you. Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:36:40 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - November 28 In a message dated 11/28/00 2:08:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << This is a pretty smarmy remark imo...a "nacissiistic" photo of the singer would be a photo of the singer admiring herself, right? >> Yes, the word is derived from the mythological Narcissus: Beautiful youth loved by Echo; in punishment for not returning her love, he was made to fall in love with his image reflected in pool; pined away and became flower. I have a bronze statue of him sitting on my wine rack. I thought it was Bacchus (God of Wine):~) till I learned otherwise. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:00:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Bringing It All Back Home - JMDL style NJC Thanks for the gentle & hmble reminder & my apologies to all for contributing to the distasteful tone & for losing my tolerance. Kate, trying to find her way back to the high road >>>Joniphiles - This is just my humble opinion, but I feel that all this election talk has taken on a rather distasteful tone. Les<<< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:40:22 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (NJC) this is such a sad and bizarre situation, because i really like RDJr. as an actor as well. but what the hell could he possibly be thinking? he alledgedly went to a hotel, with drugs (high as kite already), and got busted. why wouldn't he just go home, or to a friends house to use? why would he risk going back to jail after talking publicly about how hard it was, how disgusting and degrading...and after being cast on a hit show? he must have been really f**ked up. two things pop into my mind--i am glad and lucky that i cannot personally understand this kind of addiction and--jail does not reform drug addicts (or drug dealers for that matter...) alison e. in nyc np: david gray - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I think it might have been discussed already, but I > just saw Robert Downey > Jr. singing "River" on Ally McBeal. about > crying out for help. (snip) felt so emotional about Downey...........I only hope > he gets the help he > really needs. > > > Jimmy Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:35:33 -0800 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Mini-fest in San Francisco??? WOW!!! Hey, other Bay Area folks, I'm here, too. I don't post very often, but I am thrilled that some JMDLers might be here. Whoever is organizing this..please get in touch with me. Work phone is best...Tue-Fri...415-777-1879 or email rustytrazom@hotmail.com I work for a custom screenprinting company SOMA. Do I smell mini-fest t-shirts??? Why, I think I do!!! Jumpin' up and down. Russ NP Tangled Up in Blue (the original) _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:17:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long don't you fret, j galt jr. very soon you'll have to, that is, if you survive. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de J. Galt, Jr. Enviado el: Martes, 28 de Noviembre de 2000 07:11 a.m. Para: colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk; hell@ihug.co.nz CC: lrfye@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long Why don't we all go back to living in caves? That way we can reverse the "forces of evil," i.e., global warming. Next we'll be fighting each other over which caves we get, but at least we'll have politically correct global weather. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:37:50 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Queen Ashara and King Les (NJC) Queen Ashara- Thank you so much for the lovely fotos of JoniFest. I especially like the ones of the 3 year group and the one that includes dear Kenny. These memories will last forever for me. I am so lucky to have made such wonderful friends. And Les, thank you so much for your recent post. I appreciate your trying to keep the list a fun place to be. I hope that everyone considers your kind and tolerant ways. It is a privledge for us to have this place to revel in all things Joni and to make new friends. Rock on dude! Paz NP-Good Enough-Sarah McLachlan Hilversum (NL) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:40:26 -0600 From: evian Subject: oh puh-leeeeeze > i rarely go to see mainstream hollywood releases in the > theatres because i so infrequently have time or inclination to go that i spend > my money and time like i was voting (ie, i support independent & foreign > cinema). > UGH, GAG, PUKE, BARF, EYE-ROLL, EYE-ROLL, EYE-ROLL..... GIMME A FUCKING BREAK! LOLOLOLOL!!! It's the frigging Grinch, not Das Boot, so why the constant hoo-ha... and damnit, I am gonna post that tonight if I keep feeling fiery! Hope you kids have a lovely week. Will be busy here, with my foreign film night, my one hour of television, "The Buddhist Hour" on the Asian network (no subtitles of course -- I speak Mandrin fluently) and my lute lessons, I won't have time to post ;) Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:51:48 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: Mini-me Joni Fest at MG's Ok well MG and I (what a pair) were talking and since quite a few people wrote about meeting up in January we said "How about we have a mini Joni fest!" So MG offered to host a mini Joni fest at her house in Davis, CA about 10 miles from Sacramento if people were interested in doing that. We could play some music, chat, listen to Joni, etc! So I got the job of co-hostess (I have to work for my room...lol) and hope we can put something together! The dates would be 1/13 and 1/14 there is room to sleep at MG's. If you are interested in this please write to me privately or write NJC (as I once again must apologize for the lack of NJC) So Mixons, Julius, Russ, WALLY! and anyone else who is in the area and wants to come! Hope to see some people there! Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:47:21 -0600 From: evian Subject: OH DEAR GOD LOL, oh God, my sarcastic post was meant for two people off list, and I posted it.. LOL, I am so embarrassed.... sorry y'all! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:01:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: OH DEAR GOD rob? rob? well, in any case, i LOVED THE POST!!!!!!!! keep mis-posting puh-leeeeeze! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de evian Enviado el: Martes, 28 de Noviembre de 2000 10:47 p.m. Para: Joni@smoe.org Asunto: OH DEAR GOD LOL, oh God, my sarcastic post was meant for two people off list, and I posted it.. LOL, I am so embarrassed.... sorry y'all! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:15:53 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mini-me Joni Fest at MG's In a message dated 11/28/00 9:03:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, stealth@voicenet.com writes: << o MG offered to host a mini Joni fest at her house in Davis, CA about 10 miles from Sacramento if people were interested in doing that. We could play some music, chat, listen to Joni, etc! >> Oh, California I want to come home! I'll even bring the Taylor Ham. I promise Mary Grace. wwaaahhhh........:~( Rose stuck in stinkin' NJ sniff, sniff ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #629 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?