From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #628 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 28 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 628 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Creed NJC ["Hell" ] Re: Penelope [Leslie Mixon ] Re: Creed NJC [Mark Domyancich ] Re: River [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Ally McBeal, Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (SJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long ["Hell" ] Mini-me Joni Fest: Bay Area [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Today in Joni History - November 23 ["Hell" ] Re: River [Relayer211@aol.com] RE: Mini-me Joni Fest: Bay Area ["Wally Kairuz" ] FW: Politics & Truth continued NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC: American Movie: How the Grinch Stole Christmas, Long [BarBearU] Re: Is this the same Bush?? NJC [dsk ] Re:cowboy Junkies ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Ally McBeal, Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (SJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Dreams Wamelia (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Creed/Christian Music NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Bringing It All Back Home - JMDL style [Les Irvin ] pearl jam njc [evian ] cowboy junkies njc [evian ] Re: Bringing It All Back Home - JMDL style [Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Creed NJC Mark wrote: > I think they're horrible! They sound like the biggest bunch of Pearl > Jam wannabes! I have to say I agree. If their lead singer sounded any more like Eddie Vedder, it would be scary! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:38:07 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Re: Penelope > Hi patrick: > Have you heard the recording of "Carey" with the long introduction - Joni is talking about hanging out in Mattala with Penelope the Poetess - it's my good guess that this poem was written about the same lady. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:29:55 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Creed NJC I think if their lead singer sounded any more like Eddie Vedder then their mission would be accomplished :). NP-Foamy, 4/9/00 - Night Road At 3:18 PM +1300 11/28/00, Hell wrote: >Mark wrote: > >> I think they're horrible! They sound like the biggest bunch of Pearl >> Jam wannabes! > >I have to say I agree. If their lead singer sounded any more like Eddie >Vedder, it would be scary! > >Hell >____________________________ >"To have great poets, there must be >great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > >hell@ihug.co.nz >Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: >http://www.nbls.co.nz - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:30:59 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: River Right this minute Robert Downey Jr. is performing River on "Ally McBeal" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:42:43 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Ally McBeal, Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (SJC) I think it might have been discussed already, but I just saw Robert Downey Jr. singing "River" on Ally McBeal. I've really enjoyed his new character on the show, but when he sang parts of "River", I thought he was not just acting, but *really* feeling the song.........of escape. After reading today's headlines about him being busted again for substance abuse, I almost felt that he was singing "River" on Ally about crying out for help. I truly felt so emotional about Downey...........I only hope he gets the help he really needs. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:45:04 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions - long You're getting into a subject close to my heart, or at least close to my work, since several months ago I developed a piece of software to accompany a campaign run by the Auckland Regional Council for motorists to "dob in" fellow motorists with "smokey" vehicles. We then record the registration and send them a letter to go for a free emissions check, and a recommendation for any follow-up work that might be required, ie. the car needs tuning, or whatever. Over 20,000 calls were made to the toll-free number, and is being praised as a great public awareness campaign. Surprisingly, Auckland has higher air pollution levels than London, mainly because our public transport system is pathetic, so everyone (including me) uses their own car. But I do object to spending 3 hours a day on travelling to and from work, when I can do a total of 30 minutes in the car! The stats say: There are 620,000 vehicles in the Auckland region - 459,000 of those vehicles are used to travel to work each day. The majority of those vehicles carry only one passenger. I have discovered some more interesting (?) facts about air pollution which may interest you. Most of it pertains to Auckland specifically, but can probably be applied to other cities: 1. In Auckland, the ARC (Auckland Regional Council - where I work) and the territorial councils (city and district councils) issue resource consents to control any discharges into the air from industry. If industry breach the conditions on their consent or cause pollution the ARC can force them to fix the problem, and prosecute or fine them. 80% of the air pollution in the region is actually from motor vehicles not industry; industry contribute only about 3% of overall air pollution, they can cause some problems but these are usually localised; they are also well controlled through the consent process. 2. The ARC are supporting central governments proposal to change the law so that NZ has "State of Origin" requirements on our cars. This means we can only import those cars that have passed overseas emissions tests. Currently cars banned from sale in Japan (because they don't meet Japanese emissions standards) can be sold here. Having State of Origin requirements will mean we only import high quality vehicles. The ARC is also working with central government and industry to change the fuel specifications. Fuel refined in NZ is of a lower quality to overseas. NZ refined petrol and diesel does not meet European or North American standards. For example, in the USA the diesel is required to contain only 500ppm (parts per million) of sulphur (reducing to 15ppm in 2006), in Europe it is 350ppm (reducing to 50 in 2005), diesel in NZ can currently contain up to 3000ppm of sulphur. This means the new technologies being developed and becoming available to reduce emissions cannot be used here yet as our fuel is too dirty. NZ is falling behind the rest of the world. 3. About 16% of Auckland's air pollution comes from domestic sources. The main contributor to fine particulate in air during winter is home fires. In the Auckland region tonnes of fine particles, carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons pour out of our chimneys on winter days. Smoke from fireplaces can also contain other toxic compounds that can adhere to the fine particles that are inhaled deep into our lungs, some of which are believed to pose a cancer risk with prolonged exposure. New Zealanders like to think of our country as clean and green, but we really need to sort out our vehicle and domestic emissions (incidentally, my own car is regularly tuned, and is well below minimum standards for emissions, and I don't have a fire-place)! Several years ago Christchurch, in the South Island, banned all open fires in the city, due to the smog they were causing. This was exacerbated by the climate and prevailing winds - the city is sheltered to a large extent by the Southern Alps, and the Canterbury Plains form a natural basin to contain the smoggy air. I know it's easy to blame big industries for the quality of our air, there's a LOT we can do at a domestic level as well. Sure it would be nice if the Governments of every country would sort their shit out, and have some uniform emission specifications across the world, but until that happens (like every other environmental issue) it has to start with the individual. Hell - promising to take my own advice, and investigate public transport more thoroughly! P.S. Also sorry for the rant! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:46:36 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Mini-me Joni Fest: Bay Area The lovely list youngster: Ms. Nikki Johnson is planning a visit to the Bay Area in the near future, (provided that she has kept her grades up and does not violate curfew). She's thinking about the week of January 11th and I'm thinking it would be great to have some sort of mini-something or other. Big or small, it can be what we make it. Bay Area members, waddaya say? MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:01:48 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - November 23 Mark wrote: > Is there such a thing as 'classic Mitchell?' If you think there is, > which period & why do you think so? OK, after 4 days in bed with the 'flu AND a cold (great way to lose weight - 5 kilos in 4 days) I'm ready to get back into some email. I'm still recuperating - went to work today, and decided at lunch-time that I'd over-estimated my energy levels, so came back home for a sleep. This is after being told by three people, "Oooh, you look awful!" which obviously cheered me up! Everything still tastes disgusting - even my favourite foods, damn it! - and my system hasn't quite settled down, but on the plus side, I haven't touched a cigarette in 4 days, nor do I have any desire for one. Let's hope it lasts! Anyway, to answer Marks' question, I don't think there is a "classic Mitchell" but for me, I think that's the main allure. My taste in music is so eclectic (I am a self-confessed music slut, after all), that if Joni only had one style, or had only written in one genre, I think I'd be bored. I love the fact that I can be in the mood for rock music, jazz music, big band music, introspective lyrics, political lyrics, etc., etc., etc. and can have any of those things with just one artist. IMO, no one else comes CLOSE to having that kind of repertoire, which is also the reason I think she appeals to such a diverse group of people. There are those whose favourite album is STAS, for some it's Hejira, for others its DED. They're all completely different, but they're all Joni. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:01:42 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: River I saw that!I feel so bad for him too.He was arrested again on Saturday for drug possesion.I hope he gets better before he winds up dead. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:04:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Mini-me Joni Fest: Bay Area mmmmmmmmmmmm....i may be going to san fran exactly during that fortnight!!!!!! and this time is TRUE. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de MGVal@aol.com Enviado el: Lunes, 27 de Noviembre de 2000 11:47 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Mini-me Joni Fest: Bay Area The lovely list youngster: Ms. Nikki Johnson is planning a visit to the Bay Area in the near future, (provided that she has kept her grades up and does not violate curfew). She's thinking about the week of January 11th and I'm thinking it would be great to have some sort of mini-something or other. Big or small, it can be what we make it. Bay Area members, waddaya say? MG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:12:31 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't Read This! - Craziness, NJC (md) In a message dated 11/27/00 2:19:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, mlg@ukonline.co.uk writes: << Are you saying that it is a crime punishable by disenfranchisement to incorrectly punch your ballot card? Really? What you are doing at the poll is registering your preferences. If some damn fool machine can't work out what you've intended, but a person can, I don't see why you should be cast out of the process. >> While a longer more detailed answer would be preferable I think it is safe to say that probably something like a million votes are for one reason or another mis-cast and fail to be counted in every election since time immemorial. Having said that lets consider that it has now been established by hard evidence that Al Gore himself has run a program secretly in our government to bypass all laws and forced (literally) the Immigration and Naturalization Service to rush in over one million aliens by bypassing decades old proceedures of background checks just to vote for the Democrats. Im not making this up. It is clearly outlined in the book Sell Out written by esteemed counsel and a lifelong Democrat David Shippers who voted for Clinton twice. Hes no right winger but hes an honest Democrat. His book is a repudiation of the win at all costs ideology of Clinton-Gore. Over 75,000 of these aliens were convicted felons whose background check was bypassed just to get them in before the 1996 election. By the way the "justice Department" has obstructed the release of the post entry crime records of these 75000 to the public according to Shippers. 950,000 illegal aliens were given voting materials in California alone in 1994-6. This absolutely disenfranchises all those legitimate voters by cynically cancelling out THEIR vote with clearly illegal ballots. Same with the horrifyingly biased canvaser whos all out finding of votes for gore on ballots that didnt even have a dent of any kind has been posted to the list. So martin, all due respect, there are many ways to disenfrachise voters votes. Not to mention the military fopr which there was an all out organized attempt to do so. . Im not sure at what point people get the message not whether but how outrageous is the power hunger of this man and what that means. As for the machine and its perceived foibles? If you cant perform something as simple as using that mechanism which has been used in San Francisco for over 20 years without a complaint by anyone and chose to ignore the post voting instructions to make sure the perforations have been made cleanly my attitude is that is very too bad. happens to millions. What is so different now. Only who is griping about it. respectfully. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:23:50 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Mini-me Joni Fest: Bay Area Sorry for the NJC but we wanted to make sure everyone saw the post! Yes mom over there is right I am venturing to CA so who wants to come out and play? Julius? Mixons? I have been a good girl and look forward to seeing everyone! Off to LA after that! Oh California...California I'm coming home... Love Mini-Me...I mean Nikki np: Wally K "Judgement of the Moon & Stars" Jonifest! :-) "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > MGVal@aol.com > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:47 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Mini-me Joni Fest: Bay Area > > > The lovely list youngster: Ms. Nikki Johnson is planning a visit > to the Bay > Area in the near future, (provided that she has kept her grades > up and does > not violate curfew). > > She's thinking about the week of January 11th and I'm thinking > it would be > great to have some sort of mini-something or other. Big or small, > it can be > what we make it. > > Bay Area members, waddaya say? > > MG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:44:35 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: FW: Politics & Truth continued NJC At the risk of fanning the flames, but in the interest of clarity, I feel I need to post the statement that upset me so that others do not think I was referring to them. "I fully realize Clark isnt purposely lying he just hasnt a clue about what the truth is and he has taken at face value what the propagandists and liberal apologists on the major news and TV has told him is the truth as opposed to checking out the veracity of the statements he hears. I guess thats what it takes to make the argument for the Democrats." And so I wrote, in part, "Anyone who claims they know the truth or the facts of this highly complicated matter sounds arrogant, ignorant or delusional to me. It is one thing to speak from your own opinions as to why you believe what you do, but it is entirely another matter to claim to know what is the truth or the facts and that others do not." My apologies to all of you who for being vague and for belaboring this point. It was only after several similar sounding comments that I finally felt I wanted to speak up. The comments were made in public, I responded in public. And Marcel, you continue send me private comments after I asked you to reply to me on the list. Have the same courage you show in your political views by posting any future personal comments to me here on this list out in the open. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:08:14 -0500 From: BarBearUh Subject: Re: NJC: American Movie: How the Grinch Stole Christmas, Long Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Hey Barbara, > > In addition to the films that you mentioned, Ron Howard directed "Apollo > 13". While you might dismiss it as a 'guy' film, it was really a high > budget documentary, masquerading as a drama. Unlike "Grinch" it moved very, > very well. i never saw it. i rarely go to see mainstream hollywood releases in the theatres because i so infrequently have time or inclination to go that i spend my money and time like i was voting (ie, i support independent & foreign cinema). it's so easy to see major releases on cable - that's where i see most big studio releases. in the case of "apollo 13", i was interested in the subject matter, but previews, reviews and word of mouth turned me off pretty quickly. for some reason, i still haven't seen it - either it hasn't made it to cable or i wasn't turning the tube on when it was playing. i also really can't stand tom hanks, which is one of the big reasons i avoided this movie (i find his acting very transparent - i can always see him working). > But seriously, what about Penny Marshall directing? She did a wonderful job > directing Tom Hanks in "Big". There was quite a bit of child-like wonder, > and comedic timing, and a light touch in that one. Remember the beginning > of "Big", when the boy asks the carnival genie for his wish? this is the only movie i've ever enjoyed hanks in. penny's a great idea, but i guess it's too late now. i'll just pray howard won't follow up with any seuss sequels. > About a year ago, I heard an interview on NPR with Mrs. Geisel. Now this > might just be a Hollywood story but.... She was introduced to Carrey on a > set. He did one of his swooping, wheel-around takes, lurching at her, then > stopped abruptly and took her hand. She said, "Oh, my God! It's the > Grinch!" I think Jim Carrey was _perfectly_ cast. His stage persona is a > lurching, slinking creep, just like the Grinch. i saw her on one of those "making of" films and she praised him there as well. i had 3 thoughts about that: 1. carrey is a good cast (i just can't stand 90 minutes of him & didn't forget for a second that it was him). 2. $$ is blinding her 3. being on a set can be very exciting and it's easy to get caught up in what's going on. this is why editors generally stay away from sets because you lose your objectivity when you know how difficult it was to capture something, or how cool it seemed to everyone at the time. if i was on that set with all those interesting props, funny make-up & sets, i might think something good was happening, too. > And I wanted more LIGHT in Whoville. It's a fairy tale- it's not > a Parisian alley! I wanted some time to linger over Whoville every once in > a while. i didn't mention this because i assumed that perhaps the projector lamp was dim where i saw it. i thought it was incredibly dark, but not colored in such a way that it seemed purposefully dark. i found it odd that whoville wasn't bright bright compared to the grinch's dark cave. it looked pretty bad considering the effort that went into the art direction. > I liked the zany tilting camera effect in Whoville. (How do you get a > Steadicam to tilt? I thought they forced you to be level? Or was it a > dolly shot that emulated a tilted Steadicam??) this is done with a floating head (i think it also may sometimes be called a fluid head). it's a special head for a tripod that allows the camera to pan & tilt to extremes. it moves on something resembling a ball bearing instead of moving on two axises. i liked the use of it here, too. > And didn't you love it when the Mayor was proposing and he started > sweetening the proposal, throwing stuff in, like prizes in a game show? it worked, but not terribly original. > (Cindy Lou rejects the "presents" theme of Christmas > and the Grinch's old flame rejects the Mayor's wealth. Those little > parallels don't write themselves!) i think they practically do... very cliche device that's been used throughout the history of film (and storytelling, for that matter). dickens was pretty good at this sort of thing. not that i'm comparing the writing to his! it's that at this point, these kinds of parallels are formula, and it's more difficult to write outside that and get it to work. > BTW, there were about 100 people in the theater when I went and no one > laughed but me. Sadly, that's not unusual here. wow. i don't know what to make of that. i didn't laugh much, and there was definitely not a sense of hilarity at my screening, but that's hard to imagine. well, glad somebody liked it, anyhow... barbara np: tom waits, big time ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:38:18 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Is this the same Bush?? NJC MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/23/00 3:31:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, > mlg@ukonline.co.uk writes: > > << He was instrumental in introducing legislation in Texas to the effect that > manual recounts SHOULD be performed in cases when there are very narrow > majorities in elections. >> > > yet another tiresome misrepresentation by the Democrats that is now taken as > true. The law they referred to was written into law by Democrat Anne > Richards. One of these days they will get a fact right. Just for the record. > The law was passed in texas in 1990. Sections from the Texas election laws regarding manual handcounts are below, copied from the State of Texas website. In 1997 Governor George W. Bush signed a measure amending the state's election laws, which included amending these sections. It's very interesting that the phrases "To ensure the accuracy..." and "A manual recount shall be conducted in preference to an electronic recount..." are ok in Texas when Dubya isn't involved, but not ok in Florida when he might actually lose the election if ALL the votes are counted (instead of having 10% of them ignored by the machines). The dates of the original laws and amendments to them are at the bottom of each section. ' 127.201. Partial Count of Electronic Voting System Ballots by General Custodian (a) To ensure the accuracy of the tabulation of electronic voting system results, the general custodian of election records shall conduct a manual count of all the races in at least one percent of the election precincts or in three precincts, whichever is greater, in which the electronic voting system was used. The custodian shall select the precincts at random and shall begin the count not later than 72 hours after the polls close. The count shall be completed not later than the 21st day after election day. Subsection (b) supersedes this subsection to the extent of a conflict. (b) In a general election for state and county officers, primary election, or election on a proposed amendment to the state constitution or other statewide measure submitted by the legislature, the secretary of state shall select, in accordance with rules adopted by the secretary, the precincts to be counted under Subsection (a). The secretary shall designate not more than three offices and not more than three propositions to be counted in the selected precincts. The secretary shall notify the general custodian of election records of the precincts, offices, and propositions selected under this subsection not earlier than the day after election day. (c) On selection or notification, as applicable, of the precincts to be counted, the general custodian of election records shall post in the custodian's office a notice of the date, hour, and place of the count. (d) Each candidate in the election is entitled to be present at the count and is entitled to have a representative present. A representative must deliver a certificate of appointment to the general custodian at the time the representative reports for service. The certificate must be in writing and must include: (1) the printed name and signature of the representative; (2) the election subject to the count; and (3) the printed name and signature of the candidate making the appointment. (e) Not later than the third day after the date the count is completed, the general custodian of election records shall deliver a written report of the results of the count to the secretary of state. (f) The secretary of state at any time may waive or reinstate the requirements of this section for a particular political subdivision. Added by Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 484, ' 9, eff. Sept. 1, 1987. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 728, ' 53, eff. Sept. 1, 1993; Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1349, ' 49, eff. Sept. 1, 1997. ' 212.005. Multiple Recounts on Same Office or Measure (a) The approval of a petition for a recount does not preclude the submission and approval of another petition on the same office or measure. A petition with respect to a particular office or measure may not be submitted after an initial recount or an expedited recount on the office or measure is completed. (b) If more than one recount petition, application for a supplementary recount, or application for including remaining paper ballot precincts is submitted, the recount coordinator shall promptly inform each petitioner or applicant of the submission by the other person. (c) Except as provided by Subsection (d), if more than one petition or application is approved, the recount requested by each person shall be conducted at the same time. (d) If different counting methods are chosen under Section 214.042(a) among multiple requests for a recount of electronic voting system results, only one method may be used in the recount. A manual recount shall be conducted in preference to an electronic recount and an electronic recount using a corrected program shall be conducted in preference to an electronic recount using the same program as the original count. Acts 1985, 69th Leg., ch. 211, ' 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1986. Amended by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1349, ' 65, eff. Sept. 1, 1997. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:34:55 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re:cowboy Junkies Thanks Jim, I love that album as well. It definitely sticks out among the rest of the music being made at that time and nowadays. Margos voice is so tender and evokes such sorrow to the listener. I agree with Jim, this is a good album, For sure, you should all take a look into it. blair _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:42:34 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ally McBeal, Robert Downey Jr. and "River" (SJC) << I almost felt that he was singing "River" on Ally about crying out for help. I truly felt so emotional about Downey...........I only hope he gets the help he really needs. >> Robert's cover of "River" is excellent...like you say, Jimmy, he emotes the song to perfection and can certainly pull from his experiences in feeling the lyric. It will be on Covers, Volume 12...details to follow tomorrow, I'm too pooped to post tonight! ;~) I was majorly bummed out to read he was busted again. I had read the long Vanity Fair piece about his whole prison sentence, and what a rough time he'd had, and how he was anxious to get a clean slate & a fresh start. And now this. Very sad. Bob NP: Joan Armatrading, "You Rope You Tie Me", live 1983 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:45:21 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Dreams Wamelia (NJC) Wamelia wrote: "last night i had the strangest dream and most excellent dream i've had in years. in my dream michael paz and i had been commissioned to take an enormous amount of money to some place in central america, where some form of natural disaster [maybe a hurricane or an earthquake] had just devastated entire populations. our departure point was some place in the us, and in order to get to central america we had to face many challenges and solve apparently impossible riddles and puzzles. we met friends and allies on our way, though, and they fed us and gave us temporary shelter. the dream was very long, fraught with difficulties and danger. we finally made it to this dismal disaster area in the nick of time, all the money intact. at the end of the dream, it was revealed to me that michael was actually st michael, the archangel." Wally- How strange I had the same dream only your wardrobe was reminicent of Nurse Ratched (from One Flew Over The Cookoos Nest). How strange! Just kidding. you need to watch what you eat before you go to bed. abrazos, Michael NP-Sister of the Moon-Fleetwood Mac ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:50:53 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Creed/Christian Music NJC << "Christian music" is hard to define, but I know it when I hear it, and immediately change the station. ;>) >> I agree, and think it's mostly marketing to sell the stuff to the Flanders of the world. Here in Greenville, we have a couple of religious stations, WLFJ (With Love From Jesus), and another one that advertises itself as "HIS Radio station", like God is in heaven trying to find something on the radio! :~) I imagine there's enough good LIVE stuff going on there that the heavenly radios never get clicked on! :~) Bob NP: Joan Armatrading, "Tall In The Saddle" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:41:07 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Bringing It All Back Home - JMDL style Joniphiles - This is just my humble opinion, but I feel that all this election talk has taken on a rather distasteful tone. I'd like to remind us all of a couple of the list rules of etiquette as outlined in the info message located here http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni.info and sent to each of us when we subscribed: 4) Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance: To debate is divine, to personally insult really sucks. We love a good conversation ... and we do so with respect for all involved... It is not acceptable to personally insult someone publicly on the list. 6) Post from within the ballpark ... the JMDL is an unmoderated discussion of anything and everything related to the life, art, music, and times of Joni Mitchell"... If the list strays to far from Joni for your tastes, be proactive and introduce a new topic to bring us back home. I thank everyone in advance for sitting back, taking a breath, and remembering why we are here in the first place. Be well... Les NP: Joseph Spence "On the Rollin Sea" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:42:49 -0600 From: evian Subject: pearl jam njc > I think they're horrible! They sound like the biggest bunch of Pearl > Jam wannabes! > > Well, I actually really, really, REALLY dig Creed, even after months of wanting NOT to like them, but now I love them -- although not as much as Vertical Horizon, another band I got hooked on this year, but I digress - -- anyway, when Mark posted about them being Pearl Jam rip-offs, it got me to thinking: I am alone here as to wondering what the big fuss is and ever was about Pearl Jam? I have two cds of theirs, and they are ok, but it just doesn't do it for me... what am I missing? At first I thought maybe I just wasn't letting myself like them because I was such a big Nirvana freak, but now, years later, I still listen to Nirvana constantly, and still don't dig Pearl Jam. Evian np: "Straight On" -- Heart (and playing it so loud I am sure I will be waking my wife and the animals any second) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:50:10 -0600 From: evian Subject: cowboy junkies njc > Thank you Peter Moore, Michael Timmins, Alan Anton, and Pete Timmins. And > Margo, I love you most of all. > > Oh God, I had it BAD for Margo Timmons back in the Trinity Sessions/Caution Horses days! Oh God..... you wouldn't believe it! And that voice.... oooohlala! However, I think that Black Eyed Man is their best -- or in any case, my favorite, although my favorite songs of theirs are "The Anniversary Song", "A Common Disaster", "Miles From My Home" and "Sun Comes Up, It's Tuesday Morning", which aren't on Black Eyed Man. Evian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:59:32 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Bringing It All Back Home - JMDL style Aha! Now I see why it seems so "quiet" here of late. This voter is sure glad she is on the Only-Joni List right now. I hear quite enough of the political upheaval through other avenues and I definitely don't need to hear it here. Thanks Les for instituting the option!!! Les Irvin wrote: > Joniphiles - > This is just my humble opinion, but I feel that all this election talk has > taken on a rather distasteful tone. - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:12:00 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Bringing It All Back Home - JMDL style In a message dated 11/28/00 1:10:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, pward@datacourse.com writes: << Aha! Now I see why it seems so "quiet" here of late. This voter is sure glad she is on the Only-Joni List right now. I hear quite enough of the political upheaval through other avenues and I definitely don't need to hear it here. Thanks Les for instituting the option!!! >> Hear, hear. Living in North Florida, where Bush got nearly 60% of the votes they counted in Duval County, I get enough of that election discussion every day without getting more of it online. Glad to be an only-Joni lister, too. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:31:37 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Don't Read This! - Craziness, NJC colin wrote: > Also, the USA and UHN have offered to over see 3rd world >country elections. Those 3rd world countries have now >offered their assistance to the USA. I've been trying to catch the non-U.S. media reports on the election and they have been a refreshing change for me. I'm getting a huge kick especially from the comments of leaders in the 3rd world countries. Turnaround is fair play ;-) >It seems odd to me that the popular vote can be won by >one person and yet the other guy wins because of the >elctoral college. Seems to me that the people don't count. People do count but there is an inherent logiistical problem in trying to adequately count 100 million ballots in 50 states at the same time. I think the rules regarding hand-counting were previously thought to apply more to small local races where there are only a few thousand votes at stake and not a national election. To hand-count millions of ballots would literally take months, if not years, to finish, in reality, so some kind of machine is the only practical solution. As far as the Electoral College, it seems you have a similar system (in concept) in the U.K. from what I've read. Not stating this as the gospel truth, not having lived there, and I cannot articulate this well, but I see an analogy where most of the London and most populous urban areas is comprised of Tory party voters whereas most of the rest of the country is comprised of Labour party voters. There is some balance in place in the U.K.system where the Tories cannot always prevail simply because they may have more people. The system weights the vote in a manner to give the Labour constituents some equity in political power. The popular vote in the U.S. has not been completely counted because there are over 1 million absentee/military votes nationally that they have not and usually do not bother counting after it is clear as to who won the electoral vote. I would like to see those ballots counted. Another way to look at the U.S. voting results is that 29 out of 50 states went to Bush, and approx. 2,600 + counties went to Bush while 500 counties went to Gore. Some feel that abandonment of the Electoral College would result in most of the states becoming, in effect, colonies of New York and California. I did like the joking idea of Queen Elizabeth taking us back - I've always wanted to spend some time in the U.K. and would like to get a dual citizenship, too ;-) Hope your rains let up. Kakki, returning to asbestos wrapped exile ;-) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #628 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?