From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #627 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, November 27 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 627 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: ENYA [jmdl@btinternet.com] Re: michael paz dream (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Happy Happy (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Letter From Kenny's Parents [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Letter From Kenny's Parents [Jerry Notaro ] catching up (NJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] NEW TREE STRUCTURE [AsharaJM@aol.com] Today in Joni History - November 27 [Today in Joni History ] Re: songs with street names NJC ["Phil Klein" ] Re: Politics & Truth NJC [Don Rowe ] Creed ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Creed [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC: street names ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: grinch NJC ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Creed [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] street names ["Mike Hicks" ] RE: Creed ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Creed ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Creed [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Creed NJC [Mark Domyancich ] 18 inches NJC [catman ] Re: Creed [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Creed NJC [michael w yarbrough ] RE: Don't Read This! - Craziness, NJC ["Martin Giles" ] Re: siresorrowNJC [michael w yarbrough ] Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions ["Lori R. Fye" ] RE: 18 inches NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: street names [Randy Remote ] Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions [Jason Maloney ] November 27, 1987 NJC, Long ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions [catman easy stevie! think ac/cd ac/cd ac/cd ac/cd... :-))) >wallyk Yep, that works! >-----Mensaje original----- >De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner- joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Stevie >Mitchell >Enviado el: Domingo, 26 de Noviembre de 2000 10:16 p.m. >Para: joni@smoe.org >Asunto: Re: ENYA > > > how >can you stay mad at them when they play such lovely music to you while you >wait for them to sort out the latest screw-up? > >-- >Stevie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 07:35:09 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: michael paz dream (NJC) In a message dated 11/27/00 2:59:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << at the end of the dream, it was revealed to me that michael was actually st michael, the archangel. >> but Wally, St. Michael is the patron saint against temptation. are you sure it was Michael Paz? :~) Jimmy, celebrating my patron saint day today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:39:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Happy (NJC) << A very Happy Fucking Birthday to you and thank you so much for the CD. I am so proud of you. >> Ditto from me, Clark! I just got in last night from some holiday travel, and saw the copy of your CD. I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet as I was too bushed after fighting traffic jams to listen to musical jams! :~) I'll respond & review after I give it a couple of spins... Bob NP: Lucinda Williams, "Lake Charles" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:42:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Letter From Kenny's Parents <> Ashara, thanks for sharing this poignant note, although it did start some waterworks with me all over again... And it's easy to see why Kenny was such a gracious person as he was blessed with loving parents... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:02:21 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: A Letter From Kenny's Parents SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < Words about our beloved son, Kenny.>> > > > And it's easy to see why Kenny was such a gracious person as he was blessed > with loving parents... The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Thanks for sharing the letter with us. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:22:58 -0500 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: "Classic Joni"? You got it Bob. Those features you cited: Joni's vocal, her unique guitar playing, and YES INDEED her piano!!! and straight on - the brilliant lyric! characterize "classic Mitchell." And not just the chords themselves but the progressions,yes? And the melodies -also consistantly unusual, incomparable and classic. . Peg > ----- > > > Is there such a thing as 'classic Mitchell?' If you think there is, > > which period & why do you think so? > > And you said, > > > I think there is, but it has less to do with a genre of music > (rock, folk, > jazz, etc.) and more to do with the unique things she brings to > her music; > her swooping vocals, which can be found as early as "Night In The > City" and > as recent as "Harlem in Havana". Her rhythmic guitar work, where > she picks > and strums simultaneously, the piano chords that only SHE seems > to know, and > above all, the lyrics that go where nobody else can imagine to go. > > Bob > ]] > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:14:31 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: catching up (NJC) Just finished reading several days' of digests... First of all - HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Jim L and Brian G (hope you and Mags are having a great time visiting...) a quick take on election stuff - I've only read some of the posts. I've voted for and even worked on campaigns for Democrats, Independents (unenrolled...) and Republicans. From what I've seen, virtue isn't the province of any one party. Which is why I don't actually believe in party politics, but that's a whole other discussion I'd rather not start here... Joni stuff - I ventured into a craft shop the other day to a cover of River. So I wandered the aisles, humming. Suddenly, I was the only "River" in the store, as they called for a second checker. It could have been embarassing, but I kind of liked that when the music resumed I hadn't missed a beat and was in sync w/the recording. and a question - Does anyone know if it's possible to get the versions of classical music used in Warner Bros. cartoons? (like "Kill the Rabbit" to the Valkeries (sp?) which even my sister, who owns and practically worships her pet rabbit, loves) And, yes, I've considered getting the Carl Stalling CDs, but that's not quite what I want since they only contain original pieces. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:02:20 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: NEW TREE STRUCTURE This new tree structure represents the additions of people that were inadvertently missed from the first tree structure. If your name still doesn't appear here, please contact me right away. I'd really like to get my end of things finished. Again, many, many thanks to all Branches who have volunteered to get these in your hands. Branches: if you need more paperwork for these extra Leaves, please let me know. Hugs, Ashara TREE STRUCTURE BRANCH: Brian Gross (briangross@rocketmail.com) VHS 1. Brian Meyer (zumabm@aol.com) VHS 2. Mark Domyancich (Harpua@revealed.net) VHS 3. 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Amy Hart (clancyhart@aol.com) VHS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 00:19:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 27 1974: The album "Miles Of Aisles", still climbing the charts, is certified gold by the RIAA. 1976: Finally... a review worth reading. Today's Sounds magazine says of Hejira: Timeless and majestic, this is the music for the spirit. Intellectual and inspired, this is music for the mind. Rhythmic and subtle, this is music for the body. The music of tomorrow, this is the tip of the iceberg. Don't hear this album. Listen to it. Read the rest at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/761127s.cfm 1976: Melody Maker reviews Hejira, saying "The qualification about this album's success stems indirectly, in fact, from the lyrics. "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" was criticised in some quarters (thought not by me) for being purely a vehicle for her lyrics, a criticism, however, which has some application to "Hejira". This is the first Joni Mitchell record for which the song sheet is indispensable." Read the article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/761127mm.cfm 1982: Today's New Musical Express isn't so kind to Wild Things Run Fast, saying "Because she does not have the gift of writing great dumb pop music. That's the only thing that would carry a trifle like "Wild Things Run Fast" itself. There is a persistent suggestion that she's slumming in the cheapest throes of dime-novel romance, and it's ludicrous that the progenitor of the scorched skyline of the "Hejira" set should want to settle for something so facile. This is a simplification, not a paring away." Read it at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/821127mm.cfm 1982: NME reviews WTRF, saying "Time catches up with everybody, and the central weakness of "Wild Things Run Fast" is that it isn't in time with anything." Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/821127nme.cfm 1985: (From Wally's bio page): The video for the first single "Good Friends" premiered on MTV [today]. It was directed by Jim Blaschfield, who had found fame with his video for the Talking Heads "And She Was," by inserting color xerox images that move independently within the live action. The premiere of "Good Friends" was announced with some fanfare by MTV VJ Mark Goodman: "Joni Mitchell-at last!", but the video received only light airplay for the next 2 months. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:30:52 -0000 From: "Phil Klein" Subject: Re: songs with street names NJC Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:38:50 EST From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: songs with street names NJC In a message dated 11/26/00 3:20:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << wow, All i can think of is "Easy Street" from Annie, a play i absolutely despise. - - -zelda >> I've just gotten in on this but did anyone say Bleecker Street by Simon & Garfunkel? One of my faves. : ) tanya Has anyone mentioned 4601 (or something) Ocean Boulevard, by Eric Clapton (or Derek and the Dominoes)? And do album titles count? And if its street names in songs, rather than just song titles, then there's "57 Mount Pleasant Street" in "Weather with You" by Crowded House. And what about "Beezley Street", is that John Cooper Clark? And what about these: "We knocked 'em in the Old Kent Road" (don't know who wrote it) "Do The Strand" (Roxy Music) Bye Phil _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:23:37 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Politics & Truth NJC - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > It is one thing to speak from your > own opinions as to why > you believe what you do, but it is entirely another > matter to claim to know > what is the truth or the facts and that others do > not Or, to quote the famous Jedi philosopher: "So what I told you WAS true ... from a certain point of view." -- Obi Wan Kenobi Don Rowe ;-) ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:56:59 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Creed Did anyone see the VH1 show last night on Creed? I had heard of them but since I am not much of a hard rock follower, I did not pay much attention to them until now. They have real depth & spirituality in their lyrics & music. And a unique & inspiring story behind their success which is very refreshing compared to the usual Behind the Music stuff. The fact that they are the #1 band (right now?) is incredibly hopeful. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:24:16 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Creed Kate Bennett wrote: > Did anyone see the VH1 show last night on Creed? I had heard of them but > since I am not much of a hard rock follower, I did not pay much attention to > them until now. > > They have real depth & spirituality in their lyrics & music. And a unique & > inspiring story behind their success which is very refreshing compared to > the usual Behind the Music stuff. > > The fact that they are the #1 band (right now?) is incredibly hopeful. They started out as a Christian rock band. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:25:14 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: NJC: street names > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:21:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Alison E > Subject: Re: NJC: street names > To: Murphycopy@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Reply-to: Alison E > are you sure you don't mean Nancy Griffith? No, she's correct. It is Patty Griffin. She's phenomenal, kinda like Nancy Griffith. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:34:16 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: grinch NJC > Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:02:20 -0500 > From: BarBearUh > To: JMDL > Subject: grinch NJC > Reply-to: BarBearUh > > i hate to sound like a prude, but i find it pretty sad that a movie for > kids has some of the crass stuff in > that film (like the kiss my butt gesture with the flower, the dog butt kiss > & drag). all the loud > commercials and previews set the stage with their whooshing sound effects > and non-stop indication of gags without substance. it makes me sad about > our culture. Don't feel alone here. I am in total agreement with your opinion of the film. It was not a "wholesome" kids movie. Music was too loud. Language not exactly what I want my kids to use. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:01:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions Colin wrote: > Unfortunately the meeting at The Hague with regard > to getting a worldwide agreement on the reduction of > carnon emissions has failed becuase the USA does not > wish to do this. Well of course not, Colin. U.S. automakers voluntarily spending a dime doing ANYTHING for the sake of the environment or safety? Surely you jest! In the name of saving another almightly dollar, some of the mightiest U.S. companies have had a long history of selling defective vehicles (not to mention defective tires), and then looking the other way as buyers burned in the wreckage. In view of that, what makes anyone think that U.S. automakers would be concerned about the AIR that anyone breathes? Besides, since the U.S. has so many wide open spaces with relatively unpolluted air, Big Business would just convince Americans that carbon emissions aren't a problem HERE. (Nevermind our emissions-choked cities. Most rich folks -- who vote for the a******s who help to keep Big Business big and rich folks rich -- leave the cities at day's end and head for the cleaner suburbs or their country getaways.) And if we won't control emissions in our own country, why would the U.S. be concerned about other countries? (Nevermind that the trees along Germany's autobahn look as if they've been napalmed.) Although we do occasionally make pretense to the contrary, the U.S. is never really concerned about other countries unless they're threatening our oil supply ... or unless they show an eagerness to consume the things the U.S. public has finally decided no longer belong HERE ... anyone want a Marlboro? Lori, on a rant and disgusted in DC Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:07:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Creed <> I saw Creed live this year with my son & he has both of their discs which I have heard several times. They are very good, and like you say, write with a lot of spirituality in their lyrics. And I have to say that I totally dislike the phrase "Christian Music". Makes me want to assume that everything not in that "genre" is anti-Christian music or something. I usually find spiritual threads in just about all music, certainly in Joni's music. Although she doesn't profess to be "Christian", the religious influence, specifically Christianity, is really strong. Just start thumbing through her lyrics, and you'll be amazed at the religious/biblical references, even though she does have both positive & negative ones... Bob NP: Nancy Wilson, "Sister" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:49:23 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: street names Highway Star - Deep Purple(Machine Head). One of the greatest guitar riffs of all time. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:13:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Creed Sounds like a great experience for you & your son. The clips showed many ages in the audience. One of the things I like, that I heard Scott (singer/lyricist) say is that he thinks everyone has spirituality in them. He defines a Christian band as one that has an agenda to lead others to believe in their specific religious beliefs. Which is not what he is about. I would love to see them in concert. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:13:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Creed According to the VH1 story, the lead singer/lyricist was raised by strict religious (Christian) parents but as a band, I don't think they have ever considered themselves to be Christian though they believe in God & do have followers who are Christian. They do have references to God & Christian symbols in some of the songs. The lyricist (Scott) spoke about questioning the religion of his upbringing in pursuit of a broader spirituality & his music reflects his search. He also wrote a beautiful song about finding out that he was going to be a father, called Arms Wide Open. For anyone who laments the negativity, hype or lack of depth in some of today's highly marketed music, check these guys out. They fincanced their debut CD (for $6,000) and have had 4 #1 hits from this debut, which is a record for a rock band. According to the story, there was only one brand new upstart label that showed any interest in them (the lable had no artists and very little experience). No one else was interested & thought Creed's music was passe in a world of Marilyn Manson, etc. The band worked hard & like many young musicians, learned the reality of what a record deal is, shattering many of their illusions. Their story is incredibly compelling & would be a great inspiration & eye opener for any young bands looking to make a career in music. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:34:27 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Creed In a message dated 11/27/00 3:22:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: << Did anyone see the VH1 show last night on Creed? I had heard of them but since I am not much of a hard rock follower, I did not pay much attention to them until now. They have real depth & spirituality in their lyrics & music. And a unique & inspiring story behind their success which is very refreshing compared to the usual Behind the Music stuff. The fact that they are the #1 band (right now?) is incredibly hopeful. >> I didn't watch the VH1 program on Creed, though I kinda like their music., I DID watch the preceding Storytellers program with the Doors and Creed's lead singer and thought how remarkably limited and weak his singing voice was compared with Jim Morrison's. As a father, I can relate strongly to "With Arms Wide Open," Creed's biggest hit so far, but when I heard the Doors music, it reminds me how much range they had as a band, not just in Jim's voice. One of the Doors old songs sounded like it could have been Steely Dan, another could have been the Beatles, yet others were distinctly Doors. Creed is good, and along with the Red Hot Chili Peppers among the hottest bands around, but on a scale of the Beatles being a 10 and the Doors an 8 or 9, Creed and the Chili Peppers are 3s. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:39:38 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Creed NJC I think they're horrible! They sound like the biggest bunch of Pearl Jam wannabes! Bobby Muller wrote: >And I have to say that I totally dislike the phrase "Christian Music". Makes >me want to assume that everything not in that "genre" is anti-Christian music >or something. What's so funny is that they were the musical guest on MadTV last season, and it was hard for me to believe that their fans actually sat through the episode to hear them. NP-Nick Drake, Hazy Jane I (best song ever) - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:43:51 +0000 From: catman Subject: 18 inches NJC according to the news, 18 inches of rain has fallen since Septemeber here-the most since records began in 1762. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:41:31 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Creed In a message dated 11/27/00 4:21:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << And I have to say that I totally dislike the phrase "Christian Music". Makes me want to assume that everything not in that "genre" is anti-Christian music or something. >> To me, "Christian music" is identified by representations of blind allegiance and faith. Though Blind Faith certainly would not be in the genre of Christian music, their song "Sea of Joy" probably could. And just because a song mentions Jesus, as James Taylor occasionally does, doesn't make it "Christian music." "Christian music" is hard to define, but I know it when I hear it, and immediately change the station. ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:52:08 -0600 (CST) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Creed NJC On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > Creed is good, and along with the Red Hot Chili Peppers among the hottest > bands around, but on a scale of the Beatles being a 10 and the Doors an 8 or > 9, Creed and the Chili Peppers are 3s. The Chili Peppers have been among the hottest bands around at various points over the past ten years or so. Not only are they great, not only are they popular, but they also have staying power. Their range is quite stunning, too. Though known primarily for their funk/rock/hip-hop hybrid, they have some gorgeous ballads and mid-tempo tunes ("Under the Bridge," "Other Side"). I'm pretty lukewarm on Creed--I find them marginally more interesting than most new rock, but not by much--but RHCP I think are a great, great band. Certainly more than a 3--probably closer to a 7 or 8. And the Beatles are an 11. ;-) - --Michael NP in shuffle mode: Everything But the Girl, _Temperamental_ Prince, _Parade_ Sugar, _File Under Easy Listening_ Outkast, _ATLiens_ Pet Shop Boys, _Disco_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:00:10 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: RE: Don't Read This! - Craziness, NJC Chris agreed with Lama.. >If I *have* to answer your question, then yes, I guess anyone who fails to >follow the instructions (and perhaps indirectly, the people they were >trying/failing to vote for) deserve what they get. I disagree. Are you saying that it is a crime punishable by disenfranchisement to incorrectly punch your ballot card? Really? I would say that there are worse crimes. Perhaps I could incorrectly fill in a tax form and have my tax bill for the year thrown out :-) What you are doing at the poll is registering your preferences. If some damn fool machine can't work out what you've intended, but a person can, I don't see why you should be cast out of the process. atb, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:48:55 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions Hi Lori-it isn't just cars though it is factories etc. The USA reckoned they have enough trees to absorb the pollution. So are you fibbing about the air pollution there? You must be. Your politicians say it is all absorbed by trees. We should all plant more trees, hey? colin ps this reminds me that on my road trip, especially in maine, i was impressed by the dense forest I drove thru. Until i was told that it was only the sides of the roads that were tree laden and that behind the logging companies had felled the forests. poo! Here too we are continually building on 'green belt' land even tho land designated 'green belt' is not supposed to be built on. There is loads of 'brown belt' ie urban land to build on but it seems developers prefer to ruin the countryside and it gives better views. Never mind that we are losing more and more greenery and more and more trees. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:36:32 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Don't Read This! - Craziness, NJC They were going to bring in machines here to do our Ballot counts. That idea has been squashed. Also, the USA and UHN have offered to over see 3rd world country elections. Those 3rd world countries have now offered their assistance to the USA. It seems odd to me that the popular vote can be won by one person and yet the other guy wins because of the elctoral college. Seems to me that the people don't count. Martin Giles wrote: > Chris agreed with Lama.. > > >If I *have* to answer your question, then yes, I guess anyone who fails to > >follow the instructions (and perhaps indirectly, the people they were > >trying/failing to vote for) deserve what they get. > > I disagree. Are you saying that it is a crime punishable by > disenfranchisement to incorrectly punch your ballot card? Really? > > I would say that there are worse crimes. Perhaps I could incorrectly fill in > a tax form and have my tax bill for the year thrown out :-) > > What you are doing at the poll is registering your preferences. If some damn > fool machine can't work out what you've intended, but a person can, I don't > see why you should be cast out of the process. > > atb, > Martin. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:44:24 +0000 From: catman Subject: siresorrowNJC Forgot to mention that patrick gave me a phone call last wekk and spoke with John and as well. He has a very nice friendly gentle voice-which is what i would have expected. His accent wasn't that funny either!!! As if email wasn't enough, we chatted mainly about the JMDL! Every word we spoke was in the highest praise of everyone here. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:59:32 -0600 (CST) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: siresorrowNJC On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, catman wrote: > Every word we spoke was in the highest praise of everyone here. The lady doth protest too much, methinks. ;-) - --Michael NP: Rakim, _The 18th Letter_ and _The Book of Life_ Ella Fitzgerald, _Ella at Duke's Place_ Sarah Vaughan, _Dreamy_ all on shuffle with the aforementioned EBTG... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:08:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions Colin replied: > Hi Lori-it isn't just cars though it is factories > etc. You're entirely correct, Colin. In rant mode, I focused only on cars, esp. since I (perhaps mistakenly) believe that the U.S. has done a lot to clean up the its factory emissions (though probably not nearly enough). > The USA reckoned they have enough trees to absorb > the pollution. Oh for pete's sake! These are the same people who blame the "greenhouse effect" on the trees instead of admitting it's the result of pollution! I don't know how anyone can say that we have enough trees when almost every housing development begins with the bulldozing of every tree and shrub in sight. Only the very nicest and most expensive developments keep any of their old-growth trees. > So are you fibbing about the air pollution there? > You must be. I'm not fibbing. We have plenty of "ozone action days" in large American cities. Old folks and children are warned to stay indoors when the air is a brown haze. > Your politicians say it is all absorbed by trees. Our politicians are liars. > We should all plant more trees, hey? Yes, we should, regardless of why. > ps this reminds me that on my road trip, especially > in maine, i was impressed by the dense forest I > drove thru. Until i was told that it was only the > sides of the roads that were tree laden and that > behind the logging companies had felled the forests. > poo! There are still some dense forests remaining in the U.S., but they're dwindling at the hands of big wig financiers. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to learn that highway engineers plant rows of trees along highways, while the land beyond those "forests" is systematically laid to waste to prepare for more subdivisions of cookie-cutter houses. And it won't take long for car emissions to defoliate the "forests" along America's interstates. Then what shall we do? Plant plastic trees? (We probably should; we certainly have enough plastic to do it!) > Here too we are continually building on 'green belt' > land even tho land designated 'green belt' is not > supposed to be built on. There is loads of 'brown > belt' ie urban land to build on but it seems > developers prefer to ruin the countryside and it > gives better views. Never mind that we are losing > more and more greenery and more and more trees. The only green most developers care about is the green they can take to the bank. Lori, still disgusted in DC Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:12:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: 18 inches NJC colin!!! don't you ever do that to me again! 18 inches sounded so promising a thread... wallyk - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de catman Enviado el: Lunes, 27 de Noviembre de 2000 06:44 p.m. Para: joni Asunto: 18 inches NJC according to the news, 18 inches of rain has fallen since Septemeber here-the most since records began in 1762. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:31:25 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: street names More songs with street names Penny Lane-Beatles Blue Jay Way-Beatles Holiday Road-Linsay Buckingham Thunder Road-Boss Tobacco Road-? 49th St Bridge Song-Simon & Garfarkel Mary Street-Bangles On Broadway-Lieber & Stiller ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:28:29 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions Living in the middle of a green belt, I have to agree with Colin's depiction of the UK countryside being rapidly transformed into more residential land. In the last 12 months, there have been THREE major housing communities built within a one-mile radius of my street. They are self-contained mini-villages, almost, with our local ammenties such as new out-of-town supermarkets, libraries and roads also tailor-made (and exisitng ones adpated) to accomodate them and the growing influx of families. I barely recognize some parts of this area, compared to just four years ago when I moved here. The worrying thing is that we have an expanse of field at the rear of our row of bungalows, and I don't know how long it will be before someone decides to develop it. Apparently, Tescos tried (unsuccessfully) some years ago. Aside from that, the continual noise of building these sites is a growing problem for me. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:40:06 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: siresorrowNJC In a message dated 11/27/00 6:11:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, mwyarbro@midway.uchicago.edu writes: << The lady doth protest too much, methinks. ;-) >> aye, lassie, but the lady is a man who holds a gentle touch in the flesh, if not in the optics fibre. and i do believe i was a little harsh on the clarkster yesterday. but how about that bush taking florida like that? bye the bye, the lady remembers a young politically active chicagoite promising a write up for the good list of our sweet meshell's earlier works which got lost in the madonna shuffle. not that the lady remembers things from old.... so will you young michael, will you write us something about our meshell? patrick np. george winston- no guitars there. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:49:05 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Republicans vs. Democrats (NJC) you know what i'd like to see from you on this list clark? i'd like to see the lyrics you wrote about matthew shepard. i understand you did a song about him on your cd. i'd love to see the words to the song. and i'm wondering if you've gotten a copy to his parents? if not, and if you'd like to, i could help you with that. i know the right contacts to do that in a way that they'd feel comfortable receiving it. patrick np. radiohead - kid a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:52:51 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Penelope In a message dated 11/26/00 4:29:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, leslie@torchsongs.com writes: << Licking at her up the stone Salt on its teasing tongue It comes Wide blue lipped Hissing Wet kissing >> i've never seen this poem by joni before. i must say, it was a lot for me to read this morning. i've not been right all day either. between this poem and her her thoughts about vincent and the kitchen table......i'm becoming quite the fan of her prose. patrick np. radiohead- weird shit ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:07:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: highway star njc oh yes oh yes oh yes!!!! the way that song begins is ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!! i love the drums! gotta play it RIGHT AWAY! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mike Hicks Enviado el: Lunes, 27 de Noviembre de 2000 06:49 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org CC: njc@smoe.org Asunto: street names Highway Star - Deep Purple(Machine Head). One of the greatest guitar riffs of all time. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:22:58 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: November 27, 1987 NJC, Long Gather 'round now boys and girls and I'll tell you the story of a legendary modern rock album, recorded on this day in 1987. ~~~~~ It all started with the Velvet Underground. They didn't sell a lot of records but legend has it that everyone who bought a Velvet Underground album, contracted some sort of musical Bug and started their own band. Now a Toronto duo, Mike and Alan decided to do just that. They were in and out of several bands, went to Europe and came back to Toronto. While Mike and Alan were looking for a house in Toronto, they began playing with Mike's brother, Pete, a drummer. Mike was a crafty guy, the songwriter of the motley collection. He heard a sound in his head that involved a sweet, melodic vocal so he invited his sister, a waitress named Margo into the garage to sing. Soon, he coaxed Margo into a gig, promising that she would not have to actually _look_ at the audience. She could just turn her back to them if she wanted, facing her brothers and Alan. The Cowboy Junkies recorded "Whites Off Earth Now" in a cramped, one story garage, with bed matresses piled up as makeshift soundproofing. They toured the American South, able to afford dinner if a fan or bartender would let them crash out on the floor. On those nights, they devoured the record collections of their hosts and hostesses. (Otherwise they slept in the car.) With a head full of new sounds, and a slew of Michael's new songs, they retreated to Toronto. Facing an impossibly tight budget, they turned to producer Peter Moore. Peter had perfected a method of recording small bands in a former church, the Church of the Holy Trinity. Since the pews had been removed there was plenty of room for amps. "Peter felt that it might be difficult to get the church to agree to rent it to a group called Cowboy Junkies. It was one thing to rent the church to a symphony or a jazz trio it was another to rent it to an obviously crazed bunch of rock musicians.... (Peter told) the church officials that the band's name was The Timmins Family Singers and we were recording a few numbers for a CBC radio Christmas special." :) The day was November 27, 1987. The album, "The Trinity Session". They recorded all but one track that day. Instead of running a separate channel for each musician to a mixing board, and spending hours micing each drum, Moore used a hideously expensive single microphone, called the Calrec Ambiosonic Microphone and plugged it straight into a DAT tape recorder. There were sound problems initially. Peter Moore drew upon his experience with the room when moving musicians around to fine-tune the mix, ultimately moving people in five inch increments. Mike Timmins explains, "The process was far from simple and for a while it looked like we weren't going to be able to reign in the acoustics of the church. The natural reverb of the hall was overpowering our instruments. Finally after a few more adjustments we ran through a version of a song and adjourned to the small office (maybe it was one of the confessionals) where Peter had his playback equipment set up. The playback revealed Petes drums simmering softly in the background, Alan's bass rumbling underneath, my guitar airily chiming and Margo's voice floating easily above it all. We had found our sound." So they began recording in earnest. When their contracted time ran out and they still had a few hours' work to do, Peter Moore, like any good producer, bribed the security guard with a twenty dollar bill. (Paz- is studio time always this cheap? :)) There was virtually no post-production mixing. Except for the acapella version of "Working On A Building" which leads off the album, it was done in a single day. ~~ Among audiophiles (hi Simon!), this recording is highly prized not only for the etherial music, simultaneoulsy expressing longing, fulfillment, danger, and beauty, but also for it's amazingly lifelike ambience. Peter Moore has captured for all posterity, a wonderful room, telling new songs, and a group of musicans seemingly connected by telepathy. The single, "Sweet Jane", was written by Lou Reed and was featured in that movie with Julliet Day Lewis. - --- If I had a fire and had to start over, "The Trinity Session" would be among my top 25 new albums. Don't miss it. Thank you Peter Moore, Michael Timmins, Alan Anton, and Pete Timmins. And Margo, I love you most of all. Jim ps- this post is basically a re-write of the Trinity section at www.cowboyjunkies.com . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:29:56 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC USA refuses to reduce emissions > > So are you fibbing about the air pollution there? > > You must be. > > I'm not fibbing. We have plenty of "ozone action > days" in large American cities. Old folks and > children are warned to stay indoors when the air is a > brown haze. > > > Your politicians say it is all absorbed by trees. > > Our politicians are liars. Lori-I was not being serious in those lines! I pretty much agre with your ranting. You should do it more often. > > > > We should all plant more trees, hey? > > Yes, we should, regardless of why. > > > ps this reminds me that on my road trip, especially > > in maine, i was impressed by the dense forest I > > drove thru. Until i was told that it was only the > > sides of the roads that were tree laden and that > > behind the logging companies had felled the forests. > > poo! > > There are still some dense forests remaining in the > U.S., but they're dwindling at the hands of big wig > financiers. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to learn > that highway engineers plant rows of trees along > highways, while the land beyond those "forests" is > systematically laid to waste to prepare for more > subdivisions of cookie-cutter houses. And it won't > take long for car emissions to defoliate the "forests" > along America's interstates. Then what shall we do? > Plant plastic trees? (We probably should; we > certainly have enough plastic to do it!) > > > Here too we are continually building on 'green belt' > > land even tho land designated 'green belt' is not > > supposed to be built on. There is loads of 'brown > > belt' ie urban land to build on but it seems > > developers prefer to ruin the countryside and it > > gives better views. Never mind that we are losing > > more and more greenery and more and more trees. > > The only green most developers care about is the green > they can take to the bank. > > Lori, still disgusted > in DC > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #627 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?