From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #623 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, November 24 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 623 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- s this the same Bush?? NJC ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Florida Supreme Court's Bogus Decision NJC ["Martin Giles" ] Re: NJC: street names [Murphycopy@aol.com] Joni on the cover! [RobSher50@aol.com] NJC Madison, meet Burr [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Songwriting (md) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: s this the same Bush?? NJCm (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Happy [Michael Paz ] Re: Songwriting (md) ["Stephen Epstein" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:23:46 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: s this the same Bush?? NJC Hello folks Martin from London delurking here.. I was working with a client today who hales from Ohio, who said to me that he was surprised at George Dublya being apposed to manual recounts because... He was instrumental in introducing legislation in Texas to the effect that manual recounts SHOULD be performed in cases when there are very narrow majorities in elections. Is he right? atb, Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:38:54 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Florida Supreme Court's Bogus Decision NJC In reply to this.. << The Florida Supreme Court decision was just announced; the re-count vote totals must be accepted and certified by the Secretary of State.>>> Marcel said.. A clear unwarranted unconstitutional usurpation of power by the Court. No one even asked the court to make this decision and intervene. I thought the Gore camp did just that. Actually, for that matter, I thought that BOTH sides in this despute have been bringing in the courts to settle the dispute. Either you accept the courts' power to make these decisions, or you should have organised things, such that the courts can't. Either way, it seems to me, the structure of the course of action to decide elections in the United States is, at the moment, too mutable for comfort. Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:19:26 -0000 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving NJC Bob said NP: Erykah Badu, "My Life" (Am I the first one to pick up her new one? It just came out Tuesday, was one of the most anticipated discs of the year, and is well worth the wait! Erykah restores my faith in true soul music!) You're not alone, Bob, I'm with ya, but... I beat you by a day, it came out on Monday over here. ;) Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:13:05 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: street names For Anne's search for songs with street names, I suggested: > Gulf Coast Highway (D. Matthews) Alison asked: >are you sure you don't mean Nancy Griffith? My response: Hi, Alison: The only version of Gulf Coast Highway I'm familiar with is Dave Matthews' live one... Oddly enough, Dave's version also features Emmylou Harris. I say "oddly enough" because the post I received immediately after this one was also from you -- regarding the gray thread -- in which you said, "I can't decide whether to bite the bullet and go for real dye, or let my Emmy Lou happen naturally." That was weird... Hope you're enjoying Thanksgiving in NY. Take care, --Bob NP: Wilson Pickett, Midnight Hour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:03:56 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Joni on the cover! Hi everyone! I looked at my December subscription to Los Angeles magazine yesterday, and who should be on the cover but a caricature of Joni sitting next to who else but...ET! It is the magazine's 50th anniversary and she graces the cover along with a host of other personalities, including jack Nicholson. I was very pleasantly surprised!!! Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:39:52 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Madison, meet Burr My good friend Marcel quoted James Madison: The accumulation of all powers legislative, executive and judiciary in the same hands . . . may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny." James Madison, Federalist 47 I always love quotes from James Madison! Not only did Madison have a major influence on our Constitution, but he was shot and killed by Aaron Burr in a duel... before Madison, or Burr, or this country, got really civilized. We also had a quote from Thomas Jefferson - the tactics that Jefferson, John Adams, and Burr all used in the 1800 presidential election are among the lowlights of American history. It is bringing the words together with the historical reality that has been the tough part. To bring us a more contemporary quote, Mark in Seattle gave us this true gem: And as George W. himself said: "The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to interpret law."--Austin, Texas, Nov. 22, 2000 This was said by George W. of course the same day that George W. also announced that Dick Cheney did not have a heart attack -- that was a statement made before the recount, er, re-test, or re-something? I am getting ready to make my last statement on this matter because it is boring some folks to death, and even more, I don't want strained relationships with people who are my friends. But I am rather tired of the attacks on the Florida Supreme Court. This is a state matter and the state court has ruled. It was Bush who went to court first... remember that. He tried to stop the recount - this from the hypocrite who said he trusted the people, not the government, who went running to federal court to interfere with a state's election process. He lost. He then lost with a federal district court panel. Now Bush has appealed to the US Supreme Court - which continues to be an extraordinary attempt to involve the federal judiciary in a state election matter. Take that, Alexander Hamilton, Mr. Federalist. And Bush is trying to stop Florida from following the procedure, hand recounts, that Bush signed into law in Texas. Hypocrite. The Bush press spokesperson is in the papers complaining about Gore going to court. Spin hypocrite. For the conspiracy buffs: remember that Bush's father was once head of the CIA. There is still pending in a Florida district court the extraordinary fact of the "help" that Republican party officials gave to what the Detroit papers report today is 15,000 absentee ballot votes on which these Republican oficials, operating in the Seminole County's election office, added registration matters and other things to what would otherwise be rejected, inadmissable ballots. That is pure vote fraud. If those 15,000 votes get tossed, Florida is Gore's. Thankfully we have courts to settle these matters, as opposed to say, tanks or street fighting. I have no doubt that there was been illegal and unethical ativities on both sides. That has always been the way. No one party is pure. However this comes out, and right now I'd bet on Bush getting Florida's electoral votes, as much as I dislike that concept, we will have a president that was elected from a nation closely divided, but a nation whose popular vote went for Gore. Neither one of these people, Bush or Gore, has a mandate for anything out of this election. Bush and his adherents should quit the spin and recognise they came in second, and if Bush becomes president, he should never forget that. If Gore becomes president, he should never forget how narrow the margin. I know that I don't want Bush as president for very clear political reasons. Others don't want Gore for the same thing. I do feel that much of what I hear from Bush and his people is pure spin and dross: not even honest enough to admit that if the Florida situation was reversed, they would doing the same thing, or that they have benfited from some counties, Republican counties, doing hand recounts of the ballots in Florida. Neither side should claim to be pure virtue and pure innocence in this whole thing. Drop the outraged drama and admit that what is happening is American politics being played out in the arena that was set up so that we don't have duels between Burr and Hamilton anymore: the courts. Both sides are looking for a court decision they like - I have never known anyone to seek a court decision that they don't like! Trust the people, trust the courts, trust the system; it is working. You have two people, Bush and Gore, from families with long traditions in American politics - neither one is an innocent or a naif who is being cruelly battered by the other evil one. Should Bush become president, America will survive: we did survive Nixon, Regan, and Bush the elder. We will survive. I do hope that Bush take a course on the American system of government so he'd stop with the idea that the executive branch interprets the law... Should Gore become president, my antiGore friends, America, and you, will survive. We will survive. I can understand why some people don't like Gore. I wish the Bush people would understand why others (a decent plurailty of voters) don't like Bush and voted for Gore. And I wish the "outrage" would stop. What we have is our system working to sort out competing claims that we do not have the full facts on yet. In our arguments, we all select the interpretations that buttress our case, but each one advocating their position should know that there are facts on the other side too and we all select those facts that we want to believe. We have to live together after this is resolved - as a nation and within the JMDL. I want to affirm that as much as I have disagreed with Kakki's and Marcel's posts on this subject, they have my continued admiration, friendship, appreciation, and I value them and their posts on other subjects. It is only with the friends with whom we rate as being important and with whom we have confidence that we can disagree, and care enough to dispute, with one another. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:39:14 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Songwriting (md) Marcel, Did you notice that when jt did River at the TNT All Star Tribute Concert, he changed "so long" to "so wide"? So, suddenly, he created an almost-rhymn (wide/fly) exactly where you feel that Joni had suggested she was going to deliver one. What does this prove? I'm not sure except that you and JT noticed the same thing. This puts you in very good company indeed as a Joni scholar. :) No news to most of us I suppose..... [[I wish I had a river so long I would teach my feet to fly I wish I had a river I could skate away on I made my baby cry You can see in this printed stanza that she has 'long' and 'on' and 'fly' and 'cry'. But if you listen to the song itself and the way she applies her melody and her vocal treatment you end up with what appears to be a completely different connection. The melody she sings actually connects the words "long and "fly" as if that is the complete stanza.]] Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:40:09 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: s this the same Bush?? NJCm (md) In a message dated 11/23/00 3:31:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, mlg@ukonline.co.uk writes: << He was instrumental in introducing legislation in Texas to the effect that manual recounts SHOULD be performed in cases when there are very narrow majorities in elections. >> yet another tiresome misrepresentation by the Democrats that is now taken as true. The law they referred to was written into law by Democrat Anne Richards. One of these days they will get a fact right. Just for the record. The law was passed in texas in 1990. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:00:57 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Happy Happy Thanksgiving to all and many blessings. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:10:06 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: Songwriting (md) Jim, Marcel, and the Rev- This is a great thread, and I am impressed w/your musical ear w/respect to the whole rhyme/poetry /melody thing. It throws a whole new light on it for me. What a beautiful song- one of Ms. Mitchell's most lovely. My first Joni purchase was Ladies of the Canyon- I was 14. At the time, I was listening primarily to folk- Tim Hardin, Jerry Jeff Walker and Fred Neil. What struck me most about LOTC was the incredible unique sweetness of her voice and the poetry. What poetry. I still have the album, have not replaced it w/CD- it is scratchy but wonderful still! The emotion w/which she sings is still overwhelming. Next purchase was Blue. And what a transformation. Both in her and myself. I lost my virginity when I was 15- and Blue was the album d'jour. I think that's when I became a helpless romantic- to this day, my favourite love songs of all time are All I Want and A Case of You. Don't see how it can be expressed any better. I so wished I was able to put into words, my innermost feelings as Joni did. She seemed to capture the way I felt and thought about love and life. And I have agreed w/her ever since! Best regards, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Gary Burton- Whiz Kids PS Jim, how is the tape of the tribute concert coming along? So anxiously waiting! "Jim L'Hommedieu" on 11/23/2000 08:39:14 PM Please respond to "Jim L'Hommedieu" To: "Marcel&Soizic" , "JMDL" cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: Re: Songwriting (md) Marcel, Did you notice that when jt did River at the TNT All Star Tribute Concert, he changed "so long" to "so wide"? So, suddenly, he created an almost-rhymn (wide/fly) exactly where you feel that Joni had suggested she was going to deliver one. What does this prove? I'm not sure except that you and JT noticed the same thing. This puts you in very good company indeed as a Joni scholar. :) No news to most of us I suppose..... [[I wish I had a river so long I would teach my feet to fly I wish I had a river I could skate away on I made my baby cry You can see in this printed stanza that she has 'long' and 'on' and 'fly' and 'cry'. But if you listen to the song itself and the way she applies her melody and her vocal treatment you end up with what appears to be a completely different connection. The melody she sings actually connects the words "long and "fly" as if that is the complete stanza.]] Jim ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #623 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?