From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #619 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 22 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 619 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Offnight BackstreetNJC [catman ] Re: NJC: street names [Vince Lavieri ] Hair NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Not so PC books - NJC [evian ] Re: Offnight BackstreetNJC [FMYFL@aol.com] graying NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] comb-oversNJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Florida Supreme Court Decision NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: songs with street names ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Not so PC books - NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: street songs NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: street names ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] what I'm thankful for [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Grey hair NJC ["Hell" ] Street Songs (NJC) [Leslie Mixon ] Re: Trees , Books ... oh and im back (NJC) [marton jc ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:45:18 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Offnight BackstreetNJC I know this won't cheer you up, but baldness is sexy! really appealing. If you do go bald, please DO NOT grow the sides long and comb it over! That is truly awful and makes me wonder if thoise that do it really think we won't notice! Apart from that, it looks bloody awful and much much worse than being bald ever could. Jason Maloney wrote: > I'd take going grey over losing hair, I really would. I'm convinced I'm > beginning to thin out on top...I keep checking, trying to see if I > *actually* am or not. I'm still not sure. It seemed to start on the week > of my 29th Birthday, but it could just be my paranoia. I had hopes of a > silvery look into my late-30s or early-40s. > > Jason. > > Chris Marshall wrote: > > > > Colin said about going grey:- > > > It gets worse! Found any in your pubes yet? > > > I have been going grey since my 20's, mostly the sides. > > > > I've found a few grey chest hairs. That was scary. > > > > Anyway, I started to tint (not dye!) the stuff up top, > > but once the rest starts to go seriously, I dunno what > > I'll do. > > > > Anyway, I think nature's way to help us cope with it > > going grey is just to have it drop out. Voila, pas > > de problem. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:30:36 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: NJC: street names "Moon over Bourbon Street" - love that song and the Anne Rice books that inspired it! Has anyone come up with "Boogaloo down Broadway" yet? Not sure who sang it or wrote it but I know that none of my rowdy friends ever sang the words "funky Broadway" as "funky" if you know what I mean. Close but not "funky." (the Rev) Vince, who has no idea what his friends were actually singing :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:45:25 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Hair NJC I refuse to dye the grey because that would be a jinx: looking at my grandfather and great uncles when I was five, I knew I'd be all grey but with a full head of hair. So I will not tempt fate. I assumed that I would resemble Richard Gere... who is stunning with his gray hair. However, my hair didn't turn all grey. It is as full as ever which is cool, but you know how the kids have the top of their head dyed one color and the rest of their hair another color? My hair turned white, not grey, in a huge spot in the middle of my head. When the movie Gremlins first came my hair cutter dude started calling me "Stripe." But the spot has gotten rounder now and I've actually had people ask me if I intentionally dyed it that way. The bright side is (other than a full head of hair, albeit with a big white spot in the middle of my flecked brown/grey hair) is that my grandson can pick me out of any group picture, no matter how small my picture is... he looks for the spot! It took a long time to come up with pictures for the brochures and the newspaper in the last campaign where people's first reaction would be, "he looks competent" rather than, "he has a big white spot in the middle of his head." Anyway speaking of the kid, I have been promoted from "Poppa" to "Poppy" which I rather like. (the Rev) Vince Jason Maloney wrote: > I'd take going grey over losing hair, I really would. I'm convinced I'm > beginning to thin out on top...I keep checking, trying to see if I > *actually* am or not. I'm still not sure. It seemed to start on the week > of my 29th Birthday, but it could just be my paranoia. I had hopes of a > silvery look into my late-30s or early-40s. > > Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:33:21 -0600 From: evian Subject: Not so PC books - NJC Hell baby wrote: > So now for the real truth! What authors/books do you read that you'd rather > NOT admit to. We've done this with the music thread recently, and > discovered all the closet-Brittany Spears fans out there, so 'fess up. > > I'll get the ball rolling by admitting that I still love reading C.S. Lewis' > The Chronicles Of Narnia, even though they're classed as childrens books. > I've also got several very trashy novels in my collection, that have been > read more than once, eg. Lace, Lace 2, The Blue Lagoon - yes you read that > right, it's the original book and has a lovely photo of Brooke and > Christopher on the cover! > > So how many of you DON'T read Playboy for the articles? > > Oh God, I have absolutely no qualms at all about admitting my favorite reading. However, stuff I didn't post in my reading post includes Judy Blume (well, I think I said that, but I ain't ashamed, baby!), young adult novelist Norma Klein (I am actually her 94 year old mother's penpal, which is another bizarre thing y'all never knew about me), ummm.. let's see... Harriet the Spy is something I read every year, as well as the Paul Zindel novels. I too reread the Narnia books every chance I get, and I've said before that I have this perverse need to read Danny Orlis books -- the noble religious boy who doesn't dance, smoke, swear, watch television, listen to the radio, masturbate, or miss Church. When I was a teenager I devoured my mother's Jackie Collins books (o.k., probably for all the sex, but still, they were a hoot), and although I hate them now, I was into those creepy V.C. Andrews Flowers in the Attic books. Oh, and one book I MUST reread every year or so is The Andy Warhol Diaries!!!! NOTHING BETTER THAN THAT! Oh, LOL, I like the odd cheesy celeb bio, but I find it even more fun with B stars, and so I read Debby Boone's "So Far" and Jolie Gabor's autobiography every so often. Oh, and since I like to be creeped out, I always pay revisits to the Ann Rule books, especially Small Sacrifices, and gotta read The Amittyville Horror, The Ghost of Flight 401, and Helter Skelter every couple of years. I also somehow inherited the whole series of those "Her" and "Him" and "Us" books by good ole anonymous, which I am sure I loved as a kid because of, well, the sex, but they are so funny and hokey and cheesy now to read them I gotta read them to get a laugh once in a while now. Oh, and one of my alltime favorite books is Judy Blume's "Smart Women". The best. And Hell dearie, of course I read Playboy for the articles -- where else can you get advice how to mix drinks, match clothes, buy a car, and honestly, the interviews with stars are so candid and long -- they rock! And, of course, when they pay some celeb a trillion dollars to do some arsty-fartsy nude thing, it's fun to realize that yes, Farrah really IS smoking crack! I wish it was Friday, Evian np: Head on the Door -- The Cure ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:40:37 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Offnight BackstreetNJC In a message dated 11/21/00 9:28:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << I know this won't cheer you up, but baldness is sexy! >> Cheered me right up Colin! I'm ready to go to the UK where my follically impaired head will be appreciated. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:46:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: graying NJC i confess that i got the gray in the pubes before i got the gray anywhere else. this is the order in which i've been graying: 1-pubes [lower sections] 2-beard 3-temples 4-whatever comes next i don't dislike gray pubes, and i've been known to ever so emphatically go for gray mustaches!!! wallyK, who has only a FEW gray hairs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:53:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: comb-oversNJC oh lord almighty! the comb-over!!!!! the horror, the horror!!!!!! what inexplicable delusion makes men think that they can get away with a comb-over?!?!?!?!? apart from the fact that bald is SSSOOOOOOOOO SEXY [i mean, there are scads of adult sites dedicated solely to the bald and their admirers], the comb-over is such a disservice: you see it, you know that the guy is bald bald bald. no two ways about it. wallyk, sighing for a baldy to come to his life - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de catman Enviado el: Martes, 21 de Noviembre de 2000 10:45 p.m. Para: Jason Maloney CC: Chris Marshall; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Offnight BackstreetNJC I know this won't cheer you up, but baldness is sexy! really appealing. If you do go bald, please DO NOT grow the sides long and comb it over! That is truly awful and makes me wonder if thoise that do it really think we won't notice! Apart from that, it looks bloody awful and much much worse than being bald ever could. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:33:55 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Florida Supreme Court Decision NJC The Florida Supreme Court decision was just announced; the re-count vote totals must be accepted and certified by the Secretary of State. Before this gets ripped as a partisan decision, it was the only way they could go: two statutes were in conflict and under case law, the tie is broken by giving weight to the voice of the people, to counting the votes that were cast. The deadline given will force Miami-Dade county to recount much faster than they planned. The Florida Supreme Court's silence on interpreting ballots (hanging chads, swinging chads, dimpled chads) leaves it as it always was: on the county level. I am finding the question of military absentee ballots interesting. Despite the massive bad PR against the Democrats, it would appear that decisions were made on a county by county basis and in actuality the numbers of ballots in almost all counties rejected for no postmark totaled "4" or "6" or "5" per county. The number of ballots that were disqualified from military personnel because the voter WAS NOT REGISTERED or VOTED TWICE is what appears to make those numbers so high. In one Republican county, they were accepting and counting all unpostmarked military ballots that were received within three days of the election, which seems fair to me. Postmark is a requirement for the rest of us but evidently on some military bases, mail is not postmarked. Thus they come up with what seems a reasonable solution. Whatever happens, we have learned that we don't have to have every decision made instantly, the waiting has not destroyed us. We are Americans, we want it all now. Well, we have to wait. This may induce humility as well in whoever gets sworn in as no one has any mandate out of this election. And we have learned that we have problems in how we vote. Voting procedures have always been a state matter, and even more, a county matter. In my own county there are several different systems used. Humorously, I ran for City Council in 1983 and lost by a fraction of the vote, really close. The person who beat me always believed that one of the precincts was reported wrong; if she was right, then she would have trounced me, but if the reported vote was correct, I swept our shared precinct to make it a very close race but still a defeat for me. There was no point in a recount since she would have won in any case, but an example of vote totals not always what they seem. Even more humorously, about six years ago in Kalamazoo they announced the results of a race with three candidates and everyone was stunned: the favorite came in last and the upstart newcomer won! After several days of reflection of the big upset, the county clerk announced: opps, the new computer software read the vote backwards... One reason that I ran for County Clerk was that our city uses machines and by placing in small type the local ballot issues at the top of the machine (where the older folks cannot reach the lever; I have to stand on tiptoes to reach the top of the machine) the vote is of course manipulated; they assume the elderly will vote "no" on all the tax issues and charter amendments so by making it physically difficult for them to vote, they decrease the no vote. I ran on a platform that included getting rid of the machines and investigating new technology. I was partial to the "ATM" type touch-screen system or the "reader" that a ballot can be run through and the voter informed if there are flaws in the voted ballot, such as double voting or "clinging" chads or whatever, so the voter can correct the ballot before it is cast. Maybe we need a few years to rationally study how to improve our methods of voting. That will not be a bad national debate. And I will be quiet again as I know I am boring everyone. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:40:13 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: songs with street names Album titles: 461 Ocean Blvd. Abbey Road - -- Beale Street Blues (I have Louis Armstrong singing it. Hot!) - -- All the best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:44:47 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Not so PC books - NJC Here's my reading list: PC Magazine (for Personal Computer, not Politically Correct) "A+ Certification" ( a computer book) "Network + Certification" (a computer networking book) (....do you detect a pattern?) Stereophile Magazine Want ads in the Sunday paper JMDL in digest mode, every single day until I "assume room temperature" as Bob Muller put it. I guess we all will eventually, right? Bummer, man. Lama ps- I miss my Lit courses where I read "Beloved". This is when I knew I was a closet writer. np: James Taylor's "Walking Man". I would never nominate this album for "greatest" anything- I just love it! So it's a personal favorite. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:23:18 +0800 (PHT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: street songs NJC Oxford Street, Everything But The Girl On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 mintagli@email.ypf.com.ar wrote: > Fascination Street, The Cure ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:11:11 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: street names Oh, hey!! Remember this one!? "Ventura Highway" by America sorry for the one-liner! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:17:45 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: what I'm thankful for Wow. I just watched Video Tree #2, Volume #2 and I would like to thank everyone who was involved with putting this together. This is the first video I've gotten through the JMDL, and I am just knocked out by how wonderful it is. Joni in 1967. Joni in 1994. Joni singing. Joni talking. Even Joni cartoons. If TV were always this great, I'd never leave my couch. Next time someone asks me why I'm so crazy about Joni Mitchell, I'll just put this video in the VCR. And if anyone asks me why I'm such a big Ashara fan, well, I'll put this video in the VCR. Thanks to Ashara and Simon and anyone else who may have contributed to these tape trees. I am very, very thankful for all your hard work and generosity. And thanks to Les for making the JMDL happen. Happy Thanksgiving to all the JMDLers in the US. Have a great week, everybody. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:45:42 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Grey hair NJC > I'd take going grey over losing hair, I really would. I'm convinced I'm > beginning to thin out on top...I keep checking, trying to see if I > *actually* am or not. I'm still not sure. It seemed to start on the week > of my 29th Birthday, but it could just be my paranoia. I had hopes of a > silvery look into my late-30s or early-40s. It's not just men who go grey, believe me! Both my mother and sister started at 18 - mine held out another 7-8 years or so, and I noticed the first few at about 25. Now there is LOTS of grey/white! Haven't noticed any down below, but then I can't say I've really been looking - and I'm not sure I want to know! Not planning on dying it - although occasionally I do colour my hair. But that's because I get sick of the boring mousy-brown, not the white - I did the full peroxide a couple of years ago, so I know what I've got in store! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:32:46 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Street Songs (NJC) Respectable Street - XTC Penny Lane - The Beatles Psycho Street - Richard Thompson Love Street - The Doors On The Street Where You Live - Lerner & Loew Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:32:31 -0800 (PST) From: marton jc Subject: Re: Trees , Books ... oh and im back (NJC) well, of course , i leave the web for a small bit of time and miss yet another tree. must remember to put then lean on victor for a hook-up. heh heh heh. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ most of the books I've enjoyed the most have been ones that I've stumbled upon by accident. heres a few writers and books that I've stumbled upon and liked : - Richard Brautigan --anything by him ... they range from poetry to private dick novels to gothic western's to hippiesque stories all written in a wonderful poetic and simple style . some good titles are : Trout Fishing in America -the ultimate Brautigan starter. The Pill verses the Springhill mine disaster- a book of poems to make you forget what you know of poetry. A Confederate General from Big Sur - - with it's great characters In Watermelon Sugar - my favorite . a love story. are just a few ( maybe more than a few . but i could have kept going). James Simon Kunen - the fellow who wrote The Strawberry Statement ... also his follow up books Standard Operating Procedure : Notes of a Draft-age American and the third (blank on the name now ) about him later in life, as a attorney . Manuel Puig- wrote Kiss of the SpiderWoman and a book that i always loved for the title alone Eternal Curse On The Reader Of These Pages. John Peirson -Spike, Mike, Slackers and Dykes film director's book on indie film making. Norman Rosten- he wrote a book called Over and Out that really moved me . also somewhere on my bookshelves is a copy of The Diary of Laura Palmer ( ok, so i was a Twin Peaks fan ) and a book by a strange guy named Ernest Mann called I Was Robot (Utopia Now Possible) . rants and ramblings to the extreme. ############################## okay ... i think i got a bit carried away ... anyway, for those who don't know me .... im Jess from Atlanta ... it's great to be back . Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 04:41:57 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Trees , Books ... oh and im back (NJC) jess, is your family hungarian? wallyK, another manuel puig fan, but that's the subject of a long post to come ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:49:05 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Re: Not so PC books - NJC Terry Prachett, for my sins, is my favourite 'trashy' novelist. His 'Discworld' novels are a hoot intended, I would suggest, to be read by the more juvenile of readers. They are comedic fantasy-world stories with titles like 'The Fifth Elephant', 'Hogfather', 'Carpe Jugulum'.......you get the picture. Just a little embarrassing to be seen reading on the tube (underground) and not quite in the same league as Herman Hesse and Patrick Suskind. Oh another cracker is Robert Rankin. I loved 'The Sprouts of Wrath'. Les (London - coming back down to earth with a bump after a break in glorious Spain) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #619 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?