From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #616 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, November 20 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 616 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: books-rushdie NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: NZ politics NJC ["Hell" ] Re: MAD Magazine - NJC ["Hell" ] Sign-ups for VideoTree #2 Close at midnight today! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Joni's Loves and Music [mags ] re: cat euthenasia [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Cat Euthanasia [NJC] [Jerry Notaro ] RE: songwriting teams NJC ["Peg Eves" ] Joni Moment ["Blair Fraipont" ] another Joni cover - instrumental [Anne Sandstrom ] RE: What do you like to read? (NJC) MAD Magazine lovers! ["Lori R. Fye" <] Joni Met Nash in Ottawa? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni's Loves and Music (md) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Cat Euthanasia [NJC] [catman ] John Irving (NJC) ["Phil Klein" ] Re: Subject: books-rushdie NJC [Seanapper@aol.com] Today in Joni History - November 19 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - November 20 [Today in Joni History ] songs with street names [Anne Sandstrom ] News for AOL users [Les Irvin ] Re: books-rushdie NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Gross out on TV, Saturday Night Live, NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: NZ politics NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: songs with street names ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] birthday greetings njc ["joe farrell" ] Re: NZ politics NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: John Irving (NJC) [catman ] Re: songs with street names [JRMCo1@aol.com] Joni in Vietnam and other assorted ramblings [SMEBD@aol.com] PC men/women NJC [catman ] Re: songs with street names ["Diane Evans" ] Slow list today? [dsk ] Re: What do you like to read (NJC) ["Diane Evans" ] Re: NZ politics NJC ["Hell" ] RE: Not so PC books - NJC ["Deb Messling" ] RE: Offnight Backstreet ["Wally Kairuz" ] Here is a great offer [Michael Paz ] Re: songs with street names [CaliMermeyd@aol.com] VideoTree #2 & The TapeTree Faq [simon@icu.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:42:10 +0800 (PHT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: books-rushdie NJC `east-west' is a good collection of short stories from salman rushdie. i like rushdie's magical realism in that it is quite different from the magical realism of Latin American writers like Garbriel Garcia Marquez, Laura Esquivel, Isabel Allende. you can always try rushdie's celebrated `satanic verses' whuch may be incendiary but contains some of the finest prose writing i ever read. joseph (a fan of ishiguro, too) On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, BarBearUh wrote: > Azeem wrote: "Salman Rushdie's The Ground Beneath Her Feet was pretty > good, although in a different way." > > i read this as well. i can't say i liked it very much, though i liked > the way he wrote. that is to say, i thought the story was weak but his > prose wasn't. can anyone recommend another book by him? > > barbara > np: youssou n'dour, the lion ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:34:00 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: NZ politics NJC > Ken wrote: > > > Same system in Canada, basically. In Canada, in federal elections, you vote for > > your local MP, not for the Prime Minister (president) . The MP who wins gets one > > seat in parliament. The party which ends up with the most seats forms the next > > Government and the Prime Minister is the head of that party. It is quite > > possible for a party to win the largest percentage of the vote but not to form > > the next Government because it didn't win as many seats. Sound familiar. > > and mags chimes in: > and with our federal election only a week or so away, we are all watching with > baited breath what Doris Day (formally known as Stockwell Day) has to say. He is one > scary homophobic, racist sick puppy b****** and Im leaving the country if he gets > elected. That ok with y'all??? We have a similar system here, although we have something called MMP, which stands for Mixed Member Proportional representation. Everyone has two votes, one for a party (which will effectively decide the Prime Minister), and one for a local MP. The candidate in your electorate with the most votes becomes the electorate MP. The party vote decides the share of all seats in Parliament. Each party will have "list members" who may not be elected in their electorate, but may become MP's because the party needs to fill all the seats they've won. With this method, you can get some real morons into Parliament! It's all rather confusing and I don't like it! But it seems to be much the same everywhere in the world - no one seems to have an electoral system that works or is liked. And by the way, I thought I'd already told everyone they have to leave their countries for New Zealand, and nowhere else! Are you listening Wally? Stop trying to lure everyone to South America! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:40:54 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: MAD Magazine - NJC Deb wrote: > Oh my god, I was a Mad junkie, and I especially loved those musical > parodies. To this day, I don't know any of the real words to any song from > "Oklahoma," but I can sing "007, you're the greatest spy there is today," > and "Bentley with the Blonde Up Front." And I just rediscovered one of my favourites the other day - Career-oriented Mother Goose: Taffy Was A Hitman (as told by a Mafia Don) Taffy was a hitman Taffy made good bread Taffy pulled a double-cross And killed his Capo dead Taffy had an alibi But his mob could tell Taffy's tale was full of holes Now Taffy is, as well! I also love the Mad Primers, especially the one on Ice Hockey - see the big man with no teeth, etc., etc. Hilarious! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:54:06 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Sign-ups for VideoTree #2 Close at midnight today! Don't be left out! Go to: < http://www.jmdl.com/trading/leafsignup.cfm > to sign up. Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:14:49 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: Joni's Loves and Music my bro Bob wrote: > < of what the songs are about to HER, but rather what they mean to us on a > purely individual level.>> and mags writes: I agree with you Bob. What I have discovered, in addition to this notion of relating my own experiences to her words, is that the meaning for each song can change with time. Today, I am enjoying Joni songs from Blue for example in a whole new way. I can associate them with the joy I feel inside as I am filled with love in my heart rather than sadness. A Case of You comes to mind. I am hearing those lyrics in a completely different way. I support anyone who wishes to seek meaning and take sanctuary within Joni's songs. To discover a connection, a sense of "I'm not alone in this" is a wonderful thing which can bring great relief in times of trouble. That's the draw. That is one of many reasons why I love her lyrics and music so much. Mags npimh: Two More Nights > > > - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:28:03 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: re: cat euthenasia Having been in a state that sounds not unlike what this poor cat is going through (complications after surgery - I was dying, but fortunately and obviously recovered), I have to agree with Colin. The cat can't complain, but is suffering. poor little soul - I hope your pain and discomfort end soon... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:46:56 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Cat Euthanasia [NJC] And if any of you do decide on putting your pet to sleep, be brave and hold your pet during the procedure. It will be so much more comforting to them than to be handed to strangers. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:11:17 -0500 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: songwriting teams NJC Fagan & Becker > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Mark > or Travis > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 1:49 PM > To: Victor Johnson; joni > Subject: Re: songwriting teams NJC > > > > I realize upon thinking about it that those words came from Bernie > and must > > have been inspired by things in his life. Then they're added to > Elton's > > music which has its own inspiration. This kind of partnership seems > unusual > > as songwriting is such a personal matter. > > Not unusual at all: > > Lennon/McCartney > Goffin/King > Bacharach/David > Rogers/Hart > Rogers/Hammerstein > Lerner/Lowe > Holland/Dozier/Holland > > The list goes on & on. The separate composer & lyricist model was > once more the norm than the exception. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:16:19 EST From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Joni Moment This saturday, i went on a hay ride with the University of Delaware's LGBSU. WE had a blast and the one of the best parts was singing Joni songs with my friend Steph in the hay ride. Eventhough, i murdered the melodies, we had a ball singing them. Sometimes when she least expects it, I'll start singing Harry's House or Edith and the Kingpin to Steph, and she cant resist but to chime in with me. Okay, sort of corny, but you know that sentimental, hay-ride, fun can be? blair :) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:19:34 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: another Joni cover - instrumental I've been hearing an Alex deGrassi cover of "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" lately. It's instrumental. Pretty cool version... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:17:58 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Cat Euthanasia [NJC] In a message dated 11/20/00 9:49:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: << And if any of you do decide on putting your pet to sleep, be brave and hold your pet during the procedure. >> in 1986 my wife and i bought a dalmation. he grew and became really aggressive. we never mistreated him or anything like that. i loved that dog and he was very gentle with me but with kids in the neighborhood, he would go crazy. finally we gave him away to a man who had a farm. in three days, the man brought him back to us because he couldn't handle him. i was first elated because i missed the dog so much. but then the reality of the problem set in again. finally i took him to the vet and the vet recommended putting him down. so i stayed with him and held him in my arms while he was put down. it was a very moving experience. and when i got home i cried like a baby with my wife for a few minutes. but since then, i've never felt any remorse about it and i think staying with the dog and holding it was the key to making the experience liveable for me years later. patrick np. simple psalm-f.simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:24:50 -0500 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: another weird Joni moment. This is not as strange as "Edith and the Kingpin" at the grocery store, which happens more frequently that one might think...but I heard "Refuge of the Roads" at a Bennigan's during lunch on Saturday. My ears perked up at the opening chords, and I got this strange feeling of "Am I asleep? No wonder this salad is better than ususal.", but there it was. I love that. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:37:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: RE: What do you like to read? (NJC) MAD Magazine lovers! Deb wrote: > Oh my god, I was a Mad junkie, and I especially > loved those musical parodies. To this day, I don't > know any of the real words to any song from > "Oklahoma," but I can sing "007, you're the greatest > spy there is today," and "Bentley with the Blonde Up > Front." I can't remember any more than this, but here's part of the one I remember from MAD, sung to the tune of "Moon River:" Chopped liver! Onions on the side My social life has died From you! Lori in DC (who is owing everyone letters these days ... please be patient, dear friends) Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:06:45 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni Met Nash in Ottawa? At http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/960622oc.cfm today I read that Joni met Graham in Ottawa. Graham was still in the Hollies. Apparently this was before she moved to L.A. with David. Previously I had thought that she met Graham in L.A.. Hmmmm..... The article didn't mention any date attached to the meeting. Does someone have a timeline? Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:23:01 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni's Loves and Music (md) Joni, explaining her boyfriends to her Mum: "Think of me as a Catholic priest that drinks a little with the dock workers." I apologize for lifting this statement out of its surroundings, although I would argue that it's not taken out of context. :) Anyway, here she has boiled it all down to a bumpersticker and naturally, she's done it brilliantly. Anyway, if you want to read the interview for yourself, it's at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/9808mojo.cfm . And thanks Les, as always. :) Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:51:28 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Cat Euthanasia [NJC] Pat-you did the right thing. A very difficult choice to make but the correct one. A bad temperament is dangerous and often cannot be trained away. Bad tempered dogs and cats should never ever be bred from. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:05:30 GMT From: "Phil Klein" Subject: John Irving (NJC) barbara wrote: >i went from "widow" to that book. then read "cider house rules", which made me want to read "david copperfield". i can really see how influenced by dickens irving is. irving is also, i think, very influenced by davies, and in fact he paid homage to him in 'owen meany' when the narrator taught davies to canadian high-schoolers. by the way, i haven't read irving's new 'widow', but i place 'owen meany' very high in my list of books. not quite as high as 'hotel new hampshire'. unlike barbara and a lot of other listers, i reread a lot a lot a lot. i often finish books and go back and reread chapters that were particularly gorgeous. but 'hotel new hampshire' is the only book i've ever finished, turned back to page 1, and read again. just a fantastic >book. Yes, I've also read most of Irving, and totally agree about 'hotel new hampshire', and I also loved 'garp'. However, I think he went steadily downhill from there. 'Cider House Rules' is OK, but much of the good stuff seems to be cribbed from his grandfather's medical journals; 'Son of the Circus' left me cold, and I thought 'widow' was really pretty poor. Much of his present popularity seems to be based on his earlier novels. And I do so wish he wouldn't try to copy Dickens - so often we get piss-poor attempts at 'characterisation'- like a description of facial features or something, which are about the same standard as you get in fourth-form English class (I exaggerate slightly). Dickens is THE MAN for this - IM(not so very H)O, 'Martin Chuzzlewit' is worth all of Irving's books glued together. (Not to mention all the fine things Dickens had to say about the Americans) . Shame about this aspect of Irving, because it would be nice if there were some American novelists who could occasionally reach the standards set by their English counterparts . By the by, I really like William Boyd - 'ice cream war', 'brazzaville beach', 'new confessions'. Anyone with me on this? Phil _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:14:50 EST From: Seanapper@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: books-rushdie NJC About Salman Rushdie books: my favorite is the controversial "The Satanic Verses." Loved it. But it took me three attempts to get through it; I tend to read a book part-way through, then set it down, then pick it up again a month or two (or more) later to finish it. That method doesn't work well with Rushdie's novels, particularly with Satanic Verses, as he introduces many characters and side stories and often leaps backward and forward in time. If I set the book down for too long, I find I'm lost when I pick it back up. So I start over. I also read half of Rushdie's "The Moor's Last Sigh" and enjoyed it. Unfortunately, the book was in my backpack that got stolen so I didn't finish it. I'm currently in my second round of reading the first half of Rushdie's "Shame," another enjoyable book that one should read straight through rather than putting it down for awhile. Neil in Seattle In a message dated 11/20/00 12:28:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:37:19 -0500 From: BarBearUh Subject: books-rushdie NJC Azeem wrote: "Salman Rushdie's The Ground Beneath Her Feet was pretty good, although in a different way." i read this as well. i can't say i liked it very much, though i liked the way he wrote. that is to say, i thought the story was weak but his prose wasn't. can anyone recommend another book by him? barbara np: youssou n'dour, the lion ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 00:58:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 19 1966: Joni performs at the Second Fret in Philadelphia alone and with Chuck Mitchell. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:01:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 20 1976: Joni, with John Sebastian, Country Joe McDonald and Fred Neil, takes part in "California Celebrates The Whales Day" at the Memorial Auditorium in Sacramento, California. (From Wally's bio page:) Joni and Jaco finally performed together in Sacramento at a Whales benefit hosted by then Governor Jerry Brown. She performed a wonderful set with Bobbye Hall on congas joining Jaco on bass. Joni's solo acoustic encore of "Song For Sharon" was a stunning triumph, and she returned later to sing back-up during Fred Neil's performance of his song, "The Dolphins." - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:30:55 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: songs with street names This is sort of a fun exercise. We're naming the corridors here at work after song titles that have street names. Of course, I suggested Sisotowbell Lane Cotton Avenue And here's the list so far: Route 66 Easy Street Broadway Highway to the Danger Zone Highway to Hell King's Row 77 Sunset Strip Seventh Avenue Madison Avenue 461 Ocean Blvd Creeque Alley Boulevard of Broken Dreams Tin Pan Alley Penny Lane Nightingale Square Road to Nowhere Heartbreak Hotel Sunset Boulevard 42nd Street Yellow Brick Road Long and Winding Road Freeway of Love Abbey Road Thunder Road (Do It in the) Road Basin Street Positively) 4th Street Baker treet Greenflower Street Green Dolphin Street Where the streets have no name Sesame Street If you can think of any others, please let me know. Thanks! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:51:07 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: News for AOL users Hi Folks - Smoe has successfully installed the filter that converts incoming HTML mail into a plain text format that majordomo can read. This means that no longer do you have to have your email software set to 'plain text only' when sending mail to the list. AOL users may now upgrade to 6.0 without having to worry. Thanks, Les NP: Cat Stevens "Lilywhite" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:51:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: books-rushdie NJC - --- BarBearUh wrote: > Azeem wrote: "Salman Rushdie's The Ground Beneath > Her Feet was pretty > good, although in a different way." > > i read this as well. i can't say i liked it very > much, though i liked > the way he wrote. that is to say, i thought the > story was weak but his > prose wasn't. can anyone recommend another book by > him? > I've liked everything I've read by Rushdie. There's always the (in)famous "Satanic Verses", but my favourite is "Midnight's Children". If you were going to read only one book by him (or one more!), I'd recommend "Midnight's Children." Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:56:43 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Gross out on TV, Saturday Night Live, NJC - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Did anyone see the cartoon feature on Saturday Night > Live called "Sex In the > Country" last night? It was a take off on "Sex In > the City" but amazingly, > featured a cartoon man having sex with farm animals, > with dialog, over and > over and over. Iiwwwww! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:00:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - November 20 <> This IS a good set, and don't forget the extended bass solo that Jaco throws on the end of "Jericho". It would bring the walls down for sure! It's available to anyone interested. Bob NP: Lynyrd Skynyrd, "You've Got That Right" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:01:46 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: What do you like to read (NJC) - --- dsk wrote: > For years, when I was younger and much more serious, > I read only the > "classics", usually by culture (love French > literature, Les Miserables > especially, and all of Balzac and Stendahl, Despite the fact that I majored in French, and despite the fact that I love 19th century English literature, I never could get into Balzac, Stendahl and so on. I have no idea why that is. >... but forced myself through the Russian books; each > character having 5 nicknames > that sound nothing like the original name got on my > nerves; at the end of War > and Peace I still had to refer to the list of > characters and all their > nicknames at the front of the book, sad, I know, but > by then I'd gotten the > "war is bad" message a million times, and I > apparently was never very engaged > by the characters, whatever their name is, whoever > they were). > This cracked me right up - can I ever identify with that! What a relief to find I'm not the only one! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:03:05 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: songs with street names 49th Street Bride Song Offnight Backstreet (don't know about this one, I've never found out what it means) Four Way Street Moon Over Bourbon Street NP-New Bohemians, 7/26/00-Go Where You Are Wanted At 3:30 PM -0500 11/20/00, Anne Sandstrom wrote: >This is sort of a fun exercise. We're naming the corridors here at work >after song titles that have street names. Of course, I suggested > >Sisotowbell Lane >Cotton Avenue > >And here's the list so far: - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:09:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NZ politics NJC - --- Hell wrote: > And by the way, I thought I'd already told everyone > they have to leave their > countries for New Zealand, and nowhere else! Are > you listening Wally? Stop > trying to lure everyone to South America! Hold on there just a minute. Before I leave here, I need to know what kind of governments you have right now and if there's any elections in the offing. If we Canadians get stuck with Doris, I just don't think I can sit it out for 4 or 5 yrs until the next election is called, so I want to make really sure I'm not leaving the frying pan for the fire! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:04:03 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Re: songs with street names How about Dead Man's Curve? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:23:34 -0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: birthday greetings njc Wally and the birthday gang, Thanks a million for the greetings, much appreciated. Having a good day and you've brightened it up even more. Cheers, Joe. NP Van Morrison Back On Top ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:40:35 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NZ politics NJC Catherine wrote: > Hold on there just a minute. Before I leave here, I > need to know what kind of governments you have right > now and if there's any elections in the offing. If we > Canadians get stuck with Doris, I just don't think I > can sit it out for 4 or 5 yrs until the next election > is called, so I want to make really sure I'm not > leaving the frying pan for the fire! I'm curious too, Hell. A number of people I know talk about NZ as a good place to escape to - I think because we hear how beautiful and safe it is, plus it's isolated enough to stay out of a lot of the fray in the world. I just learned that one friend actually did serious research about how to immigrate there a few years ago and he said that to get let in quickly one needed to bring about $100K with them (not for a pay-off but as a show of self-sufficiency). Guess I'll have to start saving up ;-) It's also interesting to learn that Canada and NZ also have representative models similar to that of the U.S. Electoral College. I read a British newspaper article the other day which explained that the U.K. has a similar model, too. Also read that some countries have a "run-off" style voting ballot where people mark their 1st, 2nd and 3rd choices of all candidates. I imagine NZ has less complications in their elections, being smaller and therefore more manageable countries. Here the news media has already called the Florida Supreme Court decision for Gore, even though the justice benches are still warm. It will be interesting to see what happens in the U.S. if Florida allows open-ended periods for multiple vote recounts. Seems to me that the other states will have to demand the same. In the future, all the states will probably have to vote in January in order to have all the results in and certified by the end of the year ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:31:50 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: John Irving (NJC) Phil Klein wrote: > barbara wrote: > > >i went from "widow" to that book. then read "cider > house rules", we just watched the film of this book. Enjoyed it too. Makes a change to see a film involving an orphanage where the children are actually loved by the staff and are treated well. It was somewhat disturbing that the behaviour of the father who was having sex with his daughter was ignored by the others. It took the young Homer to put him straight. Still, that is how the abuse of children happens. People turn a blind eye. The time period of the film was no different to today in that respect. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:52:35 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: songs with street names Sesame Street Theme Music and Lyrics by Joe Raposo, Jon Stone & Bruce Hart Sunny Day Sweepin' the clouds away On my way to where the air is sweet Can you tell me how to get, How to get to Sesame Street Come and play Everything's A-OK Friendly neighbors there That's where we meet Can you tell me how to get How to get to Sesame Street It's a magic carpet ride Every door will open wide To happy people like you-- Happy people like What a beautiful Sunny Day Sweepin' the clouds away On my way to where the air is sweet Can you tell me how to get, How to get to Sesame Street... How to get to Sesame Street How to get to... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:58:02 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Joni in Vietnam and other assorted ramblings I just came back from a 2 week vacation in Vietnam--what a wonderful adventure I had. My lover, Rusty, and I began our trip with an overnight in LA and had the opportunity to meet Kakki and "Coyote" Rick for lunch at The Daily Grill (you expected some other eatery?). The trip was off to a great beginning: Kakki and Rick were exactly as I expected them to be. Kakki is as bright and insightful as her postings--a true delight to be with. Rick is as open and warm as his correspondences--he made me feel like I had known him for years. Rusty and I left the lunch feeling that we had two new friends in LA (and two more reasons to move to LA--our dream, but that is another story). We talked about Kakki and Rick throughout the trip. It was really a delightful evening. While in Vietnam, I had two Joni experiences. One evening when we were in Hanoi, we turned on the TV to get the election results, and as we were changing channels, I heard Joni singing ACOY (HBO was showing the movie "Practical Magic", and Joni is on the soundtrack.) Then, on our last full day, we were in the Mekong Delta and as we are meeting our guide for the day, I hear the radio in the background and I recognized the tune as BSN (being sung by a Vietnamese folk/rock group). Rusty and I looked at one another in total shock. It was very surreal. Always thinking of Bob :-) I did try to find out who was singing BSN, but the language barrier proved to be too much and no one could figure out what I was asking. One person thought that I was saying that I wrote the song, and another thought that I knew Joni. If only either of those scenarios was true! At any rate, the trip was a wonderful adventure that began with meeting Kakki and Rick and ended with a new cover to look for!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:57:26 +0000 From: catman Subject: PC men/women NJC HOW TO SPEAK ABOUT WOMEN AND BE POLITICALLY CORRECT *She is not a BABE or a CHICK - She is a BREASTED AMERICAN. *She is not a SCREAMER or MOANER - She is VOCALLY APPRECIATIVE. *She is not EASY - She is HORIZONTALLY ACCESSIBLE. *She is not DUMB - She is a DETOUR OFF THE INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY. *She has not BEEN AROUND - She is a PREVIOUSLY ENJOYED COMPANION. *She is not an AIRHEAD - She is REALITY IMPAIRED. *She does not get DRUNK or TIPSY - She gets CHEMICALLY INCONVENIENCED. *She is not HORNY - She is SEXUALLY FOCUSED. *She does not have BREAST IMPLANTS - She is MEDICALLY ENHANCED. *She does not NAG YOU - She becomes VERBALLY REPETITIVE *She is not a SLUT - She is SEXUALLY EXTROVERTED. *She does not have MAJOR LEAGUE HOOTERS - She is PECTORALLY SUPERIOR. *She is not a TWO BIT WHORE - She is a LOW COST PROVIDER. HOW TO SPEAK ABOUT MEN AND BE POLITICALLY CORRECT: *He does not have a BEER GUT - He has developed a LIQUID GRAIN STORAGE FACILITY *He is not a BAD DANCER - He is OVERLY CAUCASIAN *He does not GET LOST ALL THE TIME - He INVESTIGATES ALTERNATIVE DESTINATIONS *He is not BALDING - He is in FOLLICLE REGRESSION *He is not a CRADLE ROBBER - He prefers GENERATIONALLY DIFFERENTIAL RELATIONSHIPS *He does not get FALLING-DOWN DRUNK -He becomes ACCIDENTALLY HORIZONTAL *He does not act like a TOTAL ASS - He develops a case of RECTAL-CRANIAL INVERSION *He is not a MALE CHAUVINIST PIG - He has SWINE EMPATHY - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:40:22 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: songs with street names Does Rt. 66 qualify? _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:00:48 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Slow list today? I've received only 6 Joni messages since 2:42 am, which is very unusual. Is the list that quiet today? Or is it time to call my friends at bellatlantic.net again? Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:10:20 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: What do you like to read (NJC) Debra, You wrote: >And for enjoyment and inspiration, some art books are in the pile too. >Currently the most thumbed ones are of frescoes by Fra Angelico and >paintings >and drawings by Gustav Klimt. There's something about the elegance and >stillness of the figures and all that gold leaf used by both artists that >appeals to me these days, although boldly colorful Matisse is never far >away. I'm curious. Do you look at these books "simply" for the joy of the art? Or do you also read the text? Are they books of the collections, biographies, or criticisms? I read a lot of art books (lately more biographical) and always wonder if, when other people do, whether they are in the field or not. Fra Angelico has long been a favorite; he reminds me of Raphael and Botecelli as well. (I think my spelling is off there, but I'm too tired to care much.) For sheer moxie, I love Fra Fillipo, too. I like more of Matisse's later works, when his eyes and hands were failing him and he made all those wonderful arabesques of color and form. Do you enjoy Albrecht Durer? I think he has that same clarity of form that catches our breath in Angelico and Raphael. I have a hard time thinking of Klimt without thinking of Shakespeare, for some reason. There's a feeling of tragic love and honor lurking in his work. Who else do you like? Anyone more contemporary? Diane _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:10:53 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: PJ Harvey NJC last week I wrote: << Michael, thanks for your reviews of PJ. I always respect what you have to say about different artist (plus you love Madonna's "Music" too :~) ) I've agreed with Debra to swap "Rid of Me" for her latest one. I'm pretty open minded about all music, so hopefully I'll change my mind about PJ. >> A big thanks to Debra!!! I received PJ's "Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea" After one listen, I can tell already that I'm going to like it. Michael Y., maybe you were right about the reason I detested "Rid of Me" was because of Steve Albini's production. PJ's new CD is nothing at all like "Rid of Me." I gave ROM another listen before whisking it off to Debra this morning, and my dogs were running under the bed. I can't believe it's the same artist.............anyway many thanks to Debra for sending me "Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea." The best trade I ever made! Jimmy NP- PJ Harvey's "We Float" (I never imagined me saying NP- PJ Harvey) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:01:17 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Vietnam and other assorted ramblings << I recognized the tune as BSN (being sung by a Vietnamese folk/rock group). >> This would really be cool to hear! We have it in French, but not in Vietnamese. Thanks for relaying that story, Stephen, and I'm glad you & Rusty had such a memorable trip and made it back safe & sound! Bob NP: God Must Be A Boogie Man, London '83 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:13:57 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Offnight Backstreet << Offnight Backstreet (don't know about this one, I've never found out what it means) >> My take on the phrase, and it seems to be corroborated by Joni's lyrics, is that the "Offnight Backstreet" is a person who is either an old lover or just a change of pace from the other's current relationship. The lyrics say that the new girl has moved in with him, but it doesn't sound like the guy has totally abandoned his old flame either. He'll go to her on an "offnight", or have her over when his live-in is gone, thus the "long black hair in our bathtub drain". "Backstreet" means that he has to keep their meetings clandestine, so they meet in the darker backstreets instead of the main streets. Again, lots of duality...frostbite & sunstroke, lines you put there and lines you erase, the lyrics are a little cryptic but the story seems to be pretty clear. It's a great song; I've always wondered why she ended it the way she did - maybe the lack of a resolution in the song is synonomous with the dangling relationship... Bob NP: A Case of You, London '83 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:19:28 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Today in Joni History - November 20 i've always wondered why joni credits ms. bobbye hall ''in spirit'' in djrd. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de SCJoniGuy@aol.com Enviado el: Lunes, 20 de Noviembre de 2000 06:00 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Today in Joni History - November 20 <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:22:48 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Not so PC books - NJC OK, we've done the "what are your favourite books" and everyone's obviously very well-read - some more than others, and I'm not including myself in that group! I tend to see reading as escapism for the most part, so enjoy good gripping fiction more than non-fiction (although musical biographies tend to interest me a lot). So now for the real truth! What authors/books do you read that you'd rather NOT admit to. We've done this with the music thread recently, and discovered all the closet-Brittany Spears fans out there, so 'fess up. I'll get the ball rolling by admitting that I still love reading C.S. Lewis' The Chronicles Of Narnia, even though they're classed as childrens books. I've also got several very trashy novels in my collection, that have been read more than once, eg. Lace, Lace 2, The Blue Lagoon - yes you read that right, it's the original book and has a lovely photo of Brooke and Christopher on the cover! So how many of you DON'T read Playboy for the articles? Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:42:30 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: NZ politics NJC Kakki wrote: > I'm curious too, Hell. A number of people I know talk about NZ as a good > place to escape to - I think because we hear how beautiful and safe it is, > plus it's isolated enough to stay out of a lot of the fray in the world. I > just learned that one friend actually did serious research about how to > immigrate there a few years ago and he said that to get let in quickly one > needed to bring about $100K with them (not for a pay-off but as a show of > self-sufficiency). Guess I'll have to start saving up ;-) It's also > interesting to learn that Canada and NZ also have representative models > similar to that of the U.S. Electoral College. I read a British newspaper > article the other day which explained that the U.K. has a similar model, > too. Also read that some countries have a "run-off" style voting ballot > where people mark their 1st, 2nd and 3rd choices of all candidates. I > imagine NZ has less complications in their elections, being smaller and > therefore more manageable countries. Here the news media has already called > the Florida Supreme Court decision for Gore, even though the justice benches > are still warm. It will be interesting to see what happens in the U.S. if > Florida allows open-ended periods for multiple vote recounts. Seems to me > that the other states will have to demand the same. In the future, all the > states will probably have to vote in January in order to have all the > results in and certified by the end of the year ;-D You're definitely asking the wrong person for political advice! I understand how the system here works, and I know who I like to vote for (and why) but I'm not sure I can adequately describe each political party and their policies! I'll try though: We have an election every three years - which I think is too short a time-frame, but we're stuck with it for now. There are two major parties - Labour and National. Labour is the equivalent of the Democrats, and National the Republicans, ie. Labour is just left-of-centre, and National is just right-of-centre. There are also several minor parties, Alliance, Act, NZ First, Green, etc. Labour are in Govt at present, but in association with Alliance and Green, who they needed to get enough seats to hold power, ie. gain enough parliamentary seats. Act and NZ First tend to side with National on most issues. Green (as you'd expect) are more left-wing, and are heavily concerned with environmental issues. To be perfectly honest, although I have my own reasons for voting the way I do (which I'm not about to divulge, as I believe it's a personal issue) I don't see a vast difference in the policies each political faction has. National had been in power for several years until the last election (1999) and I haven't seen any major changes. Mind you, I am definitely NOT the most politically-savvy person around, so if there have been major changes, I'd probably miss them anyway, unless they directly related to me. Like a tax on Joni Mitchell CDs, or beer ;o) Not much of an analysis, but the best I can do! And thinking about the guy who needed $100k, that's the case for any nationality, I think. Unless you can prove you are needed for a specific type of work, or can find someone to marry quickly! I guess it's not much different than a green card?! Hell P.S. The NBLs (below) have gone official with their own domain name, and we've had a mention on the telly! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:09:00 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Not so PC books - NJC I'm a sucker for a lurid "true crime" book. One of my cherished holiday traditions is to read a serial-killer book the week after Christmas. The most difficult thing for me to admit is that, whatever I read, these days I prefer it in LARGE PRINT. Time for the bifocals. > > So now for the real truth! What authors/books do you read that > you'd rather > NOT admit to. Deb Messling - ------------------------------------ "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:04:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Offnight Backstreet i've always loved the ''lines you put here...lines you erase'' part! sometimes love makes so old and haggard and sometimes...well, it's the best facelift. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de SCJoniGuy@aol.com Enviado el: Lunes, 20 de Noviembre de 2000 11:14 p.m. Para: Harpua@revealed.net; asandstrom@allaire.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Offnight Backstreet It's a great song; I've always wondered why she ended it the way she did - maybe the lack of a resolution in the song is synonomous with the dangling relationship... Bob NP: A Case of You, London '83 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:26:54 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Here is a great offer Here is a great offer for all you CD burners and sluts out there (Hi Bob!) Just passing this along on the fly. Did not mark njc cause I thought it was worthy. Sorry if it wasn't. Paz Buy.com is selling a spindle of 100 of the TDK Certified discs for $38.99. There is also a $20 rebate associated with the purchase, and there is a coupon for $10 off a new buy.com customer, making your total price about $9 for 100 discs. Here are the links. http://www.us.buy.com/retail/computers/category.asp?loc=224 (the rebate offer can also be found there) http://i.am/deardeer (coupons) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:48:53 EST From: CaliMermeyd@aol.com Subject: Re: songs with street names can the street name be within the song, or does it have to be in the title???? - -zelda0 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:52:14 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: VideoTree #2 & The TapeTree Faq yesterday evening i rec'd an eMail message from Ashara and a request for TapeTree information. with her permission, i'm including both her message and the FAQ. although this particular offering is a VideoTree, the FAQs, structure and selection/distribution methods remain the same. >_____________________________________________________________________ >Hi there, simon. Do you have a how-to already written up as to how a >TapeTree works that I can use with the tree structure? (What to do if >you are a Branch/Leaf. There are several people that are new to this >tree thing. I'd like to get this out first thing Tuesday morning, as >I am leaving for NYC on Wednesday. Thanks in advance. > >Hugs, >Ashara >_____________________________________________________________________ For the benefit of our new members, the TapeTree FAQ. TapeTree 101 Thanks to Randy Schechter and David Lybrand from the Neil Young List for the text of this document. MOTIVATION A little propaganda as to the motivation for running trees ... First and foremost it is to share with others quality Joni Mitchell music that others have been lucky enough to obtain. Trees also serve the purpose of helping new tape collectors to get their collections going. People who are new to tape collecting (or to Joni Mitchell's music) are welcome and encouraged to sign up for the tape trees. Another motivation for running trees is to try to discourage people from feeling the need to partake of the large commerical bootleg market out there. Commercial bootleg producers are largely seen to be disrespectful of an artist's rights by cashing in on the artist's music without any consideration for the artist. ______________________________________________________________________ The TREE SEED The first step in the Tree process is finding the seed tape. A seed tape is the tape that will ultimately be used to make everyone's copy. These days recording equipment has gotten so small that almost every show gets taped one way or another. So it's important to seek out a tape worthy to seed the tree. The qualities that are important for a seed tape is that the sound quality be very good to excellent - or that the tape be of a critical event - regardless of quality. The sound quality for tapes degrades with each generation as hiss is introduced in the copying process (This is only true for analog tapes - DAT tapes do not suffer from that kind of degradation). So if we start off with a poor sounding seed tape, the leaf tapes (see below) will be unlistenable. Basically, the standards one uses to decide if a seed tape is "tree worthy" are subjective. They might therefore be lower if the seed is from an older show, or a show where no other copy exists - especially if the particular show includes a "rarity" of some kind. ______________________________________________________________________ BRANCHES and LEAVES Once the seed is in hand, the next step is to select the branch leaders. The branch leaders are the folks who volunteer to spin 3 or 4 (up to 10!) copies of the show for the "Leaves", as in this inverted tree structure: Seed Tape | +----------+------------+----------+----------+ | | | | | Branch Branch Branch Branch Branch | | | | | | | +---------+----------+ | | | Leaf Leaf Leaf ______________________________________________________________________ BRANCH SELECTION It would be nice if a tree only required the Tree Administator to make branch copies and the branch leaders make the leaf copies. However in practice there's more to it, since the tree administrator has to select the branch leaders. The criteria for branch leader selection is most heavily dependent on the quality of the dubbing equipment. In the best of worlds, all branch leaders would have two top of the line single decks (as opposed to dubbing decks) with 3 heads in the tape transports. This would ensure the best copies for everyone. In practice this is not likely, since most of us are not wealthy. Thus the tree administrator tries to ensure that the branch leaders have at least fairly good recording equipment. Another factor for branch leader selection that sometimes is used is to consider the track record of the branch volunteer in previous trees/trades. Ideally, again, we choose people who take the responsibility of being a branch leader seriously over those who have repeatedly caused delays. There are two ways the a tree gets going: The first is to find the seed, spin the branch tapes, open up the tree to everyone for sign-up, and THEN select the branch leaders from the general sign-up population. Another method is to have a separate call for branch leader volunteers BEFORE the tree is opened up for leaf sign-up. This makes the administration a bit easier, and in some cases gives the branch leaders a little breathing room because they can get their copies before the full tree structure gets posted. ______________________________________________________________________ DISTRIBUTING BRANCH TAPES Once the branch leaders are chosen, the Tree Administator makes arrangements to send the branch tapes to the branch leaders. This can be accomplished by either arranging a tape trade for the branch tapes, sending blanks plus return postage, or in some cases sending cash ONLY for the price of the blank tapes and postage. The practice of sending "double blanks" for TreeTapes is Not Allowed! If you are asked to 'PAY' in any way for the music - please blow the whistle on the culprit. You should be willing to make your fellow Joni fans a copy of the show for just the blanks it would take to make the copy, plus return postage. Not everyone agrees with this practice but it will be true for all Trees "sanctioned" by the Joni list. ______________________________________________________________________ GATHERING LEAVES Now that the branch leaders have their tapes, the next step is to open the tree for general sign-up. Trees are run in a spirit of international cooperation, so it may be necessary to have branches in Canada, Europe, Australia and elsewhere. The branch leaders from each nation take care of the leaves from their particular regions, where possible, to simplify mailing and currency transactions (where necessary). However sometimes there will be a fan from another nation on a branch. The tree administrator should get the okay from the branch leader before assigning such leaves to them, though. The tree is generally open for sign-up for 2-4 weeks. After the sign-up is closed, the tree structure is designed and then posted to the list. ______________________________________________________________________ The BRANCH - LEAF Connection Note: Leaves are responsible for contacting their Branch to make arrangements for obtaining their tapes! If you, the leaf, have something to trade for your tape(s) then by all means set up a trade. If you have nothing to trade, just send blanks and return postage. After all, one of the motives for running trees is to help beginners get started. Note that it's not cool to trade for blanks just to save yourself some trouble. If you've got trade material, take the effort to make a trade with the branch leader - after all, that branch leader's got a lot more work to do than you do, so help to make him or her happy (so that they will do it again and again and keep the trees going!) Branch leaders and leaves should arrange recording criteria (i.e. Dolby) amongst themselves. Sometimes the tree administrator will arrange to have certain branches that are "Dolby only" or "No-Dolby only". But generally the Branch leader gets a Dolby-B tape unless special arrangements are made. ______________________________________________________________________ DISTRIBUTING LEAF TAPES If you have set up a trade with your branch leader, this part is easy. Just mail your trade tape to the branch leader and then they will mail you the Tree tape. If you are trading for blanks, send the blank tapes in a padded envelope (suitable for sending your tape back to you) and enough postage to cover the cost of mailing the tape back to you. That's generally about $1.00-$1.25, for a single tape (in the US). Please include your name, address, and email address with any blank tape you send, along with a note specifying what tree the blank tape is for. Since tree administrators and branch leaders have several trees/trades going on at once, this is very important! ______________________________________________________________________ PET PEEVES * Branches who don't take their responsibilities seriously. Don't volunteer to be a Branch if you're not going to have the time to make the copies you VOLUNTEERED for. * Leaves that disappear. Please don't sign up for the tree if you're not serious about wanting a copy. Sure, legitimate reasons arise that can cause you to be unable to fulfill your committments. If this is the case, you should contact the involved parties to alert them. * Lack of feedback from Leaves. If you have trouble arranging to get your tapes from your Branch, or if you think your copy sounds like crap, please inform the Tree Administrator. On the other hand, please make a good faith effort to resolve your difficulties with your Branch. * Lack of Return Postage when trading blanks. Lots of folks forget this! ______________________________________________________________________ CAVEATS * If you know you are going to be away in the next few weeks after tree sign-up, (e.g., for Spring Break, vacation, etc.) please let your Branch (or your leaves, if YOU are a branch leader) know. If necessary, let the Tree Administrator know. Inevitably some people just up and disappear after they sign up for a tree. * Important! Leaves are responsible for contacting their Branch <<< to arrange to get their tapes! <<< ______________________________________________________________________ End of FAQ. One Final Point Leaves, Please Note Re: Blanks 'n Postage Although it may be easier for YOU to send your Branch a money order to cover the *costs* of your copies, it is *not* necessarily easiest for your Branch. Remember this means the Branch has to buy tapes, mailer, address a package, and take it to the post office. All this is in addition dubbing up to 5-Sets of Tapes. The fairest method is for YOU to purchase your own tapes. Enclose your tapes in a padded envelope. This envelope should be *self-addressed* *with* postage. This self-addressed, padded envelope w/Your tapes can then be placed in a slighly larger envelope and mailed off to your Branch, who can now just drop your package in a mailbox once your copies are dubbed. Clean and Simple. In the end though, work it out with your Branch. There are some really nice folks here on the JMDL and they will be happy to work with you and ensure that you receive your copies as quickly as possible. That's about all for now folks. I DO hope that everyone enjoys this group of recordings. I'm sure you will. There's some truly wonderful music included this time. - ------- simon - ------- * Remember, if you don't stand for something ... you'll go for anything. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #616 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?