From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #610 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, November 16 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 610 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Sanity in spite of Craziness NJC, Long ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: This JUST in (NJC) (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] New Music ["Mike Hicks" ] Aimee Mann on Leno (NJC) [Emily Kirk Gray ] RE: what do you like to read?(NJC) [mintagli@email.ypf.com.ar] Covers of Covers ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Covers of Covers ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] JMDL cars (rant) and books, too (NJC) [Louis Lynch ] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) ["Bill Pearson" ] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Aimee Mann NJC [Jason Long ] Re: Hole, Liz Phair, and other recommendations (NJC) [Jason Long ] Liz Phair NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Patty Griffin NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC Two countries separated by a common language [Catherine McKay ] Re: other songwriters/cars NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Stockwell Day and the Canadian election (njc and LONG) [Catherine McK] in defense of an suv NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Patty Griffin NJC [michael w yarbrough ] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Stockwell Day and the Canadian election njc [Ken ] Re: Patty Griffin NJC [Les Irvin ] jmdler cars (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] re Bob's Hit or Miss, Hand Count ["Steve" ] Re: in defense of an suv NJC [catman ] Re: what do you like to read? NJC ["Diane Evans" ] Darrow NJC [catman ] Faith? NJC [catman ] Re: PJ Harvey NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) ["Diane Evans" ] Patricia Cornwell NJC ["kerry" ] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) ["Diane Evans" ] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) ["Hell" ] Re: What do you like to read? (NJC) ["Hell" ] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) [catman Subject: Re: Sanity in spite of Craziness NJC, Long Now, I'm not advocating a hand count but I found this shocking news on www.cnn.com . [[When the call came from Tallahassee for every county in Florida to recount presidential ballots the day after last week's historic vote, Baker County elections supervisor John Barton and his local canvassing board took the easy way out. They simply checked the electronic memory of their computers, running the numbers again to see if they matched the results from the day before. Not a single ballot was re-scanned or inspected. Nor did it have to be. In Florida, it turns out, a recount doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. ]] http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/15/latimes.recount/index.html They went on to say that lots of counties interpreted the Tallahassee order to mean that they were to run the ballots throught the counters again. Teacher: So what have we learned today children? Yes, Mary. Mary: That Florida doesn't have enough laws to instruct officials to perform a machine recount with consistency. Teacher: Yes, that's right. Now, let's turn to Math. Mary: And that, when building a ballot, they need to put the candidates in the order prescribed by Flordia law instead of making up their own order. Teacher: Fine Mary. Now turning to Math. Open to page.... Mary: And that despite explicit instructions about punching cleanly, some voters are unable to make their vote count. Teacher: Now Mary, Civics is over. Mary: And that with our aging population, perhaps some additional reform or education is needed. Teacher: Mary, you'll have to go to the Principal's office! Now! Mary: And that, amazingly, a polititian in Florida can possess an actual voting machine without getting in trouble, or even being investigated. And that in spite of jarring (even alarming) inconsistencies, the system works. And that....... Lama npimh: That video from Aimee Mann where she's standing up in the audience of an opera house. She's been asked to sit down and shut up but instead, she's defiantly singing "Voices Carry". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:06:26 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Kakki is in Tampa (NJC) Oh, lordy. Kakki in Florida? I think maybe she's getting a little bit too proactive about this whole recount thing... Have fun, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:03:13 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: What do you like to read? (NJC) last read: 'White Teeth', Zadie Smith 'Asleep', Banana Yoshimoto Both excellent - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:10:10 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: This JUST in (NJC) (md) In a message dated 11/16/00 8:53:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, susang@mail.fadc.com writes: << And speaking of judges with conflict of interests, I am sure that Florida's secretary of state has none! >> I have to laugh at this because yet again the distinction is bypassed in lieu of partisanship. Most if not all of the participants in the election rulings have some political affiliation. The attorney general Mr, Butterfield for instance (who violated his oath of office AND the statement on his website that he is not allowed to give legal opinions but in fact did just that) is chairman of the Gore Campaign in Florida. The difference is that Ms. Harris has followed the law. Mr.Butterfield has in fact violated it. I wont waste space restating the full explanation (but will be happy to privately) but the bottom line is there are only two reasons for recounts. Fraud and or faulty machines. No one in the Gore campaign is claiming either of those exist.This entire imbroglio created by Gore out of claims of "fairness". So "conflict of interest" is one thing. To have that AND be violating the law to further a purely political agenda is another. Harris hasnt. The Demos are. As Bill said to Monica "Nice try but no cigar". marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:44:31 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: New Music The new ENYA album is coming out November 21st. I would recommend that it be checked out. I haven't heard anything from it but all I need to know is that it is her next release. That's enough for me. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:36:12 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Aimee Mann on Leno (NJC) don! you're killing me! i'm writing as the list's unofficial biggest aimee mann fan -- and now i need to be reminded of what not having a TV does to me... that i missed her playing on leno?!?!?!?! oh well. i'm pretty sure she must have played something from her new album, called "bachelor #2" -- which has some tracks on it from a previous album, the soundtrack to the movie "magnolia." of course, i didn't see it, so...can't be certain. regardless, you will love love love "bachelor #2" so i recommend rushing out ASAP to get it. (see, folks! i can recommend ALSO...:) ) - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:45:32 -0300 From: mintagli@email.ypf.com.ar Subject: RE: what do you like to read?(NJC) Right now I'm reading Hornsby's "High Fidelity" and Giorgio Bassani's "Il Giardino dei Finzi Contini". This month I also read "A Confederacy of Dunces", by John Kennedy Toole -hilarious! But my literary canon goes like this: Fernando Pessoa (The Book of Disquiet) Marcel Proust (A la recherche du temps perdu) James Joyce (Dubliners, A Portrait..., Ulysses) J.L. Borges (Ficciones) I should also name Silvina Ocampo A. Camus William Faulkner Céline (Voyage au Bout de la Nuit) Tibor Fischer (The Thought Gang -another hilarious reading) E.M. Cioran Dylan Thomas John Keats Gustave Flaubert Rimbaud Schopenhauer and many more Mariana, working, but thinking about reading ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:58:32 -0500 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Covers of Covers I just saw that Joseph had written the following to Bob: "Just reconnected to the List. My question to you: do you already have the version of CENTERPIECE with Van Morrison, Annie Ross and Georgie Fame? I listened to Van Morrison's HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN GOING ON album with Georgie Fame and there was CENTERPIECE with the three of them singing at the same time. If you don't have it, tell me, so I can send this song along with the Paganini Ensemble's version of GOODBYE PORKPIE HAT." I'm a *diehard* Van fan, but think that including his version of "Centerpiece," as much fun as it is - or any of a great number of other versions of these two songs - would be taking the "Covers" concept one step too far. Joni based her own covers on Lambert, Hendricks and Ross' version of "Centerpiece," and Charles Mingus' 1959 version of "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat." Both of those are already included in Bob's "Covers" series. Just an opinion ... :) "Boston Jim" NP: "Wharf Rat," the Dead at Nassau Coliseum, 1990 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:06:52 -0500 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Covers of Covers > Joni based her own covers on Lambert, Hendricks and Ross' version of "Centerpiece," and Charles Mingus' 1959 version of "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat." Both of those are already included in Bob's "Covers" series. > After I sent this, something occured to me ... if any other versions exist of GPPH using Joni's lyrics, they would certainly be "Covers" material. (Is that the case with the Paganini Ensemble?) "Boston Jim" NP: "Wharf Rat," the Dead at Nassau Coliseum, 1990 (still) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:23:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) Currently: I Know This Much Is True by Wally Lamb Recently: A Widow for One Year, and A Son of the Circus, both by John Irving Favorites: A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole; anything by Rita Mae Brown, Tom Robbins, or John Irving Although I've read only one of her books, I think Patricia Cornwell is wonderful. (And she's "family," too.) Just for the fun of it, I've decided to read all the Sue Grafton books again beginning with A is for Alibi. Lori in DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:31:18 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: JMDL cars (rant) and books, too (NJC) Hi all! CARLTON! Your diatribe on cars was absolutely lovely and precise! This former New Yorker agrees with you 100%. Oh how I miss the subways and taxis and buses that get you anywhere you need to go, quickly and inexpensively. And you don't need a designated driver ever! I miss the days when I could put on my roller blades and go anywhere in the city. My little brother still moves about the city on blades, pushing his amp and guitar equipment around in a souped-up shopping cart. Even with my largest harp, I could always find a car or limo service that would get me to the church on time. Here in Central PA, I think most folks feel it's impossible to get to the bathroom without having at least one SUV, one minivan and a pick-up on stand-by in the driveway. I drive a 1993 Escort wagon (36 miles to the gallon) named Emma, who has more flat cargo space than almost every SUV out there. She holds the harp, the PA gear, the electronic piano, a passenger plus at least 4,329 empty water bottles under the seats. Because I'm starting to travel more, I also bought a Chevy Astro (17 gallons to the mile) named Andrew, who is a big luxurious no-bullshit type of car -- he stays parked until I really need him. The single worst thing about having to drive everywhere is that I no longer have time to read for pleasure. Oh, how I loved slurping down a novel every two days on the subway to work. Maybe that's why the people down here talk about the weather so much -- they never have a chance to read. Some favorite authors: Louise Erdrich, Par Lagerkvist, Edward Hays, Morgan Llywelyn and other such modern literaturists. Best book in the world that everyone should read just because it is such a sensual rush: "Like Water for Chocolate" by Esquivel. I read it every so often just to stay human. Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:59:20 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: This JUST in (NJC) > I > voted for Buchannan, I have gone straight and I think Nixon was a hunk! Susan! How could you let the side down like that? > > > Peace > Susan - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:13:09 -0000 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) Hell, > Basically I'll read anything anyone recommends! OK you asked for it. Get yourself some Jonathan Carroll, anything and everything ! Stephen King says "Jonathan Carroll is as scary as Hitchcock, when he isn't being as funny as Jim Carrey. If you've never read this wonderful fantasist, buy this book. You'll stay up all night and thank me in the morning." That's from his latest, available from his website www.jonathancarroll.com There's plenty of short fiction there to wet your appetite, if you're looking just for novels 'The Land Of Laughs' is a good place to start. Happy Reading Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:35:40 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) There have been so many great new books to read over the last few years, I wish I could spend lots more time reading. I love modern fiction and usually read the kinds of books that are pretty obscure and never make it to the bestseller lists, although I do love best-selling authors too, such as John Irving, Barbara Kingsolver, Wally Lamb, and recently, J. K. Rowling and her Harry Potter books. As a former Irish Lit major I may be prejudiced, but right now I am loving Roddy Doyle's "A Star Called Henry." Doyle also wrote "The Barrytown Trilogy," which includes "The Commitments," "The Snapper," and "The Van," all hilarious books which were made into pretty good movies. Other novels include "The Woman Who Walked Into Doors," a very sad story about an abused woman, and "Paddy Clarke Ha Ha Ha," about coming of age in 50's and 60's Dublin. Doyle is just an amazing writer, always evolving, so remember him next time you're looking for something great to read. If you've never read "The Commitments," that's a great place to start. (Even if you've seen the movie.) And while I'm on an Irish jig here, check out Patrick McCabe's "Breakfast on Pluto." It's the story of a gender-bending boy who grows up on the border of Northern Ireland and moves to London and becomes a prostitute during "The Troubles." It's also often funny -- even as the bombs are going off -- and brilliantly written. McCabe also wrote "The Butcher Boy," which I love, although if it is pretty gory. When it comes to gay literature, I spent years bemoaning the fact that there was little to read other than Edmund White, who puts me to sleep faster than any over-the-counter sedatives. But now, there's a renaissance of sorts, and there's Allan Gurganus, Alan Hollinghurst, Christopher Bram, Michael Chabon and many others who are writing stuff I love. Pat Barker, a straight (I think) British woman, has written an incredible gay-themed trilogy of WWI that includes the books "The Ghost Road," "Regeneration," and "The Eye in the Door." She (like Roddy Doyle) also won the Booker Prize for her work. Incidentally, the Booker Prize Web site is always a good place to find ideas for what to read next. It's at http://www.utc.edu/~engldept/booker/booker.htm Like Jimmy, I also love David Sedaris and everything he has written. He will make you laugh out loud, guaranteed. He is gay, although he resists the label "gay writer" for, I think, good reason. His stories of family life and growing up in the boomer years are universal in appeal. I love recommending Sedaris to friends, straight or gay, and then waiting for the phone to ring with hysterical laughter and endless thank-yous on the other end of the line. For a quick sample of him reading from "Me Talk Pretty One Day," go to http://www.salon.com/audio/2000/10/05/sedaris_mepretty/index.html I hear he's working on an essay about Bob Muller's high school years. Does anyone know if this is really true? Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:55:31 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: Aimee Mann NJC Don wrote: >I caught maybe the last eight bars of the Aimee Mann performance on Leno >last night. I don't have any of her music but would like to get the CD >that song is on... can someone tell me the name of the album? I didn't catch it myself, but I believe someone on Mannlist said it was a repeat of one of her recent appearances, in which case she would have performed either "Red Vines" or "Calling it Quits." Both songs can be found on her newest (jaw-dropping, wonderful) album _Bachelor No. 2_. If you do pick up the disc, I'd be interested in hearing what you think -- it's one of my favorites from this year. Cheers, Jase NP: Elliott Smith, _Either/Or_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:24:11 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: Hole, Liz Phair, and other recommendations (NJC) Emily wrote: >that post about liz phair, jen trynin, and juliana hatfield >was so informative, so specific, and just: thanks! >you really intrigued me with jen trynin, whom i've never >heard of. i've added her to the top of an alarmingly-fast >growing list. I'm glad you enjoyed my post. I always worry when I'm writing about music -- I'm really passionate about the music I love, but I have a hard time effectively putting what I feel into words sometimes. I always worry about doing justice to the artists I'm writing about. Of course, even better than words from a fan is the chance to hear the music itself. If you'd like, send me your address off-list and I can make you a sampler tape of Jen, Juliana and some of the Liz Phair you don't have, along with a few of my other favorites. Jen in particular is one artist it'd be a shame not to hear. Unfortunately, that's pretty much become the case as both of her albums fell out of print this year. She has a small but loyal cult following, but I'm surprised that Warners weren't able to break her to a wider audience. Lately I've been rescuing copies of _Cockamamie_ and _Gun Shy Trigger Happy_ from the used and cut-out bins and finding good homes for them. >when i asked for some music recommendations, i think i hardly >knew the breadth and depth of wonderful suggestions (some >reminders, some totally new artists to me) that would come >from this great list. thank you! i hope reading about these >has been interesting and thought-provoking to others. I've enjoyed reading all the posts myself, and they've given me a few ideas on other music I'd like to check out. I've come to rely more and more on the mailing lists I'm on to find suggestions for new music and I've gotten a lot of great leads from this list in particular (Lucinda Williams stands out as being one of the best purchases I've made). I don't often read any of the major music magazines anymore and radio is currently in such a sad state, so it's great to have a lot of people writing such descriptive and intelligent posts about music that I probably wouldn't be aware of otherwise. On the Liz Phair list, we've now taken it one step further though; we've been doing a trial run of a tape swap, in which everyone makes a mix of their favorite music and sends it to someone else on the list and also receives a tape from another list member in return. Then, if people so choose, they can write a review of the tape they've received and post it to the list. I got the idea from another list I'm on, where the swaps are done every two months. It's been a great source for finding new music. Cheers, Jase NP: Joni, _For the Roses_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:41:27 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers of Covers <> That's a good question...my assumption is that it DOES have the vocal, like the great Annika Fehling version. In that case, it would be a SUPER addition. I agree with what you say and I don't want to start collecting a bunch of Centerpieces and Mingus instrumental versions, but it's sort of a gray area. By the same token, I'm not interested in bringing in the original "Why Do Fools Fall In Love" because to me it's Frankie Lymon & the Teenager's song. However, I wouldn't mind having the Buddy Holly version of "You're So Square", I think that'd be cool! As long as we keep communication open about it, there shouldn't be any problems. I can't wait to tell y'all about #12... Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Saving All My Love For You" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:10:32 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: Aimee Mann NJC > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:55:31 -0500 > To: joni@smoe.org > From: Jason Long > Subject: Re: Aimee Mann NJC > Reply-to: Jason Long > Don wrote: > >I caught maybe the last eight bars of the Aimee Mann performance on Leno > >last night. I don't have any of her music but would like to get the CD > >that song is on... can someone tell me the name of the album? > > I didn't catch it myself, but I believe someone on Mannlist said it was a > repeat of one of her recent appearances, in which case she would have > performed either "Red Vines" or "Calling it Quits." Both songs can be found > on her newest (jaw-dropping, wonderful) album _Bachelor No. 2_. > > If you do pick up the disc, I'd be interested in hearing what you think -- > it's one of my favorites from this year. > > > Cheers, > > Jase > I'd be glad to. It is as good as all her other stuff is. She is one of the best. Mike > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:03:36 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Liz Phair NJC Somebody (can't remember who, I pasted from the digest) said, with magnificent understatement: <> This inspired me to dig out Exit In Guyville again - what a debut! I saw her in London the year it was released, in a tiny venue in Camden. It was pretty ropey, although she was endearingly honest ("I'm sorry, I know we suck live, we promise to be better next time"). When gremlins struck the sound system, she did an a capella rendition of Flower (the one that starts "every time I think of you I go all wet between my legs" and gets progressively filthier), which brought the house down. What I love about this album is its complete insouciance, its (apparent) indifference to what people think of her foul mouth, uncertainly pitched singing, the don't-give-a-shit delivery and rudimentary production, often dispensing with bass. Oh, and there are some bloody good songs too. I particularly rate the Divorce Song and Stratford-on-Guy, while Fuck And Run is as matter-of-fact and uncompromising as its title. I've got Whitechocolatespaceegg, although it hasn't made much impression on me on the two occasions I've listened to it. I don't have Whip Smart, but I do have Juvenalia, which I think is comprised of early demos and possibly outtakes from the first album. It's quite amusing - I seem to remember one song about farmers enjoying unnatural congress with farmyard animals. Anyway, what I wouldn't give to hear all those ghastly so-called divas having a lo-fi go at some of Liz's saltier moments - I'm sure I could even enjoy Mariah Carey in these circumstances. Azeem in London, just about to listen to Polly Jean Harvey in conversation on BBC London Live NP: Liz Phair - Canary (the one with the spooky piano and background muttering) - God this is a great record! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:06:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Patty Griffin NJC I plan to get Flaming Red but first want to listen to LWG a few more hundred times! I love the sparseness of it & that you don't even realize its a voice & guitar because of her incredible voice. I have heard she is amazing live. I can't think of anyone who has inspired me so much other than Shawn Colvin & Joni. Up there in the stratosphere of all around talent, she has really raised the bar! >>>Just had to chime in here. I've heard a lot of great music from female artists in the last 10 years, but Patty Griffin is SO amazing. "Living With Ghosts" is apparently some slightly glossed up demos, which turned out beautifully ("Let Him Fly"...ummm ummm!), but since you've only heard snippets, "Flaming Red" is an unbelievably dynamic recording, full of musical twists and turns, poignant songwriting and some pretty remarkable singing. I highly recommend picking it up. Furthermore, the good news is that Patty's new CD will be out early next year. Do go see her live; I've been 3 times, and it's been a treat (with a completely rearranged set) each time. Raves, Raves, and more raves! -Chris<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:17:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Two countries separated by a common language - --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > Here's a linguistic puzzle that has baffled me for a > while, and as language > seems to be a current topic, I throw it into the > pot: > > We have an expression to denote complete > indifference: "I couldn't care less" > - in other words, it would not be possible to care > less than I do now. It > seems that in American English the phrase is "I > could care less." [it cropped > up recently in the context of you-know-what current > event - Doh! I almost > mentioned it...] Surely this has the reverse > meaning to the intended one if > taken literally, ie it WOULD be possible to be more > indifferent than I am. > Am I missing some semantic subtlety here? > > Azeem (pedantic, moi?) in London > While it's tempting to go for the low blow and say that it's because Americans don't know what they're talking about, we won't go there. Instead, let me offer this as a ?possible? explanation. When you say "I could care less", there may be an inferred "but not bloody likely". It works for me, but then I'm one of those who says "I couldn't care less!!!" _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:21:16 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Borders show!(NJC) Victor wrote: > Moral of this story: if you live close to other listers, > make sure you get together often: it's a life- > enhancing experience. I'll leave it at that:" Chris from the UK > > Keeping this is in mind, I would like to invite anybody who lives in or near > the Atlanta area to come see me perform at Borders this Friday night. > Why not ask Borders to set up a web cam? It can't be that costly?!!#!@? I'm counting my frequent flyer miles and it doesn't look too encouraging. At any rate Victor, I hope you have a great turn out, and that folks enjoy your music as much as so many of us on the JMDL do! Break a Leg.... No, that's theatre Merde....No, that's dance Good F***ing luck to you!! Whatever :~D jody ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:29:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: other songwriters/cars NJC - --- Mike Hicks wrote: > > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:04:18 -0500 > > From: BarBearUh > > To: JMDL > > Subject: other songwriters/cars NJC > > Reply-to: BarBearUh > > > can't believe no one's mentioned JANE SIBERRY yet! > must explore! 'when > > > How would you rate her new albume Hush? I have a > couple of hers. > Speckless Sky and The Walking. Very different and > very good. I > agree, we must explore JS. > > Mike > > Permit me to butt in here - I love Sib, but I'm kind of disappointed in "Hush". Everything sounds too much the same. I don't *dislike* it, but it's not one of those that I'm going to play over and over like I do some. It's good calming-down music - if you've got little kids, play it for them at naptime. If you've had a rough day, fill the bath, and listen to this one - - on second thought, don't - you might relax too much and slip under and drown. While I'm at it, I'm disappointed with Rickie Lee Jones' new one too (whatever the hell it's called, I don't remember). I think I've gone off RLJ - I liked her 20 years or so ago, but she doesn't do much for me now (unlike Joan who can do no/very littel wrong IMHO). RLJ's either got to give up the booze or take elocution lessons or something. If it weren't for lyric sheets or the fact she's singing some known standards, you wouldn't have a clue what she was saying. That's 2 negatives, so here's one positive - I love Paul Simon's new one. It didn't do much for me the first time I heard it, but it gets better with each listen. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:31:36 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) In a message dated 11/16/00 2:51:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: << I love recommending Sedaris to friends, straight or gay, and then waiting for the phone to ring with hysterical laughter and endless thank-yous on the other end of the line. >> I knew there was something I liked about you Smurf. Not only do I enjoy reading Sedaris' books, but I always end up buying the audio versions too. My friends borrow them and call me up to recite some of his great lines. His voice is sooooo f**king funny and he does the best impersonation of Billie Holiday. In one of his Christmas stories, he sings "Away In A Manger" as Billie would. LOL LOL Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:41:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Stockwell Day and the Canadian election (njc and LONG) - --- evian wrote: > Hi Gang, > With all the politics talk going on, I thought I > would just comment > on the upcoming Canadian election. Specifically, I > just want to paste > in an email I got concerning Stockwell Day, a > candidate for Prime > Minister. It is scary the support he has garnered. Evian, and other interested Canadians, I've got just the thing for you and you provided me with just the opportunity to pass this on! Someone at work e-mailed this to me - it is a legit site for "This hour has 22 minutes" (a Canadian satirical TV show for any non-Canadians, except for Mark in Seattle, who knows about this one thanks to his good taste in men): >One of Stockwell Day's platforms is that he wants to >enact referendum >legislation that would allow any group who can get >350,000 signatures to >force a >referendum on any issue (at the cost of approx. $150 >million to hold a >federal referendum). >To demonstrate the flaws in this approach, This Hour >Has 22 Minutes is trying to >get 350,000 signatures to force a referendum >demanding that Stockwell change his >first name to "Doris". To add your name to the >petition, just go to . _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:36:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: in defense of an suv NJC Well mine is small, 2 door w/ no 4 wheel drive (I got a good deal cuz it was on the lot w/o any frills). But 4 wheel drive is good for icy mountain roads on ski trips. It was the perfect car for me, room for kids, surfboards, skis, dogs, etc. It was safe & the best visibility of any car I have owned. I wanted to be up high as I felt safer after being hit or side swiped (I think some people disliked vw bugs & thought they were too slow, however mine wasn't it was a SUPER beetle!)more times that I can count when driving my VW convertible (color- dark invisible black/brown). It is small enough to park in compact spaces too. It was like having the practicality of a truck combined with some of the luxury of a sedan. Anyway, I agree that some of those big SUVs are too much & they seem to be getting bigger each year. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:49:28 -0600 (CST) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Patty Griffin NJC On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Kate Bennett wrote: > ("Let Him Fly"...ummm ummm!) I'm sad to say I've yet to hear the original, but the Dixie Chicks do a phenomenal cover of this tune on their latest, the highly recommended _Fly_. - --Michael NP: PJ Harvey-a-thon (_Dry_, _Rid of Me_, _To Bring You My Love_ and _Stories from the City..._ on random play. The new album is great great great--sounds like Patti Smith and Chrissie Hynde had a love child. Bob M., you should try this out--I know PJ burned you w/ ROM, but this one is not so, um, raw. Just rawk.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:50:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) Some stuff I've read lately: I used to avoid reading Canadian writers because, as a Canadian, I get kind of tired of having *our* writers shoved in my face all the time but, in fact, these writers are damn good: - -Margaret Atwood, "The Blind Assassin" (almost finished reading it and recommend it highly) - -Michael Ondaatje, "Anil's Ghost" (an excellent book)(this is the guy who wrote "The English Patient", which I also read - didn't see the movie, so can't compare to the book which I liked, but "Anil's Ghost" is, IMO, far superior - it'll give you chills) - - over the summer, got into reading a whole bunch of mystery novels, which I hadn't been into for quite some time, but which I enjoy - can't think of any that stand out - but anything by Minette Walters. - - also read a whole bunch of stuff by Morgan Llewelyn (sp?)- historical novel type of stuff dealing with Irish history - in particular, 1917 (or was it some other year? need help from the Irish here - when was that darn revolution anyway? '17 or '19? - - on the same topic (the Irish revolution), "A star named/called Henry" by Roddy Doyle - - finally read "Bridget Jones' Diary" and laughed my arse off (so to speak) - - finally read the Brian Hinton Joni thing - also laughed my arse off for completely different reasons. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:13:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: books Has anyone read "The Divine Secrets of the Ya Ya Sisterhood"? I loved this book- the writing was so good that I feel like it spoiled me. I have not been able to find anything since to hold my attention since reading that book. I heard that her other one was not as good. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:24:14 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: Stockwell Day and the Canadian election njc Just to let you know - As of now they have more than 458,000 signatures. Catherine McKay wrote: > >One of Stockwell Day's platforms is that he wants to > >enact referendum > >legislation that would allow any group who can get > >350,000 signatures to > >force a > >referendum on any issue (at the cost of approx. $150 > >million to hold a > >federal referendum). > > >To demonstrate the flaws in this approach, This Hour > >Has 22 Minutes is trying to > >get 350,000 signatures to force a referendum > >demanding that Stockwell change his > >first name to "Doris". To add your name to the > >petition, just go to . > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:32:47 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Patty Griffin NJC Someone else said that but I do agree. Also "Moses" & "every little bit" & heck the whole album really. I don't think "Let Him Fly" is the same song as the Dixie Chicks "Fly" though. On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Kate Bennett wrote: > ("Let Him Fly"...ummm ummm!) I'm sad to say I've yet to hear the original, but the Dixie Chicks do a phenomenal cover of this tune on their latest, the highly recommended _Fly_. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:54:53 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Patty Griffin NJC At 02:06 PM 11/16/2000, Kate Bennett wrote: >I plan to get Flaming Red but first want to listen to LWG a few more hundred >times! I love the sparseness of it & that you don't even realize its a voice >& guitar because of her incredible voice. I have heard she is amazing live. >I can't think of anyone who has inspired me so much other than Shawn Colvin >& Joni. At the risk of inflaming the list admin, I must throw in a "me too" on "Living with Ghosts". It is one of the handful of albums that I can name off the top of my head that does not have a single weak song on it. I think "Mad Mission" and "Forgiveness" are pure brilliance. I'm not sure a few hundred times is enough, Kate! Les NP: John Starling "White Line" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:07:34 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: jmdler cars (NJC) MG wrote: >Well, it was long, it was lean, it was British racing green. Well, you DO have a great name for someone with a British car! :) - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:31:53 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) In a message dated 11/16/00 10:43:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, lrfye@yahoo.com writes: << Currently: I Know This Much Is True by Wally Lamb >> A fabulous, fabulous book. Get it and read it if you haven't already! MG PS "She's Come Undone" is good, too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:49:15 -0000 From: "Steve" Subject: re Bob's Hit or Miss, Hand Count Paul I wrote <<<< I think this is a great idea and could be great fun. We could have an Hits & Misses kind of thing, where all JMDLers could vote for the covers they'd like to be included in the "Best of". But to be fair, Bob would have to count the votes by hand...>>>>>>>>> Don't think that's too good an idea Paul, maybe it's time now to try a head count. ;~) Steve......the impossible dreamer NP Emmylou .....|I don't wanna talk about it now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:20:29 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: in defense of an suv NJC I agree with you Kate. i drove a Range Rover once and loved the fact i could see so clearly all around me. Mind you you need a strong left leg fro the clutch-it was bloody hard to depress. Alasa, i cannot afford a Range Rover. But if I could I would have one just for that feeling of safety. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:33:31 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: what do you like to read? NJC BOOKS! Next to music, it's my favorite pastime. I am a voracious reader and go through about 1 book every two weeks when I'm working and 2 to 3 a week when on vacation. I read lots of biographies and critical works on artists, a few top ten-ers here and there, and "beach books" for fun. For me, those are Patricia Cornwell, Stephen King, Koontz, most any science fiction, and historically based fictions. I hate educational pedigogy literature. (It's mostly theory-of-the-day hogwash.) I also like to revisit classics a few times a year. Diane _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:38:15 +0000 From: catman Subject: apologies Sorry that joke was not meant to go to the list. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:39:47 +0000 From: catman Subject: Darrow NJC Just watched a movie named Darrow. People like this man fill me with hope. What courage and principle. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:42:35 +0000 From: catman Subject: Faith? NJC Okay so in answer to the fact the Katherine whatsername who can decide on whetehr or not to accept certain ballots, is a Republican supporter and donater, we are told that the other people in power are Democrat supporters. Doesn't this make the whole thing just a pile of do do? How can one ever expect anything to be fair when the law is partisan? - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:45:38 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: PJ Harvey NJC << Bob M., you should try this out--I know PJ burned you w/ ROM, but this one is not so, um, raw. Just rawk.) >> I'd be up to hear it, but you can bet I wouldn't buy it without a thorough listen...I had a hard enough time getting rid of that other disc of hers. Even the garbageman wouldn't take it! :~) Bob NP: Thin Lizzy, "Warriors" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:46:43 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) Jerry wrote: >Now reading: > >Merrick by Anne Rice Me, too. I read "Interview..." when it first came out and have been hooked on her vampire stories ever since. Diane P.S. I do try to remember the NJC when appropriate, but please forgive when I occassionally forget. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:53:09 +0000 From: catman Subject: Now i know!NJC Now I know why we are so feared! 'Hatch "has proven what the military and Boy Scouts must on some level have always dreaded, and it is this," wrote Hank Steuver in the Post. "The power of one determined gay guy--the archetypal Evil Queen--could collapse a nation." ' And they think we are weird! (Hatch won Survival) - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:04:19 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Patricia Cornwell NJC Colin wrote: >>I too like Cornwall tho was very disappointed with Black Notice. The ending was especially bad. She made Dr Scarpetta do something I believe she would never have done i.e open that door! >> Yes! That bothered me too!!! I read one book by her that I didn't like, but finally tried others and liked them, but "Black Notice" did drive me crazy for that reason. Just as an aside, I've been drooling over her pictures on her books for a long time, but then saw an interview with her on TV and was disappointed! She didn't sound like she looks. Does that make sense? Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:01:47 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) Colin, Don't you think Jack Nicholson would have been the perfect film version of the "Walkin' Dude" in the Stand? Have you read "The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon?" Have you read "Swan Song" by...I think it was Robert Cameron? Along the lines of The Stand. How about an elderly precursor of those called Lucifer's Hammer. Or The White Plague by Frank Herbert (yeah, I loved those Dune books, too, and read every one when I was in my 20's.) Diane _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:02:25 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Patricia Cornwell NJC > Just as an aside, I've been drooling over her > pictures on her books for a long time, but then saw an interview with her on > TV and was disappointed! She didn't sound like she looks. Does that make > sense? Of course it makes sense. I can't comment on her because one I don't drrol over her and two, have never seen her interviwed. her pics tho make her look elegant and poised. I have had the experience with men tho. recently a man at church caught my eye. he was veryt all, about 6ft 4", smart, masculine, dark hair with blue eyes and a smile that turned legs to jelly. Then he spoke. Out came this wimpy, high voice. All credibility was lost! > > > Kerry - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:03:13 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) Colin wrote: > I too like Cornwall tho was very disappointed with Black Notice. The ending was especially > bad. She made Dr Scarpetta do something I believe she would never have done i.e open that > door! Howver, having read many of her books, I still likke her. I must say, I loved Black Notice, but I also thought it was out of character for Scarpetta to open the door (sorry to spoil the ending for anyone planning to read it)! But The Last Precinct (her latest) discusses that as well, and it all becomes a lot clearer (Marino was disgusted with her for opening the door too) - in fact, I'd say The Last Precinct is kind of the second half of Black Notice, which ended in a strange place. I started it Tuesday, finished Wednesday, and am now re-reading it to get all the bits I missed 'cos I was in such a hurry to see what happened! > Used to read King but find him too long winded now. my fave was The Stand. The Stand is also my favourite Stephen King, but the second "uncut and unabridged" version, where he goes into much more detail about some of the minor characters. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:05:24 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: What do you like to read? (NJC) MG wrote: > Having said that, I am also a sucker for old Mad magazines and usually do a > quick speed read of stupid celebrity "as told to's" while I am browsing > through the library stacks. I've just rediscovered my old box of Mad comics - there must be a couple of hundred in there! My history teacher (a Catholic priest) at school recommended Mad as a good form of satire, although they went downhill after the mid-80's. Or maybe I just got older and more discerning! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:12:45 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) Diane Evans wrote: > Colin, > > Don't you think Jack Nicholson would have been the perfect film version of > the "Walkin' Dude" in the Stand? yes i do. It's a pity that he was in The Shining which ruined a good book. Jack was great, really good, but the film was not as the book was. King himself didn't like it. Mind you the scene where he is bashing his way thru the bathroom door is chilling. > Have you read "The Girl Who Loved Tom > Gordon?" I haven't read much King in years. The last one I managed to get all the way thru was Insomina. I got part thru Rose Madder. As I said, for me he has become too long winded. His stories are excellent but he waffles so. > > > Have you read "Swan Song" by...I think it was Robert Cameron? Along the > lines of The Stand. How about an elderly precursor of those called > Lucifer's Hammer. Not heard of either of those. > Or The White Plague by Frank Herbert (yeah, I loved > those Dune books, too, and read every one when I was in my 20's.) Not read any of those either. is the this same author as the film DUNE? boooooring! Have read a few Koontz and enjoy them. However, had to stop reading False Memory as the first 100 or so pages I managed wer all about someone descending into obsessional thinking and fear about themselves. That was too close to home. First time a book has affected me that way. After two days I thought all my old OCD was back! The only other book I stopped reading because I found it too distrubing was a biography of Denis Nielson(who lives just up the road in Whitemoor). If you don't know, he killed 15 men. he boiled them up afterwards and disposed of them down a drain. (which is how he was caught-th flesh blocked the drains)he was an ordinary plain looking civil servant. > > > Diane > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #610 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?