From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #609 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, November 16 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 609 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) ["Hell" ] NJC - Other Music ["Greer, Ron" ] Re: What would they do in England again NJC [dsk ] Re: "Lesson in survival" [catman ] JMDL cars (rant) - NJC [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) [catman ] Re: JMDL cars (rant) - NJC [catman ] Joni cover [Joseph Palis ] Re: jmdler cars (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] RE: what do you like to read?(NJC) ["Deb Messling" ] What do you like to read? (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: This JUST in (NJC) (md) [Vince Lavieri ] other songwriters/cars NJC [BarBearUh ] Re: What would they do in England again (NJC) (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: other songwriters/cars NJC ["Mike Hicks" ] Hole, Liz Phair, and other recommendations (NJC) [Emily Kirk Gray ] what do you like to read? NJC [Emily Kirk Gray ] Remembering Kenny [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: what do you like to read ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Gulf Winds (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] uh oh (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] What do you like to read? longish (NJC) ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: uh oh (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] NJC Two countries separated by a common language [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] NJC Mice (No Election content either!) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Diltz Exhibit in San Jose (NJC) [RAVEN@igc.org] Live Joni Recordings [emilygoldsmith@another.com] RE: This JUST in (NJC) ["Susan" ] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] test-njc [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Joni cover [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Janet ....(Was Joni, Xmas CD & Tribute) ["Garret" ] RE:what do you like to read?(NJC) ["Garret" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:01:45 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) Relayer wrote: > I thought this might be an interesting subject for us.I am addicted to > Agatha Christie.I have read about 36 or 37 of her books.I tend to skim alot > of non fiction books,such as music books,movie books,philosophy > books,psychology books,inspirational books ect...I wish I was better at > reading books from page one to the end.I am going to have to work on > that.There is so much that I want to read.I also read alot of magazines.news > magazines and entertainment magazines mainly. Good thread! My favourite author by far is Patricia Cornwell - just finished her latest (The Last Precinct) and my god, what an ending! Stephen King is second, but I prefer his later stuff to his true "horror" books. Loved Dolores Claibourne and The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon. I also love Jean Auel's Earth's Children series (Ayla and Jondalar, etc.) and am not-so-patiently waiting for the fifth book. I love how she uses true archaeological artifacts and builds her stories around them. Other favourites include Keri Hulme (The Bone People is my all-time favourite book), Nevil Shute, John Grisham, Bryce Courtney, Tom Sharpe, Douglas Adams, Thomas Harris, Janet Frame, Michael Crichton, Helen Fielding, etc., etc. Basically I'll read anything anyone recommends! I can't sleep at night unless I've read for an hour or so, so I'm always on the lookout for new authors. I also read very quickly, so I like long books! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:25:03 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: NJC - Other Music hi of all the artists whose music ive picked up this year, there is one who stands out a mile silvio rodriguez a spanish language, folk/protest singer whose songs are so impossibly beautiful they just bring tears to my eyes, even though i havent got a clue what on earth hes saying. i would recomend him very, very highly.............. ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 04:02:07 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: What would they do in England again NJC MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Vote Recount Judge a Gore Donor > CNSNews.com > Wednesday, Nov. 15, 2000 Conservative News Service. Another supposed news story posted by Marcel. The website of Media Research Center, the parent organization of CNSNews.com, has this bit of information on its site: "To ensure the views of conservatives are disseminated, in 1998 the MRC created the Conservative News Service." Newsmax.com and worldnetdaily.com are also right-wing news services that we've seen reports from recently (along with others not attributed to any source) and all are very biased, without making their starting point clear. For example, it does not say anywhere on the CNSNews site what those initials stand for. Nothing from these websites should be considered full and accurate information. It would be like me claiming that articles from the left-wing Village Voice are "just the facts." No way, and no way for these right-wing "news" services either. Anyway, regarding this latest posting: Judge Middlebrooks is definitely a Democrat and his donations are public record. What is ALSO public record is how he has decided cases that have come before him. His decisions are clearly based in the law and sometimes run counter to what is expected a Democrat would decide, which is why he has the reputation, built up over many years, of being an independent thinker. But, none of that information is part of the CNSNews report, of course. The Secretary of State of Florida, Katherine Harris, is relatively new to politics so she doesn't have much of a track record yet. But, she is definitely a Republican who, unlike the judge, has never done anything that runs counter to her party. In Florida newspapers in October there were stories about how she was being so helpful to George W that she could possibly become an ambassador or a member of his cabinet. The idea that hand recounts are allowed in Florida if requested by the candidates in a close election, but that enough time in which to do such a recount is not allowed seems bizarre to me. And the fact that Harris stopped the recounts several different times in the past week and yet now is sticking strictly to the deadline of seven days after the election for certifying all the votes (even though a recent court decision allows her to exercise her discretion about the time allowed) is quite suspicious. Debra Shea P.S. Marcel, send your comments about this to the list only, NOT to me directly. I'll see them on the list along with everyone else. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:24:58 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: "Lesson in survival" > I felt honored that he believed in our friendship enough to be himself > with me and release his pent-up feelings. > Cassy this was a lovely mail and to me you wrote exactly what friendship is about. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 05:29:40 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: JMDL cars (rant) - NJC This is one of those weeks in which my hatred for the automobile comes to a full boil. I bought a Honda Accord last year, and my decision had to do with its deserved reputation for reliability, excellent gas mileage and its being environmentally friendlier -- I still won't call it "friendly" because it still has emissions. Anyway, this car has been in three accidents this year, none of which were my fault, but all of which have been costly to me in terms of both time and money. Entire businesses in Los Angeles are wrapped up in scams around car wrecks, all of which exploit insurance and charge egregious amounts -- that forces up premiums for all of us. All of these places are linked with car rental places which benefit from delays in repairs to your car. What should take a few days ends up taking weeks or even months, and most insurance policies only cover car rentals for a few weeks. Modern cities like Los Angeles and Houston make ownership of a car essential. A thirty minute car ride in L.A. can literally take hours by bus. I remember a woman I knew who used to cook for the fraternity of this guy I used to date. She would take the bus from Compton to Westwood and it took her three and a half hours each way. That's a terrible thing for anyone to have to endure -- 7 hours of every work day spent on a bus. Cars may mean freedom and convenience to people like Colin who live in the country, but for lots of people, especially people who hate cars, they aren't a convenience at all. They are expensive to operate, and a huge chunk of our incomes goes towards their purchase, fueling, repair, insurance, registration, etc. And traffic gets worse every year, so we spend hours in our cars breathing fumes and fuming. We wouldn't have to work 50 and 60 hour work weeks if cars weren't so expensive. It's kind of like working overtime and stressing yourself out so you can afford a stress relieving massage. I know of people who left L.A. and moved to places like San Francisco and Boston and suddenly found they had extra hours in their day. Those are two of my favorite cities in America, and part of the reason, is that they are charming, beautiful, walkable places. In my old 'hood in S.F., my doctor, dentist, grocery store, Irish bar, record shop, barber shop, sushi bar and post office were all within two blocks of my house. I've read several sources which say that the United States, a mere 4 per cent of the world's population, provides 25 per cent of the world's air pollution that contributes to both global warming and the diminishing ozone layer. Some will dismiss these syndromes as panic inducing tripe/junk science, but ask people living in Chile about their alarming skin cancer rate, or herpetologists about the extinction of various frog species, or ask Brits about the flooding of their country this year. I've always hated the suburbs. Cities are so much more interesting and exciting, and in real cities, you don't have to drive. If I had it my way, we would stop sprawling as we build, which begins with curtailing our population. We would have livable, walkable cities with viable public transportation. Cars are an unnecessary evil, and a selfish, inconsiderate mode of transportation. Smokers have gotten used to the idea that they shouldn't smoke around others, but few of us hesitate to start our engines and pour out emissions which are just as responsible for lung cancer in nonsmokers as cigarettes are for smokers. Cars are noisy assed things. They hit and kill dogs, cats and deer as well as humans, and are completely dangerous to drive when drunk, but people drive them anyway. And it's not like we're getting more conscientious about the kinds of the cars we drive as evidenced by the popularity of the S.U.V. which the Union of Concerned Scientists calls the single greatest threat to the environment with its low M.P.G. And the S.U.V. is such a ridiculous vehicle as few of them are ever driven off road or into the country. When I've asked friends of mine why they bought one, the answer is almost always that they "like to be above others" or "like looking down" on others. It reminds me of a few years ago when every gay clone was wearing oversized hiking boots fresh out of the box - -- they were never hiked in, they were worn to discos. The only climbing that was ever done in them was of the social kind. It's also important to mention that my car was backed into twice by S.U.V.s which could not see me in full daylight or with my headlights on. I spent hours today and hours the other day dealing with the bullshit which will get my car's body repaired so that my "resale value will not be affected." At times like this, I long for my hippie past and wish the film industry was located someplace other than smoggy, sprawly, Los Angeles. My agent, who is a great woman, talked me out of getting a Saturn, because they are too "granola, too lesbian" and not the best car to drive on to the lots. What's wrong with granola, what's wrong with lesbian? Let me say it loud and proud, I eat granola, and I'm practically a lesbian myself (or a lesbi-man as Paz called me) as I love softball, flannel shirts, monogamous relationships and I play the acoustic guitar. I got a deal today, and another one is in the works. I'm hoping it will allow me to go electric -- both with a guitar and a car. - - Clark NP: John McLaughlin and Shakti - The Believer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:32:36 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) > > Good thread! > > My favourite author by far is Patricia Cornwell - I too like Cornwall tho was very disappointed with Black Notice. The ending was especially bad. She made Dr Scarpetta do something I believe she would never have done i.e open that door! Howver, having read many of her books, I still likke her. I read a lot of non fiction also. At present am readint he Harry Potter series. Good fun. Used to read King but find him too long winded now. my fave was The Stand. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:03:27 +0800 (PHT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Joni cover Hi Bob! Just reconnected to the List. My question to you: do you already have the version of CENTERPIECE with Van Morrison, Annie Ross and Georgie Fame? I listened to Van Morrison's HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN GOING ON album with Georgie Fame and there was CENTERPIECE with the three of them singing at the same time. If you don't have it, tell me, so I can send this song along with the Paganini Ensemble's version of GOODBYE PORKPIE HAT. Joseph (hopes that whoever sits in the White House gets to really help Asia by not meddling!) np: Liz Callaway "Knowing When To Leave" <--- a most appropriate song for powerful people who can't leave Asia and the rest of the "Third World" countries alone. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:57:10 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: JMDL cars (rant) - NJC > Cars may mean > freedom and convenience to people like Colin who live in the country, but for > lots of people, especially people who hate cars, they aren't a convenience at > all. I don't disagree with most of what you say but I would say for people in rural areas a car is a necessity rathe rthan a convenience. You are right they are expensive. Hwoeevr, without one I would not be able to see friends and it would be very difficult and expensive just to leave this town and then it would only be possible to go to another town. I wouldn't be able to go to the vet, or the friends who live even more rural than I. I sometimes think life would be better if we all went back to foot, horses and carriages. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:57:25 +0800 (PHT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Joni cover Hi Bob! Just reconnected to the List. My question to you: do you already have the version of CENTERPIECE with Van Morrison, Annie Ross and Georgie Fame? I listened to Van Morrison's HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN GOING ON album with Georgie Fame and there was CENTERPIECE with the three of them singing at the same time. If you don't have it, tell me, so I can send this song along with the Paganini Ensemble's version of GOODBYE PORKPIE HAT. Joseph (hopes that whoever sits in the White House gets to really help Asia by not meddling!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:28:11 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: jmdler cars (NJC) The kid sitting in the third row threatening to start a spit ball war says: << Oh, no you don't. You don't get off THAT easily! You are REQUIRED to tell the class all about Mary Grace's Jag U Ar. to my: Mary Grace said simply: > 1969 E-Type Jaguar. >> Well, it was long, it was lean, it was British racing green. Not a convertible, more temperamental than my 19 year old and it went from 0 to mach 5 in no time flat. We used take it up near Lake Ontario and drive really fast along the empty stretches of county roads up there. I'm not sure what drained the budget more; its ongoing repairs or buying new stockings to replace the ripped ones that got caught on the side of the dash every single time. The end. MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:54:44 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: what do you like to read?(NJC) Barbara Vine (pseudonym of Ruth Rendell) - psychological suspense novels, AKA "whydunits" The first two Caleb Carr novels - The Alienest and Angel of Darkness - mysteries set in late 19th century New York City. They reek of history! Much fun. Barbara Kingsolver - esp. The Bean Trees The person who said you liked Agatha Christie - I hope you've read Dorothy Sayers. If not, you MUST. Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:50:55 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: What do you like to read? (NJC) Picking and choosing through the list mail here. I may qualify as a reader. Often I multi-read. I will go to the library and stock up for the weekend and end up with books that I can't decide which one to read first, so I will read one and flip to the other as the mood dictates. Where some people can use their weekends to spend the entire two days focusing on some set of chores, I can easily spend the entire time sitting on my couch reading. When I read, I lose myself entirely in the book, transporting myself smack dab into it. Like the answers so far, I enjoy the Patricia Cromwell novels and although I liked "Black Notice," I agree with Colin about the out-of-character ending. Beyond that, it's suffice to say that I'm a reading junkie. If the blurb catches my eye, I'll take it out of the library and read it. Right now, I just finished a historical novel; "The Autobiography of Henry VIII," a genre of writing that I usually skip. This book was quite well written and researched. "Galileo's Daughter" is waiting in the wings. I'm also an avid re-reader and am always searching out books of my childhood. One of the best books I read when I was 14 was "The Cheerleader" by Ruth Doan MacDougall. Although set in a late 1950's small town, it expertly captured the confusion of growing up, especially for a girl. I just found it again and remained so impressed with it that I went back and bought another one for my boyfriend's 15 year old daughter. Joseph P. Lasch's biographies are usually excellent, Volumes I and II of Blanche Cook's biography of Eleanor Roosevelt rocks and I'm always coming back to and re-reading Jane Alpert's autobiography: "Growing up Underground," not so much because the writing is great, but because it deftly captures the dangerous pull of rhetorical thinking versus a solid sense of self. Laugh if you will, but I also love Jackie Sussan's "Valley of the Dolls," and "Once is Never Enough." The writing is pedestrian, but it is fun and many of the characters are nicely captured. Having said that, I am also a sucker for old Mad magazines and usually do a quick speed read of stupid celebrity "as told to's" while I am browsing through the library stacks. MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:07:03 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: This JUST in (NJC) (md) MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/15/2000 3:59:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, > michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: > > << marcel deste famed san fransisco republican/singer/guitarist/ was seen > impregnating ballots in south florida. onlookers report that there WAS NOT > full penetration in every case. some ballots were left with the pregnant > look without any evidence of penetration. >> > > For the first time in my entire life I am speechless. Ahem, they couldnt be > pregnant because i used the condoms you sent me.........oh Michael.... you > didnt.......marcel I presume that the children born of these pregnancies, regardless of father, will all be named "Chad?" (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:04:18 -0500 From: BarBearUh Subject: other songwriters/cars NJC i think you'll find RLJ quite different from joni. try flying cowboys, traffic from paradise. can't believe no one's mentioned JANE SIBERRY yet! must explore! 'when i was a boy' the masterpiece, 'maria' and 'bound by the beauty' also wonderful. new 'hush' also very nice, but covers of traditional songs, not originals. i think you can now hear samples at http://www.sheeba.ca although as much a cover artist as a writer, CASSANDRA WILSON is a great, great talent. 'traveling miles', 'new moon daughter' and 'blue light til dawn' all excellent. the 2nd may fit the most to your taste? although not a woman, NICK DRAKE certainly plays within the category of music you love. don't waste money on the individual albums; get the box set. EMMYLOU HARRIS has hit her stride. she is also more of a cover artist, though 'red dirt girl' is almost all self-penned. i'd start there. DANIEL LANOIS is the inspiration behind emmylou's metamorphosis (he produced 'wreckingball'). a great, great producer who is just as amazing on his own albums, if not more. start with 'acadie' and after you're in love, go for 'for the beauty of wynona'. TOSHI REAGON - 'the righteous ones'. righteous. great energy, songwriting, voice. you may have heard her on the central park tribute, where she's not 1/2 as good as when playing her own stuff. amazing live - - just explodes in the room. you might want to try THE INNOCENCE MISSION, a band from PA. larry klein produced their first two albums, which i love. their more recent stuff is much more acoustic & low key (a little monotonous for me) but still nice. they sound a lot like THE SUNDAYS, who i recommend much more highly. 'blind' and 'reading writing + arithemetic' both complete gems, end to end. i also can't believe no one suggested ME'SHELL NDEGEOCELLO. another list favorite. 'bitter' the most likely to fit your taste, though 'peace beyond passion' my favorite. if at first you don't succeed, try try ANI again. 'to the teeth' is fabulous. 'out of range' seems like the one you'd appreciate most. see her live and you'll convert. ELVIS COSTELLO! one of the singer/songwriters of the century. try 'bread & chocolate' or 'king of america' for the more acoustic side of elvis. 1st car: '64 red VW bug w/sunroof. 4 speed. avg 30mpg current car: '90 or '91 (can never remember) mercury tracer, which is really a mazda (626 engine) that looks like a honda with a more poorly built ford body. sunroof, 5 speed. avg29mpg next car: a convertible, though i don't know what kind yet. not in it for the sport, in it for the big sky. leaning towards buying a used saab. if anyone knows of a convertible that has a back seat, trunk bigger than a bread box, decent gas mileage, 5 speed & front wheel drive standard, let me know. seems it's very difficult to get practical convertible - VW cabriolet seems like the only option, but its back seat and trunk are both miniscule (dog would not approve). i've rented chrysler & some other american brand convertibles (chevy?), but didn't like 'em much. barbara np:npr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:47:20 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: What would they do in England again (NJC) (md) Debra's blanket dismissal of any news source other than those in which 92% of the staff vote liberal and radical liberal candidates are all unworthy of consideration. She takes a clearly slimey partisan with a histopry of rulings dictated by the central committee and calls him "and independent thinker' but takes a news item that appeared in every other news source and implies that because it appeared in a conservative news source it must be phoney. That is classic "liberal logic". How about ABC. Is that bogus as well? It is frighteningly clear that Democrats who are carrying around voting machines in their cars will stop at nothing to steal this election It is clear why they want recounts. It is the only way that the votes they manufacture in the parking lot can be slipped into the count. Any judge who would approve or allow this kind of criminal activity is also unworthy of participating in the decisions that pick our leaders. Lets test Debras "unbiased" news sources. Lets see how much Debras approved news sources inform the American people of this crime by this Democratic elected official on an issue clearly related to the validity of the "hand counts" Al Gore wants so much. Read below. Voting Mechanism Recovered Police Say Florida Democrat Had a ‘Votamatic’ in His Car By Chris Vlasto and David Ruppe Nov. 15 — Several days after presidential votes were tallied in what has become the hotbed of Florida’s post-election confusion, police in Palm Beach County confiscated a ballot-box mechanism from the car of a well-known local Democrat. The mechanism, called a “Votamatic,” did not contain any ballots. It’s a device used on some types of ballot boxes to punch votes through ballot cards, which are then tallied by computers. According to a police report filed at the Palm Beach County sheriff’s office and obtained by ABCNEWS, Irving Slosberg, 53, pulled the mechanism from his car and handed it over to police on Nov. 11 after denying to a county government employee that he had it. When told of the incident, Palm Beach County’s supervisor of elections, Theresa Lefore, declined to press charges, according to the report. “She noted that this incident did occur during the hand count of the presidential election and Lefore stated she did not wish to pursue further this matter at this time due to extenuating circumstances,” it said. No further action was taken. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:34:29 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: other songwriters/cars NJC > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:04:18 -0500 > From: BarBearUh > To: JMDL > Subject: other songwriters/cars NJC > Reply-to: BarBearUh > can't believe no one's mentioned JANE SIBERRY yet! must explore! 'when How would you rate her new albume Hush? I have a couple of hers. Speckless Sky and The Walking. Very different and very good. I agree, we must explore JS. Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:42:36 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Hole, Liz Phair, and other recommendations (NJC) Jason! that post about liz phair, jen trynin, and juliana hatfield was so informative, so specific, and just: thanks! you really intrigued me with jen trynin, whom i've never heard of. i've added her to the top of an alarmingly-fast growing list. when i asked for some music recommendations, i think i hardly knew the breadth and depth of wonderful suggestions (some reminders, some totally new artists to me) that would come from this great list. thank you! i hope reading about these has been interesting and thought-provoking to others. - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:56:45 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) Now reading: Hornito by Mike Albo Merrick by Anne Rice A Density of Souls ny Christopher Rice Jerry np:Jeff Buckley - Grace ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:55:50 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: new music (NJC) diane: not only have i not heard anggun, i've never heard OF her! sounds intriguing... also, i have to admit that i needed to go to my dictionary (i'm ATROCIOUS when it comes to geography) to ascertain "from java" and found that java is the main island of indonesia, with just over 51,000 square miles. probably everyone else knew that, but i'll share nonetheless! - --emily ps: just a friendly reminder (doesn't apply to diane) to all that respond so helpfully to my "new music" requests, to add the NJC tag... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:05:18 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: what do you like to read? NJC hi relayer! i could never pass up a reading or books thread. for work (i'm a graduate student) i'm reading lots and lots of shakespeare and writers ON shakespeare. that part's wonderful. but i also am reading lots of boring and silly critical theorists on arcane quibbling matters, and that's a drag. for "fun" -- although i hardly separate these out any more, i'm in the middle of richard ford's sprawling novel, "independence day" which i LIKE, but wish wasn't quite so sprawling. i also just read (at my brother's behest -- it's his favorite book, bar none), a sci-fi novel by orson scott card called "ender's game" (poorly written but with a cracking good war-games story and maybe one of the best trick endings i've ever read.) and as always i'm reading short stories by the bushel -- ann beatties' newest in the new yorker, elizabeth tippens in harper's, and a wonderful gritty funny one by the great chris offutt in a literary journal called "fence." i could go on for hours...but won't! - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:18:41 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Remembering Kenny Thank you to Jody who telephoned to let me know this sad and shocking news. With moving to a new house and Mark's dad here I haven't been reading my Joni digests at all for about a month now. Jody also directed me to Les's site with the moving memorial to Kenny and I've been reading everyone's comforting thoughts and memories. Kenny and I emailed in the beginning mostly about freebies. I was saving UPCs and labels off food to get stuff for my family. Kenny actually asked me to send him a list of what I was looking for and he went through his kitchen & bathroom cabinets pulling these things off and sending them to me. Just the thought of this man going around his home pulling off UPCs and labels endeared him to me. I don't believe too many guys would do this......and willingly. So, thanks to him I got some 'free' coupons and shared them with him too........like Blockbuster and free meat coupons that Kenny liked because he used those in cooking. He had sent me an unbelievable spaghetti sauce recipe .........I'd never seen anything so long.......the real stuff.........not bottled Prego with some garlic and sugar added. His spaghetti sauce was an all day affair in the kitchen! Those rare times I'd delurk to add my thoughts to the list Kenny would always acknowledge what I had to say....either to the list or privately.........even coming to my rescue when I was being verbally attacked. When I finally did meet Kenny in person at Ashara's last year (1999 JoniFest) I wasn't surprised to find he was as warm a person in the flesh as in his emails and I spent quite some time talking with him. It was there at Ashara's that he shared that he had recently had a heart attack and so had lost weight eating alot of chicken and was working on a healthier lifestyle at the same time dealing with some major stressful events going on in his life and around him. I was really impressed by his willpower to diet the way he did. That's why losing Kenny is so shocking. He was actively working on his health and he was young.........he had a whole other half of his life ahead of him. Whenever I hear Michael Paz's version of Song for Sharon I think of Kenny. I remember we were sitting together at the bar at Atty May's surrounded by our JMDL family and Michael started playing this beautiful music and singing the words in his deep voice. When he had finished playing Kenny and I looked at each other with wet eyes, both moved. It was so beautiful! We talked alot at Atty Mays (sometimes shouting when the music got really loud) ......and Kenny kept apologizing for talking so much....... though I kept reassuring him there were other places I could be sitting if I wanted to! I was happy to finally talk with him one on one.... and like old friends we had alot of catching up to do......there was alot to talk about................everything from Joni and our families to our chocolate obsession and our teeth! I'm going to miss Kenny alot. My belated sympathy and prayers go out to all his family and friends. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:25:02 EST From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: what do you like to read Well, since i am a theater production major, alot of what i like to read revolves around that. I am reading right now Brecht on Theater Which should be a fascinating read. I also have enjoyed some Charles Dickens, The Portrait of Dorian Gray by Wilde, and the plays of Anton Checkhov blair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:33:59 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Gulf Winds (NJC) "Christopher J. Treacy" wrote: > Greetings all, > I think it was Wally who not long ago mentioned he was listening to Joan > Baez's "Gulf Winds" album Any > suggestions would be a help. Thanks, Chris IBig Baez fan here. I would suggest Ring Them Bells from 1995. It is a15-song collection of live recordings features Baez performing with Mary Black, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Mimi Farina, Tish Hinojosa, Janis Ian, Indigo Girls, Kate & Anna McGarrigle, and Dar Williams. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:39:04 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: uh oh (NJC) oh oh... Bush seemed rather upset when Florida was called for Gore around 8PM, now we hear his cousin was the first to call Florida (and the election) for Bush Wednesday AM. Of course this is all "liberal tripe"... ;-) http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/15/george.tm/ Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:40:49 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: What do you like to read? longish (NJC) Recently, I've been reading like there's no tomorrow. I finally put the local library to use, as a branch exists 2 doors down. I go into the catalogue, and end up ordering interlibrary loans from all over the city, having them delivered to my branch within a week, and they notify me by email. I can also renew by email. It's a new dawn! ;~) Best discovery of recent months : A.M. Homes!!! A professor at Columbia University, this chick has a nack for storytelling that is seldom seen. She reads as easy as Armistead Maupin ("Tales of The City") with an amazing sense of humor, often handeling rather 'heavy' subject matter. The best of the lot is without a doubt the most recent "Music For Torching", a novel born out of the first entry in her book of short stories "The Safety of Objects". "In a Country of Mothers", "Jack", and "The End of Alice" are also shining examples of talent. Christopher Rice's "A Density of Souls" was also quite good - unusual, haunting and clever, though the story takes so many twists and turns, it almost lacks ALL of the details to make sense in the end. Still, as a debut, it's quite worthwhile. Arimistead Maupin's new one "The Night Listener" is VERY emotional, and might dissapoint those looking for something along the lines of his short stories, but his genius shines through a tear jerker of a story. For those unfamiliar, his "Tales of The City" series is irresistable, a hilarious and touching portrait of a group of folks whose stories are ingeniusly linked together, set in San Francisco in the mid-late 70's. The books follow their paths into the 'reality' of the 80's, running a total of 6 volumes. MUST! Other goodies: Ethan Mordden's NY series beginning with "I've A Feeling We're Not In Kansas Anymore", anything by Ira Levin, "This Perfect Day" in aprticular, Vonnegut - "Slapstick", "Breakfast of Champions", "Jailbird" and "Deadeye Dick" - I find his mid 70's to early 80's stuff best. By the way, has anyone out there read Adams' "The Girl in a Swing"? I read this book a few months ago, and still can't quite figure how it ended...help? Current reads: "Transpotting"-Irvine Welsh "Requiem For A Dream"-Selby Jr. "Any Woman's Blues"-Erica Jong "Herland"-Gillman - -Chris NP:"Takin' The Long Way Home"-Tuck & Patti ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:22:20 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL cars (rant) - NJC > From: CarltonCT@aol.com > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 05:29:40 EST > Subject: JMDL cars (rant) - NJC > To: joni@smoe.org > Reply-to: CarltonCT@aol.com > still has emissions. Anyway, this car has been in three accidents this > year, none of which were my fault, but all of which have been costly to me in > terms of both time and money. Entire businesses in Los Angeles are wrapped Did your insurance rates go up? They will for a so called "at risk" driver. Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:39:34 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) I have to confess, I really don't like to read. A book really has to grab me and suck me in to the point of I can't put it down. Currently while I've been out of work, I've been reading Brian Hinton's Biography on Joni "Both Sides Now." I wanted to get The Joni Mitchell Companion, but Borders didn't have it in stock. In the past I have enjoyed a few novels by Danielle Steel. - -Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:55:22 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: uh oh (NJC) In a message dated 11/16/00 6:45:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: << now we hear his cousin was the first to call Florida (and the election) for Bush Wednesday AM. Of course this is all "liberal tripe"... ;-) >> Not really Gerry because as you know Bush has in fact won Florida after three recounts. Another significant aspect of this is that the later announcement of the network prompted by Bush's cousin didnt cause people to think that someone had actually won the state before the voting booths in that state had closed. That attempt to actually influence the election was done by Demo partisans not Republican partisans. So it couldnt be liberal tripe at all. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:19:44 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: NJC Two countries separated by a common language Here's a linguistic puzzle that has baffled me for a while, and as language seems to be a current topic, I throw it into the pot: We have an expression to denote complete indifference: "I couldn't care less" - - in other words, it would not be possible to care less than I do now. It seems that in American English the phrase is "I could care less." [it cropped up recently in the context of you-know-what current event - Doh! I almost mentioned it...] Surely this has the reverse meaning to the intended one if taken literally, ie it WOULD be possible to be more indifferent than I am. Am I missing some semantic subtlety here? Azeem (pedantic, moi?) in London NP: Robin Holcomb, "Rockabye" - I finally got to see her again on Sunday! She played mostly solo, although she was joined by Bill Frisell's trio for three songs, which were beautiful. And she played a lot of now songs, which I would love to hear again. I don't suppose anyone knows if she's made a record since "Little Three"?? As a footnote, the couple next to me, who had never heard of her, were completely bamboozled by most of her set, reminding me that her voice, in particular, is definitely an acquired taste! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:23:25 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) I don't get a chance to read many books, but I'm the first in line to buy any new books by David Sedaris (who attended high school with our own Bob Muller) Sedaris' latest "Me Talk Pretty One Day" is another hysterically funny book of short stories. (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED FOR THOSE WHO LIKE SARCASTIC HUMOR) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:19:43 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: NJC Mice (No Election content either!) I mentioned a few days ago that I had a mouse in my flat. Well, I was talking to a friend about this, and she said that her husband's father had had a minor infestation a few years ago. As he was a gentle sort of chap who didn't like the idea of conventional traps, he came up with what he believed was a compassionate solution to catching and getting rid of the meeces. This is a bit gross, folks, so stop reading here if you're squeamish, and just hope that this man never gets really angry at you... He purchased some humane traps. When the unfortunate mice got caught, he'd put them in the deep freeze for a few days, then flush them down the toilet!!! Nice, eh? And would you want to eat anything out of his freezer?? Azeem, shuddering slightly in North London (not just from the cold) NP: PJ Harvey - We Float, a magnificent closer to a superb album, Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea [well, there's another song, but it's semi-hidden and I'm not counting it ...] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:25:49 -0800 From: RAVEN@igc.org Subject: Diltz Exhibit in San Jose (NJC) I have been out-of-town for nearly four weeks, and returned to (1) an over-flowing mailbox (gee, y'all have had a lot to say lately ), and (2) an article in yesterday's San Jose Mercury News which alerted me that this weekend is the Diltz Exhibit in San Jose. November 16-19 Sainte Claire Hotel 302 S. Market Street San Jose, CA The article should be available on the web through next Tuesday at no cost (at which point the article will move to the paper's long-term archives, which charges for access). - -- RAVEN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:30:21 +0000 (GMT+00:00) From: emilygoldsmith@another.com Subject: Live Joni Recordings - --32960147.974392221071.JavaMail.nobody@www-a22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I don't know if anyone can help me, I'm new to this, but I've recently been trying to get my hands on some older live Joni recordings. I'm particularly after something recorded with James Taylor or Jackson Browne, but really anything on DVD, video or CD. Someone recommended I try the BBC shop for the old radio recordings, however they told me they were no longer availible. I've also managed to track down the video from the Isle of Whight Festival. Has any one got any ideas? I'm based in London, but internet sites would be good. Thanks Emily Your email address says a lot about you. Express yourself @ another.com http://another.com/jump.jsp?destDesc=another.com/login.jsp?sig=393 - --32960147.974392221071.JavaMail.nobody@www-a22-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:28:53 -0600 From: "Susan" Subject: RE: This JUST in (NJC) > Michael Paz wrote: marcel deste famed san fransisco republican/singer/guitarist/ was seen > impregnating ballots in south florida. onlookers report that there WAS NOT > full penetration in every case. some ballots were left with the pregnant > look without any evidence of penetration. > Too funny Michael! But I was just wondering aloud: Well being a republican (Marcel - not me), I am sure we wouldn't want to ABORT ANY vote no matter what the circumstance now would we? So what the heck kids let's count them all - AGAIN! In fact let's vote again. And speaking of judges with conflict of interests, I am sure that Florida's secretary of state has none! Yea if you believe that, then you know I voted for Buchannan, I have gone straight and I think Nixon was a hunk! Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:42:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) Jimmy, Kakki is in Tampa. She is coming to my place tonight and I'm taking her to dinner. Wish you could come up. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:50:19 -0800 From: Don Sloan Subject: Aimee Mann on Leno NJC I caught maybe the last eight bars of the Aimee Mann performance on Leno last night. I don't have any of her music but would like to get the CD that song is on... can someone tell me the name of the album? Thanks, Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:51:51 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: test-njc test. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:19:44 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) > From: RoseMJoy@aol.com > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:39:34 EST > Subject: Re: what do you like to read?(NJC) > To: Relayer211@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Reply-to: RoseMJoy@aol.com > I have to confess, I really don't like to read. A book really has to grab me > and suck me in to the point of I can't put it down. Currently while I've been > out of work, I've been reading Brian Hinton's Biography on Joni "Both Sides > Now." I wanted to get The Joni Mitchell Companion, but Borders didn't have it > in stock. > In the past I have enjoyed a few novels by Danielle Steel. > > -Rose in NJ I agree with you. I hate reading. But, I did read that Brian Hinton book. Was it my hating to read that made it so hard to follow? Maybe I'm not smart enough, but it seemed like a tough book to get into a flow with. Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:46:34 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Re: This JUST in (NJC) (md) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Vince Lavieri To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:07 AM Subject: Re: This JUST in (NJC) (md) > I presume that the children born of these pregnancies, regardless of father, > will all be named "Chad?" > > (the Rev) Vince Rev- I think this VERY thoughtful and also VERY insightful. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:59:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni cover <> I'm glad of that...welcome back! <> I HAVE heard it...I haven't included this one as Centerpiece isn't really a Joni song, but it's a great version so let's throw it in the mix! And I'm really excited about the 'Porkpie' track! Thanks again for your invaluable contributions to the project! Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Spare Parts", Hartford, CT 5/78 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:55:00 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Janet ....(Was Joni, Xmas CD & Tribute) We dont have VH1 in irealnd and our mtv always plays the same music again and again. though i must admit that Trevor on the Lick really likes Janet too. i too prefer Janet over madonna. i dont know why really. i love almost every janet song i've ever heard, excpet The Knowledge from Rhythm Nation and some b-side on the everytime single. but with the few madonna albums i have i've found quite a few madonna clunkers. but then again, Janet cant really top Like A Prayer or this used to be my playground ( a song that makes me cry....how come i didnt think of that last week while that thread was still going). i loved velvet rope too. i though thte reviews were too harsh. nutty professor two?? this has passed right over my head! i heard about it at some point, didnt realise it was already out. and i'm always in the cinema!! lordy, i feel like an ostrich now!! Youre right jason, Control is good. what about contro teh remixes? good, but some of the vcersions get a little overblown. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:14:31 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: RE:what do you like to read?(NJC) what an interesting thread this could be.......pretty sure harry potter will be mentioned soon!!! i'm currently reading Lord of the Rings (still). after making some comment on teh list months ago about Joni liking it i was totally convinced by Mark (in Seattle) and Chris (in Cambridge, England) and others to run out and buy the Hobbit, which i loved. it was so much fun, not exactly what i usually read, but still a wonderful adventure story. i bought a single edition of LOTR hardbakc with the intention of bringing to the states with me....but it was a little too heavy, so i started when i came home. it is thoroughly engrossing, is it not? tolkiens writing thrills me partially due to his insatiable attention to detail and back story, and partly because he has a charming sort of humour to him. i think that one can read into his writing whatever one wishes. he is not a didactic writer, he leads you but lets you interpret it your way, he doesnt assume that his audience is stupid and must be spoon fed. you must make connections with things that happened four hundred pages ago and may have seemed insignificant. i have also loved everything of Toni Morrisons that i've ever read, and i could write about her for hours on end....if anyones interested. any other Toni fans on the list?????? GARRET ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #609 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?