From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #607 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 15 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 607 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Hole, Liz Phair, other recommendations (NJC) [Jason Long ] Re: Doing covers ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: Doing covers [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: muller's priesthood njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Going For The One njc ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Free JUDY COLLINS Concerts NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Hole NJC ["Garret" ] Elections - NJC ["Greer, Ron" ] Re: Hole NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Hole NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Elections - NJC [catman ] jmdler cars (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: jmdler cars (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: jmdler cars NJC [Don Sloan ] sisotowbell lane ? ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Fox ["Kate Bennett" ] new music ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: JMDL cars, NJC ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: sisotowbell lane [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: jmdler cars (NJC) ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] politics & philosophy ["Kate Bennett" ] More voting hilarity (NJC) ["Chris Marshall" ] dylan jr. joke NJC [jan gyn ] My favorite new snigglet ... (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: Janet ....(Was Joni, Xmas CD & Tribute) ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: Hole NJC [Emily Kirk Gray ] Re: new music [Emily Kirk Gray ] What would they do in England again ? (njc) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: jmdler cars (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] KeriD (lonely painter) SJC ["karla subero" ] This JUST in (NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] RE: new music ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: jmdler cars NJC ["Diane Evans" ] Re: new music ideas? NJC ["Diane Evans" ] Foni Mitchell live (report) [Fonimitchell@aol.com] Re: Janet ....(Was Joni, Xmas CD & Tribute) [Jason Maloney ] Re: jmdler cars NJC [Jason Maloney ] "Lesson in survival" [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: jmdler cars NJC [catman ] Re: "Lesson in survival" [catman ] RE: jmdler cars NJC ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: jmdler cars NJC [catman ] Re: "Lesson in survival" ["cassy" ] Re: This JUST in (NJC) [Heather ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:27:04 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Hole, Liz Phair, other recommendations (NJC) Emily wrote: >i'm sorry about your mouth but i hope you can type because, what >is "season of the witch"?!?! am i totally clueless? is this a new >hole album? i only have "live through this" and "celebrity skin." >i'd be so psyched if they had a new release already! I'm not sure if this has been answered yet (I'm on digest), but "Season of the Witch" is a cover of the Donovan song that was recorded during Hole's appearance on MTV's Unplugged a few years back. It can be found on _My Body, The Hand Grenade_, which is an odds-and-ends compilation of live recordings and pre-_Live Through This_ singles (back when Hole were more of a "grindcore" band). Their pop sensibility wasn't as well-developed at that time and as much as I used to love their earlier stuff, I find I can only handle it in small doses now. The disc is well-worth it though just for the songs "Beautiful Son" and "20 Years in the Dakota," from a now out-of-print single, as well as a demo of "Miss World" and the _Live Through This_ outtake "Old Age." Of the earliest recordings on the disc, "Dicknail" and "Retard Girl" are the most compelling -- harrowing yet fascinating at the same time. I've seen quite a few Liz Phair mentions here, and as the resident Phair addict, I must speak up. Since you already own _Whip-Smart_, I would definitely recommend _Exile in Guyville_. To me, it is Liz's most essential album -- the songwriting is much stronger than on her other releases and it's flawlessly structured; one of the best-sequenced albums I've ever heard. Her voice is much rawer than on the following releases and her vocals have more of a conversational tone to them, which does seem to turn many people off. But hey, who said Bob Dylan was a great vocalist either? Liz's voice suits the material on the album. Songs like "Shatter" or "Divorce Song" would not resonate so powerfully for me if coming from the likes of a Mariah Carey or Celine Dion. Also, regarding the _whitechocolatespaceegg_ slams I've seen: Okay, okay, it's not Liz's best album, but it's still not a bad record. Liz's vocals are a little more polished and the production's a little more slick, but I have to give her credit for making an album that alienated a lot of her indie faithful. The songs are a lot more pop than rock this time out, and it's a lot more varied both musically and thematically. Sure, there are a few stumbles along the way, but she's developing into a songwriter with wider range, which I love seeing. As much as I love _Guyville_, I think I'd get rather bored if all her other albums were mere retreads of it and given all the changes in her life, it wouldn't be believable anyway. I think my main problem with the 'egg is that while I like all the songs individually, they don't hold together very well as an album -- maybe it's the sequencing, maybe it's the variance of styles and subject matter, but there's just no flow. It lacks the cohesiveness that both _Whip-Smart_ and _Guyville_ have. Of course, it wasn't until I heard the first completed version of this album that was rejected by the label that I came to see so many flaws in the released version. Now I almost can't help but see _whitechocolatespaceegg_ as a somewhat compromised vision, knowing that some of its best (but least accessible) tracks were left off. And the first version feels truer, somehow more in line with the spirit of her past work while still reflecting a maturer Phair. As for another artist you might enjoy, I would wholeheartedly recommend Jen Trynin. Both of her albums, _Cockamamie_ and _Gun Shy Trigger Happy_ are now out-of-print, but they should be easy to find used. The former album has a real "live band" feel to it and while the songwriting and Jen's guitar playing and vocals are both excellent, it feels like a rather run-of-the-mill alternative-pop release compared to the latter, which is one of the most consistently stunning albums I own. It's deeply personal, like Liz Phair's _Exile in Guyville_ (and possibly the best break-up album since it), her songwriting is like a slightly grittier Aimee Mann, her vocals are vaguely reminiscent of Chrissie Hynde and her guitar playing is like no one else. She used to open for Aimee Mann quite a bit when they both were playing the Boston club scene in the early '90s and they remain friends: Jen played guitar on "Ghost World" on Aimee's new one (presumably to return the favor from when Aimee contributed backing vocals to Jen's "Snow" off her first record). Also, have you heard any Juliana Hatfield? I never used to be a believer (in fact, I had purchased _Become What You Are_ out of curiosity at one point and traded it back in within days), but a few of the fine folks on the Liz Phair list strongly recommended one of her new discs, _Beautiful Creature_, which I picked up a few months ago and really like. You may recognize Juliana's voice; she's another person who's worked with Aimee Mann, contributing backing vocals to three of my favorite Aimee songs: "You Could Make a Killing," "Amateur" and "Deathly." If you'd like any more information about any of these artists, please feel free to write to me off-list. Cheers, Jase NP: Blur, _The Best of Blur_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:14:11 GMT From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: Doing covers <> <> I think this is a great idea and could be great fun. We could have an Hits & Misses kind of thing, where all JMDLers could vote for the covers they'd like to be included in the "Best of". But to be fair, Bob would have to count the votes by hand... Raffaele (London) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:00:31 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Doing covers In a message dated 11/15/00 5:23:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, r_malanga@hotmail.com writes: << How do you pick? I certainly couldn't choose as I love all of my babies! Even that el-stinko Jim Nabors YOU got! :~) Bob>> I think this is a great idea and could be great fun. We could have an Hits & Misses kind of thing, where all JMDLers could vote for the covers they'd like to be included in the "Best of". But to be fair, Bob would have to count the votes by hand... Raffaele (London) >> I guess that means because I'm in Florida, I can intend to vote for Nazareth, but punch the Jim Nabors box by accident instead. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:16:24 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: muller's priesthood njc << am i still in time to send you blossom dearie's both sides now? you know, it's GROOVY. i was wondering, can i record the track on my hard disk and then send it to you as FILE?????? >> Always on time, Wally...the project is ongoing, until either I assume room temperature or people stop recording Joni's tunes. And we know only one of those scenarios is likely, and even then somebody else will pick up the slack! :~) You CAN send it as a WAV file, but I don't have any way to download it into something I can transfer to disc. But it might be one way to get it out of Argentina so the mail gestapos don't get it! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:34:36 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: RE: Going For The One njc > From: "Wally Kairuz" > To: "Mike Hicks" , > "c Karma" > Cc: , > > Subject: RE: Going For The One njc > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:23:28 -0300 > to me the ultimate is relayer. when we were kids we would sneak into church > and put the album on the tabernacle and worship it. seriously. > close to the edge is also out of this world. > i started cooling off with going for the one, though i like a couple of > tracks. tormato just didn't do it for me. yes comes to argentina about once > every two years [maybe because we're close to brazil]. > wallyK > > -----Mensaje original----- > I felt the same about Relayer. It just didn't quite do it for me. I even liked the Drama LP some. I know I lifted a couple of tracks off to tape. Topographic Oceans is an LP that I don't even own. Can you believe that? I like it, but when I want to listen to Yes it is just not the one I go for. But, I still am an avid Yes fan even though I don't own them all. Give Tormato one more try. It does "rock" a little more than some of the others. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:54:26 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Free JUDY COLLINS Concerts NJC WirlyPearl@aol.com wrote:Some months > back they had MELANIE and her family performing. It was mobbed. I had > to share a chair to stand on. She was absolutely > incredible. I wasn't that into her music much when she was popular, but > she can still sing, writes some great songs and plays fantastic guitar. > She's also quite a story teller. She had some new CD's released at > the time as well as a greatest hits CD. She has surprisingly, probably > doubled in size. She's definitely someone to rediscover. Thanks for the heads up, Pearl. I didn't get to see the Melanie concert there but bought the cd and it is wonderful. Hope you get to see Judy there, also. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:42:24 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: RE: Janet ....(Was Joni, Xmas CD & Tribute) Chris wrote: I saw a new Janet Jackson video today on VH1 for another single altogether really??? was it good? is there an album due out ? i love Janet. teh first cd i ever owned was her 1994 album janet. and yes, i think janet doing Beat of Black Wings could be fantastic. i just loved her cover of Tonights The Night on Velvet Rope! GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:42:48 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Hole NJC Courtney is one of those celebrities (cos thats what she is) you just have to love or hate isnt she? she is such a bitch- i love it! Season of the Witch is a Donovan Leitch song. i think the definitive version of this is Wilco, but Holes is pretty cool too. i have it on an album called My Body, The Hand Grenade. i'm not sure if its official or what the story with it is. it is a document of Holes development as a band. the very first song they recorded is on there- Turpentine,. im not sure if this is available anywhere else. it has songs from beofer PRetty On The INside (an album which, by teh way, includes Holes interesting take on Both SIdes Now....available on Covers and Contributions 11 i think). the cd has rare recordings, demos and deleted singels. its pretty cool. there is a version of Miss WOrld without the "i made my bed" lyrics! keep your eyes open for it. i got it in Newbury Comics when i was in Hyannis, Ma. (tho if u really cant find it and think that youjust need a copy let me know and ill see what i can do:-) GARRET ps- have yo ever heard the hole cover of Stevie Nicks GOld Dust Woman??? tis fantastic! Stevcie is another artist you may be interested in1 oh, and there cover of DYlans Its all over now, Babt Blue (well, its more like a cover of the Them version!) > > > i'm sorry about your mouth but i hope you can type because, what > is "season of the witch"?!?! am i totally clueless? is this a new > hole album? i only have "live through this" and "celebrity skin." > i'd be so psyched if they had a new release already! > - ----- Original Message ----- From: Emily Kirk Gray To: Garret Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:54 PM Subject: RE:new music ideas? NJC > > > garret! > > you wrote: > "np- HOLE- SEASON OF THE WITCH (and yyeeeeahhhhh, its great....tho i cant > sing along cos the dentist did something mad to me and i cant open my > mouth)" > > > > --emily > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:41:56 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: Elections - NJC hi let me be the first to supply the following mathematical proof that *something* had to go wrong with the elections: election + y2k = e2k ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:25:10 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hole NJC <> Volume 4, actually, which is already our "Misses" edition... "Interesting" is always a kind way to say that something sucks(:~D)...this is a brutal version, definitely a must hear so that the total trashiness of it can be savored. I intentionally sequenced it to appear right after Doris Day's virginal performance. Now if we could get a Courtney/Doris duet, now THAT would be a coup! :~) Bob NP: Tom Waits, "What Became of Old Father Craft" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:59:08 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Hole NJC In a message dated 11/15/00 10:43:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Now if we could get a Courtney/Doris duet, now THAT would be a coup! :~) >> LOL Bob ! If you can make that happen, then see if you can get John Davidson to appear with Green Day :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:00:13 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Elections - NJC surely the woman who is going to decide about the recount, Katerin someone, should bos out and leave it to someone else as she has vested interest. This she would HAVE to do here. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:00:05 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: jmdler cars (NJC) UK Chris wrote: > TVR Chimaera 500. Please excuse me while I drool... :) - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:39:53 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: jmdler cars (NJC) Oh, the quintessential thread: '76 Olds 98 Regency -- "The Lust Barge" ... traded for: '79 Chevy Camaro (black, 350 V8 big block, twin turbo aspirated by me and my long lost shadetree gearhead pals ... sneaky little looking stock number would blow Porshes off the line) affectionately known as "Boris The Phallic Cockroach." Now driving ... '97 Cavalier "El Poquito Calliente." Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:49:49 -0800 From: Don Sloan Subject: Re: jmdler cars NJC when working (presently off with a wrecked back), i commute 55 miles to work but my schedule requires i make the drive only three times a week... sometimes four. plus, these are high efficiency/lowest pollution miles - no stop-and-go freeway or city driving. I just can't live in the city - mountains are my home - so to me there is presently no choice to the commuting. i have paid big bucks for a solar/wind electrical generating system for my house so when that gets installed i will feel less concern about the driving/polluting. '92 acura integra... best engineered car i've ever owned '88 isuzu trooper 4x4 gotta have those five speeds for greater control in the ice and snow. previous best car and most *fun* car, recently regrettably sold: '65 Mustang heather wrote: <> oh, heather... to pay $1.68/gal!! it's a steady $1.88 for me, regular unleaded, here in california. don ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 1:48:50 -0600 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: sisotowbell lane ? Where is Sisotowbell Lane was it an imaginary place or is it outside Tallahassee Florida 32308 right off of Long and Winding Road Paul and Joni meet at last!. - -------------------------------------------- Set-up your own e-Architect mail account, go to http://mail.e-Architect.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:15:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Fox LOLROF "It was NOT fox! Michele would never let me buy anything made out of foxes. It was totally synthetic, I tell you, and I thought it was late June, not July...but I'm running a little behind. Is it next week when we vote??? I predict Bush in a landslide. Straight outa Orange County...." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:15:38 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: new music Emily, I am a singer/songwriter always on the look out for new inspiration (Joni was my first). Do you have Patty Griffin? I have heard much about her from other female singer/songwriters & finally got her first cd Living With Ghosts. WOW. I can't stop playing it. (I love Aimee Mann too). Its pretty much her voice & guitar (the more recent one Flaming Red is a full production- I have only heard samplets of this one). Patty has elements of Rickie Lee Jones, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin & Bonnie Raitt in her music. BTW, I love Rickie Lee Jones & don't think she is anything like Joni. Much less cerebral. The albums others have mentioned are all good. I don't have her new one yet though. Jonatha Brooke is another wonderful singer/songwriter as is Patty Larkin. And while we are talking about other singer/songwriters, even though he is a guy, I have 2 words- JOHN GORKA! ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:01:47 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL cars, NJC > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > To: "_JMDL - June 98" > Subject: JMDL cars, NJC > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:25:50 -0500 > Reply-to: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > former car, least favorite: Ford Pinto wagon with genuine imitation wood > grain. Awkward in a corner, slow off the line, ugly to look at, unreliable. > (Yeech!) Watch out! I owned a '74 Pinto, sky blue, mags. Tough! Great for college days. I sold it at 153,000 miles. Seats had come off the runners, but it still ran great. Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:44:17 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: sisotowbell lane Brian Symes asks: Where is Sisotowbell Lane was it an imaginary place You can use the search feature of the JMDL site to find answers to many Joni questions. I hope this helps: From http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/951209bb.cfm She generated numerous songs for her newly instituted publishing company, a BMI-administered entity she christened Siquomb. The name stemmed from an acronym-based cast of mythological characters she created for a possible children's book; Siquomb stands for She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind Beauty. The word games carried over into "Sisotowbell Lane," a song on her first album whose title stands for the hopeful maxim "Somehow In Spite Of Trouble Ours Will Be Everlasting Love." Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:56:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: jmdler cars (NJC) Car History. I really like this one: 1957 Chevy BelAir 1966 Chevy Impala convertable 1969 Chevy convertable 1969 Karmann Ghia 1976 Mustang 1979 Concord DL 1984 Hinda SSI 1988 Ford EXP Coupe 1992 Protege LX 1997 Acura CL Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:10:46 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Elections - NJC In a message dated 11/15/00 8:15:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << surely the woman who is going to decide about the recount, Katerin someone, should bos out and leave it to someone else as she has vested interest. This she would HAVE to do here. >> There must be a reason that no matter how big a conflict of interest a Democrat has they are NEVER accused of conflict but any connection a republican has raises all sorts of questions in the minds of certain people. the JUDGE vwho made the decision to allow the recounts is a long-term leftist political activist who has given $19,000 to the Demo campaign. Sits on numerous committees. Hes OK. In fact almost all of the judges in this matter and in fact most of the Election authorities are all Democrat Party Activists. I guess in England, ALL of them would have to recuse themselves. Right. bet on it. Not a bad observation on the face but totally out of information with respect to this matter in Florida Colin. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:21:32 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: cars we drive NJC I have a 93 Ford Explorer (sport), I had an old 73 VW superbeetle convertible FUN car prior to that & before that a (forget the year- old) safe Volvo sedan (with that imitation rolls royce kind of grill on the front) that a mechanic misrepaired & blew up the engine & took no responsibility for doing so. I learned to drive on my Dad's RED! '66 Corvette Stingray (his midlife crisis car). Years later when I drove it I could not believe how hard that thing was to turn (no power steering & a huge front end. But it was fun as a teenager crusing down to the NJ shore with the top down!). I love driving my husband's 540 i? beemer (whoever said its hard to drive them under 70 is right & he has the speeding tickets to prove that) but we are trading it in (hello the monthly payments are equal to some people's mortgage payments!) for a big ol Toyota Tundra truck better suited for these mountain roads than the bmw with its silly low tires. And for the first time ever, we're thinking automatic too! And since I am now accustomed & a little spoiled by the bmw, I am insisting on leather interior! And yeah, here in Southern California gas prices hover close to the $2 a gallon price. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:31:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: politics & philosophy I was born into a Republican family but have always felt like I was born a Democrat! I used to argue all the time with my parents about it. Maybe that is partially why I detest politics. Anyway both my parents changed their errant ways. My Mom came over from the dark side to vote Democratic & my Dad went to Libertarian before he chose Nader this election. But then my sister & her husband went over to the dark side thanks to Rush L. (I tried to watch him once to see what the appeal was but he disgusted me when he made some comment about women that I felt was negative) so I pretty much made up my mind after that. Call me judgemental. Hey you Republicans, I am just attempting to be lighthearted so please don't take this very seriously. To really get serious though I think politics & religion & all of those difficult subjects are very much a yin yang thing. Both sides have a little of the other in them & if you cling to much to one belief (blindly) you become what you accuse the other side of doing (ie you become what you fear). ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:07:35 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: More voting hilarity (NJC) Hey gang, Tongue firmly in cheek, I thought that you'd all enjoy this. Made me scream, anyway :) - --Chris http://www.secure-si.co.uk/voting.jpg (it's about 70k or something) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:15:23 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: dylan jr. joke NJC At a Hollywood party Camille Paglia made a beeline toward the patio, where Cameron Diaz was holding court with the smoking crowd. "Cameron dearest, what sort of cigar are you smoking?" "The Wallflowers", chortled Cameron. "The Wallflowers?" replied Camille, furrowing her brow. "Yes'm," answered Cameron, blowing a smoke ring, "it's a piece of shit with a band wrapped around it." - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:20:04 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: My favorite new snigglet ... (NJC) Well, up until the 2000 election, my favorite snigglet was always: firch: Lint and debris found in empty pockets and navels. But now it's got to be: chad That sounds like the absolute perfect junior-high insult: "Who, Johnson? That guy is like, a total CHAD!" Or later on, in high-school: "Peterson? Dude's a complete geek, a real techno-CHAD!" Come on, sing along, you know the words! ;-) Don Rowe (definitely a joni-chad! or maybe better, a Larry-chad!) ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:53:32 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Re: Janet ....(Was Joni, Xmas CD & Tribute) Garret wrote "really??? was it good? is there an album due out ? i love Janet." To answer your question, yes, it was quite good fun. I don't remember the title of the tune (for some reason I think it's from a movie, but I could be wrong...), but it's one of VH1's newly added videos and there running ads announcing it's arrival. I love Janet too, actually a great deal more than Madonna, which I get flack for. There's something natural about Janet's sense of rhythm and an innert funkiness that Madge is lacking. I've loved it all, from "Control" right through...the "Velvet Rope" CD is AWESOME. If is see it again, which I'm sure I will, I'll report more, but if you've got cable, just throw on VH1 for a while and you're bound to catch it. - -Chris NP:"Don't Leave Me Behind"-Everything But The Girl ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:57:20 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: new music > From: "Kate Bennett" > To: > Cc: > Subject: new music > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:15:38 -0800 > Reply-to: "Kate Bennett" > Emily, > > I am a singer/songwriter always on the look out for new inspiration (Joni > was my first). > > Do you have Patty Griffin? I have heard much about her from other female > singer/songwriters & finally got her first cd Living With Ghosts. WOW. I > can't stop playing it. (I love Aimee Mann too). > > Its pretty much her voice & guitar (the more recent one Flaming Red is a > full production- I have only heard samplets of this one). Patty has elements > of Rickie Lee Jones, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin & Bonnie Raitt in her > music. > > BTW, I love Rickie Lee Jones & don't think she is anything like Joni. Much > less cerebral. The albums others have mentioned are all good. I don't have > her new one yet though. Jonatha Brooke is another wonderful > singer/songwriter as is Patty Larkin. > > And while we are talking about other singer/songwriters, even though he is a > guy, I have 2 words- JOHN GORKA! > > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett Gotta jump in here. The Flaming Red release is a MUST HAVE. She is one of the best "new" artists, even though she's been out there a while. I just got the new Aimee Mann Bachelor No. 2, the Last Remains of the Dodo. That is great also. I have listened to it only once, but I'm gonna go ahead and rank it up there with her first two releases. (check out her website too!) A couple more female artists you may like are Sara Evans' latest release Learning to Fly (I think that's the title). This is good down to earth stuff. She is labled "country" but is more than that. Nina Gordon is a new girl with some real "gritty" good stuff. I purchased it but haven't listened to all of it yet.The title is Tonight and the Rest of My Life. Hope this helps with some new stuff. Mike > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:40:16 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Re: Hole NJC >>>Season of the Witch is a Donovan Leitch song. i think the definitive version of this is Wilco, but Holes is pretty cool too.<<<< hi garret! thanks for the info on this, and for others who have chimed in about hole -- was it mark (sorry, can't remember) who said that celebrity skin was THE album of the nineties? i think i might even concur with that...it's a beautiful record that i listen to over and over. i have great music-in-transit memories of playing it on my discman while i was on the midnight bus to ithaca, watching the miles of dark highway roll by. (oh, the things we do for love!) thanks for the info on the unreleased songs CD. i'm going to look into it. although, first, i need to get pretty on the inside -- can you believe i don't own this? live through this and then CS were so vital and amazing i never felt the need for more. but now i do! this list is such a great resource for music. - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:43:01 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Re: new music hi kate! you wrote: "BTW, I love Rickie Lee Jones & don't think she is anything like Joni. Much less cerebral. The albums others have mentioned are all good. I don't have her new one yet though. Jonatha Brooke is another wonderful singer/songwriter as is Patty Larkin. And while we are talking about other singer/songwriters, even though he is a guy, I have 2 words- JOHN GORKA!" i know of jonatha because a close friend is a rabid freak fan of hers. i have one album of "the story" and really like it. i don't know patty larkin OR john gorka (he of the enthusiastic all-in-caps), but i am adding them to the ever-growing list of things to check out! (some birthday money is definitely going to be put into play!) thanks, kate! - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:19:19 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: What would they do in England again ? (njc) Vote Recount Judge a Gore Donor CNSNews.com Wednesday, Nov. 15, 2000 The head of a Washington legal group says the federal judge who ruled against a request to suspend the hand counting of ballots in Democrat-dominated Florida counties should have recused himself from the case because of a lengthy history of campaign contributions to Democrats, including Bill Clinton and Al Gore. National Legal and Policy Center President Peter Flaherty said a compilation of Federal Election Commission records by the NLPC shows that U.S. District Judge Donald M. Middlebrooks has given more than $19,000 to an array of Democrat candidates for federal office, including $1,000 to Clinton's 1996 re-election effort. "Judges must adhere to high standards of ethics and integrity, even more so when the judge is required to effectively pick the next president of the United States," said Flaherty. "This judge failed to meet these standards." According to the FEC data collected by Flaherty's group and verified by a crosscheck of contribution records, Middlebrooks donated $19,480 to Democrat candidates and committees between 1979 and 1996. The FEC data also show Middlebrooks made a $250 contribution to the National Republican Senatorial Committee in 1996, which Flaherty noted "occurred the year before the Republican-controlled Senate confirmed his appointment by Bill Clinton to the federal bench in 1997." Middlebrooks was the judge who rejected Republican arguments Monday that the hand counting of ballots in four Republican-minority Florida counties was a violation of the Constitution because it did not treat all Florida counties and their voters equally. The hand counts in question amounted to the third tally of ballots in those areas, where Vice President Al Gore won decisive victories in the Nov. 7 election. The Bush campaign is reportedly planning an appeal of Middlebrooks' Monday decision. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:40:08 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: jmdler cars (NJC) In a message dated 11/15/00 8:19:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << Please excuse me while I drool... :) >> Made me remember that I forgot to list one other car that I owned: 1969 E-Type Jaguar. An interesting car, to say the least. Long since sold to pay the rent, buy food and other mundane objects. MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:42:55 MST From: "karla subero" Subject: KeriD (lonely painter) SJC Thanks, Keri! That was really thoughtful of you. Felt like an outsider lookin' in ever since I joined this mailing list. I have yet to check out Don Jaun's Reckless Daughter. Seems to be one of the harder-to-find recordings. I've either found/bought/heard everything else, except for the Joni Mitchell 'Song to a Seagull' album. Needless to say, I just can't get enough of Joni's stuff. My latest obsession is Court & Spark, but Hejira I think will remain my favourite (we'll wait for the results of Don Juan). Thanks for the recommendation! Peace, karla _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:33:59 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: This JUST in (NJC) marcel deste famed san fransisco republican/singer/guitarist/ was seen impregnating ballots in south florida. onlookers report that there WAS NOT full penetration in every case. some ballots were left with the pregnant look without any evidence of penetration. Paz for JMDL News ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:53:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: new music The Story is Jonatha with her former partner (name escapes me at this moment), she has several recent solo albums too... ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** - -----Original Message----- From: Emily Kirk Gray [mailto:ekg200@is5.nyu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 1:43 PM To: Kate Bennett Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: new music hi kate! you wrote: "BTW, I love Rickie Lee Jones & don't think she is anything like Joni. Much less cerebral. The albums others have mentioned are all good. I don't have her new one yet though. Jonatha Brooke is another wonderful singer/songwriter as is Patty Larkin. And while we are talking about other singer/songwriters, even though he is a guy, I have 2 words- JOHN GORKA!" i know of jonatha because a close friend is a rabid freak fan of hers. i have one album of "the story" and really like it. i don't know patty larkin OR john gorka (he of the enthusiastic all-in-caps), but i am adding them to the ever-growing list of things to check out! (some birthday money is definitely going to be put into play!) thanks, kate! - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:37:21 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: jmdler cars NJC Colin, You wrote: >Just bought a Vauxhall Astra 1.7 Turbo Diesel, 5 gears. about 55 to the >gallon. Gee whiz! I wish we had better access to cars with that kind of mileage! Does it go over 40 MPH?:-) I've been driving a Mercury Capri for the last year and a half. I picked it up for driving to and from work (about 80 miles round trip) and it's been the most fun driving! I've never owned a car I fell in love with before, but I can tell you this is my baby. It gets 35 miles to the gallon and has lots of pep with a turbo engine. I love the convertible top more than I ever thought I would. This car handles well and is a blast on the back roads of southern Indiana, where there are lots of hills and ravines giving two-lane blacktops interesting dips and turns. I dream black tires with this one. Of course, the back seat is just a rumor, but most people don't want to drive the back roads with me more than once anyway...:-D Happy trails, Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:43:40 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: new music ideas? NJC Emily, Have you ever heard Anggun? She's a marvelous talent from Java, with a voice reminiscent of Annie Lennox and lyrics that are often visual. I recommend starting with "Snow on the Sahara." Most of the music is in English, with some French and, I think, Indonesian. You can sample her stuff on her website (anggun.com). Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:46:05 EST From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Foni Mitchell live (report) Foni Mitchell headlined at the "Transmission Performance Cabaret" music club in Birmingham UK on Saturday 11th November. (Short) set list as follows: I Had A King Carey California (dedicated to Mel, the Californian MC) You Turn Me On I'm A Radio A Case of You Free Man In Paris Big Yellow Taxi (featuring the audience, who performed the last "Put up a parking lot" line on their own, the band having stopped to let them!) Transmission is a small, intimate (capacity 100ish) monthly music club in the centre of Birmingham. This was FM's first appearance there, and was very well received by the standing-room only audience. It also featured the live debut of Clive's new 5-string custom bass, the bits for which were imported from Washington State. Clive was out when it arrived in three packages, and his long-suffering wife had to part with £150 in duties before the courier would hand it over! Clive has a condition called "GAS" (Guitar Acquisition Syndrome). FM next play on 29th November with sometime Fairporter Vikki Clayton at the Boundary Hotel, Walsall. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:34:06 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Janet ....(Was Joni, Xmas CD & Tribute) Christopher J. Treacy wrote: > > Garret wrote "really??? was it good? is there an album due out ? i > love Janet." > > To answer your question, yes, it was quite good fun. I don't remember > the title of the tune (for some reason I think it's from a movie, but > I could be wrong...), but it's one of VH1's newly added videos and > there running ads announcing it's arrival. The song's called Doesn't Really Matter, and it is indeed from a movie - The Nutty Professor 2, of all things, which she also stars in. It's a pretty neat video, though I still prefer the 80s-style Janet both musically and visually. I had to buy the CD single for a friend in Europe, so the song grew on me eventually. > I love Janet too, actually a great deal more than Madonna, which I get > flack for. There's something natural about Janet's sense of rhythm and > an innert funkiness that Madge is lacking. Do you mean *innate*? Innertia would not easily facilitate funky movement! ;-) > I've loved it all, from "Control" right through...the "Velvet Rope" CD > is AWESOME. Velvet Rope was underrated, especially here in the UK. Sometimes I wish she'd make shorter albums instead of these 70-minute sprawling epics with 12 between-track snippets. Control was 40 minutes of concise perfection. Of course, to be a credible r&b act these days, the 70-minute album is a necessity. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:45:30 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: jmdler cars NJC Diane Evans wrote: > Colin, > > You wrote: > >Just bought a Vauxhall Astra 1.7 Turbo Diesel, 5 gears. about 55 to the > >gallon. > > Gee whiz! I wish we had better access to cars with that kind of mileage! > Does it go over 40 MPH?:-) yes-about 140! But of course we can't do that here. I tend to cruise at about 80 on m'ways. By the way, do you have diesel over there? we also now have liquid petroleum gas which doubles the mpg but it costs about $4000 to convert your car! > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:44:40 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: jmdler cars NJC catman wrote: > > > Does it go over 40 MPH?:-) > > yes-about 140! But of course we can't do that here. I tend to cruise > at about 80 on m'ways. The speed limit on motorways here is 70mph, didn't you know? You're nicked, sunshine :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:58:59 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: "Lesson in survival" I was wondering about this song today.Joni goes to see a friend to tell him her troubles.the friend wasn't helpful.he didn't want to listen to her troubles.what kind of a friend is that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 02:16:32 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: jmdler cars NJC Jason Maloney wrote: > catman wrote: > > > > > Does it go over 40 MPH?:-) > > > > yes-about 140! But of course we can't do that here. I tend to cruise > > at about 80 on m'ways. > > The speed limit on motorways here is 70mph, didn't you know? speed limit? what speed limit? > > > You're nicked, sunshine :-) > > Jason. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 02:21:01 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: "Lesson in survival" Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I was wondering about this song today.Joni goes to see a friend to tell > him her troubles.the friend wasn't helpful.he didn't want to listen to her > troubles.what kind of a friend is that? either not the sort of 'friend' one would want or a friend who had troubles at that point and couldn't listen. bw colin - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 02:30:35 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: jmdler cars NJC > > Gee whiz! I wish we had better access to cars with that kind of mileage! > > Does it go over 40 MPH?:-) > > yes-about 140! But of course we can't do that here. Colin, What did you do to your Astra to make it do 140????? - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 02:35:49 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: jmdler cars NJC Chris Marshall wrote: > > > Gee whiz! I wish we had better access to cars with that kind of mileage! > > > Does it go over 40 MPH?:-) > > > > yes-about 140! But of course we can't do that here. > > Colin, > > What did you do to your Astra to make it do 140????? nothing. It came like that! I haven't tried it out like I said! > > > --Chris - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:48:35 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: "Lesson in survival" It's interesting that you would bring this song up at this time as I've been thinking a lot about it myself lately. I had a friend drop by a couple of weeks ago, a gentleman I know. When he arrived he was happy to see me, beaming, hugging, kissing my cheek. As the visit wore on he began to fill me in on his life of late, as he spoke he became more serious about how lonely he is, how his career as a police officer has affected him (he was shot in the line of duty twice and retired with a disability pension the second time). By the end of our conversation he was talking about having visited a therapist because he's suicidal and doesn't know what to do with himself. He came in as bright as a neon light and he burned out right there before me. This didn't make me a bad friend, I listened, I heard and talked softly to him about the qualities in him that I find appealing. Being a good listener/friend didn't prevent him burning out right before me, it helped him to let go of his emotions and he felt safe enough to display himself to me. I felt honored that he believed in our friendship enough to be himself with me and release his pent-up feelings. I thought a lot about Lessons in Survival after that visit, I firmly believe that the person she burned out before was someone she felt safe with, someone she could discuss her deepest emotions with, someone watching, worrying about her state of mind and buckling their brow in concern for the depth of her apparent despair. We don't show our despair to people we don't trust. Friends are people who we can share ourselves with, good and bad, they accept us as we come, they try to help us even when we are "heavy company." I have a soft spot in my heart for the person she could turn to in desperation and know it was ok to emote. Cassy NP Let the Wind Carry Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:56:20 -0500 From: Heather Subject: Re: This JUST in (NJC) sounds like a case for johnnie cochran .... ;-) heather At 05:33 PM 11/15/00 -0600, Michael Paz wrote: >marcel deste famed san fransisco republican/singer/guitarist/ was seen >impregnating ballots in south florida. onlookers report that there WAS NOT >full penetration in every case. some ballots were left with the pregnant >look without any evidence of penetration. > >Paz >for JMDL News ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #607 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?