From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #606 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 15 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 606 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: thanksgiving meal and childhood faves(njc) ["Diane Evans" ] Re: jmdler cars NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: new music ideas? NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: jmdler cars NJC [Heather ] Re: jmdler cars NJC [Heather ] Re: Notice NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: new music ideas? NJC ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: Notice NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Doing covers ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: new music ideas? NJC [Jason Maloney ] RE: new music ideas? NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: new music ideas? NJC [Jason Maloney ] Re: jmdler cars / randon UK transport rant NJC [Jason Maloney ] thanksgiving food (now Ukrainian cuisine 101) njc [evian ] greetings from Gettysburg, PA ["Janine Sherman" ] muller's priesthood njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:19:35 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: RE: thanksgiving meal and childhood faves(njc) Wally, Regarding bear meat: I grew up in New England, mostly Connecticut and Rhode Island. Uncles and cousins who hunted would sometimes bring back bear meat. I always associated it with Canada, so that's probably where they went hunting those years. I could also readily get bear when I lived in Idaho, but I've never seen it in a market. If you've never had bear meat, try it if you get the opportunity. It is the sweetest, most tender meat I've ever had. I'm delighted you want the brown bread recipe! Here it is: In large bowl mix together: 2 cups graham flour, 2 cups white flour, 2 cups white corn meal, 1 cup sugar, 2 teaspoons baking soda, and 2 teaspoons salt. Make a well in the flour mixture and slowly mix in 1 and 1/2 cups light molasses. In a separate bowl mix together: 1 can evaporated milk (12 ounces), 1 can water (the empty milk can), and 2 tablespoons apple cider vinegar. Make a well in the flour mixture again and gradually add the soured milk concoction. I use a three-pound coffee can to steam the bread in. Make sure the can is greased somewhat lightly with shortening and pour the bread in. Cover tightly with aluminum foil. Put water in a heavy pot and bring to boil. Put the can of bread in the water. It should be checked frequently to keep the water level at about 3/4 the height of the bread can. Here's the hard part: steam for 3 hours! Some of us like it plain, others slather it with butter. It's best warm from the pan but also great when it has cooled. Be sure to keep it well-wrapped after cooling as it dries out. If you try making it, let me know how you like it. My grandmother has 6 children and 20 grandchildren. Out of all of us I'm the only one who has learned her recipes, although all of them clamor for the beans and bread when we make it. It's nice to think someone else might enjoy this tradition!:-) Enjoy! Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:25:50 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: JMDL cars, NJC 12 year old Volvo wagon- the affordable but venerable 240 DL. Don't believe it when someone says that everyone in IT makes good money. :( former car, least favorite: Ford Pinto wagon with genuine imitation wood grain. Awkward in a corner, slow off the line, ugly to look at, unreliable. (Yeech!) former car, MOST favorite: Porsche 914, built in Deutschland by Volkswagen AG. Even though it was more VW than Porsche, it was the nicest handling car..... Mid engine. Exquisite balance and grace through a curve. Slow though. HUGE Tachometer. Fun fun fun. np: Marcel Deste, with featured artists Michael Paz and Steve Mixon. Hello all! Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:39:08 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: jmdler cars NJC > << it's just more FUN to drive a stick! >> > > Can't argue there... > > --Bob > Personally I don't understand this at all. I only learned to drive a stick about 4 or 5 years ago & I don't like it. A lot of hassle & extra effort, imo. Give me an automatic any day. 98 Saturn SL2. We bought it new. Only the 3rd car I have ever owned in my 46 years and the first one I bought new. Although I admit that driving it off the lot after buying it was fun, to me a car is something that gets me where I want to go. It means little more to me than that. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:44:59 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: new music ideas? NJC i've been intrigued > with listers' writing about emmy lou harris (again, with > "red dirt girl," i'd be catching a long-time artist > on the late side, to say the least.) Don't forget 'Wrecking Ball'. An amazing record. I think Emmylou has been on an incredible roll lately. She seems to be at the peak of her care, imo. Wrecking Ball, Spyboy, Western Wall (w/Linda Ronstadt) and Red Dirt Girl are all fantastic. If you haven't looked into Laura Nyro, Emily, I strongly urge you to do so. She's one of the few artists that Joni considered to be a peer. 'Christmas & the Beads of Sweat' is a classic! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:48:04 -0500 From: Heather Subject: Re: jmdler cars NJC I've always owned a standard for the same reasons Lori. I always felt I had more control driving. For the record: (from first to last) 1972 Volkswagon station wagon 411 (this thing handled great in the snow believe it or not) 1979 Chevy Camaro (deep red, mag wheels, 350 V8, 4bbl Harley economaster carb. -this thing could move! I loved this car!) 1988 Honda Accord LX -red 1995 Honda Accord LX wagon - that champagne color Our pet car is a 1983 Mazda RX special edition with 43,000 miles on it Heather At 10:37 AM 11/14/00 -0800, Lori R. Fye wrote: >1) it's just more FUN to drive a stick! >2) if the brakes fail, I can at least gear down >without ruining my transmission, and >3) I so dislike driving behind people who drive cars >with automatic transmissions -- they seem to >constantly be engaging the brake! -- that I refuse to >be one of "them." > >Lori >in DC (who also refuses to run for the train because >it looks so stupid) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! >http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:50:53 -0500 From: Heather Subject: Re: jmdler cars NJC Here in CT,I think we may have the highest rate in the US for gas ..... $1.68/ gal. Heather At 12:03 PM 11/14/00 -0800, Lori R. Fye wrote: >Colin wrote: > > > at $6 per gallon we need to think about that. > >And we gripe because our gas (petrol) is $1.60/gallon. > Methinks we got nuthin' to say. > >Lori >in DC > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! >http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:58:15 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Notice NJC Okay Colin, Here's one for you: Why do the British drink their ale warm? Because their refrigerators are all Made In Britain. Friendly sparing, okay? :) Lama Colin said, > NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE > To the citizens of the United States of America, > In the light of your failure to elect a President of > the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give > notice of the revocation of your Independence, > effective today. > Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume > monarchial duties over all states, commonwealths and > other territories. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:55:13 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: new music ideas? NJC If you haven't heard Suzanne Vega's work in the 90s... pick some up! Start with "Nine Objects of Desire"-- and if you like that-- try "99.9°F". Both are incredible albums by an artst that has done great things since the height of her popularity in the late 80s. Suzanne has proven that she's a great songwriter-- not just an 80s hit maker. ;) eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Mark or Travis Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:45 PM To: Emily Kirk Gray; SCJoniGuy@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: new music ideas? NJC i've been intrigued > with listers' writing about emmy lou harris (again, with > "red dirt girl," i'd be catching a long-time artist > on the late side, to say the least.) Don't forget 'Wrecking Ball'. An amazing record. I think Emmylou has been on an incredible roll lately. She seems to be at the peak of her care, imo. Wrecking Ball, Spyboy, Western Wall (w/Linda Ronstadt) and Red Dirt Girl are all fantastic. If you haven't looked into Laura Nyro, Emily, I strongly urge you to do so. She's one of the few artists that Joni considered to be a peer. 'Christmas & the Beads of Sweat' is a classic! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:01:54 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Notice NJC PS- Colin asked: > 10. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving > us crazy. Well, you know those 3 Democrats in Florida who have ceased control?....... Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:04:32 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Doing covers Favorite Joni covers: 1. CSNY, "Woodstock" 2. Bryan Thomas, "Black Crow" Everyone else is in another tier. IMHO. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:01:51 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: new music ideas? NJC Eric, of course.....Duh! How could I forget? Suzanne Vega's music is an essential part of any collection! Jason. Eric Wilcox wrote: > > If you haven't heard Suzanne Vega's work in the 90s... pick some up! Start > with "Nine Objects of Desire"-- and if you like that-- try "99.9°F". Both > are incredible albums by an artst that has done great things since the > height of her popularity in the late 80s. Suzanne has proven that she's a > great songwriter-- not just an 80s hit maker. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:23:57 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: new music ideas? NJC but of course!!!! suzanne vega!!! laura nyro!!! how could i forget? [rickie lee jones rickie lee jones rickie lee jones] wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:23:59 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: new music ideas? NJC LOL Wally....Flying Cowboys is my fave RLJ album. Very underrated. Jason. Wally Kairuz wrote: > > but of course!!!! suzanne vega!!! laura nyro!!! how could i forget? [rickie > lee jones rickie lee jones rickie lee jones] > wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:29:45 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: jmdler cars / randon UK transport rant NJC A series 7 BMW must be heaven....I have trouble travelling, including by car, because of the vibrations (my nervous system is ultra-sensitive), but the closest to bearable has been my Dad's series 5 saloon. The BMW must have been designed to cruise the motorways, anything under 70 and it feels like you're not moving. It's gotten me places I'd never have managed to get to otherwise (including the January Jonifest at the Troubador!). Jason. Chris Marshall wrote: > > To own up to my own environmental damage: > > BMW 730i - sensible car for pounding up and down the > motorway to client sites. Clients all over the country, > and public transport is a joke to get to a client site > and back in one day. I wouldn't choose anything else > for this sort of motoring: for selfish reasons down > to peace and quiet, comfort and emerging the other end > with my sanity intact. But: 100 dollars to brim the tank. > --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:02:53 EST From: CaliMermeyd@aol.com Subject: Re: new music ideas? NJC I've always loved loved loved Lisa Loeb...but the old CD is the greatest.......Tails is what its called I think (lisa loeb and nine stories) i love dido, which was already mentioned, oh and Paula Coles good, too (if you're looking for only female artists) - -zelda- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:12:04 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #434 Right On Mark in Seattle ... TTT, NRH and C&S ... good choices as well. But then there's always the 'Hejira' thang ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:18:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, Xmas CD & Tribute << As far as the tribute CD is concerned, I'll be very suprised if it's out before the end of the year. >> I agree...and it's very frustrating! To think that Canada, Sweden, and Holland have beaten us to a Joni tribute album! Oh, the shame & horror! BUT we have assembled the 15-CD "Covers" set, so that counts for something! (Volume 12 to be announced soon!) Bob NP: Joni, "Comes Love", Concord CA 5/13/00 PS: Chris, got your package today and the little CD elves are hard at work! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:19:24 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: jmdler cars NJC In a message dated 11/14/00 7:00:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, luvart@snet.net writes: << Here in CT,I think we may have the highest rate in the US for gas ..... $1.68/ gal. >> Oh baby, I don't think so! I'd be thrilled to pay that for gas. When Jeff and I were in Phoenix last week, we nearly drove around for fun using up gas since it was so much cheaper than the Sacramento, CA area's $1.95 and up. My car history has been interesting to say the least: First car: 1963 Chevy Malibu with removable steering wheel 1969 Subaru with removable stick shift 1970 Toyota Corona with variable non=working parts 1970 Volvo 264 wagon with nervous Dalmatian 1985 Yugo, (yes, you read that right) 1987 Hyundai 1985 Volvo GL and finally..... 1997 Subaru Legacy. That being said, I'd rather ride a horse. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:50:39 -0600 From: evian Subject: Stockwell Day and the Canadian election (njc and LONG) Hi Gang, With all the politics talk going on, I thought I would just comment on the upcoming Canadian election. Specifically, I just want to paste in an email I got concerning Stockwell Day, a candidate for Prime Minister. It is scary the support he has garnered. He was in Prince Albert, where I live, this afternoon, giving some talk across the street from where I work. You would not believe the amount of people who attended this speech/fund raiser. I sincerely fear for our furture and our rights with this man on the scene. Anyway, here is the skinny on him: Hi there -Dave Clarke from Edmonton, Alberta writing. I've lived here for > > nearly ten years. Watching Stockwell Day move onto the national stage alarms > > me. Most people I talk to don't think he has a chance of becoming Prime > > Minister. I don't agree. If not this election, what about the next one? > > Voters outside Alberta don't have a sense of who Day is and where he comes > > from. As he woos a national constituency, Mr. Day stresses his fiscal record > > and downplays his social conservatism and evangelical Christian background. > > He has an excellent advisor and spin doctor-Rod Love, Premier Ralph Klein's > > associate for two decades. Mr. Day frequently points to his past record and > > suggests it speak forhim. If you have friends or family living outside > > Alberta, may I suggest that you forward this email so that they may be better > > educated about Mr. Day's past record. > > > (My comments are in brackets.) > > *** > > JUSTICE > > In 1994, Mr. Day advocated the death penalty for teenagers convicted of > > first-degree murder.He has advocated American-style work camps for some young > > offenders. > > > In 1997, he drew condemnation from all political stripes when, in a speech,he > > suggested serial-child killer Clifford Olson should be dealt with by fellow > > prisoners. > > "People like myself say, "Fix the problem. Put him in the general > > (prison)population. The moral prisoners will deal with it in a way which we > > don't have the nerve to do." > > > > *** > > ABORTION > > > > In 1988 Mr. Day said granting greater access to abortion would prompt a rise > > in child abuse. "The thinking is," he said, "if you can cut a child to pieces > > or burn them alive with salt solution while they're still in the womb, what's > > wrong > > with knocking them around a little when they're outside the womb." > > > > (Mr. Day fought hard to have abortion in Alberta de-insured by Medicare.) > > --from the Calgary Herald, June 12, 1995 > > Labor Minister Stockwell Day's comments arising out of the legislature's > > all-Tory community services committee may have provided a defining moment in > > the debate over abortion funding in Alberta. > > The Red Deer Tory, who proudly wears his Christian fundamentalist principles > > on both sleeves, declared Alberta health care should only pay for abortions > > required to save the mother's life. > > > > Asked if that excluded a pregnancy resulting from rape or incest, he did not > > waver, answering that medical necessity is the only grounds he would accept. > > "Women who become pregnant through rape or incest should not qualify for > > government funded abortions unless their pregnancy is life-threatening." > > > > *** > > GAYS > > (Mr. Day, a leading opponent of gay rights, was bitterly opposed to the > > Supreme Court's decision to force Alberta to include homosexuals in its human > > rights act. He tried to get his government to invoke the notwithstanding > > clause to overturn the Supreme Court decision writing protection of gays in > > the human rights code.) > > --Calgary Herald, April 9, 1998 > > "The freedom for homosexuals to choose their lifestyle is there. But when I'm > > asked to legislate, in some way, approval of their choice, then I have a > > problem," he says. "How can I do this without a mandate to alter in public > > policy a centuries-old definition of what a natural family is?" "The > > homosexual issue is a real source of concern because they don't know how far > > it's going to go," Day says. "There is a concern, yet to be determined, that > > it can't be stopped. These type of unknowns have people alarmed. > > "The same people who don't want to see homosexuality in their sex education > > curriculum and same people who don't want to see gay parades in their city > > also say people shouldn't be fired just because they're homosexual. > > You know what? People miss this, but people are not being fired because they > > are homosexual." > > "Homosexuality is a mental disorder that can be cured by counselling." He has > > said homosexuality is "not condoned by God" and maintains being gay is a > > matter of choice. > > > > *** > > --The Edmonton Journal, August 16, 1997 > > Alberta Treasurer Stockwell Day wants the Red Deer museum to return $10,000 in > > lotteries money because it is doing a study on gays. "We all make mistakes and > > they made a mistake in pursuing a project which purports to reflect the sexual > > choices of one per cent of the population," Day said in an interview. > > Some statistics suggest between four to 10 per cent of the general population > > is homosexual. > > > > *** > > (Mr. Day was appointed minister of family and social services in 1996.For > > several years he enforced an unwritten policy not to approve "non-traditional > > families" for adoption.) > > *** > > EDUCATION > > From 1979-85, Day was administrator of the "Bentley > > Christian Training Centre"-an independent school of 100 students and six > > teachers run by the Bentley Christian Centre, a fundamentalist Pentecostal > > church, 25 kilometres northwest of Red Deer. The Bentley Christian School > > taught the Accelerated Christian Education (ACE) curriculum. The ACE program > > was American-based and was rooted in a literal interpretation of the Bible. It > > taught creationism over evolution, for example. > > > > A 1985 government audit of the general curriculum concluded ACE students were > > rarely called upon to be creative, original or critical. The auditors were > > concerned the program created "a degree of insensitivity towards blacks, Jews > > and natives." In newspaper articles at the time, Day vigorously denied the > > curriculum was bigoted in any way. > > "God's law is clear," an angry Day told Alberta Report in 1984."Standards of > > education are not set by government, but by God, the Bible, the home and the > > school." Day refused in an interview recently to say if he still believes > > that. > > > > *** > > South MLA Victor Doerksen created a stir when he called on the government to > > remove all books from Alberta's school curriculum that demean God or Jesus > > Christ. He produced the award-winning novel Of Mice and Men as a novel he > > considers unacceptable. The book was brought to his attention by a Wetaskiwin > > man who was unsuccessful in getting it banned from schools. Doerksen > > introduced a petition from 881 Albertans wanting all education literature > > removed that is intolerant of religion, and profanes the name of God or Jesus > > Christ. Labor Minister Stockwell Day, MLA for Red Deer North, supported the > > move. > > > > (This happened in the middle of the national Freedom to Read Week,1996) > > > > *** > > DEMOCRACY > > (Mr. Day's sneering, high-handed behaviour in the Legislature is well-known > > to Albertans who have attended a sitting. The Alberta Legislature has a sad > > history of limiting debate, too much to go into here. The recent Bill 11 > > Private Healthcare Bill was just the latest example. Here's an editorial > > from 1995's Edmonton Journal.) > > > > So Stockwell Day is fantasizing "in kind of a blue-sky way" about cancelling > > the fall sitting of the legislature. > > The government house leader knows that too much democracy is a dangerous > > thing. "The longer we're in here, the temptation is too great to come up with > > more laws and more regulation," he says. Even if the Conservatives > > resist the urge to work, Day believes the Liberals will fill up the empty > > hours with yelling. Those pests. His ears hurt. He wants to go home. > > Why not shut down the legislature altogether, Mr. Day? The Alberta taxpayer > > would save $15,000 for every day the door was locked. The new dictatorship > > would never have to listen to questions, answer questions or debate public > > concerns. The opposition would not exist. It would be so quiet in Alberta, > > wouldn't it? You could go home to Red Deer North, and stay there, and never > > come back. Think of it. > > > > *** > > HEALTHCARE > > (Mr. Day was part of the Alberta Cabinet that decided to cut the Health Care > > Budget by over 30% while at the same time hiking up "premiums" so that "fees" > > paid by individuals to government were made to cover all the actual costs > > without resorting to any tax funds what so ever.) > > CULTURE > > -Ottawa Citizen, June 8, 2000 > > "Stockwell Day added he would eventually end all taxpayer financing of CBC > > television and eliminate all cultural subsidies to all cultural institutions > > and individuals." > > > > *** > > OTHER TIDBITS > > When elected in Red Deer North in 1986, Mr. Day made an evangelical-style > > speech that made explicit his literal believe in the Bible. Mr.Day is a > > Creationist. > > In 1987, he raised the hackles of women's groups when he disputed a poll > > indicating one million women had been abused physically, emotionally, sexually > > or economically. > > Mr. Day was appointed minister of labour in 1992. He made Alberta's minimum > > wage the lowest in the country. > > He has called official bilingualism an "irritant" and questioned the > > effectiveness of sex education in the schools."There is a growing body of > > literature suggesting that, as sex education becomes more comprehensive, there > > is a corresponding increase in sexual activity." > > (In fact, the opposite is true. Canada has one of the lowest teen pregnancy > > rates in the west) > > > > *** > > (All these quotes are available online. If you need citations, just drop me > > a line - stancat@email.com . Here's a few > > Stockwell links) > > > > Hellfire, neo-Nazis and Stockwell Day > > http://www.vue.ab.ca/archive02.html > > http://www.vue.ab.ca/archive02.html> > > The man who shouldn't be prime minister > > http://home.dencity.com/valleycouncil/dobbin.txt > > > > http://cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/columns/rebick/rebick000628.html > > http://cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/columns/rebick/rebick000628.html> > Sorry for the long email. Evian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:05:24 -0600 From: evian Subject: new music ideas (now Hole) njc > it is great to meet another Hole fan on the list! Live > Through This was one of those albums for me. > Make it 3 -- Hole is one of my alltime favorite bands, ever. I play Celebrity Skin more than any other cd I own. I NEVER get tired of it! Hole fans, check out the Hole website and download your asses off!!!!! And dear sweet slutty Bob, get your ass to the store and get Celebrity Skin, for the love of God... I didn't think they would ever top Live Through This, but IMHO, CS is THE album of the 90's -- over Nevermind, OK Computer, et al. And "Boys on the Radio" shoulda been a single! Evian npimh: "Northern Star" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:23:08 -0600 From: evian Subject: thanksgiving food (now Ukrainian cuisine 101) njc Hey again kids, I posted this from my yahoo addy at work today but I guess it didn't bounce on the list. Anyway, being the good Ukrainian son that I am, I just gotta say that perogies are called... hmmm.. how the hell would you spell it... "pedaheh" and cabbage rolls are "holobchi" --- however the hell you spell 'em, I don't know. Believe me, I grew up on the stuff, because my Dad's family was from "the Old Country" (he was the first child in the family born in Canada -- his brothers were born in the old country). Perogies were a staple every time we went to see my Dad's family in Alberta, but I admit that I only like the potato/cheese variety. The sauerkraut and cottage cheese ones make me vomit. As for cabbage rolls, I like the traditional Ukrainian ones, the small ones, but my non-Ukrainian mother makes the best ones (and I can make them pretty good too, to toot my own horn!). We make them nice and big (huge actually), with lots of meat and bacon in them, and then cooked in a sweet and sour sauce -- might sound gross, but hot damn... I'll bring em to next Jonifest! I also must admit that I don't really like "Traditional" borsht, the meatless kind. I also make a mean borsht, but have meat in mine, and I avoid the sour cream like the plague -- I think it ruins it. Also, I know that some people eat it cold, which makes me shudder to think of. We also used to enjoy a variation of the perogie, pronounced *almost* like pedaheh, but it was called "pedaSCHeh" and was made out of bread, stuffed with cottage cheese and dill, soaked in cream, and then fried in butter or something like that. Basically, it was like a dill-ish perogie but was made out of actual bread instead of dough. And to this day, whenever someone in the family goes to Alberta, we take orders on who wants rings of kubasa from Mundare, my Dad's hometown -- in other words, the unlucky traveler goes home with a garlic-smelling trunk. Anyway, I am sure I rattled on about Ukrainian food for much too long! Oh, and for the record, I always avoided "studenants" (no idea how to spell it, but it always sounded like that) which I am pretty sure was head cheese. Anyway, I'll shut up now! Evian np: "Alibis" -- Sergio Mendes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:26:44 -0600 From: evian Subject: jmdler's cars njc I drive a 2000 Ford Focus, and I am EXTREMELY jealous of Kerry's RAV 4 since that is my dream vehicle, but I was just too damn cheap and now I am regretting it now that winter is here.... sigh... Ok, I'll quit posting now, or at least try, Evian np: still Sergio "Alibis" -- anyone else remember this song? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:40:52 -0500 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: greetings from Gettysburg, PA Out of lurkdom I have come...... if Les (thanks again) set me straight here, this should actually go through. Hello to everyone on the jmdl and thanks for all the insights on every imaginable topic. I find the posts most enlightening and enjoy reading them when time allows. A big thanks to SCJoniguy for all the fantastic, gorgeously labeled CD's and to Ashara for the awesome video tapes. I can hardly put them down. It is wonderful to find others who also appreciate Joni's artistry, music, and contributions. Hey to Lori F, fellow Buckeye, how could two transplanted Joniphiles be born in the same hospital? Many threads leave me scratching my head, and I know this is late (I tried before, honest) but I just have to list my fave ivory tickler: Bruce Hornsby. If you ever have the chance to see him in a small venue and you wanna dance on stage? Go on down- he'll let you, after he climbs on top of the Baby Grand with his accordion! That's the Way It Is!!!!! I can't believe that many of you have actually held audience with La Mitchell. I am envious. I think I would faint. My best to all and keep up the lively banter- it is good for the nervous system. Oh yeah- I'm a 48 year old Cancer, live in Gettysburg, have three daughters, and drive a Graphite Blue Sable wagon with a 6 CD changer loaded with guess who??????? I have been a teacher for a quarter of a century. Please help me with the NJC tag stuff and other list etiquette. Did anyone watch SNL's coverage of the election impasse? Hilarious! Well goodnight all -hoping to maintain my heart, humor, and humility in future postings. If this doesn't come through, all of those will soon be tested. Janine (pronounced ja neen) like Garfolio. NP:Everything For Nothing NRH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:45:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: muller's priesthood njc am i still in time to send you blossom dearie's both sides now? you know, it's GROOVY. i was wondering, can i record the track on my hard disk and then send it to you as FILE?????? wallyK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. BUT we have assembled the 15-CD "Covers" set, so that counts for something! (Volume 12 to be announced soon!) Bob NP: Joni, "Comes Love", Concord CA 5/13/00 PS: Chris, got your package today and the little CD elves are hard at work! :~) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #606 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?