From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #587 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 587 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC - Ages, anyone? ["Diane Evans" ] HAPPY DAY, JONI! ["Lori R. Fye" ] happy songs njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Oh So Sad Songs NJC [catman ] video tree question [jp ] fortune cookies NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] NJC storms [catman ] Conjoined Twins NJC [catman ] NJC- Birthday Wish ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] maybe I'll go to Amsterdam.maybe I'll go to Rome... [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: happy songs njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Birthday, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Today in MY Joni history [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Great & Sad Songs NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Birthday Wishes ["Linda Montelione" ] Happy Birthday from the UK [Fonimitchell@aol.com] Muggles NJC ["kerry" ] Happy Birthday! [Penny ] Re: AGES (NJC) [CaliMermeyd@aol.com] US Prez Election - NJC [Penny ] RE: AGES (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: AGES (NJC) [CaliMermeyd@aol.com] Re: taxation without representation NJC [BarBearUh ] Happy Birthday! ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: fortune cookies NJC ["Hell" ] Re: maybe I'll go to Amsterdam.maybe I'll go to Rome...NJC ["Hell" ] Re: Great & Sad Songs ["cassy" ] RE: fortune cookies NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: rickie lee jones (was songs that evoke emotion, Beach Boys NJC) and non-partisan thoughts on voting ["patrick le] Re: fortune cookies NJC [mags ] WWOOOOPPPS! NJC ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] RE: fortune cookies NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] i'm proud to be american [db.ireland@usa.net] 5 jubilant songs NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: i'm proud to be american [Relayer211@aol.com] Emotional Songs SJC ["Madell S" ] Re: fortune cookies NJC ["Hell" ] Re: fortune cookies NJC ["Hell" ] Re: i'm proud to be american ["cassy" ] Evocative songs--late entry ["Patrick Willoughby" ] JMDL Artist Update: Bryan Thomas ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: songs that make me sad or that touch me SJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: more birthdays ["Kakki" ] Re: Great & Sad Songs NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: taxation without representation NJC ["Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC - Ages, anyone? Lori, You began: >Nancy also asked: > > > Anyone know if list members represent a particular > > age group? I'm just curious. :-) And answered: >I usually enjoy a poll, and will even volunteer to >track this one if anyone's interested in >participating! > > >Give it up, y'all! How old are you? > >Lori, 42, >in DC Okay, I'll play. 47. It's not the age that bothers me, it's the aging. Aching knees in Bloomington (Indiana) Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:26:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: HAPPY DAY, JONI! Just wanted to get this in before the digests close for the day ... HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JONI! And thank you for everything your artistry has brought to my life (and you know, there may be more). Lori in DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:45:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: happy songs njc that is sooooooooooooo right!!!!!! i love ''walking on sunshine''! do you think the cd is still available? wallyk - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de SCJoniGuy@aol.com Enviado el: Martes, 07 de Noviembre de 2000 02:09 p.m. Para: scam1@freeway.net CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: VOTE (njc), sad and happy songs, someone's b-day!! <> That would be Katrina & The Waves...the whole record is actually good, but not as good as that song! I remember being at the beach and when the radio played it, I had to pop up and start dancing in the sand! Shades of Beach Blanket Bingo! :~) Bob NP: U2, "A Day Without Me" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 22:50:55 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Oh So Sad Songs NJC > > the song does make me cry too. It's just in the last couple of years it > rings so freakin' true. But I can still laugh at the memory of that > show as well. It is a soapy type song-especially when the angles start singing-but for all that it gets to me. > > > Peace > Susan > > P.S For the age monitor, I was born 7/25/57 - you do the math! I still > have trouble saying it out loud. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:10:12 +0200 From: jp Subject: video tree question hi, i have a question to the "video tree people": i am in europe but i'm able to play both the european PAL and the U.S. format. i would like to get the one with better quality. i am thinking that the PAL version is probably converted from the U.S. and there might be loss in quality. so is there a difference? - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:57:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: fortune cookies NJC i'm not sure, brian, but it must be something SEXUAL... did i ever tell you all about this chinese restaurant where all the fortune cookies have insulting messages? for example, once someone got'' you'll never amount to anything!'' wallyk, yes only 15, duck! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. "It is better to have a hen tomorrow than an egg today." Does this mean that it's better to have a breast for tomorrow's lunch than an omelette for tonight's dinner? I'm so confused ;-) Back to the pressure cooker here :-( Brian nc: 15 more nights :-))> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 23:06:31 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC storms Well the storms and rain have not let up. 29 rivers have flooded. Major cities are under water. Thousands of people evacuated. No end in sight-more rain and wind until at least next week. Trains are all but stood still-poor maintanence(stupid sods should never have privatised), broken tracks casuing crashes and death, now the floods. Fuel is about to become a BIG issue again. people panic buying petrol. USA not too popular either-with all the election coverage(they don't seem to rrealise how important this is world wise) and also because USA has done little to reduce CO2 emissions. But then we have scientists arguing over whether or not the weather is just a natural cycle or freeaked out becuase of CO2 emissions. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 23:09:19 +0000 From: catman Subject: Conjoined Twins NJC Jodi and Mary, conjoined twins, were operated upon today by court order as their parents were against the operation. The operation to separate them was performed knowing that Mary would not survive. The babies would have died naturally if left to nature. Jodi will probably die anyway. Mary was killed to give her sister a chance or life. By court order. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 03:21:47 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC- Birthday Wish Happy Birthday Joni!! As the bald-headed American poet / detective Kojak would say, WHO LOVE YA BABY???? XOXOXO JIM your computer nerd boy-toy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:28:55 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: maybe I'll go to Amsterdam.maybe I'll go to Rome... I'm just wondering where I should move to if bush should win... anyway...HAPPY BIRTHDAY JONI!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:41:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: happy songs njc << that is sooooooooooooo right!!!!!! i love ''walking on sunshine''! do you think the cd is still available? >> I'm sure it is, either on the original album ("Katrina & The Waves") or on some "Best of the 80's" compilation. Kimberley Rew was the guitarist in that band, a great talent who was at one point a "Soft Boy" with Robyn Hitchcock if memory serves me right... Bob NP: Nina Simone, "Let It Be Me" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 03:45:55 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Birthday, NJC Well, when I was a senior in high school? Like, the Watergate hearings were on in the library? And, like, instead of going to study hall? You could, like GO TO WATCH TV? And I was like, HOW TOUGH! So I went? So that makes me, like, 44 and a half? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:46:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in MY Joni history << What other JMDLer's were at that concert? >> Like you said, Jimmy, this SLUT was there, and what a day in MY Joni history! A group of us JMDL'ers met up with Joni back at the hotel lounge, hung out and chatted with her, had photos made (thanks again Pearl)...what a night. I'll never forget holding her hand during the photo and thinking about all the great work that hand had created! I also remember talking to her about "Both Sides Now" as she sang it that night, the only time she sang it on the tour. She said she was thinking of re-doing it with an orchestra as part of her next project which was going to be an album of standards. Pretty cool to look back on it now! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:50:54 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Great & Sad Songs NJC << "Brighter Days" by Kenny Loggins. >> The Loggins & Messina album that came from, "Mother Lode", is easily one of my top ten desert island discs. Kakki, now that I know this is in your repertoire I'm commissioning a performance by you at the next Fest! :~) Steve Mixon, you're drafted for the mandolin part! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:56:15 -0500 From: "Linda Montelione" Subject: Birthday Wishes Hello all! I've been out of touch for a while but felt compelled to check in on this special day. Dearest Joni, On your 57th birthday -- Wishing you happiness, health and continued creativity, which we all so much appreciate! Love, Linda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:12:35 EST From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Happy Birthday from the UK Happy Birthday Joni. Thank you for years of great music and for inspiring the five of us in our band - a modest tribute to you. We play this Saturday and will dedicate the show to you. Much love, Foni Mitchell. England. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:52:58 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Muggles NJC Hi Colin, I did read the first Harry Potter and I love the term, "muggles" referring to people without magic or imagination - just like a lot of politicians! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:17:03 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: Happy Birthday! Joan, U da bomb! In my very best out of tune voice, Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you...... Penny NP TV Gore just predicted winner of Florida's 25 EC votes! ;-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:33:10 EST From: CaliMermeyd@aol.com Subject: Re: AGES (NJC) In a message dated 11/7/2000 4:47:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << << I was also wondering what the age group here was? I'm 20..(soon to be legal enough to toss a few back).. >> <> Hey all, I'm 16, barely old enough to drive! Yeah, I guess I'm the new "baby" of the group. =) i've always been a sort of "hippie kid" most certainly born at the wrong time, and everyone I know knows that. it must be hard , karla, to find people with similar tastes in music, but imagine my trouble! - -zelda- -and not to be considered inferior due to her age i hope!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:42:29 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: US Prez Election - NJC Hi y'all! This campaign year seemed particularly aggressive to me. The one thing that stood out, that I don't remember happening before, were all the "celebrity" phone calls (taped, of course) asking for a candidate's support. I probaby only answered the phone half of the time in the past couple of weeks, and these calls don't trip our answering machine, (so unless you answer you don't know who may have called) but I heard from Robert Redford and Al Gore in the past few days. A neighbor, a registered Republican, got calls from Elizabeth Dole and Arnold Schwarzenegger. While many of us in the States are waching the returns, anybody want to share who's called them? ;-) Penny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:57:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: AGES (NJC) hey zelda!!!!!! you're 16? is that legal? wallyk, turning 40 in a month and 20 days - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de CaliMermeyd@aol.com Enviado el: Martes, 07 de Noviembre de 2000 10:33 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: AGES (NJC) Hey all, I'm 16, barely old enough to drive! - -zelda- -and not to be considered inferior due to her age i hope!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:03:30 EST From: CaliMermeyd@aol.com Subject: Re: AGES (NJC) In a message dated 11/7/2000 5:57:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << hey zelda!!!!!! you're 16? is that legal? >> it's not legal for a great many things, but for what specifically were you talking about???? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:44:41 -0500 From: BarBearUh Subject: Re: taxation without representation NJC short break for a plug before i get back to voting stuff... "you don't know what i got" (the film i edited featuring ani difranco that some listers recently saw in NY) will be playing at the Old Greenbelt Theatre in Maryland this sunday (near beltsville, btwn baltimore & DC). if you're interested in the details, email me privately. michael w yarbrough wrote: > > For the record, DC has 3 electoral votes, the equivalent of the smallest > states (AK, the Dakotas, VT, MT, et al) thanks for filling me in! i feel better now. i don't understand how we got three with only one shadow rep, though. i guess they pretended we have senators. > > --Michael, predicting a squeaker Gore electoral college victory and > perhaps a slight popular vote loss as good a call as any! Kakki wrote: > > I'm not familiar with this at all but am interested in learning more details > about it. (Getting interested in government and politics again after about > a 20 year period of personal apathy and revulsion). i personally pray that bush is not elected. about 2 years after reagan was put in office, i stopped reading the newspaper 'cause he put me in a bad mood on a daily basis. i don't want to be so disengaged again. today i was working on a documentary about iraq and i had to watch a lot of bush sr footage, which really got on my nerves. there's just something creepy about those bushes. anyhow, i diverge... > Why did the so-called > Founding Fathers set it up this way in the beginning? maybe michael can come to my rescue again? i'm sure he's got this down better than i do. this may be a real botch job, but this is what i remember from the last time i read about it. initially, the city of DC had different boundaries - part of it was in virginia, part in maryland. the "district" part of it was all fed (there's definitely some stuff in the constitution about it, but i unfortunately don't remember that part). later, when the boundaries moved, i think we still voted in the other states. in the early 70s, "home rule" was determined, as the surrounding states weren't doing much for us. > What options or > recourse do the DC'ers have to champion their position? not a whole lot, as we don't have representation with clout to get the issue on the table. a couple of years ago, there was a movement to bring a suit against the fed based on the unconstitutional state of affairs - i don't know if that's still alive. there have been attempts at gaining statehood, and we do have a local statehood party (now joined with the green party). their current strategy is to educate the nation about our situation. a friend of mine is making a documentary on the subject, which is being used as a teaching tool in high schools locally, and they hope eventually, nationally. we just got new license plates with the slogan "taxation without representation". there is hope that if the nation becomes more aware of the situation that we'd have a better chance of becoming a state. > Other than > competition, what are the Republicans' official policy stance on this issue? can't honestly answer that question. it's a little fly buzzing around that they need not pay attention to. and the dems certainly aren't falling over each other to help us either - it's not an issue that concerns their constituents and it just doesn't end up high on anyone's priority list. > Kakki, far from the east coast and DC thanks again for the electorate info - i made some friends on line voting tonight by really knowing how it works! barbara np: youssou n'dour, joko ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:50:39 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Happy Birthday! To the greatest singer/songwriter on the planet: Thank you for all the music. Thank you for all the inspiration. Thank you for remaining true to yourself. Thank you for expressing so many of my innermost thoughts & feelings in such a beautiful way. Thank you for caring enough to maintain such a high standard of excellence. Thank you for your courage & perseverance. Thank you for enriching my life. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JONI! With love, respect & admiration, Mark (Scott) in Seattle (Shoreline) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 16:08:58 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: fortune cookies NJC wallk wrote: > i'm not sure, brian, but it must be something SEXUAL... > did i ever tell you all about this chinese restaurant where all the fortune > cookies have insulting messages? for example, once someone got'' you'll > never amount to anything!'' And this also came up in "The Big Chill" when they were discussing fortune cookies - someone mentioned a fortune exactly the same as the one above. Also mentioned was "Friendship is the bread of life - but money is the honey"! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 16:11:02 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: maybe I'll go to Amsterdam.maybe I'll go to Rome...NJC Relayer wrote: > I'm just wondering where I should move to if bush should win... I suggest ALL the US jmdlers move to New Zealand, specifically Auckland. Our politicians are no better than anywhere else (sexual scandals, drink-driving convictions, fraud) but it's summy and warm in the summer, and it would be a lot more convenient for me to attend Jonifests. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:24:01 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Rickie on The Election... I'm not sending this to you for any other reason than I thought it was interesting. It's an article RLJ wrote about the 'state of the nation,' and I found it to be surprisingly interesting; when you get used to hearing people 'sing stories' we often forget that they may, in fact, not BE the stories they're singing, but merely projecting a stage persona. That said, I found the writing to be articulate and pointed. I'll be seeing the evidence of liver damage live on Dec. 6th. I am watching a bad movie on the vaginal network - TV is just as addictive as everything else. They had a VH! Behind The Music marathon this afternoon, and I caught 5 of them. Cheers! -Chris. (article is pasted in below). In 1996 the American People showed the Republican party, in an unprecedented act of self-determination, that no amount of propaganda could actually effectively dissuade them when the time came to elect a president. After four years of innuendo, outright persecution of 'potential' witnesses, intimidation and ridicule of a standing president, and outright contempt for the American people, the Republicans were put, quite firmly, in their place by a vote of outstanding faith in a president that the opposing party had all but eviscerated. Faith we did not give wholeheartedly, but gave nonetheless, because the Republicans had behaved badly, and had no one worthwhile of their own to offer, and because, when it came right down to it, things were, after all, a lot better than they were four years before. In fact, things were getting pretty damn good. The mood of the country was up. People were working. People could buy homes, and the poor were not as poor. Parks were being protected. Dignity was being served. So. The next four years saw special funding by private interest groups of persecutors (yes, not prosecutors) and the additional spending of millions and millions of dollars - dollars that could have created a few more school programs, could have fed many thousands of hungry American children, given medicine to babies, built some roads, funded a few research grants, improved the horrendous conditions of many S.S.I housing units (these are special cheap apartments for the handicapped and unwed mothers, elderly people and poor families, my brother lives in one), and maybe had enough left over to buy lunch for everybody in Olympia, Washington on Christmas and New Years and Thanksgiving for the entire four-year term - to continue this personal attack on this president who, for some reason, really pissed them off. They corrupted the general policy of daily papers, at least an unspoken policy, I thought, not to print pornography, by dangling the disgusting details of President Clinton's disgusting sexual behavior for all of them to have access to and then to print, and then for the country to read in its leisure, which, to its shame, it did. People laughed at the embarrassment it felt for him, and for themselves at having their own country come to this petty and destructive politic. Bad playground behavior, who of us would teach our children to point the finger and laugh? And yet, we were being encouraged to do just that. This is not Christian, this is not nice, this is not ethical, where in our social etiquette did we learn to kick 'em when he's down? But he would not go down. And after that first week, he was still standing, and the next month, and you know what, the next month, too. And when the people began to tire of the republican onslaught, the republicans threw more, here is someone new, here is an even more insipid allegation, and it would fly for a few weeks, and the Americans tossed it aside. They grew weary. Their love of Watching, from too many years behind a television set, came back on them with a vengeance. They realized they were being taken advantage of. That in the end, this guy had done a great job in the office. That all his sex was his business, that he hurt no one, that all his accusers were as guilty as him. And after all the money and slander, not one allegation stuck. NOT ONE. The rhetoric Bush tries to throw now, that Gore stands in the shadow of Clinton, it cannot fly either. Gore should stand proudly in the shadow of Clinton. His mealy-mouthed behavior of wanting to take credit but not wanting to take the heat is his worse trait. But the fact is, no matter what personality deficits these men have, the point of it is -- what are they going to do? There is no contest here. Bush is a bumbling, inarticulate, undereducated good-old boy. The NRA has stated that if Bush was elected, they (the NRA) will work out of his office. I want you to tell this everywhere you go. I want every mother or every grandmother who watches her child walk into the school with the slight sliver of fear that he may not walk out again, because the NRA will not support the ban of automatic weapons in America, to raise her voice loud this week. Bush talks about leaks.The old life style which he blows off now, is not to be taken so lightly. He dismisses his alcoholism and his criminal record as the folly of his youth. Would he excuse the "youth" of east LA and south Texas as well? Is the behavior of gang-bangers to be considered less seriously because they are youth? Would it be OK, then, if Al Gore smoked a little pot and got busted when he was 30, would the Governor of Texas forgive that? Is that your message, Mr. Bush? Rather liberal, I should think. Bush gets found out, and then he says, hey, I'm just like you, I make mistakes. A bit condescending? Well, I think his credibility is suspect. Is it as low as it should be? Who is running this propaganda, anyway? The entire Democratic tenure was besieged by leaks created by Republicans, yet they have the audacity to complain about "timely leaks"? Really! There is a growing misrepresentation of the meaning of capitalism in our country. The idea that every single person has the opportunity to make something of themselves is mutating into the single-celled aberration that every single person has the right -- even responsibility -- to be opportunistic, that money is the crown, and that what we say it is is what it is simply because we are rich and we say so. An educated oil man, Bush says we don't know all the facts about global warming...' in order to protect the interests of the companies destroying the planet right now as we sit in our little rooms in front of our little computers, in order to blow off doing something about it for another four years. The rest of the world is counting on our participation in a world agreement to stop pollution. Right now, if Bush is elected, American will not sign that agreement. The sun is seeping through a hole in the ozone above the arctic about the size of Greenland. For the first time in known history there are melting glaciers in the arctic, and in our own lifetimes we are watching whole eastern coastlines being washed away by an ever-rising sea, rising on both sides, because the ice is melting, because the planet is warming faster than anyone could have anticipated. It is easy to stop. But will the oil companies accept a fiscal loss rather than destroy much or all of the world we have known? Will they squeeze, until the last possible minute, every dime they can out of what's left of the environment? If Bush is elected you will see the European communities' resentment of America return in spades. Bush will wave the proverbial flag in a parade of rhetoric that will only exasperate torn and barely mended relations. Bush will give the great frontier of Alaska to oil, because these people have no love of land, of beauty, of animals. They see these things as child's-play, and they see money and profit as the game of adults, of boys. What do they care about trees, polar bears, music in schools, safe streets for those of us who don't drive around in limos everywhere, health care for people who don't have the money to buy groceries, let alone get a tooth fixed. And this, friends, is the truth. You could take them for a walk on the cliffs of Big Sur, and they would talk about it's potential as a development for oil or mining. They would not see the sea, or the horizon, or the great ancient trees. You could take them to a school and they would say, what programs will create the most money for us, not , what programs will enrich the lives of these children, because individuals matter. When individuals matter, the culture thrives, educated people mean nonviolent people. As long as they are undereducated, we can focus our money and efforts on programs that will see immediate fiscal returns. The republicans, you will remember, said children don't need to sing, they don't need to draw, and they don't need any lunch, either. Not on our dime. This is the Republican way. We are, after all, just a tribe who has gotten a little ahead of itself. I know we have not forgotten that our lives depend on our sustaining the planet we live on. The exchange of money is all well and good, but what good are these toys if our children are killers, our sky is deadly, and our men are waving their spears at - US? Because that is what their greed is doing. It is poised and aimed at the American people. So, though we are discouraged, we cannot turn away from this very crucial moment in history. If the republicans win, it means that their four years - -- no -- eight years of intimidation and mudslinging paid off. We can't let that happen. We have to fight for the truth of things. This is not a personality contest, who cares if Gore is boring. He is the only choice politically. Nader cannot win, and his presence is a blessing for these cynical boys from Texas. Do not let this good time make you forget how horrible it was when Reagan was president. Tell it, talk about it. This should be no contest. Don't let people who are voting on a whim, like "I like Bush because Gore is boring...", be the lucky ones whose voices are heard. The Republicans are counting on the more liberal and freethinking people being so disillusioned in the political process that they do not vote, or they waste their votes on people who could not win, and would not really be prepared for the office, anyway. That, of course, was their intention all along. They have nearly destroyed all trust in the democratic process. So, then, it's just a little while before the process will be eliminated, isn't it? RICKIE LEE JONES singer, mother, American ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:28:38 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: Great & Sad Songs For me, when talking about songs that bring a lump to my throat... I have to mention: Natalie Merchant's CD "Tiger Lily" (an awesome piece of work) and in particular two of the songs on it, "Beloved Wife" and "River" (about the shabby way the press treated River Phoenix's death). Eric Clapton's "Tears in Heaven" written allegedly for his dead son. Del Amitri's "Driving with the Brakes On" from the CD "Twisted"about a young man driving his girlfriend home from an abortion. This brings a catch to my throat just thinking about it. Elton John... "First Episode at Hienton," "Sixty Years On," "The Greatest Discovery" all from "Elton John" still one of my favorite releases by anyone, ever. And of course, Joni's new treatment of "Both Sides Now." I am stunned at how it continues to bring me to tears after so many spins. I will never forget the first time I heard it and the impact it had on my emotions... empathizing, being older now myself, with the perspective of the narrative. Still shy with my then-new-to-be husband I tried to hide my tears, wondering what the hell he was going to think of me being brought to such a sobbing state by "a song." Looking back over the last 9 months I can't believe how foolish that fear was having seen him at a concert of one of his favorite musicians with tears in HIS eyes, realizing now that he understood, perfectly, the rip-tides of music. There are more... but these came to mind immediately. Cassy NP: Elton John "The King Must Die" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 00:38:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: fortune cookies NJC so you mean my friends saw it in a movie and lied to me?!?!?!?!?! they wouldn't! [i thought it was such a neat story, though... hey, wait! maybe the big chill fortune cookie story is based on a true incident! nah, i'm gullible all right.] wallyK, disappointed in humankind - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Hell Enviado el: Miércoles, 08 de Noviembre de 2000 12:09 a.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; Brian Gross; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: fortune cookies NJC wallk wrote: > i'm not sure, brian, but it must be something SEXUAL... > did i ever tell you all about this chinese restaurant where all the fortune > cookies have insulting messages? for example, once someone got'' you'll > never amount to anything!'' And this also came up in "The Big Chill" when they were discussing fortune cookies - someone mentioned a fortune exactly the same as the one above. Also mentioned was "Friendship is the bread of life - but money is the honey"! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:40:37 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: rickie lee jones (was songs that evoke emotion, Beach Boys NJC) and non-partisan thoughts on voting mark, that fuzzy bear, wrote: > >I believe that would be Rickie Lee Jones. Some of you on the list may >be interested to know that I finally broke down after 20 years and >bought my first two RLJ cds. count me among those 'interested to know'! i may have had something to do with this, as i've been pushing rickie lee in mark's direction, for a while. i'm on line again, slogging through tons of email, in my new space, with the phenomenal voice of miss eva cassidy comforting me. reading political commentary from the last couple of days, agreeing with its rightness on the list (when labelled correctly), but happy not to participate. happy i voted. it's really a special experience in new york city; with the huge immigrant population. people land here, they settle, eventually they've been here long enough to attain citizenship, and when they vote you can just feel their joy. the precincts were crowded this morning, with a glorious mixture of folks, and it made me very very happy. god knows, i'm nervous about the results, but i'm really happy that we have a choice. patrick, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 22:58:47 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: fortune cookies NJC Wally Kairuz wrote: > so you mean my friends saw it in a movie and lied to me?!?!?!?!?! they > wouldn't! [i thought it was such a neat story, though... hey, wait! maybe > the big chill fortune cookie story is based on a true incident! nah, i'm > gullible all right.] > wallyK, disappointed in humankind and mags adds: speaking of good fortune...if we lived in New Zealand, then Brian would be able to say only 14 more nights. ;) > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Hell > Enviado el: Miércoles, 08 de Noviembre de 2000 12:09 a.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz; Brian Gross; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: fortune cookies NJC > > wallk wrote: > > > i'm not sure, brian, but it must be something SEXUAL... > > did i ever tell you all about this chinese restaurant where all the > fortune > > cookies have insulting messages? for example, once someone got'' you'll > > never amount to anything!'' > > And this also came up in "The Big Chill" when they were discussing fortune > cookies - someone mentioned a fortune exactly the same as the one above. > Also mentioned was "Friendship is the bread of life - but money is the > honey"! > > Hell > ____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:03:16 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: WWOOOOPPPS! NJC Oy Vasmir, I made a boo-boo. The post I (inadvertently) sent to the list (of Rickie's election views) was meant to be sent to my dad. I'm sure the letter was of interest to some, but my opening comments about 'the vaginal network' (that would be Lifetime), and Liver Damage (referring to the fact that he's always chalked Rickie up to being a fairly untalented drunk) were meant for him, not you guys; too late! Perhaps a few of you might find humor in my sending him this on election night; I certainly got a chuckle out of it! He and I get along just fine about everything, except politics. Sorry to air my personal life on the list. Cheers! -Chris. PS: Happy Birthday Joni, and Thank You for your creative genius. Many healthy returns! ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 01:11:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: fortune cookies NJC i know mags, but then you would have waited one more day originally. wallyK, trying to play stephen hawking here - -----Mensaje original----- De: mags [mailto:pholden@iprimus.ca] Enviado el: Miércoles, 08 de Noviembre de 2000 01:59 a.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org; Brian Gross Asunto: Re: fortune cookies NJC and mags adds: speaking of good fortune...if we lived in New Zealand, then Brian would be able to say only 14 more nights. ;) ------------------------------ Date: 7 Nov 00 21:19:23 MST From: db.ireland@usa.net Subject: i'm proud to be american WEll, today was the first time I exercised my american right to vote and it felt damn good! I'm not really into politics or anything but in the last few weeks I payed attention and I'm so glad I did because I was very confident in my decision. I'm so glad I've joined this group too because I'm learning about other people's favorites that are similar to mine...you guys are great! Peace as always....Danielle ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:21:41 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: 5 jubilant songs NJC Although I could cite the entire B side of Bette Midler's eponymous second album, from Optimistic Voices all the way through to the end, it's the final cut 'Your Love Is Lifting Me Higher' that does just that - keeps on liftin' me higher! Laura Nyro w/LaBelle's version of 'Dancin' In the Streets' fairly bursts with joy and makes me want to move. 'Brown Earth', another Laura Nyro from 'Christmas and the Beads of Sweat' also gives me that feel-good feeling. Although it's a torcher, Barbra Streisand's rendition of 'When the Sun Comes Out' makes me high every time I hear it. Everytime I play Carly's 'You're So Vain' I end up cranking it up and singing gleefully along at the top of my lungs. Great hook, great song! Ok, 6 jubilant songs. When Judy Garland tells her audience 'We've got one more. We'll do 'Chicago' and then launches into a scintillating rendition after pouring every ounce of her body & soul into stunning performances of the 24 songs that preceded it, I get goose bumps and want to shout along with the audience when she's done. Mark in Seattle (so Michael Y., can you tell I'm a big OLD queer?? LOL!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:30:27 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: i'm proud to be american well,whatever happens,at least Hillary won! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 04:33:51 GMT From: "Madell S" Subject: Emotional Songs SJC Songs that always stir up emotions in me for different reasons: Joni- Amelia, River & The Circle Game John Lennon- Imagine Simon & Garfunkel- Bookends Shawn Colvin- If I Were Brave Anne Lister- Icarus Mary Chapin Carpenter- Where Time Stands Still and John Doe #24(for all those interested, a book was published recently that gives an account of John's life. It's called "God Knows His Name: The True Story of John Doe No. 24". Written by David Bakke. Very interesting read and highly recommended) Indigo Girls- Love's Recovery Sarah McLachlan- Angel Natalie Merchant- Beloved Wife "Somewhere over the Rainbow" - As sung by Eva Cassidy - -Madeline, age 17 NP: MSNBC Election Coverage _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 18:03:24 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: fortune cookies NJC wallyk wrote: >so you mean my friends saw it in a movie and lied to me?!?!?!?!?! they >wouldn't! [i thought it was such a neat story, though... hey, wait! maybe >the big chill fortune cookie story is based on a true incident! nah, i'm >gullible all right.] Maybe the writers of the Big Chill got it from your friends! Stranger things have happened - like me joining a gym, all fired up to get fit for summer, and suddenly realising today that the second monthly payment has come out of my account, and I've only been once...... Tomorrow, definitely tomorrow. Or maybe Friday? Hell - kidding myself ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 18:05:04 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: fortune cookies NJC Yeah, and it's rainy and stormy and horrid here at the moment. Definitely not "gym" weather. Hell - off to get ready to out for a drink (the gym can definitely wait) ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: Wally Kairuz To: mags ; ; Brian Gross Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 5:11 PM Subject: RE: fortune cookies NJC i know mags, but then you would have waited one more day originally. wallyK, trying to play stephen hawking here - -----Mensaje original----- De: mags [mailto:pholden@iprimus.ca] Enviado el: Miércoles, 08 de Noviembre de 2000 01:59 a.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org; Brian Gross Asunto: Re: fortune cookies NJC and mags adds: speaking of good fortune...if we lived in New Zealand, then Brian would be able to say only 14 more nights. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 00:25:16 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: i'm proud to be american Relayer211@aol.com Said: "well,whatever happens,at least Hillary won!" Be afraid... be very afraid... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:46:11 -0800 From: "Patrick Willoughby" Subject: Evocative songs--late entry I guess those of us that get the blues once in awhile get comfort from blue-tinted compositions, for instance (in no particular order): Jane Siberry - The Walking Rosanne Cash - Just Don't Talk About It Al di Meola - On My Own Patty Larkin - When the Heavens Light Up Pat Metheny and Lyle Mays - Daulton Lee Pat Metheny Group - Minuano (Six - Eight) Mary Chapin Carpenter - Rhythm of the Blues Joni Mitchell - Cherokee Louise & Magdalene Laundries ("Celtic" version from Chieftains "Tears of Stone") Not much rain here yet, Patrick in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:58:08 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: JMDL Artist Update: Bryan Thomas Bry-Bry has a two video clips on his web site. He says on the site that he had "a budget of about $50 for expenses such as blank tapes, lipstick, nail polish, and pizza." :) As always with Bryan, the new one is a departure and that's all I'll say! It's a song called "Be". I can't wait to hear it properly on CD. Your cub reporter (at 45?), Jim L'Hommedieu Oh yeah, www.bryanthomas.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 03:37:17 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: songs that make me sad or that touch me SJC not including opera or lieder: joni: little green, silky veils of ardor, last time i saw richard, hejira, cactus tree [as sung on MOA], a lot more. peter yarrow: the wings of time [though i still can't make out what he says] mary hopkin: the game pickettywitch: like a sad old kind of movie the carpenters: sometimes carole king: i think i can hear you, changes rickie lee jones: practically everything! astrud gilberto: wanting things charly garcia: cuando ya me empiece a quedar solo carly simon: his friends are more than fond of robin, sons of summer don mclean: vincent, and i love you so beatles: eleanor rigby, julia, the fool on the hill and there's a lot more because i'm the melancholy type. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 03:41:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: more birthdays NJC today's rickie lee jones's 46th birthday. rickie, we love you!!!!!! and today's michael bird's birthday too, jonilister and a true scorpio like joni. BEST WISHES MICHAEL!!!!!!!!!! HAVE A HAPPY LIFE! wallyK, and the birthday greeting gang ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:05:21 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: more birthdays Wally wrote: > today's rickie lee jones's 46th birthday. rickie, we love >you!!!!!! Whoa - Rickie Lee, too! > and today's michael bird's birthday too, jonilister and a true >scorpio like joni. Nickel Chief! Our own wonderful Jonilista! Hope you have a good one! And a happy fffffffing birthday to dear Joni as we all put on our party hats and cheer her! Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:11:30 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Great & Sad Songs NJC Bob wrote: > << "Brighter Days" by Kenny Loggins. >> > > The Loggins & Messina album that came from, "Mother >Lode", is easily one of my top ten desert island discs. ME, TOO! > Kakki, now that I know this is in your repertoire I'm >commissioning a performance by you at the next Fest! :~) Ach! No matter how many times I've played and sung it somehow I still sound pathetic next to Kenny's rendition. I'm sure at least a few of my tears came from not being able to replicate Kenny ;-) It is not an easy song to sing - at least the way it should be. > Steve Mixon, you're drafted for the mandolin part! But if anyone can help me, it would definitely be Steve Mixon on the mandolin. ;-) Kakki, glad she held off selling the L&M songbook on ebay with a few of the others. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:26:05 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: taxation without representation NJC Barbara wrote: > > Why did the so-called > > Founding Fathers set it up this way in the beginning? > maybe michael can come to my rescue again? i'm sure >he's got this down better than i do. this may be a real botch >job, but this is what i remember from the last time i read >about it. initially, the city of DC had different boundaries - >part of it was in virginia, part in maryland. the "district" part >of it was all fed (there's definitely some stuff in the >constitution about it, but i unfortunately don't remember that >part). later, when the boundaries moved, i think we still >voted in the other states. in the early 70s, "home rule" was >determined, as the surrounding states weren't doing much >for us. I asked a friend and all he could recall was that they wanted it to remain "neutral" in the beginning. For some reason, that makes me think of a type of Vatican state! I always thought it was a strange thing and wondered why the adjoining states could not absorb parts of it. It's got to change and I'm sure it will - the theory of keeping it somehow apart is too anachronistic. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #587 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?