From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #581 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 4 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 581 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The intellectuality of Joni's lyrics [Marian ] Re: The intellectuality of Joni's lyrics [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Curfew (njc) [catman ] Re: Spoiler:politics(NJC) [catman ] Re: Rock stars and requests (SJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: NJC Assumptions ["C.A. Starkey" ] Re: Spoiler:politics(NJC) [Deb Messling ] Re: Fred and Victor CDs for sale(NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] Cooder ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: 5 Songs that invoke emotions (NJC) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Rock Stars and their backstage requests NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] The intellectuality of Joni's Lyrics and evoking emotions ["Happy The Man] Re: Rock Stars and their backstage requests NJC [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: 5 Songs that invoke emotions (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] 5 favorite consciousness alterers (njc at all) [Brian Gross ] Re: Spoiler:politics(NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: 5 songs that invoke emotions (NJC) [Marian ] TNT "All-Star Tribute To Joni Mitchell" [Steven Barton ] Re: Can Nader Win? NJC for US citizens only (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Fwd: Political - Quote of the Day [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Too Sad To Sing All The Way Through, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: 5 greatest tuba players NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The intellectuality of Joni's lyrics ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: 5 Songs that invoke emotions (NJC) [jan gyn ] More...njc ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Favorite Arrangers / Producers ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 06:17:24 +0100 From: Marian Subject: Re: The intellectuality of Joni's lyrics P.S. I looked through the Lyrics book and found four songs which have made me cry when I heard or sang them: Hejira, Chinese Cafe, Night Ride Home and Cherokee Louise, so I guess what I said before is not entirely true. I also find Last Chance Lost quite emotional, at least in its delivery. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 03:39:03 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: The intellectuality of Joni's lyrics Joni songs that invariably cause me to weep: Cold Blue Steel Little Green Amelia Facelift River Other songs that make me cry: "At Seventeen" Janis Ian "(I Feel) Just Like You Do" Carly Simon "Yesterday" - Beatles "For All We Know" - Donny Hathaway "Ave Maria" - Tuck Andress "His Eye Is On the Sparrow" - My Mom's version "Lover Man" - Billie Holliday - -Julius, who can cry you a river to skate away on at the drop of a disc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 09:41:28 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Curfew (njc) Thanks for answering. They have been talking about bruinging in such a law here to combat child crime etc. Personally, I just don't understand how people can allow there children to be out alone at night anyway! Where I used to live very young children were always out on their own. Here where I am now, it happens too, but not so much. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 09:44:16 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Spoiler:politics(NJC) Kakki wrote: > colin wrote: > > > Some stupid sod here was moaning about the coverage we >are giving to the > USA election. Maybe they live in a box with >no windows. I hope the one who > didn't get into college >despite low grades wins-it'll be safer for us > > all. > > At the risk of being unpopular in some circles around here, I must tell you > not to take to heart everything that some of the press screams out to work > people up. I saw a recnet documentary here on Bush, made by an American. That is where I heard the stuff that worried me. Thanks for telling me ho that he won't have as much power as has been said. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 06:23:02 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock stars and requests (SJC) Someone posted:- > As far as Joni is concerned, the only thing I can relate is this; During the BSN tour, Joni was booked to stay at The Seaport Hotel (my place of employment, but not at the time) in Boston, a non-smoking establishment with no openable windows. To my knowledge, Joni's contract states that wherever she stays MUST allow smoking, and if it does not, a window should be available (inferring that she will smoke against house policy). Though I wasn't there personally (I only started at this job in july...), Ms. Mitchell was apparently in a huff from the get go because of the lack of an openable window, but then came the problem with the chicken. Joni wants a baked chicken for her din-din, not fried, not grilled, but baked. When a grilled chicken was delivered to her room, that was the last straw. By the time one of my room service cohorts got back up to the 18th floor with a baked chicken, Joni was already set-a-packing, heading full speed to The Four Seasons. Can ya' blame 'er? The Seaport Hotel is located just a few minutes walk from the Fleet Boston Pavillion (former "Harborlights"), and must have seemed like a good idea to whomever booked the room. I now have to endure hearing about what a bitch Joni was every time she comes up at work....> Ouch! This hurts. Do you realise Ashara, Maggie and all, that if it hadn't been for some idiot grilling the chicken instead of baking it, we could have been sharing the bar with Joni as well as Larry Kline after the BSN show? Also Re Marmite. I have this for breakfast most days and although it looks and smells beefy it doesn't contain beef, only vegetable extracts. The beef containing one is Bovril but that's suffered a loss in sales here due to the BSE crisis. Shame because I used to love it. Jacky NP Paul Simon... You're the One ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 19:31:16 -0500 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Re: NJC Assumptions Glad to hear that Rev.! :) Sorry to stereotype, but everytime I see something on tv or in a magazine or newspaper from clergy talking about abortion they are always anti-women's rights. I just assumed that you were pro-life.......Glad to hear otherwise. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 06:34:48 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Spoiler:politics(NJC) If Bush wins, and if the GOP retains control of Congress, it will be the first time in many of our lifetimes that the Repubs controlled the Presidency AND the Congress. As scary as Reagan was, he was stymied in some of his initiatives because the Dems held the House in those days. Who will hold back Bush? Just for some historical perspective, the last time the Repubs controlled the legislative and executive branches was THE MCCARTHY ERA. At 09:27 PM 11/3/00 -0800, you wrote: >world. People's rights are not taken arbitrarilt taken away on a whim of >who gets to be president. The president does not have total dictatorial >power over everyone in the country - his ideal function is to "preside", >hence the root of his title. The Congress and the Legislative Branch (the >law) really make most of the actual decisions in this country. Even if you >get people on the Supreme Court who are "conservative" that doesn't mean >everything is set in stone forever. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 07:14:14 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Fred and Victor CDs for sale(NJC) > Okay Fred and Victor! I've looked at > www.cdnow.com and www.cdbaby.com where I've had success buying CDs made by > JMDLers Kate Bennett, David Lahm, and Bryan Thomas. Prey, tell. Where can > I purchase your discs? You can purchase my disc "Tangled" by going to CD-Now or by sending a check for $12.00 to Victor Johnson Way to Blue Music P.O. Box 5673 Atlanta, Georgia 31107 cheers, Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:18:11 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: The intellectuality of Joni's lyrics JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Joni songs that invariably cause me to weep: > > Cold Blue Steel > Little Green > Amelia > Facelift > River > > Other songs that make me cry: > > "At Seventeen" Janis Ian > "(I Feel) Just Like You Do" Carly Simon > "Yesterday" - Beatles > "For All We Know" - Donny Hathaway > "Ave Maria" - Tuck Andress > "His Eye Is On the Sparrow" - My Mom's version > "Lover Man" - Billie Holliday > > -Julius, > who can cry you a river to skate away on at the drop of a disc and from Mags who also cries rivers: first Joni: Little Green River Case of You The Magdalene Laundries Not to Blame The Sire of Sorrow (Jobs Sad Song) 45 Years: Stan Rogers Always: Jonatha Brooke Ce He Mise Le Ulaingt? The Two Trees: Loreena McKennitt All I Want is You: U2 Lover Lay Down: Dave Matthews/Tim Reynolds - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 10:02:45 EST From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Cooder Get Paradise and Lunch and Chicken Skin music if you can by ry cooder!! blair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:05:01 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: 5 Songs that invoke emotions (NJC) Forgiveness, reconciliation and kindness move me deeply. In books, the ending of DOMBEY AND SON, A PRAYER FOR OWEN MEANY. In holidays, Christmas. In songs, Ellington's COME SUNDAY. Anyone know it? David Lahm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:04:55 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Stars and their backstage requests NJC In a message dated 11/3/00 7:11:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I was reading our local rag this morning which had an article of Peter > Frampton's Oh god! I remember him. 70's wank fodder! beautiful with long hair. >> Hi Colin, Hell keeps me brushed up on my Kiwi slang, and John Lowe informs me of the Aussie slang, so now you'll have to help me out with this British phrase. What the heck is a "wank fodder" ? Jimmy np: Michael Paz and Marcel Deste "Chinese Cafe" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:20:33 -0800 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: The intellectuality of Joni's Lyrics and evoking emotions It depends on the situation. Some songs just due to my station in life make we weep like a blubbering idiot. It makes my wife laugh she is always saying you know that is impressive that a man 6'7" can cry like that (I am not asking for sympathy here). Probably for me when a Joni song made be weep was when Jody Denberg played "Both Sides Now" before the release and dedicated it to Wally. All the emotion of the moment was tied to that. "I looked at life from Both Side Now" had me weeping in my car. I would call "River" a good crying song (especially now since central texas is about to wash away). All this to say some songs that others cry about I don't and vice a versa. Peace, Craig NP: Lisa Loeb "How" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:44:43 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Stars and their backstage requests NJC In a message dated 11/4/00 10:17:39 AM EST, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << What the heck is a "wank fodder" ? >> i think it has to do with causing some people to hold their bears. p np. cartoons ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:47:16 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: 5 Songs that invoke emotions (NJC) > Forgiveness, reconciliation and kindness move me deeply. In books, the > ending of DOMBEY AND SON, A PRAYER FOR OWEN MEANY. In holidays, Christmas. > In songs, Ellington's COME SUNDAY. Anyone know it? Don't know it but by some odd coincidence, I had just put on Buffet's COME MONDAY, one of his more moving songs, and one of my favorite Buffet songs. Victor NP: Jimmy Buffet Come Monday ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:00:03 -0000 From: "alan larson" Subject: Re: 5 Songs that invoke emotions (NJC) brother can you spare a dime, judy collins' cover in particular too late for prayin, gordon lightfoot if i had a rocket launcher, bruce cockburn kindness and someday soon, david wilcox circle game, last but not least that's the easy part, beth neilson chapman love and affection, joan armatrading invitation to the blues, tom waits there is a breeze, michael johnson my opening farewell, jackson browne ok, so i can't count... alan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 16:19:33 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Rock Stars and their backstage requests NJC > > What the heck is a "wank fodder" ? pictures you look at whilst....figure it out! > > > Jimmy > np: Michael Paz and Marcel Deste "Chinese Cafe" - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:21:47 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: larsen There's at least one release of the Larsen/Feiten Band from 1980. No Rickie vocals though. Produced by Tommy Lipuma from Michael Franks fame. Stephe in Vancouver "Wally Kairuz" on 11/03/2000 04:42:39 PM Please respond to "Wally Kairuz" To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com, joni@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: larsen VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe bob, and he plays on girl at her volcano! i didn't know that he'd recorded on his own too. thanks for the tip!!!! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Enviado el: Viernes, 03 de Noviembre de 2000 02:51 p.m. Para: KakkiB@worldnet.att.net; wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Favorite pianists/keyboardists SJC Neil Larsen put out two mighty fine records back in the 80's that I enjoyed immensely, "Jungle Fever" and "High Gear". RLJ did some vocal work on the latter, very similar ethereal thing like what Joni did on the Brian Blade record this year. I never knew what the connection was between Neil & RLJ, so that makes sense now! Bob NP: Traffic, "No Face, No Name, No Number" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:36:46 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: 5 favorite consciousness alterers (njc at all) Thought I'd give the '5 favorite' thread a bit of a twist! 1. Nice weed in a corncob pipe (don't forget the screen) 2. Chivas Regal on the rocks 3. Absolut and diet coke (keeps the calories down!) 4. Old Grandad (Kentucky bourbon - hi Jim) on the rocks 5. A well placed finger or two (or three) later, Brian nw: the history channel - the crash ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:51:44 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: tuba players njc In a message dated 11/3/00 7:19:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes: << I too love Ingvar Hallerstehl! Been a big fan of his since he was with the Terwilligar 5. However, to name him in your top 5 is a little hasty, don't you think? >> Evian, You might have a point about Hallersteh making my top 5, but just like some of Joni's songs, my favorites can change from day to day. You must admit however, that Ingvar has had a huge impact on the sudden popularity of the tuba. It was just five years ago that Hallersteh started his long-term research project into the analysis of vocalized tuba tones with the specific aim of developing a scientific basis for further composition work with the tuba in electro-acoustic music. Recently I read an article in the biweekly magazine "Teau Baa World", which hails Hallersteh as one of the most influential tuba players of our time. He was quoted in the article "Life ain't worth living without my Tuba!" When I saw him in concert last year in the amphitheater here in Ochopee, Florida, he gave the performance of a lifetime. In the middle of one of his more tempo allegro numbers, Hallersteh had cracked his instrument. There was not a single pause in the song, as the third chair player came to his rescue with a *Tuba Glue*. Evian, I'm glad we had this conversation and I respect your opinion and knowledge of the tuba. I apologize to my fellow listers for the use of bandwidth, since many of you don't even know what's a tuba for. I'll tell you! It's 1 1/2" by 3 1/2" unless you request "full cut." Happy Saturday everyone! Jimmy :~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 12:58:02 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: [Mike's Message] US Politics NJC NJC NJC dsk wrote: > Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > ....Let us continue to keep > > the JMDL Bush and Gore free until at least next Wednesday. > > Next Wednesday is too late to start talking about it. That was the point. Jerry np: Judy Garland - Porgy and Bess medley ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:43:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The intellectuality of Joni's lyrics << Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? >> From Joni's canon: 1. River (the dam bursts on "I made my baby cry, I made my baby say goodbye". This is indeed the magic of Joni - she didn't write this song for me but I feel like she did!) 2. Little Green (knowing what's behind the lyrics) 3. Circle Game (watching my baby boy grow up too fast) NJC: 1. Somewhere (West Side Story) 2. One Hand, One Heart (same show, and RLJ and Joe Jackson's duet on her new one is simply beautiful!) Bob NP: Ingvar Hallerstehl, "Tuba-ler Bells" ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:21:38 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: Re: 5 greatest tuba players NJC >this is hard for me to just keep it to five, >but I'll try >Ingvar Hallerstehl >Dave Ihlenfeld >Melvin Poore >tie between Joseph D. Terwilliger and R. Wiley Evans Jimmy, I'm so bummed my 2nd cousin, Andrew Hoefle, didn't make your list! What, don't you like jazz tuba or something? ;-) Hey Bob, you don't happen to have a boot of Andy's jazz clinic "Bebop for the bass cleff", do you? ;-) Happy Saturday to all of you too! Penny PS Has anyone else popped in the family name in their search engines? Some good - some way scarey! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:49:42 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Spoiler:politics(NJC) Deb wrote: > If Bush wins, and if the GOP retains control of Congress, it will be the > first time in many of our lifetimes that the Repubs controlled the > Presidency AND the Congress. As scary as Reagan was, he was stymied in > some of his initiatives because the Dems held the House in those days. Who > will hold back Bush? But isn't that all speculative? "What if this, what if that?" People have a vote, which is more direct (unlike the Electoral College)when it comes to voting for members of Congress. Colin made a statement to the effect that he feared our human rights would be taken away if Bush got elected. My point is that the U.S. system has not only built-in checks and balances, but also a multitude of "watchdog" and advocacy groups that are always right on any Govenmental actions that may be going in the wrong direction. The laws and progressive legislation of the past 40 years is not going to be overturned in one fell swoop. It just is not going to happen on the Federal level. Historically, the U.S. evolves and moves forward and ultimately tends to learn from past mistakes or wrongs. > Just for some historical perspective, the last time the Repubs controlled > the legislative and executive branches was THE MCCARTHY ERA. In truth, there's bad things that have happened from decisions from both ends of the political spectrum throughout the history of the U.S. One of the positive aspects of the two-party system is that it provides a balance, perhaps imperfect, but we are a large, lumbering and diverse country and there is no way we will ever achieve perfection. My extended family contains both Democrats and Republicans, mostly Democrats. Depending on which part of the U.S. they live in, one who is a Democrat can sound more like a Republican and vice versa. Two of my aunts, one on either side, have this tradition of arguing politics over the phone every Sunday night. It always degenerates into "Look at what did!" and "Well, that was nothing compared to what did!" and they go on to recite the same laundry list of events that happened 50-60 years ago! All the ranting is probably good in some ways, it can be fun and keeps the two sisters in touch and gets the blood going, but it's not exactly a reasonable and objective dialogue that leads to any productive end. They are just ranting at each other and neither one will ever convince the other of anything. But that's kind of the American way, I guess ;-) Kakki NP: Larsen/Feiten Band - Danger Zone (gawd, I haven't played this one in 20 years - thanks to the list discussion I cracked it out of the archives ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:33:29 +0100 From: Marian Subject: Re: 5 songs that invoke emotions (NJC) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > 2. One Hand, One Heart (same show, and RLJ > and Joe Jackson's duet on her new > one is simply beautiful!) We are singing this song in choir now and it's very beautiful. A couple of other songs that make burst into tears are: Shenandoah Somewhere Over The Rainbow Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 12:26:18 -0800 From: Steven Barton Subject: TNT "All-Star Tribute To Joni Mitchell" And I am offering the musical selections only on CD to those who still need a copy. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 03:08:15 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Too Sad To Sing All The Way Through, NJC "Walk Away Renee" by the Left Banke I found this single a few months ago but I've only put it on the turntable twice. It's like dropping a piano on a hand. This is from a different song- by Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) from "The Final Cut". "If I..... open my heart to you, show you my weak side what would ya do? Would ya sell your story to Rolling Stone? Would ya send the children away and leave me alone?....... Would ya send me packing? Or would ya take me home?" Obviously, in my life, she sent me packing. But that was a long, long time ago. But I still can't sing along to "Walk Away Renee". Maybe this thread is too sad to pursue. Too sad to join. Too sad to send...... Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:05:59 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Spoiler:politics(NJC) (md) In a message dated 11/4/00 12:13:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << Just for some historical perspective, the last time the Repubs controlled > the legislative and executive branches was THE MCCARTHY ERA. >> The republicans controlled the House and the White House during the Reagan era. I dont recall children taken from their relatives in the middle of the night with an M-16 stuck in their face and shipped off to Cuba. Especially without due process or a valid search warrant. I dont recall 83 adults surrounded by special forces on US soil and have tanks crash through their private property creating a circumstance that burned them alive. We wait weeks to free those hostage on an air liner. Stuff like that didnt happen during the McCarthy Era. It happened during the Clinton Era. In the MCCarthy Era we actually tried to FIND spies in our government. In the Clinton era spies were invited to a coffee at the White House to contribute money to Clinton-Gore 96. Party favors at that those Clinton-Gore "outreach" events were given goodie bags of laptops from the Department of Defense filled with MIRV warhead design specs as souveniers. My how times have changed. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:10:48 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: 5 Songs that invoke emotions (NJC) (md) 1) Taps Traditional 2) Red Dirt Girl Emmylou Harris 3) No Regrets Emmylou Harris song by Tom Rush 4) Ira Hayes Patric Sky 5) Jupiter Symphony Mozart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 20:46:42 +0100 From: Marian Subject: Re: 5 OTHER guitarists (NJC) On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:25:17 -0600 "Michael Paz" wrote: > Marian Russell (who re-inspired me back to my guitar) Wow, Michael - I didn't know I did that! All I can say is, it has been a good thing for the Joni community that you were reinspired, since you are such an excellent guitarist - you really have a fine touch and I love listening to your contributions on the Jonifest recordings. Love, Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:48:01 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Can Nader Win? NJC for US citizens only (md) In a message dated 11/3/00 7:42:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << Nader can't win but Gore can lose.>>> Should we outlaw 3rd parties so as not to disturb the monopoly?? <<>> All kinds of "choice" is at stake. The choice for poor people to send their children to private schools. The choice to associate with whoever you want. To hire who you want. Tho Vote for who you want. To choose which doctor you can go to. To choose when you can have elective surgery. To choose to keep more of the money you earn as opposed to having it absconded by the government. The choice to leave your decades old farm or small business to your children. The choice of which laws of ethics or morals your children are exposed to. I could go on but the bottom line is liberal judges like Clinton appointees want to take away all the other choices leaving only the choice for ONE parent to decide whether to keep a child or not. As for civil, liberties ask Elian Gonzalez who is now in a brainwashing school (not with his loving father) getting drugs with his cookies and milk. Im not so hot for more secret deals purposefully kept from Congressional oversight. <<>> Right now Al Gore has a zinc mine poluting the river in his own property. A toxic dump on another piece of property he owns has been left alone by the Clinton EPA. He has adamantly refused to have closed a toxic smelter in Ohio (I believe) simply because he thinks it will hurt his donor base. He has supported Occidental petroleums ransacking the sacred land of South American Indians. His book on the environment is filled with junk science. HE, no one else, is responsible for $2.50 cent per gallon fuel and if he wins fule will cost $6,87 like it does in Europe. AND your electric bill will be $400 a month. Thats an environmentally sensetive President ? <<>> The economy has been steadily growing ever since Reagan convinced a Democratic majority in the House and Senate to cut tax rates in 1982. The economy languished until the republicans took over congress in 1994 and undid the Democrats legislated recession of 1989-90. You want continued growth, vote Bush and the Republicans. Gores bogus energy policies (which are solely responsible for higher fuel costs) have begun to stop the economic growth cycle. get the government out of the way just like Reagan did in 1981. <<>> Al Gore voted for (I repeat FOR) Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. So there goes that theory. <<>> Its a good thing this happened otherwise Ferraros mafia linked husband would have had all kinds of freebies as all of Clintons Arkansas-mafia related insiders eventually got. So insider pillaging was postponed for four years. That was a good thing not a bad thing. Except for ferraros husbands mafia frieds. <<>> We need MORE political parties not less. <<>> Congress will temper any Supreme Court nominee. people forget that ONLY Clinton disregards courts and Congressional oversight. So this is a red herring if there ever was one. Sandra day Occonnor and Souter were Reagan Nominees. Some threat. <<>> Campaign finance "reform". what a joke. You have just seen the single greatest violation of any and all campaign finance laws by selling the lincoln bedroom for $250,000 a night, $150,000 fleecing for seats on trips on trade missions anmd weekends at Camp david and rides on Air Force One., Hillary using the whitehouse and $100,000 weekend guest visits for Senate Campaign donor events, 125 million dollars of taxpayer money to send 2500 Democrat donors on Presidential "missions" overseas over the last eight years. Eggregious violations of existing laws in using 1 millio dollars of taxpayer funds just to produce the databas eHillary is now using for her senate campaign fundraising. Believe it or not there are actually laws against this and to violate one is a felony BUT Bill and Hill chose to ignore, and Janet Stonewall Reno didnt prosecute. "Reform" today is to outlaw corporate gifts and leave labor unions free to donate as much as they want. A true canard. A laughable concept. <<>> See above <<>> Why would Gore change something that hampers HIS finace related activities. It seems clear that we would continue to have all of the above continue unabated. So a vote for Gore is a vote to perpetuate rampant violation of the EXISTING campaign finance laws while at the same time allowing massive violation of laws that Gore doenst believe apply to him. throw in a lapdog press that defends and covers up such activities as opposed to a "vigilant" press which hounds republicans on 24 year old events and ask yourself which choice actually brings real change. Bush will bring real change from the last eight years of "no controlling legal authority". Stop the lies, stop the cover-ups. tell Al and Hill to get real jobs or find another universe to rule. And do it with their OWN money as opposed to the taxpayers. Bush for President. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:49:55 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Political - Quote of the Day - --part1_7c.cfaa9e2.2735ec93_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I couldnt stop laughing when I read this quote referencing our beloved outgoing President: "He may be the most gifted man ever to sit in the White House, and the most brazenly corrupt. One can imagine him on the mountaintop with Satan, hearing the offer -- the world for your soul -- and asking: "C'mon, man! There's a catch, right?" Columnist Tony Snow - --part1_7c.cfaa9e2.2735ec93_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: MDESTE1@aol.com Full-name: MDESTE1 Message-ID: <18.4677fc6.2734de31@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:36:17 EST Subject: Political - Quote of the Day To: MDESTE1@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 114 "He may be the most gifted man ever to sit in the White House, and the most brazenly corrupt. One can imagine him on the mountaintop with Satan, hearing the offer -- the world for your soul -- and asking: "C'mon, man! There's a catch, right?" Tony Snow - --part1_7c.cfaa9e2.2735ec93_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 04:04:59 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Too Sad To Sing All The Way Through, NJC About my recent post about "Walk Away Renee" by the Left Banke. I was right the FIRST time. That post was too personal to share....... May I have it back? Please? Jim :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:09:34 -0600 (CST) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Can Nader Win? NJC for US citizens only (md) On Sat, 4 Nov 2000 MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Al Gore voted for (I repeat FOR) Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. So there > goes that theory. He voted for Scalia but against Thomas. > We need MORE political parties not less. Agreed. > Congress will temper any Supreme Court nominee. Agreed here as well. The Supreme Court thing is a total red herring. > Sandra day Occonnor and Souter were Reagan > Nominees. O'Connor has hardly been a friend of leftism (though ambiguously pro-choice). And many of your criticisms of Al Gore are valid. His steadfast support of the environment has been anything but. I specifically remember during my time in Washington Al leaving his former loyal staffer, EPA Administrator Carol Browner, totally out in the cold with no administration support as she pushed for tougher clean air standards. Not only should he have been with her ideologically, but she also was a longtime staffer and friend--an inner-circle Gore person during his Senate tenure. That showed me just how contingent his environmental support can be when the political pressure (namely, the pressure from corporate donors) comes to bear. I am reluctantly voting for Gore because a) we're on the brink of some important queer civil rights victories that will literally be impossible during a Bush presidency; b) I think Bush is an idiot, and I don't like idiots as friends, much less as Presidents; and c) I've met Nader (as well as Gore and Buchanan, incidentally; once had Buchanan's home phone number in my rolodex--now that's a story) and I think he's an unmitigated asshole in terms of relating to people, and I think he would be a bad President if he stood a chance of winning, despite my agreement with him on most of the issues. If I lived in a stronger Gore or Bush state, I would vote for him because I think the Green Party winning matching funds would be a very productive thing, but I don't, so I won't, and I'll just cross my fingers that he gets 5%, but I don't think he will. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 19:05:06 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: [Mike's Message] US Politics NJC NJC NJC Well, thank you, Jerry, for that clarification. Obviously, I don't share your attitude about political discussion four days before a major election, in addition to discussion about Joni. Play it cool, huh? Like Joni does? Debra Shea Jerry Notaro wrote: > dsk wrote: > > > Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > > > ....Let us continue to keep > > > the JMDL Bush and Gore free until at least next Wednesday. > > > > Next Wednesday is too late to start talking about it. > > That was the point. > > Jerry > > np: Judy Garland - Porgy and Bess medley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:29:26 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Tower and Napster(NJC)` Jim Wrote: "Okay Fred and Victor! I've looked at www.cdnow.com and www.cdbaby.com where I've had success buying CDs made by JMDLers Kate Bennett, David Lahm, and Bryan Thomas. Prey, tell. Where can I purchase your discs?" Jim- If you had been paying attention and stopped by the Tower booth at Jonifest 2000 New Orleans, you could have picked up a copy there. Great record, great pianist, great guy! And he has arrived as well. His stuff is being traded on Napster. Just for fun I typed several of our own songwriters performers names (Lahm, Bennett, Thomas, Johnson) into the search engine on Napster and Fred was the only one that came up. I guess that means he HAS arrived for whatever that's worth. Speaking of Napster, I have been following the news and stuff on this medium. I don't like people putting someones commercially available stuff up there for the world to download for free. I do like the live and "not available commercially available stuff" that I have found on there and would be willing to pay fees to the artist of these recordings. I just don't know how they are going to work the logistics of something like this out. I do believe that the fricking record companies will STILL come out with there inflated share of the pie though. I also believe that Napster (in all it's glory and shame) might cause the whole business to veer away from the traditional record companies (as we know them today) which will afford the artists the ability to make alot more money. I am as guilty as anyone for trading live tapes and bootlegs (for no profit to anyone of course) and I have purchased tons of music over the years. But most of the money I have spent goes to the big record companies and never reaches the artists. I listened to a TV program on the subject and heard the opinions of all these kids who were interviewed on the topic. Most of them could give a shit about the artist (financially speaking). They feel like they should continue to be able to do this and don't care about the reasons it is wrong. When asked if they would be willing to pay a fee (like $5 a month or something) to be able to access these files alot of them said they could not afford $5 a month and they would find a way to pirate the songs anyway. Alot of these kids have collections in the 1000's of songs that they have not paid a dime for and of course they do the same with software and movies too. I will never tire of getting the records from the bins and coming home and reading all the info inside and enjoying the music for the first time and then turning my friends on to it. Oh well i guess I'll always be a hippie. In other news, I saw Carly Simon of CNN tonight talking about her daughter who is following in mommy and daddys footsteps and writing songs and singing and playing the guitar. If it indeed is passed down thru the jeans/genes, then damn that girl is gonna be a monster! She was talking about how Carly resisted showing her how to write songs, insisting that if she was gonna be able to do it then she should just do it on her own. She said she was glad that Carly did that so she could forge her own way. Pretty cool! Hope everyone is having a great weekend! Paz NP-Close to the Edge-Yes (the Masterworks Tour) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:03:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: 5 greatest tuba players NJC In a message dated 11/04/2000 1:30:51 PM Central Standard Time, zapuppy@yahoo.com writes: << Hey Bob, you don't happen to have a boot of Andy's jazz clinic "Bebop for the bass cleff", do you? ;-) >> No, that's a new one on me! But it's great to see YOU back, Penny! :~D Bob NP: Colloseum II, "Down To You" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:25:49 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The intellectuality of Joni's lyrics > The thread about "Songs that evoke emotions" has moved > me to finally write about this - to try to put into > words what I feel about Joni's songs. > > I've played guitar for a long time, and have learned and > tried to sing a fair number of songs over the years > including many of Joni's. There are certain songs that > are so beautiful and so moving that I can hardly sing > them all the way through without bursting into tears > (Dylan's Every Grain Of Sand is one of them), or that > make me cry every time I hear them (Mary > Chapin-Carpenter's 10,000 Miles), but there has never > been one Joni song that moved me like that. I love > Joni's songs!!! I think they are very beautiful > lyrically and melodically (she is among my favorite > musicians), but I find her songs very cerebral. It's > like the emotions are transformed into beautiful > multicolored jewels and the metaphorical beauty is > moving, but I don't cry in response to it, even though > many of the songs are very melancholy. > > Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? Hi Marian! Good to see you posting again! I've been thinking about this one ever since I read this post last night. Joni affects me in a very different way, as well. The only one of her songs I can think of that really makes the tears start is the new version of 'Both Sides Now.' The maturity and hind sight she brings to the song now really affects me. But mostly Joni makes me feel something entirely different from whatever feeling or feelings bring tears to my eyes. In part I feel a kind of respect and awe for the amazing excellence of their composition and expression. Of course there's more than that but that is part of it. Joni's voice is like an old friend to me. It's comforting. I feel the same way about Billie Holiday. Billie doesn't make me cry either. They both tap into very deep emotions but they don't make old wounds hurt. They soothe. They heal. They inspire. There are songs that almost never fail to bring tears and sometimes sobs. Mostly because they have very personal associations attached to them. There's a song on Bryan Thomas's 'Radio Plastic Jennifer' called 'Cycle' that I've only listened to once. I haven't been brave enough to play it again. Not knocking the song, Bry, it's a powerful and beautiful song that speaks some unfortunate truths. But it has personal associations that make it nearly unbearable for me. For some reason Peter, Paul & Mary can really get me going with certain songs. 'Day Is Done' used to make me sob every time I heard it. Also 'Light One Candle' and their live version of 'Blowin' In the Wind' on their Christmas cd are almost impossible for me to sing along with cause I choke up every time. Again, there are personal associations with these songs that make them particularly poignant for me. Richard Harris' final reprise of 'Camelot' at the end of that movie is another one but that's mostly just because I fell hopelessly in love with his character & the Arthurian legend in that one. Another one is the Airplane's version of 'Wooden Ships.' I was listening to Laura Nyro's 'Christmas In My Soul' in the car the other day and started thinking about my friend Denny who passed away last March. He loved to sing & he always threw his whole heart into it when he did. He also loved Christmas. I started thinking how much he would enjoy Laura wailing 'Christmas in my soul, Christmas in my soul' at the end of that song and wondering if he had ever heard it. I sobbed when the song ended. I think it was the most I had let that grief out since his death. Why do people have to be taken from us too soon? I'm grateful for Laura's music and for the Denny's friendship. I'm glad there was a Wally Breese & a Kenny Grant. But sometimes the loss just seems like too much to bear... Enough. Sorry for the bandwidth. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:30:29 -0500 (EST) From: sem8@cornell.edu Subject: re: songs that evoke emotion Hi Marian!! Great to hear from you, hope you are well, pal!! :-) Although I completely understand what you are saying about the cerebral nature of Joni's lyrics, there are a couple of songs that I can never play all the way through without choking up. #1 on that list is Little Green, especially since the Kilauren revelation but even before that I had a hard time getting through it. Also in that same vein is Morning Morgantown because I always think of it as an imaginary day out with the child she gave up. Also, since my daughter went to college, I COMPLETELY LOSE IT every time I play Sisotowbell Lane. Especially the last verse: Sisotowbell Lane Go to the city, you'll come back again To wade through the grain You always do, well sometimes you do Come back to the stars Sweet well water and pickling jars We'll lend you the car We always do, well sometimes we do We have a rocking chair Someone is always there Rocking rhythms while we're waiting With a candle in the window We always do, we wait for you WAAAAAHHH!!! That's a killer. Oh, yeah and then there's Magdalene Laundries. Maybe I'm just a MUSH. take care, sue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:31:35 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Can Nader Win? NJC for US citizens only (snip) >I am off my soapbox. I know some think we should never discuss >politics. Politics is life and this list is about life so there we >are. Sorry to bore the nonUS citizens and sorry to bore the >nonpolitical amongst us. > >(the Rev) Vince Your post has given me something to think about this weekend. Thanks! - -jan (BTW, do you mind if I forward the gist of your post?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:30:42 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Spoiler:politics(NJC) At 06:34 AM 11/4/00 -0500, you wrote: >If Bush wins, and if the GOP retains control of Congress, it will be the >first time in many of our lifetimes that the Repubs controlled the >Presidency AND the Congress. As scary as Reagan was, he was stymied in >some of his initiatives because the Dems held the House in those days. Who >will hold back Bush? >Just for some historical perspective, the last time the Repubs controlled >the legislative and executive branches was THE MCCARTHY ERA. (snip) >Deb Messling >messling@enter.net >http://www.enter.net/~messling/ Wow. This I did not know. I'm glad I'm seeing this now- is it OK if I forward it? - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:49:52 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: 5 Songs that invoke emotions (NJC) 1. TV Eye, Iggy & the Stooges 2. Heroin, Velvet Underground 3. She Belongs To Me, Bob Dylan 4. There She Goes, The Las 5. Take You To The Other Side, Spacemen Three - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 22:33:49 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Weepy Cheese (NJC) Ok, then, hows about 5 'crap tunes' that make you weepy (I'll settle for 'invoke emotion'), as I really enjoyed the 'crap tunes' thread a few weeks back. Here it is: Mandy-Barry Manilow Shannon-Henry Gross You And Me Against The World-Helen Reddy Brandy-Looking Glass (Honestly, I don't know why...) I Honestly Love You-Olivia Newton John I'm sure if I sat here for a while I'd come up with a ton, but that's what came to mind initially. Any takers? -Chris NP:Cat Sounds.... ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 22:36:28 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: More...njc Can't resist...as an alternate choice, "Don't Cry Out Loud"-Melissa Manchester ...Baby cried the day the circus came to town... ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:05:25 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Favorite Arrangers / Producers 1st: George Martin. This man's contribution to middle and late period Beatles is not widely recognized, especially in the wake of losing John. George Martin rocks! McCartney's amazing "Elanor Rigby" is what it is because of George Martin. 2nd: Steely Dan. Donald Fagen and Walter Becker have put everything from Bop to Gospel into their eclectic gumbo but it always retains their characteristic care and jump factor. Unlike bands whose debut represents their creative peak, Donald and Walter haven't lost a thing. If anything, "Two Against Nature" is funkier, more danceable than ever. I feel that it is in a league with "Aja", and "Gaucho". Highly recommended. 3nd: Joni. Through the years, she has tried everything from an Appalacian dulcimer to the ultra-modern (and unreleased!) VG-8 in search of a new voice for the muse, a new texture for the canvas. Remember when "Harlem In Havana" came out of left field? 4th: Billy Strayhorn: Okay, again, I admit I don't know what I'm talking about but..... I also admit that I prefer the Ellington stuff to Basie's too-smooth-for-me takes. Mr. Strayhorn was a respected gay man before gay was cool in America. As a jazz neophyte, what I appreciate is that his arrangments gave the wonderful soloists in Ellington's band room to improvise (again, unlike Mr. Basie's airtight arrangements.) 5th: Brian Wilson. Amazing and subtle stuff on the Beach Boys albums. If you've heard the hits and wonder what else there is, try a track called "In My Room". Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #581 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?