From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #580 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 4 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 580 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC Assumptions [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Spoiler:politics(NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: fave pianists (SJC) [Nancy ] Fred and Victor CDs for sale ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re:[Mike's Message] US Politics NJC NJC NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Don Freed article (NJC) [Marian ] Re: Don Freed article (NJC) ["Kakki" ] The intellectuality of Joni's lyrics [Marian ] Re: Don Freed article (NJC) [Marian ] Re: US Politics NJC NJC NJC [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:46:25 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Assumptions "C.A. Starkey" wrote: > My interests are human rights like > making sure Roe V. Wade doesn't get overturned, rights for Gays, > gun laws, etc. > Since you are a Rev. we probably have different views on the abortion issue. > But that is why voting is important. > > Carol Carol, The NRA has said if Bush is elected, they can work out of the Oval Office. Reason alone to vote for Gore. But this comment confuses me: "Since you are a Rev. we probably have different views on the abortion issue." Are you anti-choice? It is precisely because I am a clergy of 23 years experience and now a bishop in my church body that I celebrate 23 years of membership in the Michigan Religious Coalition for Abolrtion Rights, Planned Parenthood, the Clergy chapter of Planned Parenthood, and other religious pro-choice groups. I have been to any number of pro-choice rallies and actions. As the bumer sticker says, "Pro Choice/Pro Child" and also "I am prochoice and I vote." That vote must be for Gore this year or Roe v Wade may be lost. Every year on 22 January I have a letter in the local paper in support of choice and within days there are letters calling me all kinds of unBiblical names, but I feel strongly, as a Christian, that choice is the option e must support so that each woman can freely make her own choice based on her own circumstances, beliefs, health, other needs that are real to her, and her relationship to God, if any. Then again, I belong to the National Organization of Women, Handgun Control, the ACLU, SCLC, People for the American Way, the IWW, Sierra Club, and every other group that I think says where clergy need to be. Never make assumptions about clergy. We are always on the front lines and we are always pictured as wimps and 18th-century bound moralistic prigs. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:27:17 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Spoiler:politics(NJC) colin wrote: > Some stupid sod here was moaning about the coverage we >are giving to the USA election. Maybe they live in a box with >no windows. I hope the one who didn't get into college >despite low grades wins-it'll be safer for us > all. At the risk of being unpopular in some circles around here, I must tell you not to take to heart everything that some of the press screams out to work people up. From my experience, (and maybe I'm just not up on other parts of the U.S.) the United States is still the most open and free country in the world. People's rights are not taken arbitrarilt taken away on a whim of who gets to be president. The president does not have total dictatorial power over everyone in the country - his ideal function is to "preside", hence the root of his title. The Congress and the Legislative Branch (the law) really make most of the actual decisions in this country. Even if you get people on the Supreme Court who are "conservative" that doesn't mean everything is set in stone forever. I don't know of any current rights that any Supreme Court can take away from people. And if some people want to enlighten me, go right ahead. We are a progressive and diverse country, that certainly has its share of bad people, but ultimately the power lies with the people. The people make our country go around regardless of, or in spite of, the political powers or party that hold office at any given time. To me, the main thing we need to be concerned about with our Federal government is that they don't over-regulate (micro-manage) us and thereby kill our incentive and spirit, and that they don't get us into needless wars. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 23:47:26 +0000 From: Nancy Subject: Re: fave pianists (SJC) I also thought of Diana Krall when this thread started. I was very impressed with her when I watched the TNT Joni Tribute. Nancy/IA > Only one: (who happens to be a singer as well) Diana Krall, who did (in my > opinionated opinion) a smashing job of Joni's 'A Case of You' on the TNT JM > Tribute. > - -kol ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:05:01 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Fred and Victor CDs for sale Okay Fred and Victor! I've looked at www.cdnow.com and www.cdbaby.com where I've had success buying CDs made by JMDLers Kate Bennett, David Lahm, and Bryan Thomas. Prey, tell. Where can I purchase your discs? Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:18:45 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re:[Mike's Message] US Politics NJC NJC NJC Okay, we all knew that eventually the dam would burst and that electing an American president would spill over into our international forum. I apologize to the World as an apolitical American. But........ Debra Shea said, > Ok, I'll stop. > Debra Shea > P.S. But I'm worried. At the risk of offending two JMDLers in 48 hours by telling people what to think, may I suggest, Debra, that there's nothing to worry about. Nothing will change on Election Day. As we've seen so many times in the past, it does not matter one whit who is in the White House. Rapist, idiot, future Alzheimer's patient, Red Scare mastermind, bumbler, nuclear engineer, philanderer (with Marilyn Monroe no less!)... whatever. It doesn't matter. The power will safely reside where it always has, regardless of our Civics class training: Big Business. Wishing this grotesque charade will be over soon, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 05:05:27 +0100 From: Marian Subject: Re: 5 Songs that invoke emotions (NJC) 1. 10,000 Miles - Mary Chapin Carpenter (from the movie "Fly Away Home") 2. Every Grain Of Sand - Dylan 3. Winter Wind - Patty Larkin 4. Sorento Moon - Tina Arena 5. Mama, I Love You - The Spice Girls Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 05:08:41 +0100 From: Marian Subject: Re: Don Freed article (NJC) I sensed a bitchy tone on the part of the writer, not on the part of Don Freed. Marian Vienna Ken wrote: > I didn't get that feeling at all. I felt > he was referring to himself sitting > around the pool doing nothing while Joni > is busy painting or running around > doing stuff of her own. >Deb Messling wrote: >> Is it just me, or did anyone else detect >> a sort of bitchy undertone to the >> Don Freed article posted earlier today? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:00:37 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Don Freed article (NJC) > I sensed a bitchy tone on the part of the writer, not on > the part of Don Freed. Hey Marian, It's nice to see you back among us again. I didn't see the writer as bitchy to Joni but maybe a bit taunting to Donald if anything, along the lines of "so how does it feel to be Mr. Joni Mitchell?", and "what can you say to prove you are your own man?" I imagine it would be difficult for Donald or just about anyone to be the so-called "consort" to Joni Mitchell. And hard for Joni to just enjoy being with whom she wants to be with and not have the intrusion of the media snooping into it all and putting someone she loves on the spot. Nonetheless, I did enjoy learning more about the mysterious Donald and his work with the Meti children. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 05:38:59 +0100 From: Marian Subject: The intellectuality of Joni's lyrics The thread about "Songs that evoke emotions" has moved me to finally write about this - to try to put into words what I feel about Joni's songs. I've played guitar for a long time, and have learned and tried to sing a fair number of songs over the years including many of Joni's. There are certain songs that are so beautiful and so moving that I can hardly sing them all the way through without bursting into tears (Dylan's Every Grain Of Sand is one of them), or that make me cry every time I hear them (Mary Chapin-Carpenter's 10,000 Miles), but there has never been one Joni song that moved me like that. I love Joni's songs!!! I think they are very beautiful lyrically and melodically (she is among my favorite musicians), but I find her songs very cerebral. It's like the emotions are transformed into beautiful multicolored jewels and the metaphorical beauty is moving, but I don't cry in response to it, even though many of the songs are very melancholy. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 05:55:03 +0100 From: Marian Subject: Re: Don Freed article (NJC) Kakki wrote: > Hey Marian, > > It's nice to see you back among us again. Thanks, Kakki! > I imagine it would be difficult for > Donald or just about anyone to be > the so-called "consort" to Joni > Mitchell. Indeed! > And hard for Joni to just enjoy being > with whom she wants to be with and > not have the intrusion of the media > snooping into it all and putting > someone she loves on the spot. Something that really struck me in the article was when Don mentioned that they could be in the middle of nowhere and suddenly there would be an autograph-signing session. That must be really hard - not to have the freedom/privacy in public places that non-famous people enjoy and to be ignored while your more-famous parnter gets all the attention. > Nonetheless, I did enjoy learning more > about the mysterious > Donald and his work with the Meti children. Me, too! His work is really fascinating - I've never heard of anyone doing that kind of work. It's like he has invented a new profession. Anyway, many thanks to the person (Steve Dulson?) who posted the article. Many thanks!!! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 02:56:24 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: US Politics NJC NJC NJC Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > ....may I suggest, Debra, that there's nothing to worry about. Nothing > will change on Election Day. As we've seen so many times in the past, it > does not matter one whit who is in the White House. Rapist, idiot, future > Alzheimer's patient, Red Scare mastermind, bumbler, nuclear engineer, > philanderer (with Marilyn Monroe no less!)... whatever. It doesn't matter. So it seems to you, but I and many of my friends and neighbors could not get any work at all in the early 90s because of the busted Reagan/Bush economy. I'd rather not live through such an economic time again. And having been a kid in the South when it was still segregated, it was seared into me that the people who are in office have a very definite effect on people's lives. So politics matter, a lot. Are there checks and balances? Yep. Can we protest if decisions are made we don't like? Yep. Do things smooth out over time no matter who's in office? Maybe. Eventually. But why spend years waiting when there's a choice that can be made now? Especially now, when there are such contrasting philosophies to choose from. To say it doesn't matter who the government leaders are, no, I don't agree with that at all. Debra Shea ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #580 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?