From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #579 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 4 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 579 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Fwd: [NJC] That's THREE Arrests for Bush -- How Many More? (NJC) ["K] RE: Favorite pianists/keyboardists NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Re: Great Pianists- Carole King... NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Cher "Sisters of Mercy"/Joni "Magdalene Laundries" ["Brenda J. Walker] guitarists ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Church & Nature & 1974 (NJC) ["Diane Evans" ] RE:fave tambourine player njc [MP123A321@aol.com] Re:[Mike's Message] US Politics NJC NJC NJC [dsk ] Today in Joni History - November 4 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - November 5 [Today in Joni History ] tuba players njc [evian ] Re: Rock Stars and their backstage requests (SJC) [catman ] Re: Spoiler:politics(NJC) [catman ] NJC God (was: he is too a saint) NJC [dsk ] Re: Spoiler:politics(NJC) [catman ] Re: Cher "Sisters of Mercy"/Joni "Magdalene Laundries" [catman ] RE: Belinda Carlisle ["Garret" ] Re: [Mike's Nonsense Message] (NJC) [catman ] RE: Subject: fave tambourine player (NJC) ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: Great Pianists- Carole King...NJC ["Hell" ] Re: Marmite and HP Sauce - NJC ["Hell" ] patrick news ["patrick leader" ] Can Nader Win? ["C.A. Starkey" ] Re: Favorite pianists/OOOPS - Hi Fred! [Scott and Jody ] [none] ["Dave and Beth Fairall" ] TNT "All-Star Tribute To Joni Mitchell" free on VHS and audio cassette ~NTSC only~ ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni's Discography, a reminder ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] US Politics [was Mike's message] NJC [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:53:47 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Fwd: [NJC] That's THREE Arrests for Bush -- How Many More? (NJC) > The current > > professions of those irresponsible men I used to > > know: 1) Calif. State > > Judge; 2) Attorney; 3) Art Director for PBS > > Productions; 4) Psychologist and > > Marriage and Family Counselor > > > And I'll bet I can pretty much guess, out of that > bunch, who's still "partying" and who isn't!!! ;-) Don, actually it's not the obvious answer - the one still partying is No. 4 ;-) But No. 3 is, let's just say, still a hippie ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:11:08 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: RE: Favorite pianists/keyboardists NJC "Wally Kairuz" >>i am so curious about fred simon, though! Wally, there's a very easy way to satisfy that curiosity ... - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:15:56 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Great Pianists- Carole King... NJC "Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: >I'm growing old for this rock era, moon-june stuff. I'm buying jazz and >JMDL songwriters lately. I eagerly await your email ... operators are standing by. - -Fred Simon (jazz composer/player/JMDL songwriter) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 14:49:41 -0800 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Cher "Sisters of Mercy"/Joni "Magdalene Laundries" There are actually three tracks up on the website that you can stream (which means, by default, you can download them.) It looks like the news reports are not accurate - you can preorder from the site but you can't buy any tracks ahead of the street date. The preorders will ship when the CD is officially released. That particular track is also available at other places . . . you can download it at http://ww.launch.com. Alot of artists have done this type of thing and have been doing it for some time so it's nothing new. To check it out, go here: http://www.cher.com/home/home.html# and click on the "Not Commercial" banner at the top. c Karma wrote: > VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading > Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > > So Cher is ruffling habits around the world with her indictment of the order > with whom she was interred as a child. I don't think it's news to anyone > here that Joni tackled this subject already with "The Magdalene Laundries." > > For me, what's probably most interesting about Cher's explosive release is > my understanding (from news reports) that the song is only available through > her website! Now that's something special. What better way for an artist > to maintain control over marketing than by limiting the outlet, avoiding > creative pressure from the distribution and retail levels. Ani DeFranco has > had remarkable success in this regard. Cher's attempt at this now raises > the stakes considerably. I can't think of another popular artist of her > magnitude to attempt this, can anyone else? That is other than Bowie, who > owns his own catalog and chooses to maintain business control over his own > publishing and masters. > > I'd guess that Cher has an internet identity with a legion of fans who would > appreciate the opportunity to have first crack at new work. Hmmm. Does > this sound familiar? If I'm in error about "Sisters Of Mercy" only being > available from Cher's website, I apologize but it's really not a bad idea, > is it? > > CC > > "Well the technical manual's busy." -- JM > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. - -- Brenda J. Walker soulstreet inc. Phone: 310-373-4927 Fax: 310-373-4957 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:26:05 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: guitarists I feel the need to have Randy California on the top (whatever) guitarist. Not only was Spirit one of the best, but they posessed one of the all time greats. He moved you with his music. It was that feeling that others try to get but never really seem to. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:06:21 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: Church & Nature & 1974 (NJC) Kate, A little late in catching up on my email, but I have to tell you how much I enjoyed "Home." It reminded me of when I lived in Idaho (yep, moved there in '74). We would hike into the primitive areas, to the top of those hills, and positively feast on the sights! My God! The meteor showers were dazzling in the night sky! By day we'd be humbled by the glory of sky-hugging mountains, trout-filled streams, and the scents of the season. Never did I feel closer to God. Thanks for bringing those moments back to me! Diane >Home > >Walkin up here >Away from it all >And looking down >The world appears so small >High on this mountain >I can see far >In every direction > >The sky is clear >There will be stars tonight >Walkin up here >The world again right >Here is my church >This sacred ground >And my resurrection > >Water on stone >Returning to the river >Feels like I'm finally home > >Tell me a story >Sing me a song >Give me something >To last forever >High on this mountain >I can see far >In every direction > >Water on stone >Returning to the river >Feels like I'm finally home > >******************************************** >Kate Bennett > >featured this month at Taylor Guitars >www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ > >www.katebennett.com >www.cdbaby.com/katebennett >www.amazon.com > >******************************************** > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:31:01 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [Mike's Nonsense Message] (NJC) This nonsense about Bush and a 24 year old charge is patent hypocracy the size of the orbit of Pluto. If you think a rapist can be president then DUIs is small potatoes. If 7 reproted sexual assaults and selling the Country's weapons secrets to the Chinese for cmpaign contributions is no big deal then get real with whatever you think Bush might have done. For once he stood up at a press conference and didnt lie and didnt parse words. Gore lied to the FBI about real crimes. 3 chief cousels said so. Only janet Stonewall Reno prevented real indictments by violating HER oath of office. Gore covered up all this stuff including a deal that mirrors iran Contra. Get off this preposterous double standard nonsense. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 15:40:26 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: [Mike's Nonsense Message] (NJC) At 06:31 PM 11/3/00 -0500, you wrote: >This nonsense about Bush and a 24 year old charge is patent hypocracy the >size of the orbit of Pluto. If you think a rapist can be president then DUIs >is small potatoes. If 7 reproted sexual assaults and selling the Country's >weapons secrets to the Chinese for cmpaign contributions is no big deal then >get real with whatever you think Bush might have done. For once he stood up >at a press conference and didnt lie and didnt parse words. Gore lied to the >FBI about real crimes. 3 chief cousels said so. Only janet Stonewall Reno >prevented real indictments by violating HER oath of office. Gore covered up >all this stuff including a deal that mirrors iran Contra. Get off this >preposterous double standard nonsense. marcel deste My, 'teste' aren't we? I was just passing it along on this boring Friday, since y'all were talking about five favorite bears or beers or whatever. All these Bush revelations are PLUSSES in my book, so what the hex. - -jan (who stopped voting once LaRouche left the scene) Toodles! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:45:51 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: RE:fave tambourine player njc My vote: Stevie Nicks: best tamborine player and can twirl at same time! < Subject: fave tambourine player njc Fave tambourine player: Tracy Partridge ;)>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:56:17 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re:[Mike's Message] US Politics NJC NJC NJC Jerry Notaro wrote: > ....Let us continue to keep > the JMDL Bush and Gore free until at least next Wednesday. Next Wednesday is too late to start talking about it. But I'll try to keep quiet, although, damn, I can't believe so many people in this country are going for dim-bulb, sneering, very conservative but trying to hide it Bush. He's friendlier? Not from what I see but even if he is, what's the deal with that? We don't have to live with the guy. And his only experience (other than some unusually lucrative business deals with his Texas buddies) is being a governor for the past 5 years and he looks perplexed and scared at every question he's asked, but THAT'S who so many Americans want representing them? I just don't get it. Ok, I'll stop. Debra Shea P.S. But I'm worried. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:59:54 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 4 1985: Newsweek prints a double review of "Dog Eat Dog" and James Taylor's new album, saying of DED "First the bad news: Joni Mitchell has made a virtually clean break with her past. Although her odd, elliptical lyrics sound familiar... much has changed." Read the review here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/851104n.cfm 1996: Joni appears on the Late Show with David Letterman. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:59:58 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 5 1994: Turbulent Indigo hits #53 in the UK. 1995: (From Wally's bio page): [Today,] Joni performed a short set at a dinner honoring cartoonist Garry Trudeau at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel. She was accompanied by drummer Brian Blade, whom she'd met that past May at the New Orleans Jazz Festival. 1998: Joni performs in College Park, Maryland. Setlist and Jimdler reviews here: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981105.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:02:39 -0600 From: evian Subject: tuba players njc Jimmy, I too love Ingvar Hallerstehl! Been a big fan of his since he was with the Terwilligar 5. However, to name him in your top 5 is a little hasty, don't you think? His stuff is a tad derivative, or are you not seeing that? He is a fine craftsman, but he is far from being the "grand poobah" (even though he had the audacity to name his 1978 live album exactly that... what nerve!). However, I will give him his due as being competent player -- anyone who has listened to the Bulgarian top 40 during the past 30 years can attest to that. Evian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:11:28 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Rock Stars and their backstage requests (SJC) FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I was reading our local rag this morning which had an article of Peter > Frampton's Oh god! I remember him. 70's wank fodder! beautiful with long hair. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:24:22 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Subject: fave tambourine player Evian wrote: >>Fave tambourine player: Tracy Partridge ;)>> I beg to differ with you. No one plays tambourine like Stevie Nicks! :>) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:15:45 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Spoiler:politics(NJC) Some stupid sod here was moaning about the coverage we are giving to the USA election. Maybe they live in a box with no windows. I hope the one who didn't get into college despite low grades wins-it'll be safer for us all. "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > Relayer asks: > > > How could we come to this?Bush is such an > > ignorant,foolish,idiot.How could he actually become > > president? > > In a word: APATHY. > > So many people don't give enough of a damn to even > bother to register, let alone go to the polls or vote > absentee. They deserve whatever they get, which does > not include the right to bitch. > > Lori, equally disgusted and looking forward to voting > for Gore, > in DC > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. > http://experts.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 19:20:54 -0500 From: dsk Subject: NJC God (was: he is too a saint) NJC catman wrote: > I am not sure I understood this. It made me think tho that many people have a diffiuclt > time seeing God as father, precisely because of their experience with their human father. > As for His son, well as far as I am concerned, you and I are His son's and every one on > this list and elsewhere iare His sons and daighters. I see Jesus as a brother. This reminds me of something my favorite priest says: "God does not have any grandchildren." It surprised me the first time I heard that but, yes, there are no layers in that relationship, and ideally no feeling of any kind of separation. And seeing God as father... that's just too limited a concept for me. I see it as an attempt to poetically explain the unexplainable, but am much more comfortable with the concept of some amorphous creator of the universe, although whether that creator is concerned about what we're doing is something I'm not sure about, even though Christian faith claims the creator is very much concerned about us. But, as always with almost everything, I wonder..... Uh oh, discussing both politics and religion in the last few minutes! What's next, sex? Maybe later. Although what could be controversial about that? Ok, I'll stop. Debra Shea NP: TV news. No wonder I'm stressed... and chatty as a result. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:17:34 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Spoiler:politics(NJC) ps forgot to mention the tiny little matter of human rights that will go flying if you know who wins "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > Relayer asks: > > > How could we come to this?Bush is such an > > ignorant,foolish,idiot.How could he actually become > > president? > > In a word: APATHY. > > So many people don't give enough of a damn to even > bother to register, let alone go to the polls or vote > absentee. They deserve whatever they get, which does > not include the right to bitch. > > Lori, equally disgusted and looking forward to voting > for Gore, > in DC > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. > http://experts.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:21:02 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Cher "Sisters of Mercy"/Joni "Magdalene Laundries" > If I'm in error about "Sisters Of Mercy" only being > available from Cher's website, I apologize but it's really not a bad idea, > is it? maybe not-at least not for those of us fortunate enough to be able to afford the pc, the conection and then the cd writer. > > > CC > > "Well the technical manual's busy." -- JM > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:26:15 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC God (was: he is too a saint) NJC > > > It surprised me the first time I heard that but, yes, there are no layers in that > relationship, and ideally no feeling of any kind of separation. There is no separation. How can there be? God dwells withing each of us-thus no seperation. I believe that is what jesus tried to teach. But it got bastardised and the Church and other religious leaders fooled us into thinking we needed an intermediary. Nothing stands between us and God. only ourselves and dogma and creed. As for sex...well I could do with some! > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:30:13 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Fwd: [NJC] That's THREE Arrests for Bush -- How Many More? (NJC) > > > Kakki, pulled over and threatened with arrest for breaking curfew in 1970 what curfew? How come there was a curfew? - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 19:33:24 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: [Mike's Nonsense Message] (NJC) Marcel, Thanks for the reality touch-down. Bush is no knight in shining armor, but his ability to "'fess up" is refreshing. Also, doesn't anyone remember Gore's part in censorship? I know Tipper was the one voicing the opinion, but he never contradicted her, did he? Gore's ability to play an audience makes me uneasy. Bush's good ole boy camp gives me the shivers. What's a girl to do? And since the usual isn't working, why can't we, as a nation, vote on whether to accept a third party? How do we get this going? One other thing that bothers me, since I'm getting this off my chest: some of us DO find Clinton's inability to keep promises made before God an offense. His infidelity is inexcuseable, IMHO. Diane >This nonsense about Bush and a 24 year old charge is patent hypocracy the >size of the orbit of Pluto. If you think a rapist can be president then >DUIs >is small potatoes. If 7 reproted sexual assaults and selling the Country's >weapons secrets to the Chinese for cmpaign contributions is no big deal >then >get real with whatever you think Bush might have done. For once he stood up >at a press conference and didnt lie and didnt parse words. Gore lied to the >FBI about real crimes. 3 chief cousels said so. Only janet Stonewall Reno >prevented real indictments by violating HER oath of office. Gore covered up >all this stuff including a deal that mirrors iran Contra. Get off this >preposterous double standard nonsense. marcel deste _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 19:38:14 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: [Mike's Nonsense Message],Part 2(NJC) Previous with apologies to those who are not politically inclined. Politics is not war, it's fun with ideologies! Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:42:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: larsen bob, and he plays on girl at her volcano! i didn't know that he'd recorded on his own too. thanks for the tip!!!! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Enviado el: Viernes, 03 de Noviembre de 2000 02:51 p.m. Para: KakkiB@worldnet.att.net; wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Favorite pianists/keyboardists SJC Neil Larsen put out two mighty fine records back in the 80's that I enjoyed immensely, "Jungle Fever" and "High Gear". RLJ did some vocal work on the latter, very similar ethereal thing like what Joni did on the Brian Blade record this year. I never knew what the connection was between Neil & RLJ, so that makes sense now! Bob NP: Traffic, "No Face, No Name, No Number" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:54:10 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: RE: Belinda Carlisle I saw a documentary on VH1 regarding the Go-Go's and it said they were reforming to do a tour. my response- oh god, save us!! Belinda Carlisle was the opening act at the Cher concert last year here in Dublin (yes, i can stand up in public and declare for all to hear that Cher came to Dublin to PLAY FOR ME). Belinda was really quite awful. her whole set had a distinctly eighties feel. one of hte band even had a red keyboard in the shape of a guitar:-) at one point she yelled "i'll now show you how truly talented i am" and then laughed. she launced into a self penned song, and rocked obnoxiously from side to side for the next four minutes. it was cringe worthy. that said, Heaven is a place on earth (with which she closed her set) was a lot of fun and got hte audience into a great mood. her other highpoints were Circle in the Sand, and that song that goes "suddenly i'm in too deep....". in all honesty, the biggest disappointment of the night was that Cher didn't sing One By One! GARRET np- Joan Osbourne, At Last ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:51:57 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: [Mike's Nonsense Message] (NJC) > inability to keep promises made before God an > offense. His infidelity is inexcuseable, IMHO. whilst not condoning it, this would put a huge number of men and women in the 'inexcusable' category. People are human. Making a promise 'before God' is but a human invention and a pretty unrealistic one at that. (blackmail, abuse etc is another matter). I have been lucky enough to be in a 20 year relationship, longer than any of the male/female couples we know. Niether of us made a promise to anyone. We love eachother and work at making it work. But I don't judge those who haven't been so fortunate. There but for the grace of god go i...... > > > Diane > > >This nonsense about Bush and a 24 year old charge is patent hypocracy the > >size of the orbit of Pluto. If you think a rapist can be president then > >DUIs > >is small potatoes. If 7 reproted sexual assaults and selling the Country's > >weapons secrets to the Chinese for cmpaign contributions is no big deal > >then > >get real with whatever you think Bush might have done. For once he stood up > >at a press conference and didnt lie and didnt parse words. Gore lied to the > >FBI about real crimes. 3 chief cousels said so. Only janet Stonewall Reno > >prevented real indictments by violating HER oath of office. Gore covered up > >all this stuff including a deal that mirrors iran Contra. Get off this > >preposterous double standard nonsense. marcel deste > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 01:09:59 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: RE:Cher- sisters of mercy While i'm in "Cher" mode, i may as well go on.... so far as i know, the album is initially available only through the website, but i thought that it would then go on general release. i hope that Cher makes it available only through the site. apparently she had a first hand role in developing that site, which at its launch was recieving five million hits a week. thinking back to an issue of People magazine or newsweek or something from last year, Cher ws interviewed (was she wearing a turban??) and spoke of the new album., she wrote the songs herself- there is even one about Kurt Cobains death on there! Sisters of Mercy is, i think, about her mothers ordeal at the hands of hte good sisters. it is fairly bland. there are other songs to be heard on teh website. Courtney Love placed a number of songs from her own library of Hole recordings on her site for anyone to download. live versions, b sides, covers, Kurt singing with her and so on. this was her way of taking back her music, and giving something ot the fans-Way to go Courtney! on a different note, my early education was given by these same sisters and was great. my sister was in their care until she finished second level, while i moved on to the Marist fathers. i consider that part of my education to have been great, as does my sister, so folks, things HAVE changed here in Ireland:-) wasnt Magdalene Laundries about Sisters of Charity? GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:02:09 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Subject: fave tambourine player (NJC) > Evian wrote: > >>Fave tambourine player: Tracy Partridge ;)>> > Kerry replied: > I beg to differ with you. No one plays tambourine like Stevie Nicks! :>) I am shocked Evian that you named Tracy Partridge over Stevie! I thought I could count on you man! LOL! I don't think I've ever seen anyone get into that tambourine like Stevie...at least she hasn't been deadening it lately so you can't really hear it. She can really play it fairly well when she actually chooses to! Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:01:56 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: Subject: fave tambourine player (NJC) Wasn't Cass Elliot often seen with a tambourine? How about her? ;) eric - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Nikki Johnson Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 7:02 PM To: kerry; evian@sk.sympatico.ca Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Subject: fave tambourine player (NJC) > Evian wrote: > >>Fave tambourine player: Tracy Partridge ;)>> > Kerry replied: > I beg to differ with you. No one plays tambourine like Stevie Nicks! :>) I am shocked Evian that you named Tracy Partridge over Stevie! I thought I could count on you man! LOL! I don't think I've ever seen anyone get into that tambourine like Stevie...at least she hasn't been deadening it lately so you can't really hear it. She can really play it fairly well when she actually chooses to! Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:25:02 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Re: 5 bassists 5. Jaco 4. J. Pastorius 3. "JP" 2. iJacopastorius 1. ohmygodimspeechless (aka Jaco Pastorius) Robert ===== The Archival Group: Dedicated to preserving and sharing the legacy of live music. www.archivalgroup.f2s.com/ or subscribe http://www.topica.com/lists/archivalgroup Ignatz' Covert Art http://members.tripod.com/ignatzmouse2/covert_art_home_index.htm Ignatz Mouse's Music Trade Archive http://members.nbci.com/rabidfox/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:27:23 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Great Pianists- Carole King...NJC Jim wrote: > I've seen the name Carole King thrown out as a great pianists here. > Ummm........ > > Well, first the positives...... Ms. King has written some great, great > songs. In fact she's written LOTS and LOTS of great, great songs. > > I have eight of her albums. 8. In fact I was into her stories of love and > loss before I discovered.... uh... the true way. :) > > That said, I must interject: > > What the heck are you guys talking about? Ms. King bangs chords on a > keyboard. She clangs out two finger solos. She has enough talent to flesh > out wonderful, humable tunes, but she's no 'great' as a player. In my book. Exactly. In your book. This thread was started by Steve as "who is your FAVOURITE guitarist" and has grown to include other instruments. Nowhere was it suggested that these lists are "the people who are the best at what they do, in the opinion of those qualified enough to judge". Somehow the subject title has got changed along the way as well. I put Carole King on my list, because she is one of my favourite pianists. Full stop. I don't care if she's not "good enough" to impress the purists, or whatever. She's still my second favourite pianist after Joni. Sorry, but I just get annoyed when people submit a list like this, and someone responds with a "your choices aren't good enough". My opinion (and that's all it is) is as valid as anyone elses. Helen ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:36:23 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Marmite and HP Sauce - NJC Kakki wrote: > Marmite is another brand of that brown stuff you spread on bread, usually > known as Vegemite. Brown stuff? Brown stuff?! Marmite is wonderful! And never compare it with Vegemite, which is awful (people either love Marmite and hate Vegemite, or vice versa - there is no middle ground)! It's made from a yeast extract, and the taste is very hard to describe. Quite salty, and a bit like beef tea if you've ever tried that. You can actually make a kind of broth by mixing a spoonful with hot water - we always used to have it when we were sick as kids. Yum! HP Sauce (according to the label) is a "A blend containing Vinegar, Oriental Fruit and Spices". It's kind of like a steak sauce, and is really nice with chips (sorry, fries). A friend of mine won't eat anything from a frying pan, unless he's got HP sauce to go with it - and yes, he's British! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:47:28 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: patrick news i'm moving on sunday, and in about 15 minutes we take the computer apart. no contact all weekend. i'll be in touch as soon as i get back on line at my new address. it's a bit of nightmare, but i have good friends helping. cheers to all patrick np - patricia barber - nightclub >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >AsharaJM@aol.com >Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 1:45 PM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: VideoTree #2 Sign ups are HERE!!! > > >The Moment you've been waiting for is here! With a great deal of help > and Seed material from simon, and signup pages by Les, > >ANNOUNCING: > >VideoTree #2, Consisting of: > >Volume #1:    > >CBC NEWS ~ The National >    re: Mendel Gallery 'VOICES' Exhibition ~ June 30, 2000 > >  Mendel Gallery PRESS CONFERENCE >    Saskatoon, Saskatchewan ~ June 30, 2000 > >  'VOICES' Exhibition ~ A Short Tour >    Saskatoon, Saskatchewan ~ June 30, 2000 > >  'VOICES' Exhibition ~ Opening Remarks >    Saskatoon, Saskatchewan ~ June 30, 2000 > >  MAIDSTONE ~ A Short Tour Of Joni's Hometown >    Maidstone, Saskatchewan ~ July 1, 2000 > >The CBC news consists of a short news report of the "Voices" exhibit, >as well as a very short segment of them interviewing yours truly. >The Mendel Press Conference is a question and answer session with >Joni and members of the Press at the Mendel Gallery the afternoon >before the official opening. This is followed by a 'Tour' through the >Gallery, >showing the individual paintings. (There will be a multi-page document that >will accompany the videos containing painting titles, dates, medium, and >notes, thanks to Rick Hobbs and Linda Montelione.) Next are opening >remarks by various dignitaries and people involved in making this exhibit >happen. Finally, we take a very home-movie tour through Maidstone, >where Joni lived during her very young years. Except for the CBC >segment, this footage was taken by me in Saskatoon, and Maidstone, >Saskatchewan. (Please understand this is not "professional" footage.)   :-) > > >Volume #2:   > >JONIMITCHELL                                        >                                                          >'THEWAY IT IS' ~ CBC-TV  (Broadcast 12-24-67)    >    Night In The City                             >    The Gift Of The Magi                           >    The Circle Game              > >'THE WAY IT IS' ~ CBC-TV  (Broadcast 12-31-67)    >    The Dawntrader                                >    The Way It Is                               > >'THE WAY IT IS' ~ CBC-TV  (Broadcast 0?-0?-68)    >    The Way It Is          > >'INTIMATE& INTERACTIVE'  (Broadcast 09-23-94)   > MuchMusic TV Studios ~ Toronto, Ontario   >    Sex Kills  >    Moon At The Window  >    Magdalene Laundries  >    Hejira   >    Cherokee Louise >    Night Ride Home >    The Crazy Cries Of Love >    The Fishbowl (A Poem)      >    Just Like This Train  >    Facelift   > >John Wilson's 'MINI-MUSICALS'  >    Big Yellow Taxi >    Both Sides, Now  > >MTV 'INFLUENCES' Promo >    Got 'Til It's Gone    >    Janet Jackson (Featuring Q-Tip & Joni Mitchell) > >This second tape is a wonderful Volume, with a mixture of some >very early footage (1967 & 1968) from a Canadian TV Show called > "The Way It Is", through the year 2000. The early material is the >earliest video I've seen to date, and is excellent quality, especially >for early black and white TV. The "Intimate and Interactive" has >Joni singing many songs interspersed with answers from >questions from the studio audience, phone lines, and the internet. >John Wilson's Mini-Musicals are animated shorts of "Big Yellow >Taxi" and "Both Sides, Now" which are really fun. The second >Volume wraps up with a MTV Influences Promo and Janet Jackson. > > >BRANCHS: > >To sign up as a branch (you are willing to dub tapes for others) please go >to:  http://www.jmdl.com/trading/branchsignup.cfm > >Branch sign ups will be kept open until November 4th. > >**NOTE** Even if you have already volunteered to be a branch and >have sent your tapes to me, please sign up here so I can keep it >organized. Thank you so much!! > > >LEAVES: > >To sign up as a leaf please go to:   >http://www.jmdl.com/trading/leafsignup.cfm > >Leaf sign ups will be kept open until November 18th. > > >Many thanks to Simon, Les, Rick and Linda for all their help! I really >hope you enjoy this long-awaited VideoTree. > >Hugs, >Ashara >www.photon.net/lightnet > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:00:25 -0500 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Can Nader Win? There is a huge chunk of the population (but of course, whether or not they go out and vote is another story.) that are truly sick and tired of the two party political system. I agree with alot of Ralph Nader's points-- Pro choice, Gay rights, etc. So, if all of us who really don't like George W. (even before this latest bru-ha-ha) and Al Gore got out and voted for Nader isn't it possible he could get enough votes to win? I highly doubt this, but I don't like Bush or Gore, so basically this is just to start some conversation because I am bored. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 21:22:22 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Favorite pianists/OOOPS - Hi Fred! I can't believe I failed to mention Fred Simon as one of my favorites. I guess I was thinking along the lines of musicians that I'd never met and non jmdlers. I've been listening to Fred's CD's quite a bit lately. Scott and I have also had the pleasure of listening to him live on at least four occasions. Sarah, Fred's wife, is an amazing drummer. They are so tight together. At any rate, If you haven't already, go to frednow.com and pick up a CD or two. I Love your new CD Fred and will always play 'Songs From My Youth' - That's a staple in the CD Changer. Fred - We Love You Maaaaan! :~D jody and scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 22:44:07 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Can Nader Win? NJC for US citizens only Nader can't win but Gore can lose. The Supreme Court will have 3-4 vacancies in the next four years. Choice is at stake, as are many civil liberties. The environment. Gore has always been there. Bush has never been there. The economy. Back to tax breaks for the rich and the huge deficits of the Reagan/Bush years or continue the stable growing economy of the past eight years? Back in 1980 the NY Senate race was Elizabeth Holtzman vs Al D'Amato. Except Jacob Javits, who lost the GOP primary, was still the nominee of the Liberal Party of NY and stayed in the race for whatever reasons of vanity. He drained off enough votes from Holtzman and we stuck with D'Amato as a US Senator, voting for Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, etc. In 1992, Geraldine Ferraro was favored to knock off D'Amato in the fall election, but in a split primary, Ferraro lost because - guess who - Elizabeth Holtzman persisted in staying in the primary race for whatever reasons she had, splitting the vote for a woman nominee and giving the nomination to a weaker (male) Democrat who lost to D'Amato. So I am not at all fond of third party candidates who can cost us all because they stay in. What does Nader want? Matching funds for the next presidential election? I am sorry Ralph, but the US Supreme Court and the decisions it makes in the next four years is a hell of a lot more important to me than whether you can get matching funds in the next election. I am not voting for the lesser of two evils. I am voting for the best of the two viable candidates. It will be Bush or Gore. A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. Those who don't like the two major candidates: did they vote in the primaries? Have they supported campaign finance reform for real or just in the days before an election? Is the system corrupt? Yes. Can it be changed if Bush is president and Nader gets matching funds for the next election? No. Can it be changed if Gore is president? Maybe. So vote for the chance we have to make some change. I am off my soapbox. I know some think we should never discuss politics. Politics is life and this list is about life so there we are. Sorry to bore the nonUS citizens and sorry to bore the nonpolitical amongst us. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 12:16:29 -0500 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Re: Can Nader Win? NJC for US citizens only Speaking of NY Senate races.........(Hilary or Rick? I don't live in NY, but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in the outcome.) Nope, I didn't vote in the primary. My interests are human rights like making sure Roe V. Wade doesn't get overturned, rights for Gays, gun laws, etc. Since you are a Rev. we probably have different views on the abortion issue. But that is why voting is important. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:30:33 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: [Mike's Nonsense Message],Part 2(NJC) At 07:38 PM 11/3/00 EST, you wrote: >Previous with apologies to those who are not politically inclined. Politics >is not war, it's fun with ideologies! >Diane Gee, you guys can put a 'happy face' on anything! - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:41:04 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: FAVORITE Pianists- Carole King...NJC, it never was "Greatest Pianists" You're absolutely right. I mis-read the thread. I thought it was 'best' but it was 'favorite'. And yes, I agree that your opinion is completely valid, Hell. Of course! But you certianly don't need permission from me or anyone else. Go for it! And I wasn't singling you out, Hell. Do you think I'm going to offend my favorite athlete on purpose? :) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:42:00 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Curfew (njc) > > Kakki, pulled over and threatened with arrest for breaking curfew in 1970 colin asked: > what curfew? How come there was a curfew? I'll probably need some help out there for the details, but in California growing up there was a curfew law where persons under a certain age (I think it was 16) could not be out and about after 10 p.m. I guess the law was in other states, too, as Don Rowe got caught for it in Texas. There was nothing that prompted this law in particular, other than the powers that be didn't want kids loitering about in packs after a certain hour, I think. Back then I always thought it just meant you could not be wandering the street after 10 p.m. but I had a very scary encounter with a policeman while driving from a friend's house in the car. He pulled me over and was really mean and intimidating and threatening to arrest me. I was 17 (which I think was O.K. - over curfew age) but my friend in the car was 16 and he was going to take me to jail for having her out after 10 p.m. I think he was just a crazed bully. When he learned I was less than a mile from my parents' house he let me go. I wonder if the law is still on the books? It might be but is usually not enforced unless kids are gathering in a pack and looking like they are up to no good. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:09:05 -0600 From: "Dave and Beth Fairall" Subject: [none] >No flamesfrom me, Susan...Clapton has been overrated for most of his career > I too think Clapton is waaaayyy overated. Jeff Beck is the innovator from that generation, although honorable mention also goes to Jimmy Page. Clapton had an energy in the old daze that all but disappeared. Check out Monty Python's Secret Policeman's Other Ball to see this theory in action. Beck destroy's Clapton, and this concert is like 30 years old. Sting singing w/ an acoustic guitar is cool too. Robben Ford is my choice in that genre, although he's not as blue collar, he's bad to the bone. Stevie Ray meets Larry Carlton, two of his greatest influences, but he has a singular voice. DAVEF ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:05:02 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: TNT "All-Star Tribute To Joni Mitchell" free on VHS and audio cassette ~NTSC only~ I'll make copies of the TNT Tribute for anyone who sends me a blank VHS tape. (USA version only- I can't make PAL tapes. Sorry!) It' the finest 2 hours of tv ever produced by the Western World. My copy was recorded from a snow-free digital cable service in stereo but it includes commercials ("Ahhh! The power of CHEESE!"). Perhaps more importantly, you can get a cassette of Simon's most excellent audience recording of the same evening. Get both and amaze your friends! http://tnt.turner.com/specials/jonimitchell/frame_home_exclude.html One catch- you must agree with me that "Hocus Pokus" contains the best yodeling on a happenin' hit single ever in the rock era. You will be required to submit a signed affidavit to that effect. In the spirit of being a good neighbor to Canada, I'll cover return postage for the first 5 Canadians who request either the video or audio cassette. To get in on THIS offer, you only have to agree that the filthy Americans have kept you safe from the Red Menace for the past 30 years. As usual, you will be required to submit a signed and notarized affidavit to that effect. Unless I'm very full of sh*t indeed. Lama P.S. "Hokus Pocus" was zany kitch and the Red Menace never existed. In my opinion. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:47:48 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Marmite and HP Sauce - NJC > Brown stuff? Brown stuff?! Marmite is wonderful! And >never compare it with Vegemite, which is awful (people >either love Marmite and hate Vegemite, or vice versa - there >is no middle ground)! It's made from a yeast extract, and >the taste is very hard to describe. Quite salty, and a bit like >beef tea if you've ever tried that. You can actually make a >kind of broth by mixing a spoonful with hot water - we >always used to have it when we were sick as kids. Yum! Oh Hell, I'm a dork - of course that's it! And I always thought it sounded delicious - I'm very much one for anything beefy and brothy! Please know that I didn't mean "brown stuff" as a perjorative term - I just didn't know what else to call it! > HP Sauce (according to the label) is a "A blend containing Vinegar, Oriental Fruit and Spices". It's kind of like a steak sauce, and is really nice with chips (sorry, fries). A friend of mine won't eat anything from a frying pan, unless he's got HP sauce to go with it - and yes, he's British! Now my mouth is really watering - this sounds great. I haven't been through the Tudor House since I was a little girl but I'm going out that way to meet a jmdler for lunch tomorrow and think I will pay a visit! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:16:11 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni's Discography, a reminder 1968 Reprise SONG TO A SEAGULL 1969 Reprise CLOUDS 1970 Reprise LADIES OF THE CANYON 1971 Asylum BLUE 1972 Asylum FOR THE ROSES 1974 Asylum COURT & SPARK 1974 Asylum MILES OF AISLES 1975 Elektra THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS 1976 Asylum HEJIRA 1977 Asylum DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER 1979 Asylum MINGUS 1980 Asylum SHADOWS AND LIGHT 1982 Geffen WILD THINGS RUN FAST 1985 Geffen DOG EAT DOG 1988 Geffen CHALK MARK IN A RAIN STORM 1991 Geffen NIGHT RIDE HOME 1994 Warner Bros. TURBULENT INDIGO 1996 Reprise HITS 1996 Reprise MISSES 1998 Warner Bros. TAMING THE TIGER 2000 Reprise BOTH SIDES NOW This is in no way an endorsement of this artist's catalog. You'll just have to buy each and every one and decide for yourself. :) Jim L'Hommedieu PS- Brian Gross and I are both Joni fans and both have birthdays coming up........ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:33:09 -0500 From: dsk Subject: US Politics [was Mike's message] NJC Diane Evans wrote: > ....Bush is no knight in shining armor, but > his ability to "'fess up" is refreshing. He didn't choose to fess up. There was paper evidence. And before someone tells me again all about Clinton, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, and so what? Clinton is not on the ballot. > Also, doesn't anyone remember Gore's part in censorship? I know Tipper was > the one voicing the opinion, but he never contradicted her, did he? Are you talking about Tipper in the 80s trying to get rating labels on records? Or the recent remarks about Hollywood? We all get our buttons pushed by different issues, but this seems like a rather mild concern to me considering the other things on the line with this election. > Gore's ability to play an audience makes me uneasy. Bush's good ole boy camp > gives > me the shivers. What's a girl to do? Good luck with your decision. Neither is perfect (is anyone?), but Gore seems solid and Bush plus all the Republicans in Congress scares me. If he's elected, bye-bye to the economy that's been good for most of us. And social issues? Backwards, we'd be going backwards with Bush in charge. > And since the usual isn't working, why can't we, as a nation, vote on > whether to accept a third party? How do we get this going? Don't have an answer for you on that one. Now third parties seem merely destructive, as in every vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. I'd hate to see Gore lose because of the idealistic Nader voters. > One other thing that bothers me, since I'm getting this off my chest: some > of us DO find Clinton's inability to keep promises made before God an > offense. His infidelity is inexcuseable, IMHO. You've held onto that one for quite a while. I don't understand why you're connecting that to this election since Clinton is not on the ballot. Debra Shea, trying to have a que sera sera attitude, but it's not happening NP: RT, How will I ever be simple again ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #579 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?