From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #576 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Thursday, November 2 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 576 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RT recommendations NJC [dsk ] favourite guitarists/taming the tiger/shadows & light ["Greer, Ron" ] Re: Favorite pianists/keyboardists [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Equal time for favorite pianists/keybaord players ["Hell" ] Brad Mehldau NJC [Emily Kirk Gray ] Favorite Pianists [Leslie Mixon ] fave pianists ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: guitarists, pianists & bears (oh my!) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: favourite guitarists/taming the tiger/shadows & light [SCJoniGuy@aol.] Re: 5 Top Guitarists (VLJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: 5 Top Guitarists (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: he is too a saint -njc [Siresorrow@aol.com] top 5 piano and bass - njc [Siresorrow@aol.com] Chuck Mitchell [Steve Dulson ] Re: he is too a saint -njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: 5 guitarists [Don Sloan ] Pianists (NJC) [leslie@torchsongs.com] Re: guitarists, pianists & bears (oh my!)/ 5 fave bass players ["Brenda J] Re: he is too a saint -njc [catman ] Belinda Carlisle NJC [catman ] Re: he is too a saint -njc [Siresorrow@aol.com] Today in Joni History - November 2 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Bass guitarists, (oh my!) (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Today in Joni History - November 2 ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] RE: Brad Mehldau NJC ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: Five Fave Guitarists [Gertus@aol.com] another cover ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: Bass guitarists, (oh my!) (md) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: 5 Top Guitarists (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: 5 Top Guitarists (NJC) [jan gyn ] Amazing Bass Guitarist (Jaco-related) ["Kakki" ] Re: 5 Top Guitarists (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: another cover [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: guitarists, pianists & bears (oh my!) NJC ["Brian Workman" ] RE: Favorite pianists/keyboardists ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Belinda Carlisle NJC [Jason Maloney ] RE: Belinda Carlisle NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Belinda Carlisle NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: Belinda Carlisle NJC ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: Belinda Carlisle NJC [Jason Maloney ] Spoiler:politics(NJC) [Relayer211@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 03:40:51 -0500 From: dsk Subject: RT recommendations NJC Stephen Epstein wrote: > Have been watching this thread closely, and some excellent choices by all. > I'm almost embarrased to say that I know nothing 'bout Richard Thompson. > Suggestions from anyone as where to begin? Hi Stephen, I'm sure there are long-time RT fans on the list that could give you some wiser advice, but my short-time fanhood is so filled with enthusiasm, I'll give it a go. My first suggestion is starting with his most recent, Mock Tudor. It's very dense and some of the songs are so edgy it was hard to listen to at first (kind of like getting used to a new Joni), but now I love it, and there's some great guitar playing on it and the songs are so deep, songs like the _Uninhabited Man_ and _Dry My Tears and Move On_ always get to me. And the brief instrumental on Sibella, wow, I love that. It's such a surprise, you know, how when you're in a car that goes over a particular type of little hill and for a moment you're weightless and it feels good? It's like that. I'd also suggest You?Me?Us? even though it's considered uneven, but there are some great songs on that, some "modern" ones and some beautiful folk-inspired ones too. It's Mitchell Froom produced, which means something to long-time fans, but I couldn't explain exactly what. My favorite RT cds, though, are ones of live performances that you can only get through the mail, Celtschmerz and Two Letter Words. He really shines in live performance and both of these cds are great and kind of "most popular songs" collections. You can find out about them here: http://www.amug.org/~deeg1225/rtbcds.html. It was by listening to these that I really started to feel like I could fully hear and understand and enjoy and LOVE his music. I'd suggest staying away from the cds he did with his former wife Linda even though many people think they're his greatest, but I got Shoot out the Lights early on and didn't like listening to Linda's voice. Maybe later, after I know RT's music better I'd appreciate those cds more, but not now. I felt like I couldn't hear Richard through Linda's singing, and his voice has improved a lot since then. He was forced to get better, I think, more expressive, once Linda was no longer performing with him. And he did. The songs themselves are great and many are on the live cds. Another one I got early on was Watching the Dark, a 3-cd box set, but it's a jumble timewise and soundwise and I didn't feel like it gave me a good sense of Richard's work. So, again, later. So those are my suggestions and some of my experiences in getting to know RT. It's my second experience of being completely smitten by an artist (Joni was the first and only for the longest time), and it's fun being captured again. Hope this has been helpful to you. Debra Shea NP: RT _Sibella_ and _Bathsheba Smiles_, a few times.... at least.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:47:18 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: favourite guitarists/taming the tiger/shadows & light hi i just subscribed yesterday. quite fascinating - some people here that really know their stuff. on the top guitarist thing >Scott and Jody chose >Leo Kottke at last - i was wondering when someone would pick him. my list: joni mitchell (because no-one else tunes like her, or plays the same kind of rhythms) jimi hendrix leo kottke richard thompson johnny winter tuck andress ok - so its six....... >- -Fred Simon wrote >Well, Kakki, when it comes to certain artists, I'm a blind optimist; I'll >always check out their new albums, always hopeful. But, man, was I burned by >the recent CSNY album, and Taming the Tiger, too. taming the tiger had such rave reviews here about how it was such a great progression, and how it continued on from turbulent indigo, (which i love.....) that i rushed out & bought it without listening. paid a high price as an import as well. yeah, i was burned too. ive tried so hard to connect with it, but it just doesnt work for me. a question - is the full version of shadows & light available on cd? having ordered the cd, & waited forever to get it, i am very, very, bummed to find they cut a couple of the tracks so it could fit on a single disc. i had the album on vinyl, & want the *whole* album on cd........... ron ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 00:16:28 MST From: "karla subero" Subject: fave pianists (SJC) Only one: (who happens to be a singer as well) Diana Krall, who did (in my opinionated opinion) a smashing job of Joni's 'A Case of You' on the TNT JM Tribute. - -kol _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:06:20 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite pianists/keyboardists "Kakki" wrote: >Whether composer and/or performer - > >Laura Nyro >David Benoit >Stevie Wonder >Michael Ruff >Jimmy Webb >Joni >Billy Joel >Elton >Bill Champlin >Fred Simon (mee, too) >Tori Amos Kakki ... I love you, maaaan!! - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:17:04 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Equal time for favorite pianists/keybaord players Don wrote: > Well since everyone's having SO much fun with the fave > guitarist thread ... thought I'd widen the topic a > bit, and see which ticklers of ivories have caught > listeners fancy. Now as a demon keyboard player > myself, I'm breaking it up: Good idea, except that I'm pretty ignorant about musicians - I tend to be more interested in the lyrics than the music. But since it's been asked, I'm going to have to answer ;o) Favourite pianists/keyboardists (since I don't know enough to have five of each): Joni (for Two Grey Rooms alone) Carole King Ray Manzarek Christine McVie Alan Brown - who plays in a local Auckland "funk jazz" band, and the most dextrous worker of a keyboard I've ever seen. An incredibly talented guy. Favourite bass players (don't take much notice, I'm afraid): John McVie - who I do notice Ray Manzarek - who you never noticed but should have - great talent! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:10:34 -0800 From: Robert Holliston Subject: favorite pianists NJC Here are some pianists who have challenged me and brought me a lot of pleasure over many years: Bill Evans Bud Powell Teddy Wilson George Shearing Thomas "Fats" Waller There are so many others: Tommy Flanagan, Marian MacPartland, Oscar Peterson, Mary Lou Williams, Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Earl Hines. As for the guitarists, I'll just add Sister Rosetta Tharpe to the list. A gospel singer/guitar player who recorded in the mid 1940s, she sure played a mean axe. Charlie Christian was great, too, and then there's always Robert Johnson..... Take care y'all - and isn't jazz great??!! Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:33:57 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Brad Mehldau NJC to eric and others who mentioned brad mehldau -- i have to add that i saw him and his trio play a couple weeks ago at the village vanguard, and WOW! he was captivating. a beautiful, beautiful piano sound and technique, although i don't know all that much about these things. he played as an encore a cover of an old ballad called something like "in the fading of the evening" -- can anyone tell me what song this is? i cried, it was so incredibly stunning and moving. plus--mr. mehldau himself is pretty easy on the eyes, if i do say so myself! - --emily NP: "wolf that lives in lindsay" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 06:23:41 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Favorite Pianists My top 5: David Lahm Oscar Peterson Nat King Cole Professor Longhair Duke Ellington and the list could go on by genre.... Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:45:28 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: fave pianists The ones I could think of at this time(in order) 5. Floyd Cramer 4. Randy Newman 3. George Winston 2. Christine McVie (fleetwood mac) 1. Gary Brooker (procol harum) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:26:02 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: guitarists, pianists & bears (oh my!) <> Well, ANY list of bass players HAS to include John Entwhistle, the Alpha & Omega of the thing! Just listen to Quadrophenia...Ohmigod!! The man is simply in a class by himself, much like Jimi on guitar and Aretha on vocals. Graham Maby (Joe Jackson)is also amazing. Jaco of course is unique and a pioneer and an innovator. What a blessing that he was able to link up with Joni and create some of the best musical landscapes ever recorded! And Patrick Leader will beam with joy to see that I'm going to mention Larry Klein as well...his playing on the '83 tour is knockout! Great solos on "God Must Be A Boogie Man" and also powerhouse on "WTRF" and "Flat Tires". Also I dug his work on "Hejira" on this year's tour. Plus, he's a really nice guy. I was able to meet him twice and talk to him, and he's very honest and non-condescending, much like Joni. But he sure ain't no Entwhistle! ;~) Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "Rabid Child" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:32:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: favourite guitarists/taming the tiger/shadows & light <> Welcome, Ron! Glad that you just jumped in to the conversational fray! Shadows & Light IS available as a double CD, shouldn't be impossible to find. Further to that, many of us have some other nice recordings from that tour which include songs NOT on S&L; Raised on Robbery, Big Yellow Taxi, Jaco's Solo, Last Time I Saw Richard... That was an awesome band/tour! A combination and a chemistry that really swung! Bob NP: TMBG, "She's An Angel" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:39:29 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: 5 Top Guitarists (VLJC) In a message dated 11/1/00 8:19:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, susang@mail.fadc.com writes: << Clapton. Who I see as an impostor in the Blues world. I am ready to be stoned now - have at me. This in no way started out as a Clapton bashing, he just seems so diluted the past 10 years or so. >> i know!!!!! and isn't he so great!!! i love him. he's my hero. and he's definately blown off the blues. keeps touches in his songs, but he's moved on. in fact, it's like he did unplugged and moved on almost at the same time. but his one cd..from the cradle...you have to admit, that's pretty hard core blues in the last ten years. i like stevie's version of little wing. and i like to watch him. he's like a spiritual pass through agent for some guitar god. like he transcends time and place. but if i listen too long to him, i get a headache. here's two i love. buddy guy acoustic with jr. wells....'hey jr...hey jr...listen to this...boo doomp..weirrr boo doomp. and if you like the electic blues, you have to like robert cray. i saw him open for steve winwood in the late 80's in cleveland. it was a very white crowd and i was one of the only ones there who could sing to his songs. patrick np. paul simon - darling lorraine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:42:23 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: 5 Top Guitarists (NJC) In a message dated 11/1/00 10:19:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << No flamesfrom me, Susan...Clapton has been overrated for most of his career imo >> pee uuuu peee uuuu stinkey post ...stinky post p. np. m.knopfler - BALONEY AGAIN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:00:23 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: he is too a saint -njc In a message dated 11/1/00 10:19:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Pat called Clapton a saint...you missed it by a letter Pat...he's an "ain't". >> oh boy. i just caught this part. you know, i try to compartment my life into little boxes to keep it organized. and no matter how hard i try, they get spilled open and all mixed up. ok..so...well... yesterday was all saints day. and i had to preach. so here is what i said about the saints in some church that didn't have any redwood trees in it... ...Here's another saint I like, Eric Clapton. He's a middle-aged guitar player and very much alive. He was born in the late 40's to an unwed mother of 15. At that time, in Surrey England, that wasn't so respectable. So his mother brought him home to her house and they raised him thinking that his mother was his sister and that his grandparents were his parents. That worked well until he was a teenager and they decided to tell him the truth. Now, in hindsight, it wouldn't surprise any of us to know that for the next forty years, he'd never sustain a healthy relationship. I guess it would affect your sense of trust…. if your parents and sister turned out to be somebody else. He had a son who died tragically in 1991. He fell 52 stories from an open window in Manhattan. Another natural relationship lost. In this article, he talks about that while he is in NYC. He says while looking out the window…we're less than about 50 yards and almost the same height from where my son Conor fell…I can't take the grief on all at one time. Yet at the same time, he sings about the loss of never having seen his own father. And there's no bitterness in his words about that. He sings about how ultimately he saw his father's eyes in the only son he lost. That's truly the redemptive power of God that enables a man to gain insight into the father he never knew through the eyes of the only son he lost. And isn't that the great paradox of Christ? Knowing the father through the son? This man is a saint to me because he helps me understand Jesus better. ...But I learn from these saints God has given me. I have learned that the invisible God is made known in our human sufferings. Like Eric Clapton who saw his father whom he never met through his only son whom he had lost. In the unseen world of God's kingdom, love never ends. So my love for my father has grown. As it has for my siblings who have died too. ..So this day of saints is important for us. We need to be able to see the saints God puts in our lives. And it doesn't matter if anyone else agrees with or understands them. They are our private gifts from God to help us endure the tensions of our life. patrick np. clapton - pilgrim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:12:03 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: top 5 piano and bass - njc piano- george winston elton billy joel chuck leavell randy newman bass- christopher squire jaco meshell flea christopher squire - he counts twice patrick np. nothing-stereo broken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:43:34 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Chuck Mitchell Kerry wrote: >Chuck Mitchell...Did anyone else hear >him in concert? Yes, at The Bistro, in Atlanta, 8/11/72. I too only went because of the Joni connection. I thought the description "ladies in gingham still blush while he sings them of wars and wine" was still apt. >And, does anyone know what he's doing now? There was some discussion of Chuck awhile back. I believe that Les has been in touch with him. Off the top of my head, I think he lives in the midwest and teaches. - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:56:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: he is too a saint -njc Wasn't it Clapton who stole George Harrison's wife? I'm glad that he rose above his hardships to succeed in life. All of us have them, and we choose to either keep striving or let them devour us. I'm glad he took the better road. I'm also glad that he helps you to see Christ more clearly. My Mom, among others, does it for me... But as far as being a saint, I dunno...Mother Teresa, now THERE's a saint. I wouldn't lump Eric in that group, and I still think he's overrated in the guitar dept. But you're right on about that Buddy Guy/Junior Wells combo - totally rockin! Bob NP: TMBG, "Snowball In Hell" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 07:59:43 -0800 From: Don Sloan Subject: re: 5 guitarists Bob wrote in part: "Pat called Clapton a saint...you missed it by a letter Pat...he's an "ain't"." I don't know that I'd go *that* far, but for me, his best work was pre-Cream, specifically his stuff with John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers. If you listen to that LP, there's no denyin' the man was alive and feeling every note. My five (this morning, pre-coffee): Michael Bloomfield (Maybe I've missed it, but I am surprised if no one else has listed him) Buddy Guy Fleetwood Mac-era Peter Green James Taylor and damn if i can't remember the guy who played with Pentangle (Bert Jansch??) Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:07:07 GMT From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Pianists (NJC) While driving to work this morning I thought I needed to add the following three pianists to my favs list: Carole King Jerry Lee Lewis Dr. John Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:44:46 -0800 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: guitarists, pianists & bears (oh my!)/ 5 fave bass players In no particular order.... Ron Carter Charles Mingus Jaco Louis Johnson (from the Brothers Johnson) and a tie for fifth - Me'shell Ndegeocello and John Paul Jones Are drummers next? It really is tough to keep these lists at five.... SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > Well, ANY list of bass players HAS to include John Entwhistle, the Alpha & > Omega of the thing! Just listen to Quadrophenia...Ohmigod!! The man is simply > in a class by himself, much like Jimi on guitar and Aretha on vocals. > > Graham Maby (Joe Jackson)is also amazing. > > Jaco of course is unique and a pioneer and an innovator. What a blessing that > he was able to link up with Joni and create some of the best musical > landscapes ever recorded! > > And Patrick Leader will beam with joy to see that I'm going to mention Larry > Klein as well...his playing on the '83 tour is knockout! Great solos on "God > Must Be A Boogie Man" and also powerhouse on "WTRF" and "Flat Tires". Also I > dug his work on "Hejira" on this year's tour. Plus, he's a really nice guy. I > was able to meet him twice and talk to him, and he's very honest and > non-condescending, much like Joni. > > But he sure ain't no Entwhistle! ;~) > > Bob > > NP: They Might Be Giants, "Rabid Child" - -- Brenda J. Walker soulstreet inc. Phone: 310-373-4927 Fax: 310-373-4957 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:56:15 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: he is too a saint -njc > That's > truly the redemptive power of God that enables a man to gain insight into the > father he never knew through the eyes of the only son he lost. And isn't > that the great paradox of Christ? Knowing the father through the son? This > man is a saint to me because he helps me understand Jesus better. > > ... I am not sure I understood this. It made me think tho that many people have a diffiuclt time seeing God as father, precisely because of their experience with their human father. As for His son, well as far as I am concerned, you and I are His son's and every one on this list and elsewhere iare His sons and daighters. I see Jesus as a brother. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:05:42 +0000 From: catman Subject: Belinda Carlisle NJC I was watching a program which had a mystery guest. they showed her picture and I thought 'that is Belinda Carlisle from T'Pau'. Well it wasn't. They introduced her later as Carol Dekker from T'Pau. She is as I rememebr BC being-pretty red head. So who is Belinda Carlisle? And what does she look like? Red head and pretty and slim? - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:06:47 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: he is too a saint -njc In a message dated 11/2/00 10:56:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy writes: << Wasn't it Clapton who stole George Harrison's wife? >> well it's interesting that on larry king live in 1998 larry asked him that question...what was that all about...and eric said, it was all about a big mistake and wanting something that looked right but wasn't mine to have. i wanted what they had. and i was wrong. like i said yesterday, it doesn't matter if anyone else agrees or understands. patrick np. meshell - bitter - got tired of the cd player skipping so i went out and bought a new one. what a relief. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 00:01:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 2 1980: The Los Angeles Times publishes a review of the "Shadows and Light" album today, saying "Her version of Lymon's "Why Do Fools Fall in Love?" is spirited but ragged in a way that suggests you had to be there to fully appreciate it. That pretty much sums up the album as a whole: The music is pleasant enough while the record is playing, but it just drifts away when the needle rises from the turntable." Read on at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/801102lat.cfm 1998: The New York Times reviews last night concert, saying "Rather than call out for her hits, the crowd became lulled by the intricacy of her lyrics and the sincerity of her singing." Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981102ew.cfm 1998: Joni performs in Syracuse. Setlist here (no Jimdler reported in on this one!): http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981102.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:09:06 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Bass guitarists, (oh my!) (md) <<>> John Entwhistle's bass solo on My Generation is my favorite bass solo of all time. While most bass players have to drag a solo out for ten miles so that the listener can hear how good they are John E does the trick in seconds. Let us not forget John was a symphonic French Horn player earlier in his life. He was always the anchor of the band. While Peter Roger and keith flailed away and jumped all over the stage John remained solid as a rock in the background.A really interesting thing to do is put on the album Live at Leeds. They have Peter T Mixed out of one speaker and you get to hear John alone out of the other. His playing is flawless, interesting and powerful in a way no one else is. I have to throw in there Lord Paul McCartney. His genius on the instrument can be heard in many songs but the two that come to my mind are Golden Slumbers from Abby Road and Helter Skelter from the White Album. Amazing bass pieces. John Mcvie: All those albums. The air-tight connection with Mick Fleetwood. A vote for consistency. Larry klein: C'mon guys how can we leave this guy out. After seeing him with Joni at San Jose I could see why she placed so much trust in him. hes not just a bass player hes a musical director. OK so hes a heartless philanderer? If one can be the president one can be a top 'o the list bass player. Jack Cassidy : The man is Deeeeep. The ocean upon which the Starship floated and the clouds upon which the Airplane flew. Listen to Surrealistic Pillow one more time for a real treat but watch your stereo speakers. John Garnache: OK so hes an old friend. BUT he did play with Ry Cooder and the new Mickey Thomas Starship and a hundred other pros and he is absolutely amazing. When I flew him up from LA (he was in the house band at Bill Meddleys Club) to play on a record I was producing the engineer who had been at this huge studio for 15 years and has recorded all kinds of name players turns to me while they were warming up and says..."who the fricken fuck is THIS guy. I have never heard better timing". Donald 'Duck' Dunn: heart of the best old rhythm section in the music business. Currently plays with Neil Young. Not flashy but theres a reason why so many love to have him in their band. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:27:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - November 2 On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Today in Joni History wrote: > 1980: The Los Angeles Times publishes a review of the "Shadows and Light" > album today, saying "Her version of Lymon's "Why Do Fools Fall in Love?" is > spirited but ragged in a way that suggests you had to be there to fully > appreciate it. That pretty much sums up the album as a whole: The music is > pleasant enough while the record is playing, but it just drifts away when > the needle rises from the turntable." > Read on at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/801102lat.cfm Just goes to show how wrong critics can be. Jerry np: Kathy Mattea - The Innocent Tears ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:52:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: he is too a saint -njc <> Thanks for the illumination, Pat! That's why I asked the question, to see if there was something I was missing, and there was...so thanks for that! And in order to spray some air freshener over my stinky pee-u comment about him being an "ain't", here's some good things I can say about Eric Clapton: - - 461 Ocean Boulevard: a fine, fine record! That guitar hook (while not technically masterful) on "Mainline Florida" is a gem! - - Even though his version was inferior, he raised the public's consiousness about Bob Marley with his recording of "I Shot the Sheriff". - - He had a knack for picking great songs and making them his own, like JJ Cale's "After Midnight" & "Cocaine". He has excellent interpretive skills - - Derek & The Dominos...'nuff said! - - Whether one likes him or not, he's been on the scene for 40 years or so, so he gets survivor points for that. Hopefully I'll be able to regain some Clapton-Karma! ;~) Bob NP: Bryan Thomas, "one-four" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:45:29 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Chuck Mitchell At 08:43 AM 11/2/2000, Steve wrote: >There was some discussion of Chuck awhile back. I believe that Les >has been in touch with him. Me Les?? Nope, I have never spoken with him. I do believe that Wally was talking with Chuck's brother at one point, but I think that's as close as anyone got. Les NP: Patty Larkin "Open Arms" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:28:19 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: Brad Mehldau NJC VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading I'm going to try and catch him when he plays a few shows in Wisconsin the February. I'm very excited to be able ot see him myself. I don't know about the song you mentioned-- but I do know that he does incredible covers. I have several versions of Radiohead songs, The Beatles' "Blackbird", and I just got the Space Cowboys Soundtrack because it has 3 Mehldau Covers, including Neil Young's "Old Man" and Paul Simon's "Still Crazy After All these Years." And yes-- he's definitely cutie. Check out his latest CD, "Places" for some nice pics. ;) eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Emily Kirk Gray Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:34 AM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: edwilcox@students.wisc.edu Subject: Brad Mehldau NJC to eric and others who mentioned brad mehldau -- i have to add that i saw him and his trio play a couple weeks ago at the village vanguard, and WOW! he was captivating. a beautiful, beautiful piano sound and technique, although i don't know all that much about these things. he played as an encore a cover of an old ballad called something like "in the fading of the evening" -- can anyone tell me what song this is? i cried, it was so incredibly stunning and moving. plus--mr. mehldau himself is pretty easy on the eyes, if i do say so myself! - --emily NP: "wolf that lives in lindsay" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:44:39 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Five Fave Guitarists VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading No particular order cos that's too hard:- John Renbourn Bert Jansch Stefan Grossman Joni Craig Ogden (classical guitarist from Oz who I went to see recently. Amazing) Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:58:07 -0500 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: another cover VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Howdy All, another cover just popped into my head, and I don't see it on the JMDL list of covers: For Free - Paul Horn (solo for flute). I used to listen to this when I was a kid (my Dad had the Paul Horn record, and mom had LOTC). I loved the crossover. SCBob was kind enough to send me a copy of Covers Vol. 11, which I love. Particularly the John Handy version of "Hissing..." Thank you, Bob! Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:06:13 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Bass guitarists, (oh my!) (md) VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading In a message dated 11/2/00 12:19:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << Jack Cassidy : The man is Deeeeep. The ocean upon which the Starship floated and the clouds upon which the Airplane flew. Listen to Surrealistic Pillow one more time for a real treat but watch your stereo speakers. >> Even better yet, listen to the early Hot Tuna albums or the recording of Voodoo Chile on Henrix's Electric Ladyland to really hear Jack play his eyebrows off! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:23:25 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: 5 Top Guitarists (NJC) VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Comparing BB and Clapton is like trying to suggest that just because Bill Gates could buy and sell Donald Trump 25 times over, that the Donald must be getting ready to go on welfare. Well that's just not the case. I could go you one further, and say that Otis Rush would make BB sound like he's "phoning it in" as you put it. As for "Riding With the King" -- best thing about that album is the royalty money being pocketed by one Mr. John Hiatt, songwriter of the title cut! I should qualify that statement by admitting that I am, for the most part, a graduate of the Lester Bangs School of the Blues ... ;-) Don Rowe ===== My debut CD "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:42:55 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: 5 Top Guitarists (NJC) VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe (snip) >As for "Riding With the King" -- best thing about that >album is the royalty money being pocketed by one Mr. >John Hiatt, songwriter of the title cut! I should >qualify that statement by admitting that I am, for the >most part, a graduate of the Lester Bangs School of >the Blues ... ;-) > >Don Rowe Let it blurt! - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:49:01 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Amazing Bass Guitarist (Jaco-related) VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe A couple of years ago I discovered Marco Mendoza, who is the greatest bass player (next to Jack Casady) I've ever seen live. His group Straightjacket often backs up the headliner at the little La Ve Lee jazz club I frequent. I've seen him with anywhere from Kenny Rankin to Jeff Pevar to Otmaro Ruiz to Pancho Sanchez and he absolutely blew everyone's mind everytime. He is also one of the most humble and sweet musicians I've ever met. His background parallels Carlos Santana's in that they both started out as teenagers in little clubs in their native Tijuana, Mexico. He can sing, too! Here is more information on him from bassplayer.com where he is compared to Jaco: MARCO MENDOZA - L.A. MONSTER "The next time you visit Los Angeles, skip the Universal Studios tour and catch Marco Mendoza and Straight Jacket. In a town where jaded indifference is a birthright, the incendiary power-soul-fusion trio has been nailing audiences to the back wall for five years with familiar R&B, jazz, and rock tunes covered in ways you'd never imagine. Consider the swamp-rock classic "Suzie Q": While Renato Neto's synth-horn blasts summon Earth, Wind & Fire and Joey Heredia's timbale solo evokes Tito Puente, Mendoza makes his fretless Fernandes 6-string simultaneously sound like Jaco and a synth bass. Add Marco's soulful, over-the-top vocals and the tune becomes a ska-inflected acid-R&B trip—not exactly Creedence Clearwater Revival! Straight Jacket's tight interaction, humor, and abrupt feel changes are captured on Mendoza, Heredia, Neto, Live in L.A. [Audiophile Imports, (410) 628-7601; www.cyboard.com/audiophile.html], recorded at the group's weekly club gig at La Ve Lee. "This trio is so compact, we can move things very quickly," says Marco, who is sometimes confused with Twisted Sister's Mark "the Animal" Mendoza. "We like to keep it very open; it's amazing what you get when you make that available. That's part of the magic." In addition to its steady L.A. gig the group has been touring Europe, Scandinavia, South America, and Canada. Although influenced by Jaco—the CD features a cover of "Teen Town" (which Marco doubles vocally)—Mendoza has developed a unique fretless voice. Muting, front-pickup plucking, and an unusual right-hand technique that borrows from his early classical- and flamenco-guitar days combine to create a deep, staccato style that brings to mind a Mini Moog synth. Mendoza flavors his lines with clever volume effects, selective two-handed tapping, harmonics, strummed chords, and octave slides, and he often doubles his bass parts with percussive vocal sounds. "Years ago I couldn't afford effects, so I started playing around, just having fun with different sounds," he explains. Marco plays fretted and fretless Fernandes 4's, 5's, and 6's, strung with LaBella Super Steps, through Eden WT-800 heads and Eden 410XLT and 210XLT cabinets. Recent credits include touring and recording with Thin Lizzy (taking over for the late Phil Lynott), Blue Murder's Nothing but Trouble and Japan Live [Geffen], and an upcoming Whitesnake disc on EMI. He can also be heard on the Cranberries' remake of Fleetwood Mac's "Go Your Own Way" and Pat Boone's controversial In a Metal Mood [Hip-O]. Switching from his chops-intensive fusion bag to slamming eighth-notes with a pick poses no problem for Marco. "My roots are in rock & roll—but playing different styles keeps you fresh. Whatever you learn in one style can be applied to others, which I find challenging." Even with his large palette of techniques, Mendoza never overplays; instead he knocks you over with his commitment, sense of fun, and passion for the music. "Eleven years ago, when I got clean from drugs and alcohol, I was given another chance to really appreciate what God has given me. I feel so grateful to be doing what I do. When I perform I remind myself it's a privilege. I try to stay in touch with that." —Ed Friedland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:34:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: 5 Top Guitarists (NJC) VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe <> No argument from me on that one, Don...and LOTS of names could be substituted for Otis Rush as well. My statement was that BB totally blows Clapton out of the water, and that once again Clapton shows superb judgement in teaming up with someone who can cover up his deficiencies. Aw shit, there I go again! ;~) <> And a double Amen to THAT as well...and he's got a GREAT new one out, "Crossing Muddy Waters"...he's changed from A&M, who never did a very good job of marketing him, to Vanguard and put out this Delta Blues almost demo-sounding record of original tunes. NP: U2, "Acrobat" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:56:12 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: another cover VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe <> Reuben, thanks for the tip, but are you SURE on this one? I know he did Chelsea Morning & Blue but I was unaware of this one... <> You're welcome, you won it fair & square! Glad you're loving it, it's a pretty awesome collection, and just keeps getting better every day! Bob NP: Jen Trynin, "Writing notes" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:08:35 -0500 From: "Brian Workman" Subject: Re: guitarists, pianists & bears (oh my!) NJC VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe What about the bear who used to mooch cookies on the old Andy Williams show? Brian (NJC and proud of it) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor Johnson To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 11:02 PM Subject: Re: guitarists, pianists & bears (oh my!) NJC > > > > bears: > > > > I won't tell you who my favorite bears are. > > > > Mark in Seattle > > > Favorite bears: > > > 1.Dancing Bear (from Captain Kangaroo) > 2.Paddington Bear > 3. The Grateful Dead bears > 4. Garcia > 5. Winnie the Pooh > > Victor > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:31:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: favorite pianists NJC VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe oh my god!!!!!! and carole king carole king carole king!!!!!!!!!! wallyK, who enjoys carole king's piano playing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:30:17 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Favorite pianists/keyboardists VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ok, we're talking pop and/or self-accompanists here. ellington, evans, robert holliston, horowitz, entremont, argerich, etc, i can't put them in the same category. i absolutely adore all the keyboardists that have played for rickie lee jones, especially: neil larsen michael ruff randy kerber you have to admit that they must be geniuses to be able to stress rather than obliterate rickie's idiosyncrasies. furthermore [in no order]: rickie lee jones laura nyro richard carpenter patrick moraz paul smith [played for ella] and then there are the hundreds of session pianists whose names i don't know or can't remember and who accompanied all the big names. i am so curious about fred simon, though! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de FredNow@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 02 de Noviembre de 2000 07:06 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Favorite pianists/keyboardists "Kakki" wrote: >Whether composer and/or performer - > >Laura Nyro >David Benoit >Stevie Wonder >Michael Ruff >Jimmy Webb >Joni >Billy Joel >Elton >Bill Champlin >Fred Simon (mee, too) >Tori Amos Kakki ... I love you, maaaan!! - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:54:06 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Don Freed article VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Is it just me, or did anyone else detect a sort of bitchy undertone to the Don Freed article posted earlier today? I came away with the impression of a committed artist versus a spoiled rich lady who just sits around a swimming pool all day. I'm not laying any blame on Don Freed, of course. But I wonder if the journalist had any sort of agenda. Or maybe I'm just *way* too over-sensitive. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 02:12:33 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Belinda Carlisle NJC VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe I'd never thought of them as being that similar, but I suppose they might be! They were popular around the same time - 1988/89. Yes, Belinda is as you describe, or she was after she'd re-invented herself upon leaving the Go-Gos in the mid-80s. I gather she was slightly plumper in those earlier days, and a bit of a rebel. Still lovely, I'm sure, but not quite the figure who had all the hits and sent many males (myself included) into *a bit of a state* ;-) I once remember Carol Decker telling a journo that her then husband - and member of T'Pau - really fancied Belinda Carlisle, so there's probably more of a similarity than I realised after all. T'Pau were an underrated band. Just another footnote in the "what the heck happened to them?" file, sadly. Funny how some acts just fade away. I was only thinking today why the likes of Neneh Cherry, Terence Trent D'Arby, Seal and Tasmin Archer never made it as big as they looked like being, and had the talent to be. Jason (who has *SIX* Belinda CDs, and *FOUR* T'Pau albums... ) catman wrote: > > I was watching a program which had a mystery guest. they showed her picture and I thought > 'that is Belinda Carlisle from T'Pau'. Well it wasn't. They introduced her later as Carol > Dekker from T'Pau. She is as I rememebr BC being-pretty red head. > So who is Belinda Carlisle? And what does she look like? Red head and pretty and slim? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:19:47 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Belinda Carlisle NJC VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe don't you all remember that horrible joke about belinda and karen carpenter that came out in the random notes section in rolling stone? when karen died, her brother created the karen carpenter foundation to further studies on eating disorders. more or less around that time, the go-go girls split and belinda carlisle lost a lot of weight. so rolling stone said that carlisle had donated all her excess fat to the karen carpenter foundation!!!! do admit! wallyK, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:19:56 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Belinda Carlisle NJC VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Funny how some acts just fade away. > I was only thinking today why the likes of Neneh Cherry, Terence Trent > D'Arby, Seal and Tasmin Archer never made it as big as they looked like > being, and had the talent to be. To my knowledge, Seal has only released three cds and the second was a pretty major success, I believe. Seems a little early to count him out. I thought 'Human Being' was a very good record. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:24:38 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: Belinda Carlisle NJC VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe I think Seal's first two records are wonderful. The second album was particularly strong. A combination that a particularly enjoy-- that of pop, r&b, and jazz-- flourises there. Seal's third record wasn't altogether bad-- but it lacked the craftmanship of the second record-- and it never really took off. I saw Seal on television recently saying that he took the failure in stride, and was working now on a fourth album which he feels will be his strongest yet. I, for one, am looking forward to see what's next for him. eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Mark or Travis Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:20 PM To: Jason Maloney; catman Cc: joni Subject: Re: Belinda Carlisle NJC VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Funny how some acts just fade away. > I was only thinking today why the likes of Neneh Cherry, Terence Trent > D'Arby, Seal and Tasmin Archer never made it as big as they looked like > being, and had the talent to be. To my knowledge, Seal has only released three cds and the second was a pretty major success, I believe. Seems a little early to count him out. I thought 'Human Being' was a very good record. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 03:31:00 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Belinda Carlisle NJC VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Mark or Travis wrote: > > To my knowledge, Seal has only released three cds and the second was a > pretty major success, I believe. Seems a little early to count him > out. I thought 'Human Being' was a very good record. True, but it was a disastrous flop commercially. I don't know if he'll recover from that, in today's business. I hope he does. I think he's a huge talent, fantastic artist and genuine guy. I saw an MTV Unplugged show of his recently, and I couldn't believe he isn't still topping the album charts. Human Being missed the Top 40 completely here in the UK. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:38:34 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Spoiler:politics(NJC) VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe I want to give everyone who doesn't want to discuss politics a warning.I am truly worried about this election.If Bush wins,it will be a nightmare for this country.He will cut funding for all programs that help people.He will ruin the enviorment.It will be a disaster,a true nightmare for everyone.I am disgusted about this.How could we come to this?Bush is such an ignorant,foolish,idiot.How could he actually become president? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #576 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?