From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #570 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Monday, October 30 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 570 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- the hobbit in you (NJC) [dogbyte@aloha.net (french)] asstrology [dogbyte@aloha.net (french)] NJC [dogbyte@aloha.net (french)] Re: One Tree Hill (NJC) long [Siresorrow@aol.com] hobbits and mark in seattle [dogbyte@aloha.net (french)] Re: Genuine junk male - nothing in particular ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Did I say That??? (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: virtuosi NJC - neil young ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: One Tree Hill (NJC) ["Happy The Man" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #569 [StDoherty@aol.com] Trees NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: joni's BD card ["joe farrell" ] Joni tidbits [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re.Neil & Joni's Guitar play ["Steve" ] Nick Drake for Beginners - NJC ["Eric Wilcox" ] If you can................... (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] The younger generation (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: trees and Joni B'day Card (NJC) [mags ] Re: Did I say That??? (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni Mitchell Companion, revised [Stacey4882@aol.com] Everything you wanted to know...(NJC) [Michael Paz ] RE: Joni Mitchell Companion, revised ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Trees NJC [dsk ] Storm NJC [catman ] RE: Storm NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Storm NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:24:42 -1000 (HST) From: dogbyte@aloha.net (french) Subject: the hobbit in you (NJC) mark in seattle wrote; >(Bilbo >climbing the tree in Mirkwood always reminded me of it) hey mark, the hobbit and the trilogy entertained me tremendously in my earlier years. gandalf, gollum ,orks, dwarfs, faries, black riders, seven rings, one ring to bind them, one ring to find them, deep fond feelings of the journey for me , thanks for the memory, i know i still have jr's books somewhere in a box in the attic. i shall search for them ......an old friend to be reaquainted , i first read the hobbit/trilogy when i was 20 or so.....ok now you've sent me on a mission...dean ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:42:11 -1000 (HST) From: dogbyte@aloha.net (french) Subject: asstrology wally kai pointed out that; capricorns are "ambitious, >power-driven and ruthless" goats wally kai my friend, i know that our b'days are much close and i must admit that in certain cases as life goes on we may be power driven and ruthless goats but i still have a soft spot in my heart for all the other unfortunate ones that could'nt quite make it to this level in their life..... so can we be defined as 'compassionate' power driven ruthless goats?????....define 'ruthless'...dean ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 00:03:29 -1000 (HST) From: dogbyte@aloha.net (french) Subject: NJC >it's julius the coolius's birthday today!!! care to join to me in the >celebration? HAPPY FUCKING BIRTHDAY JULIUS, from dean in the islands, ok what did i do with that roach???? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 05:08:18 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: One Tree Hill (NJC) long In a message dated 10/27/00 9:36:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << I've been through the Redwoods in Northern California several times. Those forests have an aura of mystery about them that is palpable to me. >> having grown up and lived my whole life on the east coast, i never saw a redwood until 1994. by that point, my wife and i had three children and had not been away from them since our first was born in 1989. i had to go to san francisco for a two week trip and we worked it out with our inlaws to cover the kids for us. first, just being away from three kids was pretty cool. then we toured all over san francisco and napa valley. and we stayed in the ritz and had tea there every day. so all that was really really nice. but the highpoint for me was going to a redwood forest that was maybe an hour or two north of san francisco...i'm thinking...muir woods??? what ever the name was, it was something i've never seen before. the forest was very lush and the trees were just so impressive and inviting. at one point, we were both tired and it was early after noon...so we just sat down and took a nap outside under a red wood. i've been thirty nine years on the east coast and i've never seen anything like the red woods over here. although...jimmy's mango tree sounded like a pretty intimate place. patrick np. cat whining ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:25:31 -1000 (HST) From: dogbyte@aloha.net (french) Subject: hobbits and mark in seattle hey mark , i found my box of put-away book stuff, after your post referring to JRR's books i was kind of obsessed, thank you for the inspiration, it begins; three rings for the elven-kings under the sky, seven for the dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, nine for mortal men doomed to die, one for the dark lord on his dark throne in the land of mordor where the shadows lie. one ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them in the land of mordor where the shadows lie.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:15:55 -0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Genuine junk male - nothing in particular - ----- Original Message ----- >From: william: Any Joni relevant to Hello'ween? In 1976/7 (?) Joni was invited to a Hallowe'en party and she couldn't find anything to dress up as. On the street she passed a black guy walking a kind of diddybop step and he said something to her (like, cool sister, cool, or somthing like that) so she thought, 'That was cool!' and popped into a theatrical dress shop bought a wig and clothes and went blackface to the party. No-one recognised her The character came up again as Art Nouveau on the front cover of DJRD and in the short film she did. I think it's in one of the articles on the jmdl site. Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:05:36 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: asstrology In a message dated 10/29/00 4:51:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, dogbyte@aloha.net writes: << define 'ruthless'...dean >> Definition of "ruthless" == without compassion ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:23:21 -0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Genuine junk male - nothing in particular and here's the original quote from Q magazine: Joni Mitchell: So there came Halloween, and I was walking down Hollywood Boulevard. There were a lot of people out on the street wearing wigs and paint and masks, and I was thinking, What can I do for a costume? Then a black guy walked by me with a New York diddybop kind of step, and he said in the most wonderful way, (croons) Lookin' good, sister, lookin' gooood. His spirit was infectious and I thought, I'll go as him. I bought the make-up, the wig, the sideburns, I went into a sleazy menswear and bought a sleazy hat and a sleazy suit and that night I went to a Halloween party and nobody knew it was me, nobody. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:01:01 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: RE: trees and Joni B'day Card (NJC) Jim, Sue and Rose: the card is wonderful! I almost shed a tear I was so touched by it... and it ain't even my birthday! Mags wrote about trees: This is wonderful, Mags... and Ashara, thanks so much for pointing us in the direction of your short essay on Mother Earth. If only more folks would take the time... I bought my house in great part due to the oak trees spread out over the property. Some of them are three and four hundred years old. I feel their energy and distinct personalities and thank them every day when I come and go from the house. I marvel at the rhythmic way they unfailingly signal the change of season - fall and spring. Here on the mountain, the golden leaves are already providing a winter blanket for the earth below. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread... one of the nicest I've read on the list in a couple of years being here. BTW, while we're on this Nature kick, if any of you out there know how I can keep the friggin' woodpeckers from destroying the wood siding on my house, please email me direct!! Don ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:33:21 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Did I say That??? (NJC) Kate wrote: "Atty May's sounds like a lot of fun but didn't Paz say something about New Orleans revisited? New Orleans is a lot closer you know & I have a song I wrote about my one & only visit to that part of the world that I can't wait to bring back there to play!" Did I say that??? I must be out of my fricking mind. I HAVE (I admit) been flirting with the idea. It occured to me that it would be great to have a CD release party at the site of the original event and invite the original cast and others to particpate. I am still fleshing it (NO SALACIOUS COMMENTS FROM YOU JIMMY!!!) all out in mind. I promise to work out all the details of getting this music out to you and worry about the party later. I would have to get some ChiggerNet Stockings for Kakki and Bob Muller to wear and there would be SO many other details to take care of. Back to the think tank (which is right next door to the duplication tank where we are copying performances for all the artists that participated in last years event). Paz NP-(on My Sonicnet Radio Station)Thick As a Brick (The LOOOOOONNNGGGG Version)-Jethro Tull ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:58:32 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: virtuosi NJC - neil young > of all the players you listed, this one here was my favorite for years and > years. i wanted nothing more than to play like martin. but i couldn't learn > the modes at a young age so i had to live with just hearing them. From a non-musician here, my favorite is probably Jorma Kaukonen and nobody ever seems to mention him. To me he has a highly distinctive style and he is proficient on both electric and acoustic. Listen to the guitar on 'Somebody To Love' and then the beautiful acoustic solo 'Embryonic Journey.' And at the risk of getting that sycophant label tagged on me, I think Joni is also a unique and accomplished guitarist. Maybe she doesn't play rapid-fire electric licks that blow me away but what she does play engages me in an entirely different way. Does that make her any less good? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:17:55 -0800 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: RE: One Tree Hill (NJC) I own a lot in Cambria. It is where I had planned to move when I was called there. My neighbor called and said one of my trees was falling into his property. I have two good size oak trees that only a fool would want removed. Well to make a long story short I had a city inspector look at it and the other one (you have to do that in Cambria they will not let you trim or cut a tree down unless you have city approval and though I don't think that is a bad thing I just don't agree with it). They said one tree was dying and had to be cut down and then replaced with another tree and the other was fine just needed some trimming. Total cost $3,218.00. I love my trees, I love them more now, don't #$%@ with my trees. I took a few days off last year and drove down the coast of california from Leslie's Santa Cruz till I turned back. It is amazing even with moist evenings how a tree provides the perfect shelter from the elements. I spent the night for three straight nights just throwing a blanket on the ground with my sleeping bag. Only to wake up staring at these fingers reaching to the heavens. It's the things that dreams are made of. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:16:36 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #569 I wish I could sign up for the digest that has just Joni content .. but I think I made some mistakes when subscribing. I started over, but still am getting EVERYTHING. I do love the information on Joni and the very interesting coversation .. but never read the NJC. Any suggestion about what I've done wrong? Tim Doherty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:13:34 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Trees NJC A few minutes ago every tree was excited, bowing to the roaring storm, waving, swirling, tossing their branches in glorious enthusiasm like worship. But though to the outer ear these trees are now silent, their songs never cease. Every hidden cell is throbbing with music and life, every fiber thrilling like harp strings, while incense is ever flowing from the balsam bells and leaves. No wonder the hills and groves were God's first temples, and the more they are cut down and hewn into cathedrals and churches, the farther off and dimmer seems the Lord himself. - - John Muir ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:10:00 -0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: Re: joni's BD card The card looks lovely,i'm sure she'll love it. Well done to all who contributed. Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:06:57 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Joni tidbits Well gang, I finally went to see "Almost Famous" and the brief Joni mentions in the movie sent me jumping up and down in my seat like a moron. Seeing the Cameron Crowe character thumb through his sister's albums and stopping at Blue brought back my memories of those years. I thought that the movie was well made and for me, really summed up what is missing from popular music today: the passion and love for music as a lifestyle, as a message and as a meaningful way of life. Joni also had a brief mention in the October 9th issue of US where Cameron Crowe interviews Kate Hudson and comments that playing Joni's "River" brought out some of her best performances in the film. Lastly, I've been on vacation all this past week and like a moron, did not unsub from the list. Thus, I am sitting here looking at 4,375 email messages in my inbasket. Of course, of them, 219 are AOL's own peculiar brand of spam: (xxxxxxxhottaylorham.com click here), but the rest is list stuff. Since I have to let my kids out of the holding pen soon, I'm about to delete a week's worth of postings. If anyone has sent me something off list, please resend it! If you haven't, well, now's the time to send me something! MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:09:19 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions NJC IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: >>You overlooked one of Neil's best, but often overlooked albums, his >>first, eponymous album, Neil Young, from 1969. "I've Been Waiting >>for You," "The Old Laghing Lady," "I've Loved Her So Long" and other >>outstanding songs. I'd rank ahead of On the Beach on your list. Hear here. I was waiting for someone to mention Neil's brilliant first album, which, along with its successor, After the Gold Rush, and Harvest are my three favorites of his. This may be heresy to some, but Neil's songwriting has become less and less interesting to me over the years. But this is true of a lot of writers from back then, including C, S, and N. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:14:34 -0000 From: "Steve" Subject: Re.Neil & Joni's Guitar play Hi Patrick, thanks for keepin this thread going, it is of course all about opinion and I respect your's. patrick wrote <<<<.....how many note's per minute can you play on a guitar with a bow? to me, the issue of virtuoso was more...who did what first? not many people will say much more has ever been done with an electric guitar than what jimmi hendrix did. he was the qunatum change. after that...it was shades of change.>> I'm sure a lot of people will argue that Joni and Neil have put in quite a few virtuoso performances ( I've been listening to one of Joni's at Carnegie Hall 72 ) and I've witnessed quite a few of Neil's.But then again I'll admit to a small bias on both artists. Whilst I'm the first to admit that Jimi was a unique talent, he did in fact "copy" lots of licks from his fellow black bluesmen pre-making it. He did take the raw blues and present it in a way that took the "pop" world by storm. Remember that, no doubt influenced by Jimi's colour, he was unable to get a solo record deal in the States. It was only when Jimi came to England and his amazing talent was packaged by his manager Chas Chandler that Jimi got his deserved success and recognition. I'll admit he was a quantum change to the way electric players practised their craft. <<>> Again I disagree. Just like Jimi, Joni took her own early folk style, and married that with the modal tunings that some of her contemporaries in the folk clubs in Toronto ( among others) were experimenting with. To my ears and many of the female songwriters who came after her Joni has created and mastered that style of guitar playing, an real innovator to my mind. Now Neil, he's admitted to being influenced by Hank Marvin(of the Shadows), Bert Jansch (the Scottish innovative acoustic player) and Jimi himself. Neil's taken his limited fretzipping skills and married them to create a totally unique sound, especially the one note solos. In my Humble opinion, that makes Jimi unique, it also makes Joni unique and it makes Neil unique in their own creation of completely different *sounds*. Many other guitar players that you mentioned Clapton/Page/Howe are fine players IMHO but aren't unique enough for my ears. Now as for my own style it's pretty unique too, nobody could possibly play as badly as me ! In music everyone's an expert, that's part of the fun of it, and there are as many opinions as there are combinations of sounds. What do you mean ? Of course Status Quo have a unique and innovative sound ..... ...........................Steve, the impossible guitar player ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:56:05 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: Nick Drake for Beginners - NJC Hello everyone! I'm recovering from a crazy Halloween weekend, and I'm finally honoring my promise to get into Nick Drake. Where's a good place to start? Which album(s) are definitive? Thanks for the help! eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:03:48 MST From: "karla subero" Subject: Joni on Elm Street mag cover To Canadian folks, Joni's on the cover of this month's Elm Street magazine. The article, however, is the same on you can find written by her pal Anne Bayin at jonimitchell.com But if you like seeing Joni on covers of magazines, go for this one if you like. - -kol _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:34:35 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: If you can................... (NJC) If you can start the day without a cigarette, If you can start the day without caffeine, If you can get going without pep pills, If you can always be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains, If you can resist complaining and boring people with your troubles, If you can eat the same food everyday and be grateful for it, If you can understand when your loved ones are too busy to give you any time, If you can overlook it when those you love take it out on you when, through no fault of yours, something goes wrong, If you can take criticism and blame without resentment, If you can ignore friends' limited education and never correct them, If you can resist treating a rich friend better than a poor friend, If you can face the world without lies and deceit, If you can conquer tension without medical help, If you can relax without liquor, If you can sleep without the aid of drugs, If you can say honestly that deep in your heart you have no prejudice against creed, color, religion or politics, Then, my friend, you are almost as good as your dog. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:19:17 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: october 28!!!!!!!!!!!!!! njc Jimmy and All: Thank you for your sweet birthday wishes. The b-day was great, as was my week in New York City visiting with May, Alison, Jeff, Patrick, Rose (and Rose's brother Nick)and Nikki (more on NYC later). I've been so blessed this time around. The music has been all good...and plenty! Thanks again. And the seasons, they go 'round and 'round... - -Julius << Happy Birthday Julius you gorgeous man with the best smile in the world!! Hope you have a wonderful day filled with lots of music and love!!! Jimmy >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:32:35 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: october 28!!!!!!!!!!!!!! njc You know I have to be late in everything...so HAPPY BIRTHDAY! What did you do for your birthday? And looking forward to hear all about NYC! it was great to see everyone. Love Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > JRMCo1@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 6:19 PM > To: FMYFL@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: october 28!!!!!!!!!!!!!! njc > > > Jimmy and All: > > Thank you for your sweet birthday wishes. The b-day was great, as was my > week in New York City visiting with May, Alison, Jeff, Patrick, Rose (and > Rose's brother Nick)and Nikki (more on NYC later). I've been so > blessed this > time around. The music has been all good...and plenty! Thanks again. > > And the seasons, they go 'round and 'round... > > -Julius > > > << Happy Birthday Julius you gorgeous man with the best smile in > the world!! > > Hope you have a wonderful day filled with lots of music and love!!! > > > Jimmy > >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:12:12 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC LOL! No more for you, Dean. Thanks for the effing b-day greeting! You and your son play me a birthday song, why don't ya? I'll be listening closely to the pacific winds... - -Julius << HAPPY FUCKING BIRTHDAY JULIUS, from dean in the islands, ok what did i do with that roach????>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:57:30 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: The younger generation (NJC) marcel wrote: "Having said that Im not sure how many guitar players today are close to several who were youngsters in the 60's and 70's. Jeff beck, Jimi, Jimmy Page, David Gilmore, Alvin Lee, I could go on. Im not aware of any true creative virtuosos today although maybe some of the young fans can correct me." Well Marcel, being a MUCH younger man than you, I still have an ear for young talent out there. Check out Tim Reynolds who has a live record out with Dave Matthews. Both of these guys are amazing on guitar. Dave has an incredible sense of chord chops and song structure qand of course all of his songs are about drinking, getting high, and fucking so they are at least interesting. But Tim is quite a soloist and on acoustic too! On the jazz side of things there are always real talents out there. Check out Mark Whitfield from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Also check out Tommy Malone of subdudes and Tiny Town fame (also a Louisiana boy from just a couple of miles upriver from Chez Paz). Your younger bro, Paz NP-Sonicnet Radio-Song For Sharon-Joni Mitchell (Hi Kenny!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:34:05 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: trees and Joni B'day Card (NJC) I dont know anything about the advice you seek re: woodpeckers Don, but thanks for the nice thoughts re my words. If I could, I would inhale the spirit of trees.I adore them. I wrote off list about the wonderful effect of light through leaves...it renders me absolutely speechless. I try to come up with the words in order that I might somehow convey how it affects me. Impossible. Oh, I absolutely adore them.The long version of my beloved willow tree story by the river is pretty sad. Oh well. Glad you are enjoying this thread . It is special. As was Ashara's story. Kindred spirits everywhere...which is why I love this list. and I agree, the bday card for Joni is absolutely gorgeous, endearing, heartfelt. Im sure she will love it. Mags. Don Sloan wrote: > Jim, Sue and Rose: the card is wonderful! I almost shed a tear I was so > touched by it... and it ain't even my birthday! > > Mags wrote about trees: > > lies within > each one. Imagine what trees have seen. The stories they could tell. The > lives > they could unfold. Magic.> > > This is wonderful, Mags... and Ashara, thanks so much for pointing us in > the direction of your short essay on Mother Earth. If only more folks > would take the time... > > I bought my house in great part due to the oak trees spread out over the > property. Some of them are three and four hundred years old. I feel > their energy and distinct personalities and thank them every day when I > come and go from the house. I marvel at the rhythmic way they > unfailingly signal the change of season - fall and spring. Here on the > mountain, the golden leaves are already providing a winter blanket for > the earth below. > > Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread... one of the > nicest I've read on the list in a couple of years being here. > > BTW, while we're on this Nature kick, if any of you out there know how I > can keep the friggin' woodpeckers from destroying the wood siding on my > house, please email me direct!! > > Don - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:44:49 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Did I say That??? (NJC) In a message dated 10/29/00 12:50:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > release party at the site of the original event and invite the original cast > and others to particpate.> Great Michael, I'll start making my plane reservations now! That's so sweet of you to have another New Orleans Joni-fest! Who, me???  You must be getting me confused with my son Wally. He's the one with the *salacious* comments. "Now your kids are coming up straight And my child's a stranger I bore him But I could not raise him" Looking forward to New Orleans again Michael :~) Jimmy         ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:57:39 EST From: Stacey4882@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell Companion, revised Hey everyone, Now that Music Sales, Corp has bought out my publisher, Schirmer Books, it looks like The Joni Mitchell Companion may well go into a second printing! Which means...they'll be able to correct the errors! So, here's calling all eagle-eyed JMDLers to write in with your favorite (or least favorite) typos and gaffes. Here are the big ones I already know of: Page 169—delete photo (it’s of Rikki Lee Jones and Bonnie Raitt, not Joni and Bonnie!) Page 135—pic is of Tim Hardin, Stephen Stills, and Joni, not Hoyt Axton, Stephen, & Joni (thanks, Leslie!) Part Six, first article—all the little eighth notes should be flat signs (sigh). Part Five, "Birthday Suite" must be credited to Hilton Als (that one was my error). My name must be correctly spelled on the cover (Stacey, not Stacy). Delete all "SFL"s (my initials) after italicized intros to articles (not needed). Also: There is a chance that I'll get to do an EXPANDED edition of the book to make it more up to date and maybe better in other ways, too. So, any thoughts/suggestions toward that end will also be much appreciated. I'll keep you posted on developments. Steve Wilson, the marketing fellow at Music Sales, seems highly competent and very motivated to keep Joni on the shelves. Hurray! Perhaps finally this book will have decent marketing!! Thanks in advance for your help, Stacey Luftig ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:59:05 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Everything you wanted to know...(NJC) WallyK wrote: "and last and also least...just kidding, just kidding!!!!! 5 fearless, pioneering [but so terribly self-centered] arieses." OHMYGAWD Wally- You mean the universe doesn't revolve around me? Oh Shit! Michael NP-The Old Laughing Lady-Neil Young ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:08:37 -0500 From: "Brian Workman" Subject: Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions NJC Appreciate the votes for the first Neil album. In my view, there's not a real bad Neil album... but I personally love On the Beach. Not a chart topper, for sure, but there's some songs that speak to me...On the Beach, Ambulance Blues, Walk On, See The Sky About to Rain, Motion Pictures. Hence, my list. Brian - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 5:09 PM Subject: Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions NJC > IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > > >>You overlooked one of Neil's best, but often overlooked albums, his > >>first, > eponymous album, Neil Young, from 1969. "I've Been Waiting > >>for You," "The Old > Laghing Lady," "I've Loved Her So Long" and other > >>outstanding songs. > I'd rank ahead of On the Beach on your list. > > Hear here. > > I was waiting for someone to mention Neil's brilliant first album, which, > along with its successor, After the Gold Rush, and Harvest are my three > favorites of his. > > This may be heresy to some, but Neil's songwriting has become less and less > interesting to me over the years. But this is true of a lot of writers from > back then, including C, S, and N. > > -Fred Simon > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:39:38 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re.Neil & Joni's Guitar play In a message dated 10/29/00 5:45:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, rustiescot@LineOne.net writes: << In my Humble opinion, that makes Jimi unique, it also makes Joni unique and it makes Neil unique in their own creation of completely different *sounds*. Many other guitar players that you mentioned Clapton/Page/Howe are fine players IMHO but aren't unique enough for my ears. >> i think the way i wrote my text was confusing. i was saying that neil and joni together make up one language of guitar playing...that of chord based, open or closed, alternate tuned or standard, mixed with vocal harmonys and lyrics and in neil's case, a harmonica while in joni's case a voice that works like a harmonica. i think jimmi's is the language of guitar playing shared by clapton, page, and howe. they don't need to sing along with their guitars. so i was separating the lead players from the chord players. and to compare them as guitar players i still think doesn't work because they are speaking different languages on the instruments. to this day, one of the biggest thrills i have had was to watch steve howe play "the clap" live. neither joni or neil could ever do that. i'm convinced of that. joni doesn't know the fret board well enough and neil is a flat picker. some might want to argue that, some might not like me saying that, but i believe based on what i have heard them do. and remember, i identified myself as a big neil fan earlier and as one who learned many of his songs. so i'm not down on neil young. but i do think eric and jimmy and jimmi could all do (have done) that. they might change it some, but they could all play the clap, which is pretty unique of a song in my book. that's why i can't compare the two groupings. at the same time, i can't say which one is better. they are just so different, though quite ingenuous in their own rites. you know if you ever look closely at eric clapton's lyrics, you will see he really struggles there. they are very plain and masculine. almost rough to a degree. remind me of huck finn trying to thread a needle. yet his later stuff really communicates through the words. and his guitar playing has simplified significantly. but he can't paint with words the way joni or neil can. and he never will. where as joni and neil have no problem there at all. i think the reason why neil plays such simple leads is because he can't do anything else. but that does'nt degrade him in my understanding. he has so many other gifts that are unique to him. but he's not a lead player and nor is joni. and to say he plays one note so piercingly beautiful and those other guys are just old speed demons who just repeat the same old phrases....that just not objective enough for me. i'd rather say, because neil feels so deeply, he can make one note work. but if he could play better, he'd make more notes work. and at the same time, eric can say thing with simple words. but if had a better grasp of language, he could write better lyrics. they both have different strengths. why can't we just say that? patrick np. dire straits- private investigations ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:50:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: the day i saw a tree fly (NJC) last january, a wind storm damaged the trees in the garden at the back of my apartment building. my house-sitter called me to new york, where i was spending my vacations, because the tenants' council had to decide what to do about the trees that were about to fall. i said that they had to be left alone, that trees have a way to re-invent themselves. because they needed my vote to cut down the trees, the tenants and the building owner were forced to leave the trees as they were. unfortunately, the winds in this city are very strong, and in april, with the first frost, they pick up even more speed and strength. a few days after easter, i was looking out the window when a sudden gust of southern, frigid wind swept through the garden. and then another. and another. during the next minutes, i saw how an old avocado tree, as high as a 6-story building, fought for its life. this is no metaphor -- i could see the tree bending and swaying, almost as if it were changing positions and negotiating, while the wind grew to gale proportions. i heard windows explode in several apartments. and then, i witnessed the most amazing thing i've ever seen in my life: there was a loud crack and then -- i swear to god -- a ROAR, and the avocado tree broke in half: the huge, leafy top flew away like dorothy's house in the wizard of oz!!! to this day, i still believe that in a tree-like fashion the avocado tree made a decision: lose the half that will grow again, but keep your roots where they belong. spring is back, and the half-tree is not a half anymore. it's certainly shorter but it is so much stronger than before. i hope i'll be as wise as the avocado tree the next time i lose a lover. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:51:58 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Re.Neil & Joni's Guitar play In a message dated 10/29/00 9:45:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Siresorrow@aol.com writes: << i was saying that neil and joni together make up one language of guitar playing...that of chord based, open or closed, alternate tuned or standard, mixed with vocal harmonys and lyrics and in neil's case, a harmonica while in joni's case a voice that works like a harmonica. i think jimmi's is the language of guitar playing shared by clapton, page, and howe. they don't need to sing along with their guitars. >> There must be other guitar languages as well. Doc Watson, Leo Kottke, BB King. How many? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:00:30 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #569 NJC << Any suggestion about what I've done wrong? >> Don't know, Tim, but it must have been something REALLY bad! :~D Bob NP: Hole, "Doll Parts", San Francisco 3/10/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:02:13 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Nick Drake for Beginners - NJC > Hello everyone! > > I'm recovering from a crazy Halloween weekend, and I'm finally honoring my > promise to get into Nick Drake. Where's a good place to start? Which > album(s) are definitive? > > Thanks for the help! > eric There is a great one disc compilation entitled "Way to Blue- an Introduction to Nick Drake", or you can jump right in like I did and get the boxed set "Fruit Tree" which contains all four of his albums: Five Leaves Left, Bryter Lyter, Pink Moon, and Time of No Reply(released after his death). All of them are definitive and all of them are essential. You can't really go wrong. Though I would probably start with FLL. Also, there is an excellent website called the Nick Drake files from out of Sweden where you can find out just about anything about Nick Drake. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:05:04 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Companion, revised << Also: There is a chance that I'll get to do an EXPANDED edition of the book to make it more up to date and maybe better in other ways, too. So, any thoughts/suggestions toward that end will also be much appreciated. >> Well hey there, Stacey! Congratulations on the second printing and expanded edition! You could add a chapter about all the Joni covers out there! ;~) Looks like I'll have to be buying a second copy... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:21:48 -0500 From: Heather Subject: Halloween - SJC I should be studying .... I have a little outfit for my 16 month old granddaughter. I got her a little blond wig and one of those small ukuleles (to use as a guitar). Care to guess who she is for Halloween? ;-) My daughter thinks I'm nuts. Just wanted to share ...... Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:22:32 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell Companion, revised congratulations, stacey! your book is very useful. i second bob's motion. and i think that there should be a little more information about the joni mitchell page and the discussion list. after all, they are true indicators of joni's influence and dimension. thanks! wallyK << Also: There is a chance that I'll get to do an EXPANDED edition of the book to make it more up to date and maybe better in other ways, too. So, any thoughts/suggestions toward that end will also be much appreciated. >> Well hey there, Stacey! Congratulations on the second printing and expanded edition! You could add a chapter about all the Joni covers out there! ;~) Looks like I'll have to be buying a second copy... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:25:34 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Companion, revised I am happy for you, Stacey; not everyone gets to have a second go-round and correct publishers' screw-ups. It means your book is succeeding (or as the record company dude said to Joni, "pushing digits.") David Lahm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:56:08 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: people's parties (NJC) As there's been all this talk about guitarists lately, I thought I would share this story. I went to a couple of parties this weekend, dressed as a vampire. The first one was just a private party a friend of mine was playing at so I went for awhile and listened to her band. The second party was at my voice teacher's house and was sort of a housewarming party. We got there kind of early and just sort of hung for awhile, waiting for people to come. I had this feeling that this could be a really cool party and then that other feeling of, well we don't need to stay a long time but we'll just hang out and see what happens. As people started to arrive, I saw many I didn't know and a few I had met a couple of times. I saw one friend(this is kind of strange) who I never see but twice in the past couple of years, I have run into at parties that she came to only because she happened to be dating someone who knows the same person I do. Anyway, there were maybe about 25 or so people and the party was starting to pick up some. This one guy had brought his guitar with him and I think I was the only other guitar player there. But at some point, I went outside on the deck to play a couple of tunes. I had played some Eagles and a Neil Young tune for a few people, when this other guy came out with his guitar to play some. Now here's the cool thing. It turns out he plays guitar for the group WAR, and has been with them for two and a half years now. He told me they're currently working on a new album. Anway, we had the most amazing jam. I mean this guy is such an increbibly talented guitarist and could play along on anything I was doing, and not only did he have great control over the fretboard but his playing was very tasteful and seemed to blend right in. We started out with "Southern Man", and then an original of mine, "Walking into the Sun". I followed that with my song about Hobbits, we did an instrumental of his, and then Styx "Crystal Ball"( one of my favorite old Styx songs) closing out with some more originals, "Dreaming of You"(which he said I should consider a standard) and "Broken Candles". I've never really played with anyone of that caliber before and it was really inspiring. It really gave me a feel for where these songs can go. Apparently, my friend's sister was the MC at a show that WAR did recently in Atlanta and they fell in love on stage. So he came with her to the housewarming party. It was definately the highlight of my weekend. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:41:51 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Trees NJC After the "all over the place in every way" week I've had, reading these stories about trees is such a pleasure. They remind me of my favorite trees, as though they're cherished companions, and make me think of roots, both literal ones and personal ones. The first tree I knew well was a mimosa that grew by the side of the road in front of the house I grew up in. I'd climb way up into it, and loved the smooth bark, the fan-like leaves and the fuzzy pink flowers and especially that one strong branch that hung over the road. I could hang on that one and swing and twirl over, and never worried about falling. Somehow that tree took care of me and it was never scary until it was time to climb down. There were huge oaks surrounding another part of the yard, and one of my favorite things to do in the summer was to lay flat on my back in the grass and look at the sun through the branches, like swaying lace, dark against the bright sun and cloudless blue sky. That truly was a beautiful sight (and unlike most of the things I tried, not at all dangerous). And there was the tickle of the grass and being completely alone and physically vulnerable but warmed by the sun and protected by those huge trees. Those weren't the words I would have used then, of course. Then it just felt good and I loved what I saw. There was always some wind in those high branches so it was a constantly changing sight, with the rays of light shooting through at different places. One of those oaks was near the house, next to my bedroom, and protecting the porch. One day when I was a teenager I heard my parents talking about cutting it down and I was immediately upset and arguing and asking why, and saying no, no, no. (They're looking at me as though thinking, Where did we get this wild alien kid?) In their minds it was a very simple decision. The tree was too near the house, the roots were going to damage the house, it was not a big deal. I fought with them all week about it and my siblings did too (more wild alien kids). There was no more explanation and there was to be no discussion at all about it. So on that Saturday morning, there were noises outside and I remember opening an eye and seeing all the sunlight in the room and looking out the window and seeing this magnificent tree without its branches and with ropes around it about to be pulled down into the yard. I burst into tears. And from then on saw my parents as hard-hearted killers. The tree was cut off about three feet from the ground and all the branches just hauled away somewhere, thrown away. I felt angry and incredibly sad everytime I saw the stump with all its rings clearly visible. Then my argument to the tree-killers was to at least cut the tree down completely instead of leaving part of it exposed like that. It was as though the tree needed a dignified burial and leaving part of it behind was insulting. It was truly a living thing to me that was to be treated with dignity, and if the decision was made to destroy it, at least do that with some respect. Well, that didn't make sense to anyone except me and my sisters, so it was a long time, at least a year, before my father finally sawed off the trunk near the ground and grass started growing over it, and once the earth reclaimed it I could let it go. Years later I realized how different the viewpoints about that incident were -- I didn't spend any money at all on that house that could possibly be damaged by the tree's roots and my parents are very practical people and.... well, I still miss that tree. So, Dean, if you have an extra green pin, please put one on the map at Dunn Loring, Virginia, where the roots still exist but don't do any damage at all. And thank you also for your description of the Japanese feeling toward trees. Makes perfect sense to me. My close-at-hand favorite tree is a slender crooked one outside my apartment window in a patch of ground in the sidewalk. It covers my windows with leaves in the summer and makes a pattern on the walls in the winter and just the fact that it grows at all amid this hard greyness amazes me. And it's big enough to house some very noisy birds, so even though it's modest in size, it's a comfort to many living creatures, myself included. Debra Shea NP: Richard Thompson Hand of Kindness ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:12:22 +0000 From: catman Subject: Storm NJC Well here we are being battered by 90mph winds. Chaos, particularly in the south. Up early cause it so noisy. Trees are coming down all over the place. Back in 87 when we had the Hurricane, Sevenoaks lost 6 of it's seven oaks. Looks like John will be staying home today. Hope all our UK listers are okay and escaping the worst. So far we have not had any damage here. The dogs are barking at all the noise. A tornado(!) caused a lot of damage in Bognor Regis on Saturday. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:34:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Storm NJC - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de catman Enviado el: Lunes, 30 de Octubre de 2000 04:12 a.m. Para: joni Asunto: Storm NJC Well here we are being battered by 90mph winds. Chaos, particularly in the south. Up early cause it so noisy. Trees are coming down all over the place. Back in 87 when we had the Hurricane, Sevenoaks lost 6 of it's seven oaks. Looks like John will be staying home today. Hope all our UK listers are okay and escaping the worst. So far we have not had any damage here. The dogs are barking at all the noise. A tornado(!) caused a lot of damage in Bognor Regis on Saturday. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:38:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Storm NJC colin! how terrible!!!! i'm so happy to hear that john, the babies and you are fine. now, les ross, where are you? are you fine, hon? wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de catman Enviado el: Lunes, 30 de Octubre de 2000 04:12 a.m. Para: joni Asunto: Storm NJC Well here we are being battered by 90mph winds. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #570 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?