From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #568 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Saturday, October 28 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 568 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Will the real Don Juan please stand up? [CarltonCT@aol.com] RE: Will the real Don Juan please stand up? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Will the real Don Juan please stand up? ["Kakki" ] Re: Ronstadt/Stills NJC ["Hell" ] Re: astro census results njc [FMYFL@aol.com] NJC: Searching Dennis Loeng [Manno Toshikazu ] Re: astro census results njc ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment (SJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: partaking njc ["Lori R. Fye" ] zodiac (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] David Lahm Cabaret [Emily Kirk Gray ] Re: virtuosi NJC - neil young [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: astro census results njc [mags ] Neil Young Album Buying suggestions ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Today in Joni History - October 27 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment (SJC) (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Joni's MOA Comment (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: joni came to tea [Catherine McKay ] NJC Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: One Tree Hill (NJC) long [Siresorrow@aol.com] RE: astro census results njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: virtuosi NJC - neil young ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: NJC Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions ["Victor Johnson" ] Today in Joni History - October 29 [Today in Joni History ] Joni and the hecklers.........long ["Steve" ] Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: One Tree Hill (NJC) long ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni and the hecklers.........long [Mark Domyancich ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 03:36:34 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Will the real Don Juan please stand up? Hey Joniacs - Chew some peyote, swallow some gelatin capsules of mesc, or nibble on some magic mushrooms and check out this account of Joni and Rosanna Arquette as part of an audience for a certain Grandfather Cachora who claims to the be the shaman on which Carlos Castaneda based his character for Don Juan Matus, the legendary "brujo" of such books as JOURNEY TO IXTLAN, TALES OF POWER and THE FIRE FROM WITHIN. I was interested in the Castaneda books as a teenager, and of course, they made me want to take drugs, have my own hallucinations, learn to fly without a plane or a broom, and cultivate my own power. Well, I did learn to fly, but I have to use a dust mop. But even as a pot head in the Seventies, I read these books as entertainment and never considered them anything other than a very interesting and unevenly written fiction. And so did the UCLA Department of Anthropology who rejected Castaneda's thesis as a series of invalid fabrications. But the Castaneda books were popular, especially among pot heads, and they had a lot of interesting ideas that Castaneda "borrowed" from various Eastern spiritual disciplines and philosophies, especially the writings of Nietzsche. Some have even called Castaneda the "father of the New Age movement" which at least gives us all someone to blame it on. Joni has mentioned how much she enjoyed those books, but I wonder what she really thought of this shaman who decided to leave the desert for a mansion in Bel-Air and discuss his rather muddled ideas. Cachora also mentions his dual Mongolian and Toltec heritage. According to this report, the hundred dollar ticket included sushi and pretty blondes serving herb tea and ginseng drinks. Wish I was there. As a writer, I am always looking for material. In any case, the account includes some interesting passages with Joni asking questions, explaining a mandala, etc. I spoke with the writer of this piece a certain "Cory Donovan" who is both a Jonist and former disciple of Castaneda's. Cory's life work has been about discrediting Castaneda as nothing more than a typically corrupt guru with a harem of devoted women who would pimp for him. Apparently Castaneda had a typical human weakness for power and money, the usual perks of guru-dom, and he attracted narcissists like honey draws ants. Cory says Joni was not wearing any make up, did not look well, took cigarette breaks and was wearing a full length black leather coat. He puts her in the narcissist category and compares her to Frida Kahlo who also painted numerous self-portraits. Because of Cory's own fascination with Castaneda, he always thought that the Don Juan of the Reckless Daughter song was the brujo/shaman of the Castaneda books as opposed to the damned seducer of the Mozart opera and the Spanish play. You can read the whole account at: http://www.sustainedaction.org Type Joni Mitchell into the search tool. love, peace, and mind shattering orgasms, Clark NP: Eminem (again) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 04:54:17 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Will the real Don Juan please stand up? great tip! thanks, clark [kent?] wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de CarltonCT@aol.com Enviado el: Viernes, 27 de Octubre de 2000 04:37 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Will the real Don Juan please stand up? Hey Joniacs - Chew some peyote, swallow some gelatin capsules of mesc, or nibble on some magic mushrooms and check out this account of Joni and Rosanna Arquette NP: Eminem (again) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:12:59 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: BoB fest >>All of those guys cover Bob songs elsewhere in the show, as do the Cash&Carter Family, Willie Nelson, Lou Reed, Tracy Chapman, The O-Jays, John Mellencamp, Chrissie Hynde, Ron Wood, Stevie Wonder, Kristofferson, Mary Chapin-Carpenter&Roseanne Cash... I probably left someone out...<< Richie Havens, the most mezmerizing & amazing of them all....(played Just Like a Woman) ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:16:46 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Will the real Don Juan please stand up? Clark, What a great and entertaining read! I was chuckling and feeling like I was reading a script for the next Robert Altman (or maybe Woody Allen) movie. I found it very amusing that Joni seemed to be the resident cynic in the bunch. I'm sure you have found some choice material for a future screenplay ;-) Thanks, Clark, I was looking forward to this report. Still giggling, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:57:17 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: astro census results njc wallyk wrote: > third, the beautiful, sexy, [but so expensive] lions with 12 respondents. I may be a Leo, but the only reason I'm expensive is because I have no money of my own. I actually went shopping today, and bought nothing (actually I think that might be a first)! I'm STILL waiting for that big Lottery win! Hell P.S. Feeling a little bit tender after some very minor surgery today - and not happy about the bill that came with it! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:01:07 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Ronstadt/Stills NJC Mike wrote: > I agree with you. I have the CSN box set and I'll have to pull it > out and give it a listen. But, performers like CSN can probably > expect some of this, along w/ Neil Young because lots of their stuff > is electric. It may be better to do the accoustic stuff first and > end w/ electric. Which is actually what they tend to do (I think)! They start out with the acoustic sets, then finish with electric. But they always close with the acoustic version of Find The Cost Of Freedom to calm everyone down, so everyone leaves peacefully! Imagine the mayhem on the streets if everyone got into their cars after Stills and Young duelling guitars on Southern Man! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 06:52:51 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: astro census results njc In a message dated 10/27/00 2:53:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > well, here's joy in futility too. > love to all signs and animals, > wally > Thanks Walter for all of your hard work. It figures that the Libra's would win out, but I can't believe I'm the only Cancerian on the list, and you didn't even count me :( Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:44:55 +0900 (JST) From: Manno Toshikazu Subject: NJC: Searching Dennis Loeng Dear, JM lovers. I'm sorry for my long absence and no reply. I'm searching a person. I used to be contact with him. But Now his mail address is missing; - --- User dennis.leong (dennis.leong@mcd.com) not listed in public Name & Address Book - --- Does anyone know Dennis Leong's E-Mail address? He is or was a member of JMDL. Thank you verymuch for your attention. I hope JM will come to Japan again. Best Regards. - --- Music The Final Frontier --- Manno Toshikazu jacopas@geocities.co.jp URL: Japanese: http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Kouen/1584/ English : http://www.geocities.com/jacopas.geo/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 04:48:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: astro census results njc Wally darlin' ... I know it was early in your census when I responded ... where are the all the moon children? I can't be the only Cancerian who responded! (Or can I?) Lori (Cancer sun, Scorpio rising, Libra moon) near DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 05:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment (SJC) Relayer wrote, about whether Joni experimented with pot and (presumably) other drugs: > she did.that's a fact.see the Joni Mitchell > companion,the long article/interview,where she talks > about her life in the 60's Because I work for David Frum, author of the recent book (this is NOT meant to be a plug*, and I know this should be underlined but quotation marks will have to suffice) "How We Got Here: The 70's--The Decade that Brought You Modern Life--For Better or Worse," and I've read David's opinion so many times, my first reaction is to ask: Joni's life in the 60's? Or her life in the 70's??? Most people fondly (in most cases) think of the 60s as such a wild and transforming decade, when in fact only the last 3 years of it were particularly wild and were just beginning to affect social change. (Here's an interesting tidbit: the #1 song in 1969 was the Archie's "Sugar Sugar.") The majority of real wildness and change took place in the 70s -- and arguably the most profound (what would become "classic" rock) music was recorded during that decade as well. Joni recorded only 2 albums in the 60s, and recorded NINE albums in the 70s. Yet she continues to be remembered by the press as "an icon of the 60s." It would be so nice if folks would get their facts straight. Of course, it seems that no one really wants to remember the 70s, especially since we wore all that incredibly bad clothing ... : ) Short on time (I'm already late in leaving for work), I don't have time to find a URL for the "Companion," if indeed there is one. Does anyone have such? Lori who should be *in* DC by now *Although I work for David, our views on just about everything are so opposite that it's amazing we talk at all! Canadians JMDLers may be familiar with David - -- and his sister Linda -- from almost daily opinion pieces in the National Post. David and Linda are the children of the late Barbara Frum. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 05:25:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: partaking njc Wally wrote: > let me jump in here. the first and only time i did > acid, i had a veeeeeeeeeery bad trip. The first time I did it, I was in Goodyear, Arizona, with my friend Scott, and we had the best time wandering around that little town and in the nearby desert. Almost the entire time I was in Germany (1984-1986), I "lived for" LSD, making frequent trips (no pun intended) to Amsterdam to buy "100 stuck" of blotter at a time. No bad trips (I was lucky), no regrets. I'm over those days now. > no drug does it for me like pot. I have to agree with you there, although I too have pretty much given it up (it's been a long time, anyway). Lori (really late now, not much in the mood for work) near DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:52:28 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: zodiac (njc) >>and last and also least...just kidding, just kidding!!!!! 5 fearless, pioneering [but so terribly self-centered] arieses. Least? Least???!!! Wallace, dear, I do beg your pardon. least? :-( oh. Well, let's see, fearless, yup, ok, I'll take that. And pioneering, definitely. Oh, and self-centered. Well, um, um, um, well, um, (sigh) ok, if you say so... well, yeah, it's sad but true. Thanks for doing the survey, Wally. Now, I'm looking forward to the JMDL map - and then maybe a correlation between the two, and - oh I guess I'm getting carried away... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:01:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: David Lahm Cabaret hi everyone! i'm in lurker mode when reading the lists, but i surfaced (in person!) last night to head to judy's NYC to see david lahm in his cabaret trio (with mitch ellis, vocals, and dave ruffles, bass) playing jazz "takes" on joni. and i'm so glad i did! it was a fun evening. david's piano playing gets more and more beautiful the more often i hear it. i was stock still and incredibly moved when he played this soft, achingly pretty solo part during a ballad interpretation of "i don't know where i stand." i also liked the swinging "carey" and a dirge-like, formal "cherokee louise," among others. i have to say that i'm a novice at cabaret--it took me a while to adjust to the theatrical, campy aspects of it. but i did (and DO) appreciate these artistic choices, and think many were very risky and brave. made me think--made me (as always) in awe of this music and lyrics--what more can you ask for on a thursday night! - --emily Ps: david, thanks for a good time! it was fun to chat with you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:02:34 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: virtuosi NJC - neil young In a message dated 10/26/00 10:43:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << So Neil is amazing today. He wasnt bad way back then just not as polished. His one note lead solos like in Down By The River were pretty banal next to the other guys mentioned above. marcel deste >> in the mid to late 70's, i was as big a neil young fan as anybody. i learned all his acoustic songs. his songs were the only one's i ever really learned by a commercial artist. i played cowgirl in the sand, needle and the damage done, southern man, blah blah blah... i loved neil young. yet!!!! never did i consider him a lead guitar player. as a sheer guitar player, stills had him way beat. and he..in MY HUMBLE OPINION...is no where even in the same league as any guitar virtuoso/i like page or howe or hendrix or clapton or so on and so forth. but...his virtuosity stood in his ability to perform and entertain with a mixture of sounds. i watched rust never sleeps at least 20 times in the tower theater in philadelphia. i just loved seeing him play harmonica and guitar at the same time. but electric leads....ooouuuu...no...nota...no way jose. he was not a lead player. and md description of one note solo's is quite accurate. i blast guitar rock daily. i never liked neil electric. and crazy horse..just too nasty. and i don't every play his songs anymore. i guess i burned out on them. i like him. but i'll never be able to see him as big as some people do. although, he did receive high acclaims from david crosby. cros said he was the best of the four. most creative. p. np. pearl jam - yellow ledbetter - way better than crazy horse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:48:33 -0500 From: mags Subject: Re: astro census results njc Wally Kairuz wrote: > > < scorpions. and nine is indeed their number since it's the number of sex and > death.>> and Mags the scorpion woman ponders with a twinkle in her eye... dangerous how??? np: be still, zoebliss. .. appearing in burlington indigo soon :))) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:07:11 EDT From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions Hi everyone, i want to get into some neil young but i dont know what is reccommended to buy. If someone out there who really has alot of neil young music, could email me a list of which neil young albums i should look into, which ones i should avoid, which albusm are so-so, etc etc. thanks alot bliggity blair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:18:45 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: David Lahm Cabaret Emily, thanks for the appreciative review. I was very happy to see you & Courtney come in: YES!! someone would know what we were doing up there. It really was Mitch Ellis' show. He made full use of my knowledge and enthusiam toward JM's songs, but he was the boss (I tried to dissuade him from doing "Cherokee Louise" ---that's how smart I am). My only contribution to the cabaret aspect was to ask the lighting technician to give us a streetlight for "Sunny Sunday." If I ever record more JM songs, "I Don't Know Where I Stand" is surely a candidate. I also feel much more in possession f "Chelsea Morning" thanks to this gig. Great weekend, everybody, DL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:46:14 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: re: One Tree Hill (NJC) long The question being something like "have you ever made an attachment to an inanimate object?"... Wow, I've wanted to tell someone about this for a long time, but couldn't bear the thought of a dumbfounded stare/rolling eye response. For the past eight years, I've ridden a commuter railroad line into town. Just south of the Harlem-125th Street station is the brand spankin' new North General Hospital. Two blocks above it along the elevated tracks is the site of the old North General. The old hospital building probably was built in the mid-'50s, and had sadly deteriorated, not unlike most of the surrounding neighborhood. From the train, I would look down and depending on the speed and traffic conditions on the line, I could often read makeshift signs placed in the fenestrations of the abandoned and burned out buildings, some dedicated to racial vitriol concerning the lack of adequate fire protection for the area residents and their losses due to it, others more commercially rendered: open community requests to young black men not to abandon their families and to stay away from drugs. Among this decay, the hospital building stood soldiering along serving East Harlem. It's L-shaped structure gave shelter to one great monument: a 60 foot tall tree, probably an oak or maple. When the train was particularly slow through this section, I would ponder the tree, wondering how many patients or visitors were gazing concurrently at the tree from within the hospital, and also what they might be thinking. When the weather was bright I thought about birds living in nests within the tree, fathers and mothers joyful with newborns in the hospital. In grey Novembers I watched the last leaf fall from its branches and prayed for those in pain or devastated by a poor prognosis and the fearful waiting to die. How many souls looked upon it's leaves in their last earthly moments? I associated that tree with a whole circle of life and I thanked it for those who wouldn't or couldn't. The construction on the new hospital was completed about 5 years ago. I was glad for the community in their having received a modern, up-to-date facility and the lives it would save. The new hospital had no great tree, but the latest and greatest in medical technology. The demolition of the old building was begun soon after. The wrecking ball worked quickly on the upper floors. Excavation revealed its inner workings. The tiled operating rooms in the basement were exposed. Every day I noticed that the bulldozers were continuing to spare the tree, though its placement couldn't have made their work any easier. The building was soon gone but the vacant lot graded flat gave rise only to that tree. A podiatric clinic across the street soon commandeered the lot for overflow parking. I anxiously awaited the spring, to see if the tree would live. I feared that it's roots were damaged by the demolition and it was now exposed to shock and disease. It seemed to take a little bit longer that year, but soon there were red buds on the tips of branches and it breathed green again. It fought for two more years and then did not return in the spring of 1997. Perhaps there was damage from the heavy equipment, or a new drainage flow that starved it. I mused that it might have been because it somehow knew it wasn't needed to shade and inspire anyone, anymore. The cars that parked below the tree sought nothing from it, their owners likely cursing the birds who continued to rest upon it's bare branches. Sometime within the fall, the trunk was removed and the cars claimed victory over the stump. From my vantage point I could see no visable signs of disease on its rings, shaved smooth to the ground. The next spring ground was broken for new public housing on the site: low-rise buildings with a courtyard and a new philosophy: enabling residents to take advantage of subsidized cooperative living. The U-shaped buiding complex was built to the west of the tree's placement and a pristine macadam parking lot to serve it layered atop what roots remained protected by a tall black iron fence. Of course, some obvious song lyric came to mind at witnessing the last addition. I think about that property every time I see it and wonder if it's somehow holy by virtue of cast prayers caught and leached into the earth there. I wonder if it's crazy for a person to think that a tree could be a friend or a savior. And I keep watching one section of blacktop, hoping to spy a small crack. CC "Nothing lasts for long." -- JM _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:47:04 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions NJC In a message dated 10/27/00 11:19:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jahwaka80@hotmail.com writes: << i want to get into some neil young but i dont know what is reccommended to buy. >> Hi Blair! I don't know if there's a Best Buy near you (or if they all carry the same sale items), but when I stopped by ours this morning they had Neil's "Harvest" on sale for $5.99, and it's a *must* for anyone. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:57:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - October 27 1987: Tonight, Joni performs at the "Cowboys for Indians and Justice for Leonard Peltier" benefit in front of an estimated 9,000 people at the Pacific Amphitheatre in Costa Mesa, California. The Los Angeles Times printed a review of the show, saying "Joni Mitchell, supported by a jazz-accented band including saxophonist Wayne Shorter and bassist Larry Klein, followed with a 40-minute set that reinforced her reputation as a daring, independent-minded songwriter and singer. Rather than lean toward her most melodic and best-known early work, she concentrated on recent material, previewing a song ("Lakota") from her upcoming album and offering a dramatic rendition of "Tax Free." The latter tune, from her 1985 "Dog Eat Dog" LP, rips at rightist televangelism with uncompromising ridicule and fury." Read the article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/871030lat.cfm 1994: Today's New York Daily News continues the promotion of Turbulent Indigo, publishing an article that reads "These days, Mitchell's frustration with the business surrounds its emphasis on youth. Still, that won't stop Mitchell's ambition. She enthuses about new synthetic orchestrations for her guitar, about finding fresh ways to integrate classical music and African rhythms. Won't such steps invite more criticism of her ambition, as it did with her 1979 jazz LP, "Mingus"? "So what?" Mitchell retorts, triumphant in anger. "To follow an idea through - in the end, that's what counts." Read it at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/941027nydn.cfm 1998: Joni performs the first of two nights in the Detroit area. Setlist and Jimdler reviews here: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981027.cfm 1999: Billboard releases some information on Joni's new album in progress: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/991027b.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:53:47 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment (SJC) (md) Very interesting distinction you make although I disagree to the extent that Woodstock happened in 1969 I believe. Those who appeared werent starting out as musicians when they appeared there. They had been playing for years. The music started in 1964-66. Monterrey was 1967. the haight was in 66. Free Speech Movement etc. Massive anti-viet nam movement with all the bands playing at the rallies. TONS preceeded the 70's. The 70's was the beginning of the "mass marketing" of the music and surely much evolved during that decade BUT Joni was definitely a 60's person. Shes older than me and I am. The 70's was when all the johnny come lately's discovered the music and FM radio evolved from underground to mainstream. The last Beatles concert was at Candlestick Park in the late MID 60's. Just for the record. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:21:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment (NJC) Good points, Marcel. From something I wrote to David Lahm, who wrote to me privately on this subject: << I was just 4 years old in 1962, and 9 in 1967. I'm relying on David Frum's research to a certain extent (but he's two years younger than I am; what's he know?!), and on my own idea that the events you just mentioned were what really "got the ball rolling." You're surely correct about '67 being when Corporate America began making money from hippie lifestyles, which is probably the main thing that influenced my idea that things weren't really "happening" until then.>> > The last Beatles concert was at Candlestick Park in > the late MID 60's. Just for the record. Now I have to ask this: what album had The Beatles just released at that time? Lori in DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:29:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni came to tea - --- catman wrote: > I opened the door and there she stood. > 'remember me? The lady you almost ran over in the > fog all those months ago?' she said, > clouds of smoke wafting from her mouth as she spoke. > Lovely - absolutely lovely! _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:38:51 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions <> Blair, what you gotta get: 1. Harvest 2. Everybody Knows This is Nowhere 3. After the Gold Rush 4. Rust Never Sleeps 5. Freedom 6. Harvest Moon Lots of other solid efforts, but these are all 5-stars in my book! And SIlver & Gold from this year is stellar too... Bob NP: Talking Heads, "Swamp" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:44:08 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: One Tree Hill (NJC) long In a message dated 10/27/00 12:12:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ckarma@hotmail.com writes: << I wonder if it's crazy for a person to think that a tree could be a friend or a savior. >> Standing here, the old man said to me "Long before these crowded streets, Here stood my dreaming tree" Below it he would sit for hours at a time Now progress takes away what forever took to find Now he's falling hard, he feels the falling dark How he longs to be, beneath his dreaming tree.... dave matthews - the dreaming tree - from before these crowded streets patrick (with chill bumps) np. bruce- jungleland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:53:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: astro census results njc well, i had to go and do it!!!!!! my only excuse is that i'm working really late these days!!!!!! and late for me means i'm sleeping every 72 hours. i FAILED to include my beloved cancerians [freud? this is anna! are you listening?] cancer happens to be my opposite sign, to which i am inevitably attracted like the moth to your $800 cashmere scarf. however, there have been cases in which i have pursued my cancer neighbor or lover... with an axe in my best joan crawford mood [the first man i ever lived with was a cancer, and lemme tell you, divorce procedures were NOT smooth!!!!] a final irony: there's a tie between capricorns [my sign] and cancerians!!!! both of us with seven responses. so, my cancer brothers and sisters: my apologies [and cancer of all signs! famous for their rancor and hypersensitivity and...WALLY, curb yourself!!!!]. as i was saying, my apologies to all of you, shy, tender, nurturing, sensitive [shall i say touchy, moody, lunatic? we're talking wild mood swings here, should i...WALLY, stop it!!!!]. oh well, sorry, cancerians!!! my love and astral blessings to you all, rams, bulls [mmmmmmmm...], twins, crabs [the crustaceans], lions, virgins [now that's a good one! on this list of all places...], scale bearers, scorpions, centaurs, goats [my babies], water providers and pretty little fish! may we all live in peace and survive until november 7, when mercury will stop its retrograde movement and all our electronic appliances will start working again. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: FMYFL@aol.com [mailto:FMYFL@aol.com] Enviado el: Viernes, 27 de Octubre de 2000 07:53 a.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; Joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: astro census results njc In a message dated 10/27/00 2:53:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > well, here's joy in futility too. > love to all signs and animals, > wally > Thanks Walter for all of your hard work. It figures that the Libra's would win out, but I can't believe I'm the only Cancerian on the list, and you didn't even count me :( Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:54:25 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: virtuosi NJC - neil young > > but electric leads....ooouuuu...no...nota...no way jose. he was not a lead > player. and md description of one note solo's is quite accurate. i blast > guitar rock daily. i never liked neil electric. and crazy horse..just too > nasty. > I think Neil Young can do with a few notes more than some people can do with a zillion notes(ie..Yngwie Malmstreem, etc...). He really captures the passion of his songs and uses feedback in such an incredibly creative way. His playing really grabs me, pulls at my soul. He possesses a unique style that stands out in my book. Others that stand out to me are Alex Lifeson (Rush), Jerry Garcia (Grateful Dead), and Martin Barre(Jethro Tull), Robert Fripp(King Crimson)...I am more impressed guitarists like these who have developed a very personal, unique style than any "virtuoso" lead player. And Neil's famous one note solo was from "Cinammon Girl". "Down By the River" has more than one note. :>) Victor NP: Shawn Mullins Beneath the Velvet Sun (new release from local Atlanta boy) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:56:49 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions Great list...exactly what I would have put. Except I would include "Decade", absolutely an essential! Victor > < should avoid, which albusm are so-so, etc etc.>> > > Blair, > > what you gotta get: > > 1. Harvest > 2. Everybody Knows This is Nowhere > 3. After the Gold Rush > 4. Rust Never Sleeps > 5. Freedom > 6. Harvest Moon > > Lots of other solid efforts, but these are all 5-stars in my book! And SIlver > & Gold from this year is stellar too... > > Bob > > NP: Talking Heads, "Swamp" (live) > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:27:21 -0400 From: "Brian Workman" Subject: Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions Rust Never Sleeps Harvest After The Gold Rush On The Beach Harvest Moon Silver & Gold Everybody Knows This is Nowhere... and then all the Rest!!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Blair Fraipont To: Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 11:07 AM Subject: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions > Hi everyone, > i want to get into some neil young but i dont know what is reccommended to > buy. If someone out there who really has alot of neil young music, could > email me a list of which neil young albums i should look into, which ones i > should avoid, which albusm are so-so, etc etc. > thanks > alot > bliggity > blair > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:50:35 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - October 28 1998: Joni performs in Detroit. Setlist and Jimdler reviews here: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981028.cfm And, Time Out New York previews the upcoming New York City performance, saying "There's no telling how well her new material's subtle shadings will translate in the cavernous Garden, but those who've witnessed her recent shows give her high marks, so the faithful probably won't be disappointed." Read the article here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981028tony.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:50:44 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - October 29 1969: The Saskatoon StarPhoenix publishes a strangely worded article entitled "Joni Mitchell Success Story." Read it at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/691029ssp.cfm 1970: Joni performs with James Taylor at the Paris Theater in London. 1994: The London Independent publishes an interview with Joni. It reads "I grasped that smoking was an irritant," she says, "I didn't believe it was a cause." So (and here the story takes a mildly Californian twist) she sought a second opinion from a Hawaiian mystic called Oleta. "She's a two-powered mystic. With you fully dressed and lying on a table, she can see into your body by going wall-eyed, seeing light and shadow through your clothes. I said, 'Look in my throat, Oleta. Do you see death there?' 'No,' she said. This sounds so crackpot: she sent me water. The water was electrically charged and commanded to sluice and slowly restore. She fixed me." Read the rest at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/941029li.cfm 1996: The albums "Hits" and "Misses" are released. 1998: The Chicago Sun Times reviews Taming The Tiger, saying "Producing herself, Mitchell has crafted a seductive, jazzy album that might have been meant to evoke Rickie Lee Jones doing trip-hop, if Joni cared about such hip formulations. But no. She's an artist who always has been committed to following her own distinctive muse, commercial considerations be damned. What's more, she's one tough broad, and you just gotta love her." Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981029cst.cfm The Toronto Globe and Mail previews tonight's concert, saying "In recent performances, she's added a radically reworked version of Woodstock to the set, but a greatest hits set is not in the cards. With her insistence that she's an artist, not a jukebox, Mitchell keeps nostalgia at bay." Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981029tgam.cfm Joni performs in Toronto. Setlist and Jimdler reviews here: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981029.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:45:16 +0100 From: "Steve" Subject: Joni and the hecklers.........long It's been interesting reading the opinions on Joni and the MOA incident along with the Boston 83 walkout. I've been lucky to have been at a few hundred live gigs ( only one Joni though). During the 60's Merseybeat period ( my first concert was in '63) it never applied, as due to the screaming, you couldn't hear anything anyway. In my folkie period during the late 60's I think the nature of the music and the often intimate venue's meant that the sound of silence prevailed. Since the 70's, could it be larger venues and the advent of festivals, I never fail to be amazed by the a**holes who turn up late usually in a group, inevitably pissed, and push their way to the front or shout continuously between songs for their favourite tune (it's probably the only song title they know). We've all been there. Also listening to the many live tapes I've got, on many of them people can be heard chatting whilst songs are being played. Reading the posts, I've puzzled over it, and wondered what I'd do if I were in the performers shoes. Whilst I can accept Kate Bennet's, performers view, that the show must go on. I imagine for some performers that to stand alone in front of an audience and be shouted down can be the ultimate put down. It brought to mind the famous Joni incident at the Isle of Wight Festival in 1970 when she "lost the place" for probably the first time. Here's a transcript of Joni's rant. During constant heckling, no doubt from males awaiting their electric rock heroes, a solo acoustic Joni snapped, and with a voice trembling with emotion shouted into the microphone " Will you listen a minute......Now listen......A lot of people who get up here and sing.... I know it's fun, you know, it's a lot of fun, it's fun for me. I get my feelings off through my music (more heckling in the background).....but listen, it's like, last Sunday I went to a Hopi ceremonial dance in the desert and there were a lot of people there and there were tourists....and there were tourists who were acting like indians and there were indians who were getting into it like tourists..... and....and....I think you're acting like tourists man........GIVE US SOME RESPECT" Joni then played a fevered Big Yellow Taxi ,that, given the reception at the end won over quite a few tourists. Last night I mistakenly taped a TV show on performance art ( it was meant to be Radiohead live) and during the introduction, quotes were displayed over an artistic background. One of them summed up what I feel may be the answer to Joni's feelings. " A Painter paints pictures on canvas, but Musicians paint their music on silence"......Leopole Stokowski Food for thought, perhaps ?............Steve.........the impossible dreamer PS. As always offers of Joni's Isle of Wight tape to those who ask. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:42:20 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions In a message dated 10/27/00 6:42:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bedublyu@earthlink.net writes: << Rust Never Sleeps Harvest After The Gold Rush On The Beach Harvest Moon Silver & Gold Everybody Knows This is Nowhere... and then all the Rest!!!!! >> You overlooked one of Neil's best, but often overlooked albums, his first, eponymous album, Neil Young, from 1969. "I've Been Waiting for You," "The Old Laghing Lady," "I've Loved Her So Long" and other outstanding songs. I'd rank ahead of On the Beach on your list. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:24:57 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: One Tree Hill (NJC) long > I think about that property every time I see it and wonder if it's somehow > holy by virtue of cast prayers caught and leached into the earth there. I > wonder if it's crazy for a person to think that a tree could be a friend or > a savior. I have the greatest awe and respect for trees. Big trees. Old trees. Living things capable of staying alive many times our life spans. In The Color Purple when Shug is explaining her concept of God to Celie she tells her to look at how trees do everything they can to get our attention. I fully believe that. I have been known to talk to trees from time to time and I believe they respond to me. Maybe it's the pagan in my soul (could I have been a Druid in a past life?) I've been through the Redwoods in Northern California several times. Those forests have an aura of mystery about them that is palpable to me. I can imagine mythological creatures & beings roaming through those trees. Not to mention all the wildlife & humans souls that have walked there over the centuries. Two years ago Travis & I visited Sequoia National Park in the eastern part of California. Part of that experience is colored by the memory of being in pain from having thrown my back out a few days before, but I still came away with a tremendous sense of awe and humility. The General Sherman tree is the largest known living thing on the planet and it has seen many centuries come & go. Corny as it sounds, it really makes me feel small & insignificant. As Grace Slick once said (as only Grace would or could), 'say it plainly the human name doesn't mean shit to a tree.' So no, I would certainly say that it is *not* crazy to say that a tree can be a friend or a savior. There are many trees that have considered to be friends in my lifetime. I'm sure there are many of you who will snicker when you read this post and to you I say, go look at a stand of trees and consider everything they do for us. They provide shade from the hot sun, shelter from rain, lumber for our buildings, food, even the air we breathe. And it's also highly likely that most of them will still be here long after you are gone. Shug's point was that God, just like the trees, does everything it can (to Shug, God is not a he or a she) to be noticed and loved. 'It just wants to be loved.' Mark in Seattle who hopes you all will pardon this little bit of musing & rambling. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:08:03 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni and the hecklers.........long This isn't exactly how it went. Wally told a better story about it on his website, but basically an old friend of Joni's from the days in the caves wanted to borrow Joni's microphone after one of her songs to talk about Desolation Row (?). Joni couldn't let him, but I guess the conversation between the two picked on the microphone and the audience heard he was talking about Desolation Row. At 1:45 AM +0100 10/28/00, Steve wrote: > Here's a transcript of Joni's rant. > >During constant heckling, no doubt from males awaiting their electric rock >heroes, a solo acoustic Joni snapped, and with a voice trembling with >emotion shouted into the microphone > " Will you listen a minute......Now listen......A lot of people >who get up here and sing.... >I know it's fun, you know, it's a lot of fun, it's fun for me. I get my >feelings off through my music >(more heckling in the background).....but listen, it's like, last Sunday I >went to a Hopi ceremonial >dance in the desert and there were a lot of people there and there were >tourists....and there were tourists who were acting like indians and there >were indians who were getting into it like tourists..... >and....and....I think you're acting like tourists man........GIVE US SOME >RESPECT" Joni then played a fevered Big Yellow Taxi ,that, given the >reception at the end won over quite a few tourists. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:51:33 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: One Tree Hill (NJC) long - for mark&travis (md) Mark, first of all I must tell you that after reading you post I ran right outside into my back yard and got so intimate with the tree in my back yard that my neighbors called the cops. Anyway, having said that, I would like to share my own "tree story". Years ago when my wife and I realized that we didnt have enough closet space in our apartment. So shortly after our conversation about what to do she comes back home and tells me about these antique Korean Tonsu chests hat might help us solve our problem. So we go to this store and theres this beautiful hand made chest so we get it. We liked them so much and they were so useful that we actually bought several more. Then I found this book that explained how they are made. It involves a master craftsman going out into the wilderness for days until they find the perfect tree. they build a shrine and pray for some extensive time then leave the tree with the shrine at its base for an entire year. they return the next year; and if the shrine is in-tact then they have "permission" to cut down the tree and from it create the chest. The pieces, on each side of the face, mirror match the other side and they are quite beautiful. There were these two matching chests (slightly different actually because one was shorter than the other) that we had in our dining room for some time and then we got the idae to separate them into two different rooms. From the minute we did this I had the feeling that we had somehow separated two lovers. The kharma in the room was actually different. It went from warm and happy to cold and dismal. So we did the only thing reasonalble which was to put them back into the same room and then the room was "happy": these chests emitted a vibe that would be worthy of a myth of two lovers who died and remained together as trees in a forest. OK I know y'all think Im losing it but this is a true story. ciao. Marcel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:03:33 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Last Year at Marienbad njc In a message dated 10/27/00 1:14:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << nd are you relayer because of the yes album? [this album happens to be one of my other obsessions in life.] wallyk >> Yes.I am a big Yes fan.thoush maybe I should calll myself "Close to the edge",or "Going for the one",sinse I like those albums better then Relayer. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:30:06 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: One Tree Hill (NJC) long > I have the greatest awe and respect for trees. Big trees. Old trees. > Living things capable of staying alive many times our life spans. > > In The Color Purple when Shug is explaining her concept of God to > Celie she tells her to look at how trees do everything they can to get > our attention. I fully believe that. I have been known to talk to > trees from time to time and I believe they respond to me. Maybe it's > the pagan in my soul (could I have been a Druid in a past life?) I spoke with a tree in North Carolina once when I was in college. It told me these words which I put into a song. Hush not the caged bird who sings, Her voice weeps like a river stream. Winding through the darkness of days, Painting castles in her sleep. Hush not the whispers of trees, Lend your body to the ground. Plant your feet in the forest of your soul, And listen to the silence of years. Hush not the whales of the sea, For they have sung for an eternity. And they will cry if you steal their song, For how can you sing for them. Hush not your children today, For they shall inherit your voice. And if you never speak with the trees, Then how can they hear your mother weep. Victor ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #568 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?