From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #566 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Friday, October 27 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 566 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: jesusify any web site - vljc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Ronstadt/Stills NJC ["Hell" ] Re: edit after moa comment ["Hell" ] Re: Neil Young's new CD NJC ["Hell" ] Re: jesusify any web site - vljc [Siresorrow@aol.com] One Tree Hill - totally NJC (and long) ["Hell" ] RE: jesusify any web site - njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Neil Young's new CD NJC ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: jesusify any web site - vljc [catman ] Re: Neil Young's new CD NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: The Blue Nile ["secret desire" ] Joni Comments on stage..etc ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Ronstadt/Stills NJC ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Neil's new CD NJC [w evans ] Chicago doings? NJC ["Diane Evans" ] nice gal [Kate ] Today in Joni History - October 26 [Today in Joni History ] [none] [leslie@torchsongs.com] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Lori R. Fye" ] Neil NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] joni came to tea [catman ] Re: joni came to tea [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Kenny, gone, but not forgotten ["Steve" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Neil NJC (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Lori R. Fye" ] virtuosi NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: virtuosi NJC [michael w yarbrough ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Stephen Epstein" ] partaking njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment [Relayer211@aol.com] Re:Last Year at Marienbad [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Neil NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] CSNY Webcast (NJC) [Scott and Jody ] RE: Last Year at Marienbad njc ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: jesusify any web site - vljc i can't remember who sent it before [mark d.? colin? pat?], but we did it last year, and you're right: it so much fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wallyK, have you recovered from your cold yet, murphy? - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Miércoles, 25 de Octubre de 2000 11:31 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: jesusify any web site - vljc I know I'll probably burn in hell for this and a few other things, but a friend just sent me the URL for a Web site that let's you "Jesusify" any site (http://www.askjesus.org/). So of course I tried it, and it's pretty amazing. I covet to maketh thee feelest holy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:09:43 +0100 From: catman Subject: breif mention watched Ruby Wax last night who was chattuing with Amanda Donohoe(beautiful woman), Sian Phillips and someone called David Sedaris(an American). David whilst telling an anecdote, mentioned shoplifting the latest Joni Mitchell album. The person doing this was a roommate, female, who had Freidrich's Ataxia. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:49:27 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Ronstadt/Stills NJC Mike wrote: > That same year I saw Stephen Stills in the same venue. He was > playing an accoustic set and heard some boos from the audience. In > the middle of the next song he stopped playing and said something > like, "you don't like this kind of music". He walked off the stage > and returned with his electric guitar. He pulled off a great concert > in a tough situation. He made no enemies along the way. The CSN box set has a version of Black Queen where Stills reacts to the audience. People start laughing, presumably because they think he's parodying an old black blues man (which he's not), since he opens the song by saying that an old black man he knew "played kinda like this". There are a few shouts of "Quiet" from other audience members, but Stills just stops singing (while still playing) and says "One thing the blues ain't.....is funny". Huge round of applause and he carries on with the song, with no more heckling. Crosby does it too, when they're trying to close a set with an acoustic Find The Cost Of Freedom (which closes most of their concerts). People are still screaming out requests, and Crosby just says "This is wooden music, so you gotta be cool, otherwise you won't hear it." Maybe it helps that they play a lot of electric music, and like the audience getting involved, so they understand when they get carried away, and "disrespectful". Joni's music (on the whole) tend to be more acoustic and mellow (for want of a better word) or maybe she just doesn't expect that kind of audience? Just thinking out loud... Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:50:55 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: edit after moa comment wallyk wrote: >but if you listen carefully, there IS an edit after the 'Let's sing this >song together, ok?', though i think it must have been for matters of space >in the album. I always hear an "edit" BEFORE she says "Let's sing this song together, OK Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:55:03 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Neil Young's new CD NJC Andy wrote: > > 8. All Along the Watchtower > > Has this song been covered enough? Between > the original by Dylan, and covers by Jimi > Hendrix, Dave Matthews, Richie Havens, XTC, > Grateful Dead, Michael Hedges, TSOL, Giant > Sand, U2, and Judas Priest, it's truly > become one of rock's standards. Gee that many? It's lucky none of Joni's songs have been covered too many times! Like Both Sides now 88 times, or Big Yellow Taxi 20 times! Just kidding - I love All Along The Watchtower, and like Bob, can't wait to hear how Neil handles it! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 05:04:47 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: jesusify any web site - vljc In a message dated 10/26/00 4:15:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << i can't remember who sent it before [mark d.? colin? pat?], but we did it last year, and you're right: it so much fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> it weren'tith mine, yay i covet to have penne and sausage with all of you in the biggeth apple. and now i'm thinking i'll tell my wife that i covet to shampoo thee and that i covet to knit thee a sweater. or like aaron carter sings...i covet thee wrapped up in a sweater... or maybe it really is like colin says...after four pints, you covet anything in a sweater. pat np. fish pump ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:07:19 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: One Tree Hill - totally NJC (and long) Has anyone heard the U2 song One Tree Hill? It was only released as a single in NZ, as a tribute to a Kiwi roadie of U2 who died at a young age, while still working for them. He was from the suburb of One Tree Hill in Auckland, and it's the area I've lived for the last three years. It's a really distinctive landmark in Auckland, and I've lived in sight of it for six years. A sprawling Monterey Pine, and a tall obelisk at the peak of a volcanic cone (they are very common around Auckland). I always think of "home" as soon as I can see the top of One Tree Hill. The cricket club I used to play at (and am still Deputy Club Captain of) has the hill in it's logo (which you can see at the website below). Today, One Tree Hill became No Tree Hill. Due to Maori activists, the 125-year-old tree has been so badly damaged, and further weakened by recent hurricane-force winds, that for safety's sake, they've had to cut it down. Driving home today, and gazing up at the lonely monument, it just felt so wrong. Maybe like losing a face from Mt. Rushmore. Or the stones of Stonehenge falling over. They are going to replace it, but ironically the resource consent may take several years - it only took a week to decide to chop it down. Given the recent tragedies on this list, I feel reluctant to share this, but does anyone else ever feel this way about totally inanimate objects, let alone landmarks? Or am I just weird? Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 06:14:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: jesusify any web site - njc it's 6 am and i haven't had dinner yet! you gave me an idea, pat: penne bolognese!!! thank thee! wallytith kayest - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Siresorrow@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 26 de Octubre de 2000 06:05 a.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; Murphycopy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: jesusify any web site - vljc In a message dated 10/26/00 4:15:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << i can't remember who sent it before [mark d.? colin? pat?], but we did it last year, and you're right: it so much fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> it weren'tith mine, yay i covet to have penne and sausage with all of you in the biggeth apple. np. fish pump ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 05:17:01 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: The Boston '83 Concert on the Commons In a message dated 10/25/00 9:14:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ricw1217@aol.com writes: << i try to be hopeful and not fill myself with dread and i refuse to believe the worst until they tell it to my face... >> 1. you've not filled the list with this stuff. aside from the one post you made a year or so ago, i don't remember seeing anything more about this and i said that to someone just yesterday. 2. i've watched your posts over time. sometimes they are very playful. sometimes they are a little edgy. sometimes, they are both mixed together. but this post you put up.....i've never seen anything so beautiful from you as this and i thank you for it and for living gracefully through the ungraceful. that makes me hopeful. thank you. patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 02:14:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: One Tree Hill - totally NJC (and long) > Given the recent tragedies on this list, I feel reluctant to >share this, but does anyone else ever feel this way about >totally inanimate objects, let alone landmarks? Or am I just >weird? Hell, it's not weird at all. During the L.A. riots in 1992, several long-time landmark buildings were destroyed. I remember watching many places, such as old restaurants and theaters, that myself and many other L.A. natives went to as children burn down right before my eyes on TV. They may have been just buildings but there really was a lot of sentimental memories attached to them for a few generations of people. Plus, buildings in L.A. are relatively new, historically speaking, so it's not like we have a surplus of these old places like in other parts of the U.S. Never thought I'd feel so traumatized over the loss of inanimate objects, but I cried hard for three days straight. It was almost like losing your own home in a way. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 05:52:23 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Neil Young - CoversAll Along T.W., Again - NJC Neil has already covered All Along The Watchtower, with Dylan and others ,live , at the "BobFest". Available from 1993 Columbia "Bob Dylan 30th Anniversary Concert Collection Live - or a promo cd single - with an insert photo of Neil. If the version of "Words" on this forthcoming live cd is anything like the version you could/can hear on Artists Direct site......that alone will be worth the price of the cd........Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 06:45:30 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: vinyl tip / ljc Vinyl hunters tip of the week: Almost Famous soundtrack, promo only, no Joni cuts but worth having, great quality. I do not have this for sale, just a heads up. I am thinning out some of my Joni collection this winter and I'm likely to be too tired to deal with the big dogs on Ebay. Contact me if you are interested, offended, bored, or looking for something....off list. Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:17:19 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Neil Young's new CD NJC > Bob, who can't wait to hear Neil's "Crazy Horse" take on Watchtower! > Neil's new live album will consist of select portions of his recent Red Rocks concert with his "Friends & Family Band"...Ben Keith (pedal steel and second guitar), Spooner Oldham (piano and vibes), Duck Dunn (bass) and Jim Keltner (drums), with wife Pegi and sister Astrid singing background vocals (and lead vocals on "Motorcycle Mama"). Collectively, the band sounds a lot like Neil's Stray Gators band from the Harvest era. My understanding is that at Red Rocks, Chrissie Hynde joined Neil for "All Along The Watchtower." The Pretenders had been the opening act for most of the tour. That was the one concert recorded for CD, video and DVD release, and I think Neil wanted to give Chrissie her "props." She had been kissing the stage each night and saying how thrilled she was to be sharing the stage with Neil. Neil pulled a lot of seldom-performed songs out of his hat on the tour. I'm a *bit* disappointed in the selections he chose for the live album, but "Words" is going to amaze you. I think the video and the DVD (don't quote me) will be the complete concert. Also, regarding "All Along The Watchtower," Neil performed it (and "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues") backed by Booker T. and the MGs at the Bob Dylan 30th Anniversary Tribute Concert in New York in 1993. He had such a blast with Booker T. and the MGs that he took them out on tour as his backing band later that year. They continued to play "Watchtower," I believe, and another encore was "Sittin' By The Dock Of The Bay," written by MG Steve Cropper. :-) "Boston Jim" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:31:10 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Neil Young's new CD NJC > and another encore was "Sittin' By The Dock Of The Bay," written by MG Steve Cropper. > Oops. I meant "Sittin' *On* The Dock Of The Bay." (You gotta watch me. I can be inaccurate) :-) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:33:59 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: jesusify any web site - vljc > or maybe it really is like > colin says...after four pints, you covet anything in a sweater. now pat beahve yourself. I am not a slut, unlike some I could mention. I also do not drink. I am much more likely to covet the sweater too to see how it was done! > > pat > np. fish pump - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:33:42 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil Young's new CD NJC > Andy wrote: > > > > 8. All Along the Watchtower > > > > Has this song been covered enough? Between > > the original by Dylan, and covers by Jimi > > Hendrix, Dave Matthews, Richie Havens, XTC, > > Grateful Dead, Michael Hedges, TSOL, Giant > > Sand, U2, and Judas Priest, it's truly > > become one of rock's standards. > > It's also covered by JMDL musical artist Bryan Thomas on his cd "Radio > Plastic Jennifer". Bryan puts a nice twist on "Watchtower". > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:57:43 GMT From: "secret desire" Subject: Re: The Blue Nile Thanks for the help on the Blue Nile and Joni Mitchell Video I asked about. Turns out it was Rickie Lee Jones. Easily mixed up "NOT". The seller on ebay has just put up an apology. Don't imgine it will help his sales will it. Anyway somne of you asked for the Blue Nile site url. Well here it is:- http://www.psiron.demon.co.uk/ Tinseltown - The unofficial Blue Nile Site _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:58:46 EDT From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Joni Comments on stage..etc i Actually like it when artists get bitchy!! I mean, how great is that. I am never offended by comments like you have been discussing. I think it is interesting to see the different sides of that person as they are performing. For instance Van Morrison. I hear that his show are either a showstopping even where he gives his all or a half drunk man onstage insulting the audience. Personally, I dislike it when performers say things like "oh come on give a round of applause for yourselves!!! You are a great audience" I mean, i dont want to clap for myself. I want to clap for them. I dont want to be praised.. I am not saying i would wanted to be insulted at everyshow i attended..but seeing a performer bitch is entertaining and insightfull. Like at a concert in 1998 in fall with Bob she said something to the likes of (if i remember the online review correctly) "fuck you. I am as good as bob." I mean, that says it all. (eventhough that really isnt bitching, but declaring) okay. i think i am tying my tongue now. blair ps: i think neil young has already covered all along the watchtower.. and i AM tired of hearing people cover it. I mean, it is like the local band's way of achieving notoriety.. "WOW! We covered Dylan.. we're on our way to stardom" love to all np: cargo train scraping the rails and cars going by _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:29:20 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: Ronstadt/Stills NJC > From: "Hell" > To: "Mike Hicks" , > Subject: Re: Ronstadt/Stills NJC > Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:49:27 +1300 > Reply-to: "Hell" > Mike wrote: > > > That same year I saw Stephen Stills in the same venue. He was > > playing an accoustic set and heard some boos from the audience. In > > the middle of the next song he stopped playing and said something > > like, "you don't like this kind of music". He walked off the stage > > and returned with his electric guitar. He pulled off a great concert > > in a tough situation. He made no enemies along the way. > > The CSN box set has a version of Black Queen where Stills reacts to the > audience. People start laughing, presumably because they think he's > parodying an old black blues man (which he's not), since he opens the song > by saying that an old black man he knew "played kinda like this". There are > a few shouts of "Quiet" from other audience members, but Stills just stops > singing (while still playing) and says "One thing the blues ain't.....is > funny". Huge round of applause and he carries on with the song, with no > more heckling. > > Crosby does it too, when they're trying to close a set with an acoustic Find > The Cost Of Freedom (which closes most of their concerts). People are still > screaming out requests, and Crosby just says "This is wooden music, so you > gotta be cool, otherwise you won't hear it." > > Maybe it helps that they play a lot of electric music, and like the audience > getting involved, so they understand when they get carried away, and > "disrespectful". Joni's music (on the whole) tend to be more acoustic and > mellow (for want of a better word) or maybe she just doesn't expect that > kind of audience? > > Just thinking out loud... > > Hell > ____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell Hell, I agree with you. I have the CSN box set and I'll have to pull it out and give it a listen. But, performers like CSN can probably expect some of this, along w/ Neil Young because lots of their stuff is electric. It may be better to do the accoustic stuff first and end w/ electric. Mike > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:57:36 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Re: Neil's new CD NJC um, Neil has had a live recording out of All Along The Watchtower since eight years ago... it's on the "Bobfest" (as Neil coined it), the big 30th anniversary of Bob Dylan's recording career held in the fall of 1992. I highly recommend it even if you don't really like bob's singing, as he's only on two songs at the end. It's got *everybody* except joni in the lineup it seems... the highlight for me is the version of My Back Pages, which is just historic... it starts with Roger McGuinn's familiar 12-string Rickenbacker introduction (the Byrds did a cover version of it in 1966), Roger sings the first verse, then we hear (I forget in what order) a verse sung by Tom Petty, a guitar solo by Eric Clapton and a verse sung by him, a verse sung by George Harrison, a guitar solo by Neil Young and a verse sung by him, and a verse sung by His Bobness. All of those guys cover Bob songs elsewhere in the show, as do the Cash&Carter Family, Willie Nelson, Lou Reed, Tracy Chapman, The O-Jays, John Mellencamp, Chrissie Hynde, Ron Wood, Stevie Wonder, Kristofferson, Mary Chapin-Carpenter&Roseanne Cash... I probably left someone out... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:54:27 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Chicago doings? NJC Hey, Chicago Listers! Any particularly good musical stuff going on in town tomorrow or Saturday night? I'm always at a loss when I look through the papers for good music. Aside from the "biggies" I'm not overly familiar with local talent and get tired of always going to Fitzgerald's (even though the music is pretty reliable). Any suggestions? I love getting long weekends in Chi-town and look forward to the inevitable trip to the Art Institute as well. What a great city! Looking forward to your suggestions, Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:50:43 -0500 From: Kate Subject: nice gal Kakki: > I was completely > surprised at how warm, down to earth and sweet she was. ... warmth and vulnerability. ... I had that sense of Joni too whenever I saw her at the Mendel -- compassionate, humble (yes! I watched her facial expressions quite closely and she appeared as a person who is confident in her own self but not arrogant at all - folks do tend to confuse the two) and very responsive to those around her and the situation she's in. A very alive woman, with a definite aura of "someone special" that is natural and emanates from within. A big spirit there, that's for sure. My Kateness p.s. Ranger Rick, I received your email and am running running running with a new job and all so getting behind, but will get to it one of these days! - -- ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ * ~~~~~ /// * / * \ * \\\ ~~~~~ * ~~ Never retreat. Never explain. Never apologize. Get the thing done, and let them howl. Nellie McClung ~~~ * ~~~~ /// * / * \ * \\\ ~~~~ * ~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:48:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - October 26 1998: The Chicago Tribune reviews last night's concert, saying "Heady stuff. Great stuff. Enough to make another solid set of music by Bob Dylan seem almost perfunctory." Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981026ct.cfm Joni performs tonight in Indianapolis. Setlist and Jimdler reviews here: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981026.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:14:19 GMT From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: [none] Paz wrote: the MOST important thing she has brought is something le grande dame herself isn't even aware of. People like you and so many other special folks on this woderful cyber magic carpet. Michael, I couldn't have said it any better myself. Yes, I am truly grateful to have met so many talented and loving individuals. And, I know for a fact that Joni is aware of many of the special people in the JMDL community. Ric, my best to you - my thoughts are with you and Judy. Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment One more from the peanut gallery ... It just occurred to me that Joni couldn't have been in a mood to offend her audience during the MOA concert; otherwise, why would she have cut the word "grass" from "Blue"? Lori (fondly remembering those concert-going days) in DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:25:11 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Neil NJC Andy & all- Neil Young's CD is from his recent tour- it is live. All Along the Watchtower was one of his encores. The night I saw him he did not do that one, but did encore with Cowgirl in the Sand for about a 1/2 hour & it BURNED. (btw, the band was not Crazy Horse this time). I am not one of those diehard Neil fans at all, in fact I had never seen him solo in concert. I am glad I waited because I think this man is peaking in his performance career right now. (Which is as it should be right? Musicians getting BETTER with age contrary to what the music business would have us believe- sorry, couldn't resist that comment) Hopefully the CD has captured some of the incredible energy that he had on tour. It was one of the best concerts I have ever experienced & I have seen gazillions... ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:34:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: joni came to tea I opened the door and there she stood. 'remember me? The lady you almost ran over in the fog all those months ago?' she said, clouds of smoke wafting from her mouth as she spoke. 'uh, yes. I wish you'd called first. I need a week to tidy up. But since you are here you'd better come in.' Joni waded her way thru the yarn that was blocking the hallway. 'SHUT IT!' I screamed at the dogs. 'BRAD! STOP!' 'ahh, ' said Joni as she reached out to Brad. 'NO!' I said, 'wait for him to come to you. He doesn't know you.' 'I feel so blue, ' she said as she lit another fag. 'People think i am a bitch but really I am just a woman of heart and mind. But, ya know, I have to be tough. It's dog eat dog world out there.' 'Here, have some tea.' I said, placing a hot mug of tea in her free hand and an ashtray under her other. 'just let me put the dogs away, they'll get you dirty. It's been a rainy night.' Her eyes fixed on her painting of herself i have hung on the wall.'Oh, i just love to paint. But people just want me to write songs. Like I have nothing better to do than wirte songs for ageing children. Shit, i bet no one said to Van Gogh, 'paint a starry night, again, man'.' 'no,' I said. 'if they did he probably wouldn't have heard anyway.' She shot me a look and said' I think I understand. I just wish they could see me from both sides, now. The painter and the muscian, the fiddle and the brush.' 'More tea?' I offered. 'I shouldn't have come,' she sighed. 'Oh no, you are quite welcome. Just don't tell that lot on the list I am so untidy. I don't want to appear tawdry and cheap. Besides, this is really something. People will be envious.' 'what happened to this place?' she enquired. 'oh my my'. 'well,' I spluttered, 'we haven't been here long and .....' 'it's a shame, it's a crying shame', she said forlornly. 'it's not that bad. the cleaner cmes in tomorrow.' 'no not that, I have to go.' and with that she got up and went to the door.' We should stay in touch.' I closed the door behind her, thinking to myself, 'I wish people would bloody call before they just drop by.' - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:46:09 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: joni came to tea In a message dated 10/26/00 5:42:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << 'Here, have some tea.' I said, placing a hot mug of tea in her free hand and an ashtray under her other. 'just let me put the dogs away, they'll get you dirty. It's been a rainy night.' >> Why didn't you let the dogs go running free? The wild and the gentle dogs like to go running free. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:20:59 +0100 From: "Steve" Subject: Kenny, gone, but not forgotten I came in late by a quite a few days to reading the sad news of Kenny's passing and as I didn't really know him I felt it inappropriate to comment then. Kenny was one of my welcoming committee when I joined the list a few months ago and gave me such a warm welcome. Since his untimely death, I've been really moved by the depth of feeling towards someone, who has managed to reach out in the ether and touch so many lives.He must have been a wonderful man to know. In a world where life is so cheap it is heartening to be part of a community that can appreciate the worth of a human's nature. For as long as each of us is a member of this list Kenny will remain among us. My thoughts are with his family and friends. Kenny, See you sometime............Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:58:33 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment In a message dated 10/26/00 2:12:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lrfye@yahoo.com writes: << It just occurred to me that Joni couldn't have been in a mood to offend her audience during the MOA concert; otherwise, why would she have cut the word "grass" from "Blue"? >> I don't get it.acid,booze,ass,needles and guns are fine to mention,but not grass? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:17:06 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil NJC (md) In a message dated 10/26/00 11:42:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: << I am glad I waited because I think this man is peaking in his performance career right now. (Which is as it should be right? Musicians getting BETTER with age contrary to what the music business would have us believe- sorry, couldn't resist that comment) >> Having seen both phases of neils career I'd have to second this one except for one simple fact and that is that all musicians get technically better with age. Its the leap across the stage and the landing on their knees they cant do anymore. Pete Townshend (and Joni) is far better technically today than he was years ago. The recent Who tour was a jaw dropper and the guy is past 50. Geezers can still bust the chops. Having said that Im not sure how many guitar players today are close to several who were youngsters in the 60's and 70's. Jeff beck, Jimi, Jimmy Page, David Gilmore, Alvin Lee, I could go on. Im not aware of any true creative virtuosos today although maybe some of the young fans can correct me. I will say Im not hearing any new sounds in quite some time. Those guys were 20-25 back then or younger. So Neil is amazing today. He wasnt bad way back then just not as polished. His one note lead solos like in Down By The River were pretty banal next to the other guys mentioned above. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment "Relayer" wrote: > I don't get it.acid,booze,ass,needles and guns > are fine to mention,but > not grass? The original lyrics: "Well there're so many sinking now You've got to keep thinking You can make it thru these waves Acid, booze, and ass Needles, guns, and grass Lots of laughs, lots of laughs Everybody's saying that hell's the hippest way to go Well I don't think so But I'm gonna take a look around it though" Blue was released in 1971, a time when the attitude of a girl from the prairie might still be a bit conservative, or at least not as "worldly" as it would later become. In the above verse, Joni's observation seems to be that people are being a little too cavalier about certain things that they might do well to consider more seriously. They're "sinking": wasting away and dying due to dangerous living and excess. They're going to hell -- and it's the hippest way to go! Joni disagrees (she's thinking, "Lot of laughs -- yeah, right!), but ... she'll check it out. Three years later, maybe she's done just that -- or at least a little of it. Regardless, at just about any concert in 1974 (save for perhaps a classical music performance), there was always a TON (maybe literally!) of grass being smoked. By then (if not before), it was obvious to most that grass was quite different from acid or booze or heroin. (Nevermind the rest, and nevermind the contribution of marijuana to short-term memory loss or couch potato syndrome; at least no one was leaping out of windows or beating their spouse or stealing to afford their next fix because of pot.) Joni was smart to sing "Needles, guns, and ... Lots of laughs, lots of laughs." She took into consideration that many in her audience were toking away and no doubt would've been put off by a "put down" of their favorite herb. Lori near DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:25:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: virtuosi NJC this is a great topic, marcel. when i was young there was so much emphasis on "virtuosismo". just think of rick wakeman, keith emerson, steve howe, chick corea, patrick moraz and a big etc.. even deep purple's guitarists were virtuosi. we really had to practice our scales before we would dare to play a keyboard solo in public. i think that rock was more baroque -- in the strict sense of the word -- in those days. we would buy a jeff beck album BECAUSE there would be incredibly difficult riffs or phrases and solos. we wanted to see how far the guy could go. joni was first a virtuosa in a way. her tunings, her rhyming patterns and her high notes were marks of achievement in the virtuoso sense. by the same token, when the 80's arrived, there was a general reaction against "virtuosismo" that in some cases produced very interesting results and in some others...well, quite the opposite. still, i think that it was mainly the typical pendular thing in art and history. "virtuosismo" was out, punk was in, something like that. virtuosos can be very pompous and boring too. remember those quadruple albums each side of which would be practically a solo???????? on the other hand, a little bit more technique and a little bit less technology would be a welcome sign of balance. [i don't have anything against technology as long as it doesn't substitute gimmicks for talent.] wallyK marcel commented: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Having seen both phases of neils career I'd have to second this one except for one simple fact and that is that all musicians get technically better with age. Its the leap across the stage and the landing on their knees they cant do anymore. Pete Townshend (and Joni) is far better technically today than he was years ago. The recent Who tour was a jaw dropper and the guy is past 50. Geezers can still bust the chops. Having said that Im not sure how many guitar players today are close to several who were youngsters in the 60's and 70's. Jeff beck, Jimi, Jimmy Page, David Gilmore, Alvin Lee, I could go on. Im not aware of any true creative virtuosos today although maybe some of the young fans can correct me. I will say Im not hearing any new sounds in quite some time. Those guys were 20-25 back then or younger. So Neil is amazing today. He wasnt bad way back then just not as polished. His one note lead solos like in Down By The River were pretty banal next to the other guys mentioned above. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:24:56 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Lori- Interesting post! I agree that it was thoughtful of Ms. Mitchell to recognise (Canadian spelling!) that so many of her audience may have been participating! Never thought that this was the reason, and often wondered. But surely, 29 years ago, she was enjoying- partaking in the pleasures of smoke. I'm 45 and was by then. And given Ms. Mitchell's lifestyle, and experience to that date- Toronto, the Yorkville "hippie" scene- I have a vague memory of it all- it would be a surprise if she hadn't. Just a thought! And I do agree! Stephen in Vancouver NP: Wallflowers- Bringing Down the Horse- my 1st listen- pretty great! "Lori R. Fye" on 10/26/2000 06:54:18 PM Please respond to "Lori R. Fye" To: Relayer211@aol.com, joni@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment "Relayer" wrote: > I don't get it.acid,booze,ass,needles and guns > are fine to mention,but > not grass? The original lyrics: "Well there're so many sinking now You've got to keep thinking You can make it thru these waves Acid, booze, and ass Needles, guns, and grass Lots of laughs, lots of laughs Everybody's saying that hell's the hippest way to go Well I don't think so But I'm gonna take a look around it though" Blue was released in 1971, a time when the attitude of a girl from the prairie might still be a bit conservative, or at least not as "worldly" as it would later become. In the above verse, Joni's observation seems to be that people are being a little too cavalier about certain things that they might do well to consider more seriously. They're "sinking": wasting away and dying due to dangerous living and excess. They're going to hell -- and it's the hippest way to go! Joni disagrees (she's thinking, "Lot of laughs -- yeah, right!), but ... she'll check it out. Three years later, maybe she's done just that -- or at least a little of it. Regardless, at just about any concert in 1974 (save for perhaps a classical music performance), there was always a TON (maybe literally!) of grass being smoked. By then (if not before), it was obvious to most that grass was quite different from acid or booze or heroin. (Nevermind the rest, and nevermind the contribution of marijuana to short-term memory loss or couch potato syndrome; at least no one was leaping out of windows or beating their spouse or stealing to afford their next fix because of pot.) Joni was smart to sing "Needles, guns, and ... Lots of laughs, lots of laughs." She took into consideration that many in her audience were toking away and no doubt would've been put off by a "put down" of their favorite herb. Lori near DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:31:58 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: virtuosi NJC > marcel commented: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > I will say Im not hearing any new sounds in > quite some time. I'd say that shows you're listening to too much rock, not enough hip-hop. :-) - --Michael NP: Billie Holiday, _The Complete Decca Recordings_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:54:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Stephen wrote: > But surely, 29 years ago, she was enjoying- > partaking in the pleasures of smoke. I'm 45 and was > by then. And given Ms. Mitchell's lifestyle, and > experience to that date- Toronto, the Yorkville > "hippie" scene- I have a vague memory of it all- it > would be a surprise if she hadn't. > > Just a thought! And I do agree! It's a good thought, Stephen. Still ... Joni may have been partaking and enjoying, but I think she may have remained a bit "reserved" in her partying. She's probably tried many things, but she's never really been into overindulgence -- at least not for long. And considering that several of her peers had just died (Jimi, Janis, Jim), it's not surprising that Joni may have taken a dim view of "acid, booze, and ass; needles, guns, and grass," at least in 1971. Lori (who's 42 and first "partook" in '73) near DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:33:40 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Yes, that sense of being reserved- such a Cdn colonial thing!!!! We are more shy, reserved, proper- the English Queen thing- than the Americans.......I can completely identify w/it all. Horrors! I hope that no legal/police people are monitoring this- the 1st time I tried LSD, in grade 11 on a high school trip from Burlington to the Toronto art galleries and museums- I only did 1/4 of a hit- and had a great time! On the bus ride back home, the radio was on, and we heard that Art Linkletter's daughter had jumped out of a window in CA while stoned on acid. It just made me realise that I would never be that stoned, out of control- impossible. Perhaps Ms. Mitchell came from the same school! Stephen in Vancouver NP: Bebel Gilberto- Lonely "Lori R. Fye" on 10/26/2000 07:54:32 PM To: Stephen Epstein/Agmont cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Stephen wrote: > But surely, 29 years ago, she was enjoying- > partaking in the pleasures of smoke. I'm 45 and was > by then. And given Ms. Mitchell's lifestyle, and > experience to that date- Toronto, the Yorkville > "hippie" scene- I have a vague memory of it all- it > would be a surprise if she hadn't. > > Just a thought! And I do agree! It's a good thought, Stephen. Still ... Joni may have been partaking and enjoying, but I think she may have remained a bit "reserved" in her partying. She's probably tried many things, but she's never really been into overindulgence -- at least not for long. And considering that several of her peers had just died (Jimi, Janis, Jim), it's not surprising that Joni may have taken a dim view of "acid, booze, and ass; needles, guns, and grass," at least in 1971. Lori (who's 42 and first "partook" in '73) near DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:06:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: partaking njc let me jump in here. the first and only time i did acid, i had a veeeeeeeeeery bad trip. besides, it kind of killed my liver or something because i remember i was green like the wicked witch of the west and couldn't stop puking. no drug does it for me like pot. all the others [coke, xtc, acid, opium] make me sick afterwards. and the last time i smoked pot it gave me a hangover. to think i used to smoke a joint every morning before i went to work. my morning job was to give placement tests of english as a foreign language at a language school. i wonder where all those people i interviewed ended up. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:09:26 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment In a message dated 10/26/00 10:39:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sepstein@agmont.com writes: << But surely, 29 years ago, she was enjoying- partaking in the pleasures of smoke. I'm 45 and was by then. And given Ms. Mitchell's lifestyle, and experience to that date- Toronto, the Yorkville "hippie" scene- I have a vague memory of it all- it would be a surprise if she hadn't. >> she did.that's a fact.see the Joni Mitchell companion,the long article/interview,where she talks about her life in the 60's ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:21:19 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re:Last Year at Marienbad What did you think of it?I watched it again tonight.I never get tired of seeing it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:30:55 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Neil NJC > << I am glad I waited because I think this man is peaking in his performance > career right now. (Which is as it should be right? Musicians getting BETTER > with age contrary to what the music business would have us believe- sorry, > couldn't resist that comment) >> > The show Neil did at Chastain this summer was the best I had ever seen him perform. I also saw him on the tour he did with the MG's and that show was also spectacular but he just gets better and better...not only did he play a scathing version of "Cowgirl in the Sand" but his "Watchtower" was right on, I mean he really captures the spirit of this song more than anyone else I have ever heard perform it by far. You really feel like you're there with search lights and explosions and guns going off...it's cool that this cd is coming out but you need to see him live to really appreciate it. Speaking of people getting better with age, YES also put on a brilliant show this summer...Steve Howe is truly amazing. Victor NP: Innocence Mission birds of my neighorhood ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:48:51 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: CSNY Webcast (NJC) Hi Everyone, I was out of town and am very behind. I don't know if this has been mentioned or not. Check out the following url: http://www.intel.com/home/feature/bridge.htm The Bridge School Benefit Concert, now in its fourteenth year, features some of today's hottest musicians. Founded by Neil Young in 1986, this concert series is the primary fundraiser for the Bridge School, a dynamic organization that offers assistive technologies and education services for children with severe speech and physical impairments. Come back October 28 at 5 pm PST and October 29 at 2 pm PST to see the free live streaming Webcast. Closed Captioning will be available for the hearing impaired. Take Care Everyone, jody ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 02:15:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Last Year at Marienbad njc what can i tell you? i love i love i love i love this movie!!!! every time i see it, it's like the first time. the video rental copy was almost worn thin, so i decided to buy it once and for all so that i can see it at least once a month. i bought also ''hiroshima mon amour'', ''muriel'', ''providence'' [in honor of bob murphy] and ''on connaît la chanson'', all directed by alain resnais. did you see ''on connaît la chanson'' in the us? i think the title may have been translated as ''the same old song'' or ''the same old thing''. it's a masterpiece. i can't get enough of marienbad, though. it's so GOTHIC!!! what's your name, relayer? and are you relayer because of the yes album? [this album happens to be one of my other obsessions in life.] wallyk - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Relayer211@aol.com Enviado el: Viernes, 27 de Octubre de 2000 01:21 a.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com; Joni@smoe.org CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re:Last Year at Marienbad What did you think of it?I watched it again tonight.I never get tired of seeing it. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #566 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?