From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #565 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Thursday, October 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 565 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Kenny [Scott and Jody ] Re: Neil Young's new CD NJC [Andy Baio ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Neil Young's new CD NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] jesusify any web site - vljc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Judy NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Neil Young's new CD NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: AOL by phone (Now with Joni Content) [FredNow@aol.com] angel in disguise. [Michael Paz ] NJC Guuntanamera revisited [Vince Lavieri ] Re: jesusify any web site - vljc ["Kakki" ] The Show Must Go On ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:59:01 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Kenny We just got back from a vacation up north. I am saddened by the news of Kenny's death. We didn't write each other off list much except for a B-Day greeting here and there. I was fortunate to meet Kenny at Jonifest 99 and 2000. Kenny was always there to make you feel at home. I had the pleasure of driving with him from, and to the airport in 99..... so many Joni stories. I also found myself outside much of the time at Ashara's. Kenny was always outside. We got to talk a bit.... This is just a small example, but it gives you a sense of what a great and caring person Kenny was: I had arrived at Ashara's after midnight. I had no sooner set up my tent(with a little help from my friends), when it started to drizzle. Not alot of rain, but Kenny insisted that I take the tent down and sleep on the couch in Ashara's porch. He was so adamant about it that I was actually mad. We argued back and forth; he wouldn't let up! He assisted in taking the tent down, and I can't tell you how grateful I was the following morning. There was a pouring rain that night. My heartfelt condolences to Steve and Kenny's family and friends. See ya Kenny, jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:11:21 -0700 From: Andy Baio Subject: Re: Neil Young's new CD NJC > Neil Young's new CD will be out November 21st > The Track list: > > 8. All Along the Watchtower Has this song been covered enough? Between the original by Dylan, and covers by Jimi Hendrix, Dave Matthews, Richie Havens, XTC, Grateful Dead, Michael Hedges, TSOL, Giant Sand, U2, and Judas Priest, it's truly become one of rock's standards. I guess Neil deserves a shot, too. -- Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:40:48 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment (NJC) > Very true, Kakki. Thanks for reminding us. > > Lori > in DC, hoping she didn't offend anyone and going to > sit in the corner, too (move over, Kakki!) Hi Lori! I don't see how you (or Kakki) could possibly have offended anybody by your comments on this thread. My 2 cents. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:43:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil Young's new CD NJC << Has this song been covered enough? >> Don't forget Marian Russell's great version at Atty May's '99... Hi Marian! Bob, who can't wait to hear Neil's "Crazy Horse" take on Watchtower! NP: Ensemble, "Help Me" from Joni's Jazz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:31:08 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: jesusify any web site - vljc I know I'll probably burn in hell for this and a few other things, but a friend just sent me the URL for a Web site that let's you "Jesusify" any site (http://www.askjesus.org/). So of course I tried it, and it's pretty amazing. First I typed in www.drudgereport.com, and that site was even more hysterical Jesusified. So then I tried www.jonimitchell.com and It's just too funny. It doesn't just Jesusify the home page, it Jesusifies every page you click on. (I have posted the Jesusified lyrics to "All I Want" below.) Anyway, I should be working right now, so I don't have time for any more blasphemy. I hope that if you're offended by stuff like this you'll avoid checking out the site, and that you'll also forgive me, which would be the, um, Christian thing to do. Have fun, --Bob ALL I WANT I am upon a lonely road and I am traveling Traveling, traveling, traveling Lookingest for something, whatsoever canst it be Oh I hate thee some, I hate thee some I love thee some Oh I love thee whenneth I forget worship me I covet to be mighty I covet to laugh along I covet to belong to the living Alive, alive, I covet to beget unto and jive I covet to wreck mine stockings in some juke box dive Doth thee covet - doth thee covet - doth thee covet To dance with me baby Doth thee covet to taketh a chance Upon maybe finding some sweet romance with me baby Well, cometh upon All I really really covet our love to doth Is to bring forth out the bestest in me and in thee too All I really really covet our love to doth Is to bring forth out the bestest in me and in thee I covet to talk to thee, I covet to shampoo thee I covet to renew thee again and again Applause, applause - life is our cause Whenneth I thinkest of thine kisses Mine mind behold-saws Doth thee behold - doth thee behold - doth thee behold How thee hurt me baby So I hurt thee too Then we both beget so blue I am upon a lonely road and I am traveling Lookingest for the key to set me holy Oh the jealousy, the greed is the unraveling It's the unraveling And it undoes all the joy that couldst be I covet to hath fun, I covet to shine like the sun I covet to be the one that thee covet to behold I covet to knit thee a sweater Covet to write thee a love espistle I covet to maketh thee feelest bettereth I covet to maketh thee feelest holy Hmm, Hmm, Hmm, Hmm, Covet to maketh thee feelest holy I covet to maketh thee feelest holy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:34:43 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Judy NJC In a message dated 10/25/00 9:14:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ricw1217@aol.com writes: << but it's easier for me to do it this way than to respond to the several messages i've received off list and on. to those of you who feel strongly about such things, i hope you can let this one go by. >> Don't ever feel this way. We're a community of people joined together, with all it's joys and sorrows. How else can your friends know that you need some comforting right now. Our hearts and minds are open to you Ric. That Ashara, what can you say about her. She is just a whirlwind of generosity towards her fellow mankind. Love, Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:45:53 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil Young's new CD NJC In a message dated 10/25/00 9:57:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Bob, who can't wait to hear Neil's "Crazy Horse" take on Watchtower! >> I can almost hear him doing this cover. Hell yeah, Neil deserves a shot at this one. Oh, forgot to tell you it's LIVE and the name of the album is Road Rock 1 Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:08:39 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: AOL by phone (Now with Joni Content) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >>NP: Erin Hamilton, "Blue Motel Room" (the trumpet solo) Nice track...would >>LOVE for Joni to give this one the jazz trio treatment (with Fred Simon >>tickling the ivories, natch! :~D) Sweet of you to think of me, Bob, but I think Herbie's got the gig. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:00:57 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: angel in disguise. Ric wrote: "it was a wonderful gift, having her pop in like she did. she's an angel in disguise." Yea Ric I know what you mean here. i think alot of people are distracted by the whole broomstick thing! ;-) then he wrote: "things are not good here. judy is in bad shape, and declining noticably day by day. i would like us all, very much, to have many, many more holidays together, but if that can't be, i would so like us to have at least this coming one. just one more, please. and i believe we will. we might. i try to be hopeful and not fill myself with dread and i refuse to believe the worst until they tell it to my face...but it doesn't look good. i hate to fill up the list with this stuff. i know it's out of place. and we have all been feeling sad already, over dear kenny. but it's easier for me to do it this way than to respond to the several messages i've received off list and on. to those of you who feel strongly about such things, i hope you can let this one go by." Ric this IS the place for this kind of thing. It's the Joni Mitchell Discussion List and we love you very much and wish only the best for you. I can't tell you how many times I have turned in this direction if only just to read some humor, fan some flames, send a shout out to a bud, or just immmerse myself in the human part of this community. This whole MOA thread has me a little anxious at times cause I don't worship Joni nor do I think about her shortcomings as a person or as an artist or performer. I am just thankful for everything she has brought to my life through all of her art and the MOST important thing she has brought is something le grande dame herself isn't even aware of. People like you and so many other special folks on this woderful cyber magic carpet. Be well old friend and I am sending you the strength of magnet and iron tonight. Much love to you and Judy and the kids. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:42:55 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Guuntanamera revisited With the various qustions about the song, I turned to a dear friend in Mexico who knows these things and here is his reply: I am sure no one cares anymore and I know that I bore people here, but in case anyione is interested: Michael Voigt wrote: > Vince: > > I've got a bunch of mails from you and want to respond to several of them. > We'll start with Jose Marti and Guantanamera. > > >Questions: who is Jose Marti? > > He was the leader of the revolt against Spain at the end of the 19th > century. While the rest of Spain's colonies in the New World had obtained > their freedom during the first years of the 1800's, Spain continued to hang > on to Cuba. Marti was one of the leaders in the struggle for independence. > He was killed before Cuba gained its independence and just before Teddy > Roosevelt rode in, "heroically gained Cuba's independence" and placed it > under the U.S. tutelage. You may recall the infamous Platt Amendment which > basically said that the Cuban's choice of Presdent would have to be > approved by the U.S government. This went on until the middle of the > 1930's, by which point the U.S. Mafia was firmly in control of the island, > so the U.S. government relinquished formal control to the gangsters. This > may help explain why there is some hostility toward the U.S. in Cuba or it > may just be a bunch of sour grapes from our little brown brothers who fail > to appreciate good will when they see it. > >What does "Guantanamera" mean? > > It means a "woman from the town of Guantanamo" which, by sheer coincidence, > is the Cuban port which the US military controls and refuses to leave. > This too, oddly enough, creates some ill will (sort of like the folks on > the Puerto Rican island of Vieques who object to having their isle used for > shelling practice by the US military). > > >Is this is any way a revolutionary song? > > Not really. But Marti did author a lot of revolutionary literature and > political tracts. So, in the end, you have to take Guantanamera with a > certain amount of history and perspective. I guess it's sort of like the > diffrence as to how you would read one of Richard Brautigan's lighter > poems, as opposed to Emily Dickenson's constantly light weight work. You > have to take the writer into account when weighing the "value" of the work. > > >I always thought the word in the first verse was "crece" so am I wrong? > > Yes. "Crece" would refer to only one palm tree (grows) and "crecen" refers > to more than one palm (grow). > > In any case, it's a beautiful song, even in English. I am particularly fond > of Pete Seeger's version. And again, like the reference to Marti or > Brautigan, one has to take into account Pete's history. > > Saludos...Mike > > >> The correct lyrics: > >> > >> GUANTANAMERA > >> Original music by Jose Fernandez Diaz > >> Music adaptation by Pete Seeger & Julian Orbon > >> Lyric adaptation by Julian Orbon, based on a poem by Jose Marti > >> > >> Yo soy un hombre sincero > >> De donde crecen las palmas > >> Yo soy un hombre sincero > >> De donde crecen las palmas > >> Y antes de morirme quiero > >> Echar mis versos del alma > >> > >> Chorus: > >> Guantanamera > >> Guajira Guantanamera > >> Guantanamera > >> Guajira Guantanamera > >> > >> Mi verso es de un verde claro > >> Y de un carmin encendido > >> Mi verso es de un verde claro > >> Y de un carmin encendido > >> Mi verso es un ciervo herido > >> Que busca en el monte amparo > >> > >> Chorus > >> > >> I am a truthful man from this land of palm trees > >> Before dying I want to share these poems of my soul > >> My verses are light green > >> But they are also flaming red > >> > >> (the next verse says,) > >> I cultivate a rose in June and in January > >> For the sincere friend who gives me his hand > >> And for the cruel one who would tear out this > >> heart with which I live > >> I do not cultivate thistles nor nettles > >> I cultivate a white rose > >> > >> Cultivo la rosa blanca > >> En junio como en enero > >> Qultivo la rosa blanca > >> En junio como en enero > >> Para el amigo sincero > >> Que me da su mano franca > >> > >> Chorus > >> > >> Y para el cruel que me arranca > >> El corazon con que vivo > >> Y para el cruel que me arranca > >> El corazon con que vivo > >> Cardo ni ortiga cultivo > >> Cultivo la rosa blanca > >> > >> Chorus > >> > >> Con los pobres de la tierra > >> Quiero yo mi suerte echar > >> Con los pobres de la tierra > >> Quiero yo mi suerte echar > >> El arroyo de la sierra > >> Me complace mas que el mar > >> > >> Chorus > >> > >> ©1963,1965 (Renewed) Fall River Music, Inc (BMI) > >> All Rights Reserved. > >Received: from [216.200.102.14] (helo=smoe.org) > > by uruguay.pathwaynet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) > > id 13kEt2-0000FO-00 > > for revrvl@pathwaynet.com; 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charset="ISO-8859-1" > >X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 7 > >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by smoe.org id UAA19872 > >Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com > >Reply-To: Murphycopy@aol.com > >Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni > >Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com > >Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > >Precedence: bulk > >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smoe.org id UAA19944 > >X-PATHWAY: LOCAL DELIVERY ON URUGUAY TO revrvl > >X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > > > >The correct lyrics: > > > >GUANTANAMERA > >Original music by Jose Fernandez Diaz > >Music adaptation by Pete Seeger & Julian Orbon > >Lyric adaptation by Julian Orbon, based on a poem by Jose Marti > > > >Yo soy un hombre sincero > >De donde crecen las palmas > >Yo soy un hombre sincero > >De donde crecen las palmas > >Y antes de morirme quiero > >Echar mis versos del alma > > > >Chorus: > >Guantanamera > >Guajira Guantanamera > >Guantanamera > >Guajira Guantanamera > > > >Mi verso es de un verde claro > >Y de un carmin encendido > >Mi verso es de un verde claro > >Y de un carmin encendido > >Mi verso es un ciervo herido > >Que busca en el monte amparo > > > >Chorus > > > >I am a truthful man from this land of palm trees > >Before dying I want to share these poems of my soul > >My verses are light green > >But they are also flaming red > > > >(the next verse says,) > >I cultivate a rose in June and in January > >For the sincere friend who gives me his hand > >And for the cruel one who would tear out this > >heart with which I live > >I do not cultivate thistles nor nettles > >I cultivate a white rose > > > >Cultivo la rosa blanca > >En junio como en enero > >Qultivo la rosa blanca > >En junio como en enero > >Para el amigo sincero > >Que me da su mano franca > > > >Chorus > > > >Y para el cruel que me arranca > >El corazon con que vivo > >Y para el cruel que me arranca > >El corazon con que vivo > >Cardo ni ortiga cultivo > >Cultivo la rosa blanca > > > >Chorus > > > >Con los pobres de la tierra > >Quiero yo mi suerte echar > >Con los pobres de la tierra > >Quiero yo mi suerte echar > >El arroyo de la sierra > >Me complace mas que el mar > > > >Chorus > > > >©1963,1965 (Renewed) Fall River Music, Inc (BMI) > >All Rights Reserved. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:30:28 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: jesusify any web site - vljc Bob, Not too long ago I typed in Joni Mitchell on an internet search and it took me to a website where someone has done this to the JMDL Home Page! I'll bet one of our characters around here did this. Les, have you seen it? The graphics and everything are just like the Discussion list website. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:44:28 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The Show Must Go On Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: np: I'm up early (?) and listening to Kate Bennett's "Over The Moon" disc! This lilting toe-tapper is available at www.cdbaby.com . Kate's a JMDLer! Hi Kate! I hope to see you do some of these originals next year at Atty May's! Hi Jim, glad you got the cd & thanks for the plug! Atty May's sounds like a lot of fun but didn't Paz say something about New Orleans revisited? New Orleans is a lot closer you know & I have a song I wrote about my one & only visit to that part of the world that I can't wait to bring back there to play! On the topic of walking off stage in the middle of a concert (& this is actually not directed at anyone in particular), I really don't think there is any excuse for this, other than illness. Especially when you have a huge audience that has paid precious money to come see you. I have had loud & rude audiences & bad sound (& felt like walking off once) but I guess I am old school. The Show Must Go On. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #565 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?