From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #564 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 564 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's BD Card: Thanks artists, calling all writers ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni's BD Card: Thanks artists, calling all writers [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni's BD Card: Thanks artists, calling all writers [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Roberto, Susan LA NJC [catman ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #563 [JoniMessages@aol.com] Re: Joni's BD Card: Thanks artists, calling all writers [JoniMessages@aol] Re: Joni's MOA Comment [FredNow@aol.com] Re: b-day greeting!!!!!!!njc [mags ] Re: This Just In- JoniFest2000 New Orleans Update ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: friday night & the church of joni NJC and LONG ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Joni's MOA comment [Nancy ] Re: This Just In- JoniFest2000 New Orleans Update [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: This Just In- JoniFest2000 New Orleans Update NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's MOA Comment [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Songs I Wish Joni Would Cover(NJC) [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] Today in Joni History - October 25 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Eavesdropping on Tom Rush ["P. Henry" ] Joni as Prima Donna [Steve Dulson ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] AOL by phone (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: AOL by phone (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Joni's MOA Comment [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Lori R. Fye" ] Neil Young's new CD NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Elizabeth Udall" ] Re: Songs I Wish Joni Would Cover(NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment [Les Irvin ] Sad news of Kenny's death ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: friday night & the church of joni NJC and LONG ["Susan" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: The Boston '83 Concert on the Commons [Ricw1217@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:00:00 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's BD Card: Thanks artists, calling all writers Jimmy wrote: > We could just have a *senior* moment and say Happy Birthday (Mr. Gore, Mr. > Bush, etc...) and then write in Joni's name for President on the ballot, > since her birthday falls on election day :~) > > sorry for my silliness, Jimmy, you always come up with the best lines, I swear. I seriously would vote for this one - I think it's perfect! (And you've also just given me a great alternative when it comes time to go into the other voting booth Nov. 11th! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:03:58 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Emotional Rescue! (NJC) Dear Paz, I feel like you just delivered a 14-pound baby after a 72 hour labor and that I should be handing out cigars ;-) Yay!! and congratulations for getting this rare gem a little closer to all of us. I'm sad about Catgirl's song, though - maybe she can cheat a little and send another copy? ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:22:57 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's BD Card: Thanks artists, calling all writers In a message dated 10/25/00 3:20:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << Jimmy, you always come up with the best lines, I swear. I seriously would vote for this one - I think it's perfect! (And you've also just given me a great alternative when it comes time to go into the other voting booth Nov. 11th! ;-) Kakki >> Too bad the fact she was born outside the U.S. makes her constitutionally ineligible for election, eh, Kakki? I mean, at least Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck were "born" in the United States, as the Constitution requires. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:36:06 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's BD Card: Thanks artists, calling all writers In a message dated 10/25/00 3:33:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << > I mean, at least Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck were "born" in the United States, as the Constitution requires. Please clarify/identify for me - which is Al and which is Dubya? ;-) Kakki >> LOL. Take your pick. I guess Al's the Mounse and Dubya's the Duck, or is it vice versa? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:41:17 +0100 From: catman Subject: Roberto, Susan LA NJC scuse me but haven't got your emails. Robeeto yours bounced. Just wanted to say that John got back from Canada. i thought he had been on the est cosats but no he was in Calgary and Vancouver. And guess what? He also visted Victoria on the island!!!! He could have met you! He twlls me it was all beautiful(but cold in the Rockys-lovely) and would like to live in Vancouver. So Susan will you and a girlfriend marry us so we can come live over there? - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:45:37 EDT From: JoniMessages@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #563 In a message dated 10/25/00 12:24:14 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: >Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:24:30 -0300 >From: "Wally Kairuz" >Subject: wally breese article > >i don't know if this is old news but at the following site i've just found >an article signed by wally breese!!! [hi wally!!!] >http://imusic.com/showcase/contemporary/jonimitchell.html > >wallyK > It's old news... they just lifted some of Part 1 of "Just Rewards" from the bio section (without telling Wally, I might add). jj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:53:31 EDT From: JoniMessages@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's BD Card: Thanks artists, calling all writers Well, then, Jimmy, what the heck! You've already got a vote -- why not decide how you'd like to phrase it and send it in? The more the merrier! There have also been a couple ideas that have come through, if anybody's looking for subject matter. Here's one: >>A caption on the front would be great... perhaps a line from Wally? Something from his diaries? If not, a line from people's accounts of why they listen to Joni? A big task I realise... maybe a Nietzche (sp?) quote? - ----------------------- Wally kept diaries?!? Anyway, if anybody wants to do something using one of these ideas, go for it! Just a sentence or two, of course, so it'll fit into the spaces. Check out what's been sent in so far on the rough draft of the card at http://www.jonimitchell.com/BDCard/BDcardArt.html. jj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 04:06:45 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment "Mark or Travis" wrote: >Fred, I don't think that was a smooth edit to a completely different >part of the performance. If I remember it correctly, immediately >after she says 'he painted it, that was it' she says 'Let's sing this >next song together, ok?' She hardly sounds like she's thinking 'Oh >God, I have to sing this dull old piece of crap *again* for yet >*another* group of morons!' I've got to go back and listen ... edits can be real good, it's an art, and we can't know for certain what happened when. But even if it is real time, it wasn't I who accused Joni of condescension toward the audience; again, it's only the failing of the logic in her metaphor that bothers me. Other than that I'm sympathetic to all concerns. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 04:18:01 -0500 From: mags Subject: Re: b-day greeting!!!!!!!njc Wally Kairuz wrote: > this is one birthday greeting post i've been looking forward to. > > i've had all kinds of sisters, but no one ever like you. > in our past lives, we rode side by side: we were walküren, we were wild > huntresses in the forests, we were divine earth mothers. > now we have come to meet again in this incarnation. > in this life, you have been given the power to ride once more: you are an > amazon woman, fiercely rising from your ashes time and again. no sooner are > you pushed down by the hand of black sorcery than you surface one more time, > stronger and more beautiful than ever before. > in this life, i have given different gifts, but i still pray that i will be > allowed to ride by your side, amazon sister. > > run on, magsie dearest. > > be happy as only an amazon woman can: in love and at war! > > love, > wallistah and the bday girl writes: wowwowowwallistah! thank you so very much for this wonderful bday greeting. just pondering how i got to be this age?!?!.... but then again, 23 aint so bad ;) amazon hugs to you my bro love, mags npimh: your smiling face, james taylor performed by a special guest artist over the phone on my bday ;))) - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:15:24 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: This Just In- JoniFest2000 New Orleans Update I'm glad most of the JoniFest New Orleans 2000 fundraiser show at Howlin' Wolf survived! Michael Paz, sponsor of the JoniFest New Orleans 2000 wrote, >> Jason Marsalis' set is stellar. Ah! This is no news to ANY of us who were there!! But it's a relief that it is in your hot little hands! Paz said, > So far i am thinking of a JMDL disc, > a New Orleans musicians disc, and a Jazz disc. So, Claud and Bob M. and Marcel will be on a JMDL disc, I suppose. Is Bryan's set sufficiently jazzy to be on the jazz disc or the JMDL disc? Is David L.'s set, with a pickup band of mostly Nawlins folks going to be on the jazz disc? Hmmm... This division sounds very interesting. In a way it raises more questions than it solves! Damn, I can't wait! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu np: I'm up early (?) and listening to Kate Bennett's "Over The Moon" disc! This lilting toe-tapper is available at www.cdbaby.com . Kate's a JMDLer! Hi Kate! I hope to see you do some of these originals next year at Atty May's! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:56:57 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: The Boston mystery, and MOA thread This question of whether or not Joni was dissing her audience on Miles of Aisles. As always, she's a complex paradox. On the one hand, she appears to be gently chiding her fans for asking her to stay the same and do the singles. On the other hand, she decided to leave that MOA heckler in there, didn't she? How many artists would KEEP a heckler's comment on a live album? Ya know he says something like "Joni you have more class than Richard Nixon and Gomer Pyle combined!" She liked it. Sure it was a compliment, so she liked it. But if she hated her audience, would the live album have happened at all? If she dreaded performing, she would have excluded it. Further, as I remember it, after everyone laughs, you CAN hear a tape edit, then he's repeating himself, "You have more class than all THREE of those mothers." I don't know how long the guy went on shouting but she took the time to edit his comments for time. She didn't can him. Just the opposite- she _kept the good part_. Sure he was rude, but wild things run fast. :) All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu np: Circle Game from MOA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:15:40 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Hi, Kakki. Thanks a lot for telling me (us) your story of meeting Joni in May '98, and of how warm she was with you. :-) Today (Wednesday) I'll begin an Attitude Readjustment process, and I won't rest until I am officially "over it." I'm well on my way, already. This whole episode has been good for me. I think I'll be able to lay these strongly negative perceptions to rest, at long last, and cut Joni a little more slack on the "type of person she is" front. Thanks again to Ric, and now, a thanks to Russ, too, for their remembrances of Boston '83. It's back to JMDL Digest lurkdom for me. I'll pop back in when I have something to offer. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 05:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: RE: friday night & the church of joni NJC and LONG Wally! > i can't remember how i end up here. but i always > remember why. You just said it ALL. (And with some eloquence, I might add!) Lori in DC, probably about to have her hand slapped but now wondering just how much "carnal knowledge" has been shared between JMDL members >; ) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:37:47 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Ronstadt/Stills I saw Linda Rondstadt in 1974 and three songs into the first set (Heat Wave) she told the audience if a certain person did not leave the arena then she would leave. She sang another song and left. Her band remainded, stunned, and left also. None to return. That same year I saw Stephen Stills in the same venue. He was playing an accoustic set and heard some boos from the audience. In the middle of the next song he stopped playing and said something like, "you don't like this kind of music". He walked off the stage and returned with his electric guitar. He pulled off a great concert in a tough situation. He made no enemies along the way. I still think about that Linda deal. Left a bad taste with many people. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:30:11 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: Re: Joni's MOA comment I'm not sure what post polio syndrome is, but perhaps Joni could have been suffering from PMS at the time…to the women on-list--can you relate to this?? :-) At the Chicago BSN concert, right at the beginning, she announced that she had left her guitar and piano at home. I would say she did that (in part) to keep the audience from doing the "shouting out requests" thing. - --Nancy/IA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:40:44 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: This Just In- JoniFest2000 New Orleans Update The Jason Mardalis set was a highlight for me. In fact, I was stunned. The fact that they are SOOOOO young and yet had such a grasp of her music to be able to improvise within her intended context blew me away. AND to choose Hissing on top of all that. What is up with those Marsalis genes???? Jerry Michael Paz wrote: > Hello All- > I am still mixing here. WOW. Jason Marsalis' set is stellar. So MANY > moments here. I am fired up. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:44:49 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Kakki, I find it very interesting how men's and women's views are so different. I got a kick out of this, because my boys (ages 11 & 13) have told me I have a "talking problem"! I guess Joni and I have something in common. :-) Nancy/IA >The *only* maybe > less than positive thing I've heard from a few people is that she talks too > much. And those comments were all from men, and we know how men sometimes > feel when us women yammer on and on. ;-D > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:59:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Mark in Seattle (hi Mark!) wrote: > Joni is human and she's said & done things that I > haven't always agreed with or liked. There are > times when I have thought she has sounded extremely > arrogant. But I have never thought of the Van Gogh > monologue as being even remotely in that vein. What > am I missing here? You're not missing anything, IMO. MOA was the second or third Joni album (cassette tape, actually) I purchased. I bought it in a record store in Regina, SK, sometime in 1978. At that point in time, I knew Hejira by heart and might have been getting into DJRD (the memories are fuzzy now). As I didn't really know any of Joni's previous works (save for the few things on AM radio), MOA opened so many doors for me! I have always especially enjoyed the "Van Gogh" comment. To me it's always sounded like Joni appreciating that her audience enjoys her early songs so much, and sharing with them how marvelous it is that she's ABLE to perform her songs again and again - -- as opposed to being able to paint a great work of art only once. In 1974, probably very few concert-goers were aware that Joni considers herself a painter first ... I didn't learn that until much, much later. Since learning that, I consider the "Van Gogh" comment to be somewhat ironic, but it's simply never occurred to me that Joni was being bitchy or arrogant. Certainly she HAS been bitchy and arrogant at times, but I don't count the MOA concert as one of those times. Further, why would she (or the album's producer) want to include a moment of bitchiness or arrogance on a live double album? Lori in DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:09:19 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Got to give my 2 cents worth on this one :-) I have never thought of this monologue as "bitchy" or "nasty", etc. In fact, when I first heard it, I thought that it was very humorous. I felt that Joni was making a "positive" comment about the performing arts--she was contrasting the static nature of the fine arts v. the ever-changing nature of the performing arts. I felt that she was saying that unlike a painted picture, which is finished when the paint dries, a song is never the same (a song will be different each time that it is sung because of many variables: the voice is never exactly the same, the playing of instruments is never exactly the same, the performer will interpret it differently because of numerous factors, etc.). Since MOA is basically a greatest hits LP performed live, I have trouble interpreting her comments as being about not wanting to sing the "old stuff" (she sang a number of songs from LOTC, and one from STAS, not to mention all the numbers from Blue--some of which were vastly different from the original). My take: Joni was making a comment about the nature of "art" and nothing more. (PS--despite what Joni said about a "painter paints a painting, and he paints a painting. . .I learned at the Mendel exhibit, that Joni does indeed "paint A Starry Night again man." According to the curator, Joni often (sometimes years later) goes back to a painting and touches it up or changes it completely (Get Out Of The Kitchen for example). In fact, they said that Joni was "touching up" some of the paintings as they were being hung at the Mendel. Stephen--np--A Chair In The Sky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:13:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: This Just In- JoniFest2000 New Orleans Update NJC <> YOU'RE fired up?!?!?!?! Everytime I get one of these progress reports, I start drooling like frickin' Homer Simpson! Just call me Pavlov's Slut! :~D Again, thanks & praise to you, oh Pazeous one!!! Bob NP: Sugarloaf, "Rusty Cloud" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:13:05 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment In a message dated 10/25/00 12:31:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << The *only* maybe less than positive thing I've heard from a few people is that she talks too much. And those comments were all from men, and we know how men sometimes feel when us women yammer on and on. ;-D >> Kakki, You can "yammer on" anytime and anywhere, and it is all right by me. :-) Stephen, who hopes that if he ever meets Joni, she will "yammer" for hours and hours. . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:57:42 EDT From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs I Wish Joni Would Cover(NJC) FYI, Anita O'Day is making a rare NYC appearance at FEZ on Nov. 3rd, 4th and 5th. It is rumored that Chris Connor will be a surprise guest on the Nov. 5 show(which is a Sunday @ 5:00 PM). - Scott In a message dated Fri, 20 Oct 2000 8:19:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dflahm writes: << Scott, I agree totally; she is a fine candidate to revisit the Anita O'Day-Chris Connor-June Christy repertoire from the mid--50s. (I have a great set of chord changes for "All About Ronnie.") DAVID LAHM >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:43:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - October 25 1998: The New Jersey Star-Ledger publishes a review of Taming The Tiger, saying "The album's only serious misstep is "My Best To You," a lullaby undercut by mannered singing, distracting synth squiggles, and a percussion pattern that's out of synch with the rest of the music." Read the review here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981025njsl.cfm Tonight, Joni performs in Chicago with Bob Dylan. Setlist and Jimdler reviews here: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981025.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:48:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Jim Leonard wrote: > That Boston show may well have been an isolated > incident, but it served as another example to help > illustrate the larger point I was trying to make (to > what end, I'm not really sure...other than to > express an honest opinion I have, which is contrary > to most of the others I've read in the current > thread...but it was probably a mistake to voice it). As usual, I'm "backing into" a thread ... First of all: Jim, it should never be considered a "mistake" to voice anything here. Anyone who is so full of adoration for Joni that they can't accept her human foibles (or our observations and complaints about them) is doing her a grave disservice by putting her on such a high pedestal. I missed my first opportunity to see Joni, which was in 1983 (WTRF tour) in Philly. At the time I loved WTRF (still do), and the reason I didn't go to the concert was due to my occasional debilitating shyness. If I had been able to overcome that and had attended the concert, and then Joni had walked off the stage in a huff -- for whatever reason -- I would have been devastated, too. (And I would be just as devasted today if such a thing occurred.) I'm curious, though, as to how you determined the reason for Joni leaving the stage? Was there a look of disdain or something? Jim, I'm not disputing what you wrote -- Joni has been known to get really pissy with a disrespectful crowd as recently as her tour with Dylan (and she has the right to do so, IMO) -- I'm just curious. Lori in DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:49:49 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Eavesdropping on Tom Rush Clark quoted: >Tom's response was "Well, Joni was a very ambitious young woman."> for what it's worth... having known Joni at roughly the same period of time and at least as well as Mr. Rush, my take is that 'ambitious' is not necessarily the word which springs to mind... 'intense'... 'passionate'... yeah pat http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:00:24 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni as Prima Donna Boston Jim wrote: >I don't care what her >emotional situation was at that time, or on that night, but it was >unforgivable prima donna-type behavior. Now I love Joni like most of you all, and I totally obsessed over her for a number of years in the '60s/70s, so I am quick to jump to her defense when I hear anyone dis her. Having said that, Joni has bad days just like all of us, and, just like all of us, I am sure she loses it from time to time. There have been a number of incidents over the years that people I know, trust and respect have reported where her behaviour was not, in their view, appropriate. Two or three years ago, we had a big discussion here and on the folkdj-l list about her appearance at the opening of the Old Town School in Chicago. Rich Warren of WFMT, who played Joni every show (and still does!) was mightily offended by her behavior there. Although I defended her as best I could (not having been there) Rich, who is a good guy, clearly had some points. Speaking of points, I guess mine is that she's human. My best to all! - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment (NJC) One of these days I'll again remember to read the ENTIRE digest before making my comments! Kakki wrote: > You don't have to put down someone else's experience > to make room for your own, you know. We can debate > here or express our opinions, hopefully without > disrespecting the person(s) expressing it. > > Kakki, not meaning to start a flame war and going to > sit in the corner now Very true, Kakki. Thanks for reminding us. Lori in DC, hoping she didn't offend anyone and going to sit in the corner, too (move over, Kakki!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:01:45 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: AOL by phone (NJC) While driving to work this morning, I tried out AOL's new (AOL by phone feature). What a hoot! Since I'm not on digest I could listen to the few JMDL emails that I hadn't read yet. The electronic voice did a pretty good job at pronouncing everything correctly. The woman's voice even recognized LOL as Laugh Out Loud. The difficult part was when she pronounced who the email was from. For instance, Scott she didn't do so well at pronouncing " Seulbzzaj@aol.com", so I had no idea who it was from until she said Scott at the end of your email. I could even understand everything she said when Bob wrote "Just call me Pavlov's Slut! Again, thanks & praise to you, oh Pazeous one!!! Bob NP: Sugarloaf, "Rusty Cloud" " Bob, you sound sexy with a woman's voice :~) Now, I have something to do when I'm waiting in all this damn traffic! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:44:58 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: AOL by phone (NJC) In a message dated 10/25/00 1:25:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << Bob, you sound sexy with a woman's voice :~) >> jimmy, i think he's speechless. i do. go ahead bob...it's your turn. patrick np. m. knopfler - baloney again ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:56:20 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment In a message dated 10/25/00 10:01:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lrfye@yahoo.com writes: << I have always especially enjoyed the "Van Gogh" comment. To me it's always sounded like Joni appreciating that her audience enjoys her early songs so much, and sharing with them how marvelous it is that she's ABLE to perform her songs again and again -- as opposed to being able to paint a great work of art only once. >> Now THAT's a spin any presidential press secretary would be proud of! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Of my comment: << I have always especially enjoyed the "Van Gogh" comment. To me it's always sounded like Joni appreciating that her audience enjoys her early songs so much, and sharing with them how marvelous it is that she's ABLE to perform her songs again and again -- as opposed to being able to paint a great work of art only once. >> Paul I. writes: > Now THAT's a spin any presidential press secretary > would be proud of! I'll take that as a compliment! ; ) Lori, four blocks from the White House but who would settle for the part of C.J. on "West Wing" ... and looking forward to casting her VOTE FOR GORE/LIEBERMAN in less than two weeks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:07:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment My apologies for omitting the NJC tag ... Lori in DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:30:09 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Neil Young's new CD NJC For all you Neil Young lovers out there in Joniland: Just got this info from artists direct. Neil Young's new CD will be out November 21st The Track list: 1. Cowgirl in the Sand 2. Walk On 3. Fool for Your Love 4. Peace of Mind 5. Words 6. Motorcycle Mama 7. Tonight's the Night 8. All Along the Watchtower - -Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:51:05 PDT From: "Elizabeth Udall" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Kakki-- After reading your post I had to come out of lurkdom to comment. I was at the May 98 taping at Warner Brothers as well. My sister, Catherine Turley, has already posted the story of meeting her there before the taping. I just wanted to chime in and say how wonderful she was to us and how impressed I was with how she cared enough to make sure that we were seated and able to see the taping. Growing up under Catherine's influence I have always liked Joni and her music. After meeting her and experiencing her graciousness I love her all the more. She is human like the rest of us. I think it's unfortunate that others have had bad experiences. I wish they could have had a positive one like mine. Elizabeth Udall _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:51:55 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Songs I Wish Joni Would Cover(NJC) Scott wrote: > FYI, Anita O'Day is making a rare NYC appearance at FEZ on Nov. 3rd, 4th and > 5th. It is rumored that Chris Connor will be a surprise guest on the Nov. 5 > show(which is a Sunday @ 5:00 PM). I strongly recommend catching this appearance. Joni's art director, Robbie Cavolina, has been sort of managing her as I understand it, and has been greatly involved with her shows here at the Atlas Bar and Grill in L.A. on Tuesday nights. I saw the show earlier this year and was truly amazed. She has led at least nine lives and has suffered through many hardships including ill health, disability and drug addiction, but she still is going very strong at 80! I had wondered where she was because her show at the Atlas hasn't been listed in the LA Weekly lately and I was worried about her. This is great news! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:01:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Hi Elizabeth and welcome to the list! I think you posted once before and I wondered then if you were related to Catherine! > After reading your post I had to come out of lurkdom to comment. I was at > the May 98 taping at Warner Brothers as well. My sister, Catherine Turley, > has already posted the story of meeting her there before the taping. I just > wanted to chime in and say how wonderful she was to us and how impressed I > was with how she cared enough to make sure that we were seated and able to > see the taping. Growing up under Catherine's influence I have always liked > Joni and her music. After meeting her and experiencing her graciousness I > love her all the more. She is human like the rest of us. I think it's > unfortunate that others have had bad experiences. I wish they could have > had a positive one like mine. I always love hearing Catherine's account of this and am happy to hear you were there, too! It's great to see more family members joining in here - there's Brian's sister Ellen Gross and I think a few others, too. I don't have any brothers or sisters but have had a few friends join up for a bit here and there to check out Joni (or maybe just to *find* me when they can't reach me on the phone for awhile ;-) Hope to meet you someday at one of our SoCal get-togethers! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:22:29 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment At 10:03 PM 10/24/2000, Kakki wrote: >I also always had a perception that she would be aloof, >and somewhat snobbish and cold in person. > - when I first got to speak with her after the Warner >Bros. taping in May '98, I was completely >surprised at how warm, down to earth and sweet she was. As one who has been fortunate enough to meet Joni, I agree with Kakki's statement. So many of the articles and interviews that appear in print make Joni out to be this aloof, angry snob. She may be angry indeed, but I think the vast majority of it is directed at critics and the music industry. In person to her fans I've never heard of her as being anything other than an absolute sweetheart - gracious as can be. Just don't get her started on critics and the industry. :-) Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:11:10 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Sad news of Kenny's death I hesitated using the word death in the subject line. So final, yet just a word. Kenny drew me to him during the Pittsburgh fest. His smile was so engaging. Sitting on the "smokers" porch, listening to Dreamland drumming. I was calmed by his smoke much as a bee is. Spending the night at a stranger's house with thirty people! Many of my friends said this was madness. Yet Kenny was there, comfortable in his skin, happy together with other fans. Twenty or so digests were sitting for me to read. Something drew me to the computer in the 11th hour of this busy election year. Kenny always took the time to write an encouraging word. I really loved that about him. After we met he wrote even more, asking about my husband and children. Goodbye Kenny. You will be missed here in JMDLand. Your spirit will live on every time I hear Edith and the Kingpin. Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:33:31 -0500 From: "Susan" Subject: Re: friday night & the church of joni NJC and LONG > Mags said, > >>>>>> > I have spent so much of my life feeling "different" > and yet, amidst this wonderful sea of joni loving > souls, I dont. I cannot even begin to articulate what > this means. > >>>>> > Jim wrote > Ditto, kiddo. There's a rare vibe in this world & Joni has that vibe. And I am tuned, > for better or worse, to that frequency. > Sorry I am getting to this thread a few days late but I beg your pardon as I have been EXTREMELY busy here in the corporate world. And if we ever meet you won't even believe this is where I earn my meager living. BUT anyway I think the thing Mags was getting at was this. For many years even though we knew Joni was cool, we got more negative reinforcement than positive. Or even if it was positive it was much like "polite applause." So I think many of us have felt like "square pegs." Not like really square, more like we have had our own cool going for a very long time and I think in the past 5 or 10 years we have finally come into vogue. The real musicians on the list may understandably not have had this same sort of experience. So finding each other and this discussion list has gotten all of our endorphins going. Many of us may have suppressed bubbling excitement over Joni for decades! Also, many of the things such as tape trees and covers and biographical and lyric interpretations and on and on, that are discussed here are things I used to think about everyday. Apparently many of you were stronger and more committed than I cause you stuck to it! Many things I personally let go of and you folks are here to resurrect it for me and bring back so much. So now I am returning to myself these things that you and I suppressed! Also, this is all about creativity and art as well as our taking a more personal interest in Joni and I don't think that's the case with many other performing artists. Thank you, and in closing, this list has few boundaries and should be whatever any of us needs it to be, so long as we share our Joni thoughts in a receptive, trusting environment, as we seem to be doing, then that's really "all I want." Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:34:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: AOL by phone (NJC) In a message dated 10/25/2000 1:10:37 PM Central Daylight Time, Siresorrow@aol.com writes: << jimmy, i think he's speechless. i do. go ahead bob...it's your turn. >> Always glad to provide a little stimulation to your day, Jimbo... I do look great in a dress too, but not that Miyake, makes me look a little hippy! :~) How do you do that AOL by phone, Jimmy? Bob NP: Erin Hamilton, "Blue Motel Room" (the trumpet solo) Nice track...would LOVE for Joni to give this one the jazz trio treatment (with Fred Simon tickling the ivories, natch! :~D) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:35:00 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni as Prima Donna In a message dated 10/25/00 12:21:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << Now I love Joni like most of you all, and I totally obsessed over her for a number of years in the '60s/70s, so I am quick to jump to her defense when I hear anyone dis her. Having said that, Joni has bad days just like all of us, and, just like all of us, I am sure she loses it from time to time. There have been a number of incidents over the years that people I know, trust and respect have reported where her behaviour was not, in their view, appropriate. Two or three years ago, we had a big discussion here and on the folkdj-l list about her appearance at the opening of the Old Town School in Chicago. Rich Warren of WFMT, who played Joni every show (and still does!) was mightily offended by her behavior there. Although I defended her as best I could (not having been there) Rich, who is a good guy, clearly had some points. >> I think it's hard when you read and hear about people you really admire who are flawed,human...maybe on some level we expect them to better then average,regular people.I have hard terrible things about Joni,Barbra Streisand,Judy Collins,Joan Baez,Karen Carpenter ect...I am just realizing now that even if the negative things I've heard about them are true(even partly true)all that means is that they're human.It certainly doesn't take away from their music being wonderful.I would discusted,as I posted to the board months ago about Joni kicking her maid.I think that was despeakable no matter what the circumstances.yet we all make mistakes,we all do things we are not proud of.Hopefully people are willing to learn and change and grown,and not keep making the same kind of mistakes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:37:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment << My sister, Catherine Turley, has already posted the story of meeting her there before the taping. >> Elizabeth, Thanks for sharing your story...I was lucky enough to meet Joni too, and she was gracious and kind beyond my wildest dreams! And she held my hand like I was holding her out of a 12th story window! Whoo-Hoo indeed! And thanks to Pearl, I have a classic photo to prove it!! PS: Tell your sis to come out and play every once in a while! :~) NP: Duncan Sheik, "Refuge Of The Road"......p.u..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:58:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: edit after moa comment but if you listen carefully, there IS an edit after the 'Let's sing this song together, ok?', though i think it must have been for matters of space in the album. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de FredNow@aol.com Enviado el: Miércoles, 25 de Octubre de 2000 05:07 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Joni's MOA Comment "Mark or Travis" wrote: >Fred, I don't think that was a smooth edit to a completely different >part of the performance. If I remember it correctly, immediately >after she says 'he painted it, that was it' she says 'Let's sing this >next song together, ok?' She hardly sounds like she's thinking 'Oh >God, I have to sing this dull old piece of crap *again* for yet >*another* group of morons!' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:16:58 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark or Travis: Joni is human and she's said & done things that I haven't always agreed with or liked. There are times when I have thought she has sounded extremely arrogant. But I have never thought of the Van Gogh monologue as being even remotely in that vein. What am I missing here? Mark in Seattle - -------------------------- Hiya folks Well put Mark in Seattle! As it stands in my ears: the audience are shouting out requests and she uses THIS to illustrate the difference between visual arts and performing arts. Nothing wrong with that. I have never found any arrogance with the Van Gogh statement. My only pet peeve is that she says Gogh like 'joe' (or even 'go'!) when it is pronounced goch (like the Scottish word 'loch' in loch Ness. A slightly guttural sound.) It's only a pet peeve and I would correct her if she said it in front of me. In a cheeky way, of course! Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:50:24 EDT From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: The Boston '83 Concert on the Commons In a message dated 10/25/00 1:02:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rustytrazom@hotmail.com writes: << She sat at the piano just once..it was "Chinese Cafe". She played about a verse and then stopped and apologized for the poor quality of the sound, saying that they really hadn't had time to make superior to what it was...sounded great to me...but, then again, I am not a Genius/Goddess. She left the stage again..and a LOT of people left. The faithful were able to get down to the stage...and for about 20 minutes we chanted Jo-ni, Jo-ni. She finally came out, being supported by Klein and one of the band guys. They were holding her up under her arms... She shook them off, bounced (mildly) off one of the speakers...strapped on her electric guitar and proceeded to give the most amazing 30 minutes of just herself playing, singing and walking around the stage. If I had died right then, I wouldn't have cared. She ended with "Woodstock". I have the shivers just remembering that from 17 years ago. >> russ, that is too funny! i have NO recollection of her sitting at the piano and none whatsoever of her coming back for an encore. as i said, i remember the concert ending abruptly (with woodstock) and her backing off stage without so much as a goodnight. my memory of this is actually kind of vivid, because the lights came up and the doors opened and everyone was looking around like "its over?" but i have no doubt that your memory is the more accurate, especially if you took notes! (that is so cute! us joni fans are a cute bunch, aren't we?) still, its odd! the famous unreliability of eyewitnesses made real! and to clear up a few misperceptions... my wife is NOT a joni fan (she has other qualities...like putting up with me!) i had to twist her arm to come to this show, convinced if she just SAW a show she would be CONVERTED to my little cult and maybe dye her hair blonde and take up the guitar...but joni didn't play along and i have had to endure the 16 years since hearing ad nauseum how AWFUL poor joni behaved. can you believe it? i am not even allowed to play joni mitchell in the house! i have to ride around in my car with joni blaring out the windows!!! (i only get cars with A list stereo systems!) it used to be a running joke in our house that we would divorce someday and joni would be named a co-respondent, which i always thought sounded pretty cool... and wally, telling me i look like john lennon is the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a LONG time. but please, don't encourage me...i suffer from enough delusions. finally, thanks to you all for your good thoughts. it was wonderful to see ashara, and she deserves a special award for taking time out of her busy day to find time for me. it was a wonderful gift, having her pop in like she did. she's an angel in disguise. the truth is (and i am sorry it has taken me so long to tell all of you this) but i have been bouyed by all of your many kindnesses and good wishes, spoken or not, on so many occasions. i hear so often from frustrated people who don't know what they can do. one of the many lessons in all this is that a simple "i am thinking of you" means a great deal, and does more than you would ever think. here's a story i will share it with all of you. when this began, the day after judy's first brain surgery, (she's had five now...) and shortly after her surgeon broke the news that it was a terminal situation, i left judy's bedside and went down to have a smoke and get a cuppa joe. i got half way through the lobby and, well, i just kind of fell into a million billion little pieces, right in front of everyone. it was terrible, because (believe it or not) i really am not given to public displays of emotion. but i couldn't help it. dr. black's words filtered in through the haze and i realized that we were going to lose her and i thought of our beautiful daughters and i started to sob. i had no kleenex and to my horror realized that intense crying is a very messy business. so i sat down in a corner of the lobby and covered my face and just choked and gasped and cried like a big baby. i don't know how long this went on, but it seemed like forever. then i finally caught my breath and "composed" myself and left. the next day, i was passing through the lobby again and a man came up to me, very warm and friendly and extended his hand. "how are you doing?" he asked. i was confused. he acted like he knew me, but i could not place the face. i slowly extended my hand and he took it in his. "i'm ok." i said. you know how it is when you bump into someone you think you know, or should know? my brain was scrambling to figure out who he was. "are things any better today?" he asked. i wanted my hand back, but he held on. "no, not really." i said. then, finally it seemed best to just come clean. "do i know you?" i asked. still holding my hand he said "no, you don't. but i saw you yesterday and you seemed so upset, and i wanted to come over to see if i could help, but i wasn't sure if i should intrude. but i want you to know that i said a prayer for you last night, and i will again tonight, and i hope things get better soon." then he pulled me to him and HUGGED me! "god bless you" he said. i was absolutely overwhelmed. it was one of the most selfless, kindest gestures, and it made such an impression on me. it chokes me up to this day! and it taught me that those little things really do matter, and they are important, and they do help - more than you might ever guess. and for all of you, whether you have emailed me privately, or publically, or called me or come to visit me, or just sent me your good thoughts, or even remembered me and my family in your prayers, those things do matter and, at times, have made all the difference for me. i will never forget! and i thank you. things are not good here. judy is in bad shape, and declining noticably day by day. i would like us all, very much, to have many, many more holidays together, but if that can't be, i would so like us to have at least this coming one. just one more, please. and i believe we will. we might. i try to be hopeful and not fill myself with dread and i refuse to believe the worst until they tell it to my face...but it doesn't look good. i hate to fill up the list with this stuff. i know it's out of place. and we have all been feeling sad already, over dear kenny. but it's easier for me to do it this way than to respond to the several messages i've received off list and on. to those of you who feel strongly about such things, i hope you can let this one go by. thanks again to everyone, and bless all your pointy little heads. love and peace, ric ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #564 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?