From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #561 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 24 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 561 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Boy George, redux [catman ] NJC and not so long [Vince Lavieri ] Presents Vs. Presence ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: Boy George, redux NJC ["Hell" ] Re: friday night & the church of joni NJC and LONG ["Hell" ] Re: friday night & the church of joni NJC and LONG ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] * Bob Mueller's _SECOND_ search on the Internet, NJC, LONG but funny ["Ji] briliant observation Paul I [dogbyte@aloha.net (french)] Re: Joni, Vincent [FredNow@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:15:57 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Boy George, redux according to the news here, George Micahel bought it and it was the piano Lennon wrote Imagine on. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:09:52 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC and not so long This is a group of people that will spend weeks debating whether one song is better than another song, and whether one cover is better than another cover, and ranking songs and performers the way the AP Football poll rates football teams. So before we spend weeks debating what brings us together, let me offer: community. A community of people who like each other, love each other in some cases, share a multitude of common interests, and share those in our community. We are friends whom we share things with when other people in our lives aren't interested. We are friends; we are given our families but we choose our friends. We are community, a daily community where one can drop in and find something, or not, but always knowing that tomorrow there will be more offered. A community. of people. who like each other. love each other in some cases. A community that continues to welcome, surprise, thrill, educate, support, care, share, grow, deepen. This is is a living community. We miss each other when we are away. This is community. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:49:30 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Presents Vs. Presence Paul wrote "How do you know she mean "presence"? I am sure people were putting things like flowers and such on the stage fher. I have always thought she meant "presents," just like you and your sister do at Christmas." I have to agree with him here, I picture Joni saying this with her arms wrapped around flowers and stuffed animals, sort of like Stevie Nicks is always adorned with crap as she leaves the stage...Stevie's always crying though. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:16:25 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Boy George, redux NJC Jiim wrote: > I read in the Sunday paper that Boy George was the high bidder for a piano > that belonged to John Lennon. (I don't remember if it was the white one > that he wrote "Imagine" on - it's hard to believe that Yoko would sell THAT > one!) Anyway, he plans to write something with it and then donate it to a > John Lennon museum in Liverpool. (2.1 million American dollars) As others have already said, it was George Michael, who paid 1.45 million pounds, and it was the piano on which Lennon wrote "Imagine". He also said that compared with "Imagine", the song he writes will "probably be Chopsticks in comparison" - at least he's honest! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:30:24 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: friday night & the church of joni NJC and LONG Mags (and Brian) asked: > tell me what brought you here in the first place and > what keeps you coming back? Several reasons brought me here, ie. love of Joni's music, love of Joni's lyrics, love of Joni's art, the facility to discuss Joni's work with others who appreciate her as much as I do. But there are also several reasons that have made me stay. This list is pretty special and unique. Yes, we discuss Joni, but we're not totally closed-minded about her like other lists. I was on a Carole King list for a short time, but left pretty quickly when it became apparent that no criticism of her or her work was condoned. I love Joni but she has her faults (as we all do) and I don't want to stay somewhere where I can't be allowed to discuss the bad as well as the good! We also stray off topic quite often (particularly in Joni's "down" times, ie. not recording, touring, etc.), but Les has cleverly and kindly allowed us the Only-Joni option so those that aren't interested or don't have time for it can be catered for. I would add though, that I find the off-topic discussions here far more interesting than those on other lists. There was one period on the CSN-list where there were literally hundreds of emails on what soft-drinks people drank growing up (US only). Pretty boring for a Kiwi like me - and they have no CSN-only option! We have the odd-flame war here, but again, it's nothing compared to other lists, as I think many of us realise - although maybe some don't! Believe me, most of these are nothing! Although I never thought it was possible over the cyber-waves, I think I know some of you pretty well, and can call many of you friends, although we've never met. Some of this is simply because we both love Joni, but it's also because (as Jimmy pointed out) the people that are here tend to be more friendly and accepting than on other lists. I guess we have Joni to thank for that. Helen - signing myself as befits the seriousness of this post! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:28:20 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Boy George, redux NJC catman wrote: > > according to the news here, George Micahel bought it and it was the piano Lennon wrote > Imagine on. So I hear he's going to write something on it? Given his prolific output over the last 10 years (NOT!), it'd be something short of miracle. For a songsmith so prolific in his early career, he's certainly taking his time these days. Guess he's living rather than creating. Fair enough. He doesn't need the money anymore. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:53:35 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: friday night & the church of joni NJC and LONG Mags said, >>>>>> I have spent so much of my life feeling "different" and yet, amidst this wonderful sea of joni loving souls, I dont. I cannot even begin to articulate what this means. >>>>> Ditto, kiddo. The List and Fests have been a God-send, for this sinner. For this loner. For this hitcher. For this prisoner. Of the fine white lines. Of the white lines. On the free, freeway. It's all connected too. Like Mueller, the _second_ thing* I typed into a search engine were the words: "Joni Mitchell", which of course, lead to Wally's site (now JJ's site). In devouring it, I found Les's List on the old server which I joined immediately, grunting out "HELL YES!!" Mags was looking for answers. Since she was so helpful to me last week, I'll take a crack at her questions: >>>>>>>>>She said: the purpose of this post to try to figure out what makes 'us' different? >>>>>>>>> Well, we are all different, aren't we? I mean ALL of us, on the planet are different. As another poet, Crissy Hynde observed, "We are all of us in the gutter. Some of us are lookin' at the stars!" For me, the thing that Joni does that noone else does is stand outside her self, like I do. At least that's the way I see it. I stand outside myself and go, "Well, okay, we had a great time last night but now she's gonna try to push her hand in some way." She's kinda removed from the physical plane somehow. Above it, even as she's on it, observing even as she's involved in it. Cynical, for sure, but not merely cynical. Anyway, for those of us who are in it for the lyrics, you know what I'm saying- she's unique. And since that ability is special to me- way, WAY more special than sitcoms and football, I'm still here. There's a rare vibe in this world & Joni has that vibe. And I am tuned, for better or worse, to that frequency. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:20:09 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re; Joni Songs Sung By Others I would like to hear Mavis Staples cover something! She has a fantastic voice and range. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:11:55 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: * Bob Mueller's _SECOND_ search on the Internet, NJC, LONG but funny * This is an inside joke. If you weren't at the New Orleans' JoniFest (aka PazFest #1), then here's the joke. It was at PazFest #1 at a rock club in New Orleans called The Howlin' Wolf. Leslie Mixon read a remembrance of Wally (written especially by JJ) while we passed out lighted candles to every member of the audience. JJ had picked out "Tiger Bones" and since he couldn't make it, I co-ordinate with Michael's sound guy to play it. So there's this solemn moment. Everyone's thinking about death and loss, holding these candles, in contemplation. Paz introduces Bob Mueller who walks up to the mic with a 6 string.......... I'm standing at the rear of the stage, taking a picture of the candle-lit audience, wondering how Mueller's gonna get out of this........ mood. He stands at the mic....... (candles flickering) already fully tuned.......... for a long moment........... Once he has everyone's attention he says, at last he says "I can't believe what I have to _follow_ sometimes!" Well, the place fell out with laughter. Absolutely fell OUT! Then Bob told the audience that he was part of this Joni Mitchell Discussion List on the Internet. I think he introduced Les. Then he told his story. He said that the first time he used a search engine, like Yahoo!, he typed in the words....... "Naked Kinky Coeds"....... or something. And everyone fell out again! (Bob, help me out- what exactly did you type in?) Then Bob says that the SECOND thing he typed into a search engine was the phrase "Joni Mitchell". He found a wealth of information on (then) Wally's site which he loved. And a link to like-minded individuals at www.jmdl.com. Anyway, it was a night for the ages. (Marcel's phrase.) npimh: "Thanks For The Memories" Awaiting a flood of corrections from Michael Y., Bob M. and Paul I, :) Jim L'Hommedieu (I'm posting the picture on Catgirl's wonderful Picture List. I couldn't find it in the archives so I don't think it's been posted before.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:47:32 -1000 (HST) From: dogbyte@aloha.net (french) Subject: briliant observation Paul I >PAUL I wrote; I expect therre was not much rancor among the artists to do something from >her more recent albums, but maybe that's because Joni is about 20 years ahead >of her time, so the generation that will cover Turbulent Indigo is still in >grammar school. > >Paul I you are sooooo right on this point PaulI, to me i think those who are so far in front of the music thing doing covers in itself is kind of being lazy or not able to be original and taking advantage of their fame like 'coasting' . i'm not a collector of covers, i know joni covered much on 'both sides now' and though i like the sound and sanging she had did, i want her to be new in her own style like the artist she is thats why i love joni. i hope her next project has a more 'hands on' instrument wise. i'm sorry you don't like Boy George, i thought he had a good tune 'crying game' that was a new hook then and i cant remember him doing covers, also he's very fashionable and applies his makeup better than any bitch in my town.... NP tears for fears 'woman in chains' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 02:03:00 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, Vincent "Victor Johnson" >I would tend to agree with Jamie here, that >she was just making small talk and finding an amusing way to deal with the >situation. It's not like this is a serious "60" minutes interview. I >don't see what the big deal is really. I agree that she was wryly dealing with the situation. It's not a BIG deal, but whatever size deal it is, it's meaningful to some extent. It's long been a part of the Joni canon (until only recently) that she doesn't like to look back, and rarely performed older songs. That's why on her more recent tours (with Dylan, pre-orchestra) so many were so delighted that she did indeed sing some older songs. And she did them without the audience having to shout requests, which I agree, is often a drag. My prior suggestion that an artist can give the audience a small taste of comfort and familiarity while still presenting new material remains valid. "Mark or Travis" wrote" >>But Jamie, she's using that illustration to fend off requests for >>her to sing an old song. > >Fred that doesn't make sense. The song she follows that monologue up >with is 'The Circle Game' Are we sure that what is on record is chronologically sequential? Edits can imperceptible. I haven't gone back to check, but does she say anything like " ... paint a Starry Night again ... and now we're gonna do Circle Game"? If not, it could be an out of sequence edit. "Kakki" wrote: >>Not to gang up on Fred (really Fred!) but I had this thought of Fred >>playing with his jazz band in a stylish sophisticated setting and >>wondering how he would respond if several people in the audience >>started disrupting the planned set yelling out requests. Fred, you >>may have had a better comeback or analogy, but as far as the way >>Joni diverted the attention, I think she was successful for coming >>up with something clever on short notice. People yelling out requests during my set would be a welcome improvement; I played versus a large table of loud, drunk Russians last Saturday ... they were yelling, but it had nothing to do with the music. But I agree that Joni is successful at diffusing the tension, and I do realize that straddling the line between pleasing one's self as an artist and pleasing the audience is a difficult task. If an artist wants to concentrate exclusively on new material, that's great with me, or wants just to do hits (as long as they're freshly performed), that's cool, too. I understand both motives. I agree: she's not into denying the audience, she does do some older songs on the MOA gigs (well, they're not as old then as they are now), and she is gently trying to push the audience into accepting some new stuff ... that's all fine and well. But her specific analogy, which is clearly a response to requests for older songs, falls apart upon examination. I want to remind everyone that I began my diatribe by saying this bit of illogic on Joni's part is an admitted pet peeve of mine; I've never said that I can't go at it over a relatively picayune issue like this with the best of them. C'mon ... sometimes it's fun to argue about nothing. Besides, it's fine if Joni doesn't always make perfect sense, isn't it? She's still SIQUOMB, isn't she? - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #561 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?