From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #558 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Sunday, October 22 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 558 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: BOY GEORGE on Bowie, Joni, Vincent [FredNow@aol.com] Kenny and Wallyb-and some card stuff [JoniMessages@aol.com] a buffalo? NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ann=E9e_derni=E8re_=E0_Marienbad=2C_L'_=281961=29_njc?= ["] Re: sopranos and coloratura njc [Deb Messling ] Re: a buffalo? NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: a buffalo? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Covers and Birthday [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Ann=E9e=20derni=E8re=20=E0=20Marienbad,=20L?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?'=20(1961)=20njc?= [] Re: a buffalo? NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: BOY GEORGE on Bowie, Joni, Vincent ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Songs joni should cover RE: ["Blair Fraipont" ] voice ranges - if Joni gave up smoking ["william" ] Re: voice ranges (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] In The Beginning NJC [catman ] Re: voice ranges (NJC) (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: was New York ...just the way... now:Chase off those stay-at-home blues [RoseMJoy@ao] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Ann=E9e_derni=E8re_=E0_Marienbad=2C_L'_=281961=29_njc?= ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: voice ranges - if Joni gave up smoking ["Wally Kairuz" ] messiah!!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 03:06:59 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: BOY GEORGE on Bowie, Joni, Vincent "Diane Evans" wrote: >>A song IS meant to be repeated again and again but it doesn't=20 mean >>an artist is always destined to do only that one tune (even in >>endless=20 variations), don't you think? Part of the joy of a concert >>is going with=20 the mood of the performer and that way you're treated >>to what the performer=20 is in best form/frame of mind to give you. If >>THE devine Ms. M was excited=20 about her new material I can see how >>she would be frustrated about being=20 asked to do the same old thing. Like I said in my post, "while I completely support any artist's prerogative= =20 to sing or not sing something, her analogy is false." And that=92s really th= e=20 crux -- as a performing composer myself I absolutely understand Joni's desir= e=20 to perform new stuff, leave the old behind, and it can be frustrating to=20 fight the audience's inertia in this regard. It's just that her illustration= =20 is false and misleading. On the other, although I can relate to this frustration, I also feel obligat= ed , in a grateful way, to "dance with those that brung me." If so many people=20 resonate with a particular song, why wouldn't I want to satisfy their jones=20 as long as it doesn't preclude playing new material? One hit among a=20 half-dozen new songs is really not too much to ask from those who enable my=20 forum, much less put bread on my table. And I'm gonna play the shit out of=20 that hit, and make it new again. (By the way, thanks Hell and WallyK.) - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 04:04:09 EDT From: JoniMessages@aol.com Subject: Kenny and Wallyb-and some card stuff Wally, and now Kenny. I'm very sad. I didn't correspond with Kenny much, but I knew he was around -- when Wally was dealing with the nightmares of chemo, Kenny sent many encouraging email messages that cheered Wally considerably, as well as kind, empathic messages of support to both of us as the end drew near. I'm sure they're enjoying each other's company now. I think back every day to Wally's death in February, and very often remember the great outpouring of sorrow and support from many of you just before BSN was released; I think of Kenny now as I work with everyone on Joni's birthday card. This is different, though. Although I'm sure Kenny knew he was loved, we all knew Wally would be leaving us, and were able to say our goodbyes. This happened so fast... I think we're very fortunate to have something in common that brings us together with such great joy, and glad that as with Wally, we'll be able to create fond memories of Kenny in the context of the many wonderful things we share. My thoughts are with Steve, and with everyone who is still in shock from this sudden loss of a goodhearted friend. Big sigh. Then a quiet moment. So I do now as I did then, working to hopefully bring a little smile to Joni and her Internet friends in my suddenly insignificant way, under such sorrowful circumstances... the project right now, of course, is the birthday card, and I hope you're all enjoying the pics I've put up. I wanted to reply to questions I've received that run along the lines of these two: >>Do we have to pick only one? Can't we pick them all, with a multi-page format? I hate to choose amongst friends and amongst all worthy concepts. >>Is someone who's good at computer collages able to meld all the entries, somehow? I loved the earlier pallette-shaped birthday card. The images (all potent icons for Joni; an "American Spirit" pack, Billie Holiday, and many others I can't recall - I couldn't find the card on either JMDL website or JoniMitchell.com) were assembled and their edges blurred -very nice - We're going to have to stick with one image this time -- the logistics of collecting all the images and reproducing them in a high-resolution collage format for print could get unruly in the extreme, especially given the time constraints. I designed the pallette card, and it was a BIG project. It took time to collect all those pieces of artwork, scan/resize them, and then do the design and production so everything would work together as one effective image at print resolution (it takes a lot more dots per inch to print a good picture than it does to display it on a computer screen, as I'm sure many of you know). Sorry for the techie blubbering, but while I'm at it, this might be a good time to remind everyone that I need to have the image I end up using sent to me at least at 150 dpi. It's the thought that counts, of course, but I'd still like it to look good! Don't forget to drop me a quick line at JoniMessages@aol.com by Sunday to let me know which image you like. And thanks to all of you for being who you are. jj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 05:19:52 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: a buffalo? NJC now what does that mean exactly? that i'm a buffalo? mg, don't be naughty! just because you have those washboard abs doesn't mean you can call me a buffalo. jimmy! help me! the lady's scaring me! wallyk, ''oh build me a home, where the buffalo roam and the deer and the antelope are gay'' another line from victor/victoria... Well, I think that you can very safely call the man "buff" cuz he is. Wally Fan #1 MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 05:28:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ann=E9e_derni=E8re_=E0_Marienbad=2C_L'_=281961=29_njc?= oh my god! are you psychic????? i'm totally flabbergasted! i rented ''last year in marienbad'' today!!!!! i'm having friends over for dinner and we are seeing it tomorrow! now this is trippy. what is going on? wallyk, befuddled! - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de relayer211@aol.com Enviado el: Sábado, 21 de Octubre de 2000 02:17 a.m. Para: Joni@smoe.org CC: relayer211@aol.com Asunto: IMDb: Année derničre ŕ Marienbad, L' (1961) An Internet Movie Database (www.IMDb.com) page has been sent to you by: relayer211@aol.com. Comment from the sender: Thought you'd be interested in this info at IMDb.com. Enjoy! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 07:14:40 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: sopranos and coloratura njc But if age changes our anatomies (it did mine!) then can't the "anatomical fact" of one's voice change also? I used to be a brunette, but now I'm a grayette. Both are anatomical facts! At 11:29 PM 10/20/00 -0300, you wrote: >, but being a >soprano is pretty much an anatomical fact, something related to the way your >vocal cords are designed, the length and thickness of your neck, the >capacity of your lungs, etc.. technique will give you better muscular >control, and you may eventually hit very high notes, but being a soprano or >a mezzo is very much like being a blonde or a brunette. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 07:16:37 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: a buffalo? NJC In a message dated 10/21/00 1:18:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << now what does that mean exactly? that i'm a buffalo? mg, don't be naughty! just because you have those washboard abs doesn't mean you can call me a buffalo. jimmy! help me! the lady's scaring me! >> Oh my! You are so far from the truth. To be "buff" means that you are a toothsome dish. Audience members, don't you agree? Votes are being taken at 1-800-wallyisbuff now. Free set of steak knifes engraved with astrological signs for the first 10 callers. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:12:44 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: a buffalo? NJC << Audience members, don't you agree? >> I'm not gonna cast a vote on Wally being 'buff' or even Buffy for that matter, but I WILL cast a vote for his being a wonderful human being! When I returned from Boston, my son was admiring my "good luck" bracelet that Wally gave us at Ashara's. When I commented that my son had a birthday and liked the bracelet, Wally responded by sending me THREE along with a note: "Hi there! Here go three lucky bracelets from Argentina. One for Bob's son (and I hope this makes it by October 1st) The other two, well...in case of future 'bad luck emergencies'. Or better yet, you can share them with someone special. Remember though: Bad luck is most times good luck seen from the other end of the telescope, meaning...oh well, Daddy will explain (He He He). Love, Wally" Wally, I wish you could have seen the smile on Nathan's face when he got your package & letter! I hope you don't mind me sharing your note with the list...in the wake of our loss of Kenny, I didn't want the opportunity to pass by without letting you know what a special person you are... Buff? Sure, why not! :~) Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Survival" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:22:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers and Birthday << Thanks for acknowledging me Bob, and I must say, it was nice to be able to contribute to the project! >> And I'll add that Helen even scored bonus points for providing 3 pages of liner notes. Here's what she said about "When The Cat's Away/Big Yellow Taxi": "The next is by a group When The Cat's Away - a group of 5 NZ women (Dianne Swann, Kim Willoughby, Margaret Ulrich, Debbie Harwood and Annie Crummer) who started a small "covers" band to tour small bars & clubs. They were all involved in other bands and projects and started this as a kind of "fun" thing to do over the summer. But they were so popular, the whole thing snowballed, and they ended up with a country-wide tour. The song was the B-side on the single "Free Ride" (a No. 1 hit)." A pretty cool story that I thought deserves a larger audience. Thanks again Hell! << I'm picturing a hand-made box containing all the CD's, with an appropriate image etched on the top. I'm even volunteering to make it, assuming someone (ie. Bob) provides me with the required dimensions, or at least the total number of CDs!? >> Better start building the Ark now, Hell...the treasure chest is up to 15 CD's and climbing! :~) Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Jet Set" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:12:30 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Ann=E9e=20derni=E8re=20=E0=20Marienbad,=20L?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?'=20(1961)=20njc?= In a message dated 10/21/00 4:27:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << oh my god! are you psychic????? i'm totally flabbergasted! i rented ''last year in marienbad'' today!!!!! i'm having friends over for dinner and we are seeing it tomorrow! now this is trippy. what is going on? wallyk, befuddled! >> well,to be honest,I do have "psychic like" things happen to me all the time(I think of a song,I turn on the tv that second,and the exact song I am thinking about is playing on tv for example),but in this situation,I simply wanted to share this review with the group.LYAM is one of my favorite movies.I hope you enjoy it!(again,if you've seen it before.)by the way,if you've seen it,have you noticed Hitchcock in it? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:52:32 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: a buffalo? NJC Wally wrote: << << now what does that mean exactly? that i'm a buffalo? mg, don't be naughty! just because you have those washboard abs doesn't mean you can call me a buffalo. jimmy! help me! the lady's scaring me! >> and MG replied: < Oh my! You are so far from the truth. To be "buff" means that you are a toothsome dish. >> Don't worry Wally. MG is just praising you. Of course "buff" can also mean that you are naked as well as being a fan. AND if you are a fan of opera and you listen to it while being nude AND you are a toothsome dish, then she could say that you are a buff buff in the buff :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 14:54:38 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: BOY GEORGE on Bowie, Joni, Vincent While I agree with this - and it is well put, the thing that we forget is the Joni was actually high-lighting the differences between the two worlds. To quote: 'That's one thing that's like, a, been a MAJOR DIFFERENCE to me between a performing arts to me and being a painter, y'know... like a painter does a painting and he does a painting, that's it. He's had the joy of creating it, and he hangs it on some wall and somebody buys it, somebody buys it again, or maybe nobody buys it and it sits up in some loft until he dies. But he's never, they, nobody ever says to him, nobody ever said to Van Gogh, 'Paint a Starry Night, again, man. hehehe. He painted it, that was it!' She was talking about the differences between the two, not the similarities. And wasn't using one as an analogy for the other, just using them to point up the difference of the other. I have always found that line very funny and I think she says it with humour, and not as some reviewers have claimed that she was complaining at her audience. I have, however, heard Joni complaining that some of her fans want her to just 'bleed for them forever' (Late Show with Tracey McCleod, BBC 2 1997- it's also on a video tree) and this is the only time that the singer/painter analogy can be used correctly. (Is analogy the right word here? I'm not sure) She doesn't revisit the old heartaches or even guitar styles in her newer work but she will certainly sing (some of) them in her concerts. Even if none of it is earlier than 1974! In the new album, hopefully she will include some more from the other albums (apart from ACOY and BSN that is). Hopefully Ludwig's Tune will make it onto the final cut of the new album. As to Joni singing the older songs, yes she is a great performer of songs, she puts herself straight into the middle of the emotional landscape of the songs and pins you to the wall with her honesty and she probably couldn't sing the same song the same way, two nights running. I have, however heard some people (even on the list! shock, horror!) say that they don't like the way she rearranges the old songs into a band or with a slightly different melodic line. She is an observer of the times, if the times means the heartache that she is going through, or a newspaper article or a friend's personal tragedy, that is what she'll write about. She's an artist. She's not going to paint a starry night again. I hope the next album will be a revisitation of the older work. It will be a very different picture from when she first unveiled them 10, 20, 30 years ago, but knowing her, it will be just as clear. Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >Somebody told me that at >one of her gigs, someone was shouting out for her to do "Big Yellow Taxi," and >she was like, "My God! I bet Van Gogh never got people shouting out, 'Paint >another "Starry Night"!' Music is one of the few art forms where people >are constantly demanding that you repeat yourself. My pet peeve alarm just went off ... I've been up on this soapbox before, but it's been awhile and this gives me the perfect excuse to climb on again. Now, I dearly love Joni Mitchell in so many ways, but she (and Boy George) are dead wrong about this. Singing is a performing art, painting isn't. No one was asking her to *write* (create, paint) another "Starry Night," only to *sing* (perform) it again. Songs, by their very nature and function, are meant to be sung again., and while I completely support any artist's prerogative to sing or not sing something, her analogy is false. And now, of course, even Joni herself is revisiting older material. To sing a song again is *not* repeating oneself, because no one -- especially someone of Joni's caliber, with her improvisatory, jazz musician's sensibility -- could ever sing a song the same way twice. In fact, that's the exact point of singing the same songs over and over again ... change is a constant, the world turns every day. Even if the day-to-day differences are subtle details, it's never the same; a great artist can potentially breathe new life born of cumulative years of living into it. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:07:02 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: a buffalo? NJC In a message dated 10/21/00 6:52:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, FMY FL writes: << hen she could say that you are a buff buff in the buff :~) >> That really slays me! Is this guy versatile or what???? MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:33:57 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC - CD burning question Diane Evans wrote: > > >Also, does anyone know of any good (preferably free) software to create > >liners etc. for CDs, with artwork, play lists etc.? I like Ultimate Label Maker Pro recommended to me by Mark D. It's not free, but very cheap. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:44:23 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's Soprano? (Now NJC) Mark or Travis wrote: > > > > Your vocal range (notes you can hit.) > > Highest notes - soprano > > next - mezzo > > lower - alto > > Then what is a 'coloratura'? One of the strippers from Gypsy. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:31:48 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: a buffalo? NJC In a message dated 10/21/00 10:16:29 AM, MGVal@aol.com writes about Jimmy: << Is this guy versatile or what???? >> That's what everyone says... Love you, Jimmy! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:35:50 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni's Soprano? (Now NJC) > > Then what is a 'coloratura'? > > One of the strippers from Gypsy. > > Jerry > > Wasn't that Tessie Tura? 'Bless me Tessis Tura Is so much more demurer That all them other ladies because You gotta have a gimmick If you wanna get applause' Let's see, where *did* I put that g-string? Mark in Seattle - bumping & grinding on a Saturday morning ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:16:55 EDT From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Songs joni should cover RE: I think joni should cover Frank Zappa's "Dont eat the yellow snow".. it would be great.. or she could create lyrics to "Eat a Question" and that would be just beautiful. I really love how everyone on here is very supportive and loving. I mean, the way that all of you care about Kenny and sharing emails and memories, I love that caring aspect in people. I am glad i am on this list. blair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:45:05 +0700 From: "william" Subject: voice ranges - if Joni gave up smoking I read with great interest Wally K's encyclopaedic explanation of the voice ranges. What a post! Still confused about how someone i.e. Joni is still a soprano. . Yeh but people end up with different hair colour from when they were born. (He said wisely with a giggle). If Joni quit smoking, would her voice return to the halcyon days of The Arrangement? Out of curiosity I'd be interested to know the range of well known one-off voices in the busipopness. Neil Young, Frank Sinatra, Robert Plant, Dr John, Prince, Billy Holiday. As a "singer" myself not knowing if I'm a blonde, brunette, blackhead or a strawberry tart, can you "pitch" these guys so I can compare? Thanks Wally. Willy the Shake I'll have a stab at it Neil Y - falsetto Frank S - tenor Robert P - alto Dr J - bass Prince - everything Billie H - mezzo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:42:19 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Kenny Grant-Thoughts Unlike many of you who have written personal remembrances, I didn't know Kenny at all except a brief sentence here and there when he graciously made me a tape tree or two. There are some things I've noticed while reading over the posts lately: Kenny was highly admired by everyone for his great spirit, generosity, and kind heart. Steve shared that he had been listening to Joni intensely for the past week or two -- a wonderful way to spend time and I'm glad to hear of the joy he got out of it. Kenny was thrilled to be part of the Joni Fests he attended. Of course the fact that he's gone is so sad and my heart is with his family and loved ones, but all in all, it sounds like a pretty good way to leave this life, with great joy in your soul and the admiration of many. I hope someone will keep these many loving posts and somehow get them to Steve or Kenny's family so they may see how much he touched people, many of whom he never met. I hope Kenny and Wally are enjoying a spectacular Joni Fest of their own. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 14:16:54 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: voice ranges (NJC) > Neil Y - falsetto > Frank S - tenor > Robert P - alto > Dr J - bass > Prince - everything > Billie H - mezzo > I wouldn't classify Neil Young as falsetto but rather a tenor with an unusually good range. For the most part he sings in his natural voice which has a quality to it that some people love and others can't stand. In the past he may have used some falsetto but that would be the exception rather than the rule. Victor NP:Neil Young Silver and Gold ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:37:19 +0100 From: catman Subject: In The Beginning NJC In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth. And the Earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And Satan said, "It doesn't get any better than this." And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit," and God saw that it was good. And Satan said, "There goes the neighborhood." And God said, "Let us make Man in our image, after our likeness, and let him have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle, and over all the Earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the Earth." And so God created Man in his own image. And God looked upon Man and Woman and saw that they were lean and fit. And Satan said, "I know how I can get back in this game." And God populated the earth with broccoli and cauliflower and spinach, green and yellow vegetables of all kinds, so Man and Woman would live long and healthy lives. And Satan created McDonald's. And McDonald's brought forth the 99-cent double cheeseburger. And Satan said to Man, "You want fries with that?" And Satan said, "Supersize them." And Man gained 5 pounds. And God created the healthful yogurt, that woman might keep her figure that man found so fair. And Satan brought forth chocolate. And Woman gained 5 pounds. And God said, "Try my crispy fresh salad." And Satan brought forth Ben and Jerry's. And Woman gained 10 pounds. And God said, "I have sent thee heart-healthy vegetables and olive oil with which to cook them." And Satan brought forth chicken-fried steak so big it needed its own platter. And Man gained 10 pounds and his bad cholesterol went through the roof. And God brought forth running shoes and Man resolved to lose those extra pounds. And Satan brought forth cable TV with remote control so Man would not have to toil to change channels between ESPN and ESPN2. And Man gained another 20 pounds. And God said, "You're running up the score, Devil." And God brought forth the potato, a vegetable naturally low in fat and brimming with nutrition. And Satan peeled off the healthful skin and sliced the starchy center into chips and deep-fat fried them. And he created sour cream dip, also. And Man clutched his remote control and ate the potato chips swaddled in cholesterol. And Satan saw and said, "It is good." And Man went into cardiac arrest. And God sighed and created quadruple bypass surgery. Then Satan created HMOs. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:35:33 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: voice ranges (NJC) (md) Neil Young , a tenor, interesting. In the CSNY ensemble nash was the tenor, stills did the next part, then Crosby then Young. Or sometimes Crosby and young inverted their parts. Lots of play in there. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:17:11 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: was New York ...just the way... now:Chase off those stay-at-home blues How 'bout it New Yorker's Who's in tomorrow for the Met Museum of Art Julius was also thinking lunch or something... so far: Patrick Nikki me Julius May Jeff, Alison? Rose in NJ Night In The City by Joni Mitchell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -- Light up light up Light up your lazy blue eyes Moon's up nights up Taking the town by surprise Night time night time Day left an hour ago City light time Must you get ready so slow There are places to come from and places to go Night in the city looks pretty to me Night in the city looks fine Music comes spilling out into the street Colors go flashing in time Take off take off Take off your stay-at-home shoes Break off shake off Chase off those stay-at-home blues Stairway stairway Down to the crowds in the street They go their way Looking for faces to greet But we run on laughing with no one to meet Night in the city looks pretty to me Night in the city looks fine Music comes spilling out into the street Colors go waltzing in time ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:40:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Ann=E9e_derni=E8re_=E0_Marienbad=2C_L'_=281961=29_njc?= isn't hitch one of the guests at the hotel? i last saw the movie a few years ago. so i'll tell you after tonight. and again, congratulations on your psychic skills! are you a scorpio? wallyk - -----Mensaje original----- De: Relayer211@aol.com [mailto:Relayer211@aol.com] Enviado el: Sábado, 21 de Octubre de 2000 10:13 a.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; Joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Année derničre ŕ Marienbad, L' (1961) njc LYAM is one of my favorite movies.I hope you enjoy it!(again,if you've seen it before.)by the way,if you've seen it,have you noticed Hitchcock in it? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:42:52 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: a buffalo? NJC thanks mg! you gave me such a fright! everybody now, sink your teeth on my beauty of body and mind! wallyk, always ready for some action - -----Mensaje original----- De: MGVal@aol.com [mailto:MGVal@aol.com] Enviado el: Sábado, 21 de Octubre de 2000 08:17 a.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: a buffalo? NJC Oh my! You are so far from the truth. To be "buff" means that you are a toothsome dish. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:13:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: voice ranges - if Joni gave up smoking willy the shake wrote: >>>>>still confused about how someone i.e. Joni is still a soprano. . Yeh but people end up with different hair colour from when they were born. >>>>>>>. and then deb added: >>>>>But if age changes our anatomies (it did mine!) then can't the "anatomical fact" of one's voice change also? I used to be a brunette, but now I'm a grayette. Both are anatomical facts!>>>>>> so i panicked and thought i had acquired joni's knack for false analogies. but no, mes petits! that's exactly my point! you begin your life a blonde and you don't become a brunette as you grow old [without chemical enhancement, that is]. you just become a blonde in decline [oh god, how deliciously insulting!]. your hair simply loses its natural color, you don't change ''hair categories''. even grey-haired, a former brunette retains certain characteristics [hair thickness, complexion, etc..] that would identify her as a brunette who has turned grey. our anatomies change for the worse, i'm afraid. the analogy still holds. as to whether joni might improve her voice by giving up smoking ... well, whatever happened, she would be a very cranky joni. anyway, in my arrogant opinion, i don't think so. high notes are very much a matter of muscular control, especially one's diaphragm [the muscle, not the rubber thingy]. one case in point [and will he ever stop showing off his opera queen's background?] is that of australian soprano marjorie lawrence. she was struck by polio when she was singing in mexico in 1941. although she could never walk again, she started rehearsing as soon as she was able to sit at a piano. according to her autobiography [and there's the hollywood movie too!!!], she tried to sing annie laurie , you know, the folk song, the fifth note of which is pretty high, and she couldn't do it. she tried time after time, and whenever she reached that fifth syllable her voice broke into a hideous croak. her husband and her housekeeper were there and they were terrified. they were thinking that she'd lost it, you know, the woman that had sung brunnhilde and isolde at the MET was now a total vocal wreck. but lawrence was elated: she still had a voice!!! when they objected that, yes, she had a voice, but how about being unable to sing, wouldn't that be an obstacle of sorts? she replied, ''oh that's just muscles, you know? a little practice and all the highs will be back.'' and indeed they were! on december 27 [my birthday, incidentally] 1942 [18 years before i was born] she was back at the MET!!! i think that joni might extend her range [not that she needs to] and ''clean'' her timbre [should she want to do so] if she started working on her breathing and her muscular control. this doesn't mean that i think she should do any of this or that she should kill herself or that she should do felt-tip pen drawings again or that i don't love joni mitchell, for god's sake. but you asked. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:59:47 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: Re: Kenny & Joni's Soprano? & Starry Night I am fairly new to this list and didn't know Kenny…he sounds like a neat person, very friendly and giving. I appreciate the reading his biography and the stories of your memories. Am sending hugs to all of you who are saddened by the loss of your friend. ******************** I want to thank Cassy and WallyK for sharing their knowledge of music--I'm in choir at my church, and found all of this very interesting. We are preparing to sing parts of Handel's Messiah, and I think a lot of these songs include coloratura. I love singing them; they are a challenge, but fun, too. >Here are the definitions of the soprano and alto in case you would like more >specific details. > > Soprano: the highest human vocal register, extending approximately from > middle C to the second A above. A voice with a range approximately from the >A below middle C to the second F or G above is termed a mezzo-soprano. ********************** When Joni said this, she wasn't really trying to be totally serious, I think she was goofing around; being kind of silly. >I bet Van Gogh never got people shouting out, 'Paint another "Starry Night"!' > My pet peeve alarm just went off ... - ---Nancy/IA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 03:07:41 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: messiah!!!!! njc hi nancy! welcome! now you'd better get out of bob muller's way! [a well-known handel messiah detractor, to put it mildly!!!!!] hi bob! wallyk - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Nancy Enviado el: Sábado, 21 de Octubre de 2000 05:00 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Kenny & Joni's Soprano? & Starry Night >>>>>>>>> We are preparing to sing parts of Handel's Messiah, and I think a lot of these songs include coloratura. I love singing them; they are a challenge, but fun, too. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #558 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?