From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #555 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Friday, October 20 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 555 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: kenny grant [catman ] Re: kenny grant [Ken ] Re: View Joni's Art On Your Computer [Ken ] Kenny [MGVal@aol.com] kennys parents [mags ] Re: Kenny [KCooper984@aol.com] Kenny's passing [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Kenny ["Kay Ashley" ] Kenny Grant [Emily Kirk Gray ] Re: Kenny (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] kenny [Anne Sandstrom ] Fwd: kenny grant [Susan McNamara ] kenny grant [susan+rick ] Re: Kenny Grant [BarBearUh ] Re: kenny grant [Catherine McKay ] Kenny [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: let me introduce myself NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's voice [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Kenny Grant [Jeff Clark ] Birthday card? [Steve Dulson ] kenny [michael w yarbrough ] Kenny Grant, in memory of..... ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni's Soprano? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Kenny Grant [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Joni's Soprano? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Joni's Soprano? ["Wally Kairuz" ] pins on map NJC ["frank eyre" ] Memorial to Kenny ["Kakki" ] Bowie on Joni and Vincent [Murphycopy@aol.com] BOY GEORGE on Bowie, Joni, Vincent [Murphycopy@aol.com] Dear Kenny [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Birthday card? ["Hell" ] Re: kenny grant ["Hell" ] WBC (Wally Breese Content) - Kate Bush [steve@torchsongs.com] Re: kenny grant [Deb Messling ] RE: Memorial to Kenny ["Wally Kairuz" ] Kenny [AsharaJM@aol.com] Kenny, Part 2 [AsharaJM@aol.com] RE: WBC (Wally Breese Content) - Kate Bush ["patrick leader" ] Re:" Paint another starry night again man" remark [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: kenny ["Diane Evans" ] Kenny [catman ] Re: kenny [Ricw1217@aol.com] Songs I Wish Joni Would Cove ["Happy The Man" ] NJC: mp3 player for PC recommendation? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: kenny grant Kenny and I eamiled occasionally. He was a good man. i am shocked. He was young. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:21:41 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: kenny grant I was so sad to learn that Kenny has left us. Like many others of you Kenny was one of the first I spoke to on the JMDL back at the beginning and his warmth always shone through in his posts. I was lucky enough to meet him in Vancouver at the one and only JMDL group meeting I've ever had a chance to attend. We had supper and after the show all got together for a sing-song into the wee hours. He was nice enough to send me a tape of the Vancouver show after, which I didn't know he had even made. Bye Kenny, I'll remember you. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:31:24 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: View Joni's Art On Your Computer Thanks for the tip, Jim. ;~^) Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Hey JMDLers. I found something yesterday that I overlooked before on Ken > Slarty's 'Shiny Toys' section of Les'es www.JMDL.com. Ken has a collection > of links to dozens of images of Joni's assembled on one page. He thinks of > it as a service to Mac users but PC users (regrettably, like me) can enjoy > them just as easily! [Tech talk: They are jpg files which we can all see.] > > Go to http://www.jmdl.com/shinytoys/art/ and click on a link. You'll be > taken to the image of your choice. Rock on Ken! And thanks to Les for > recognizing the worth of Ken's contribution and giving it a home that's so > easy for all of us to find, use, and enjoy.... Don't blame Ken and Les if > the page whets your appetite for buying a book of Joni's images though. :) > > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:46:40 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Kenny As so many of you, I am beyond words. I met him at Julie's in 1998 and caught up with him at Ashara's the following years. I certainly did not know him well, his soft voice was difficult for me to hear. Still the singular heartbeat of the jmdl family made him my brother and cut through the unfamiliar to bring us immediately to a comfortable place of friendship. As I'm usually apt to say: "life is short, love is precious." Thank you, Kenny for providing us with your precious love. My heart goes out to Steve and Kenny's family. MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:23:44 -0500 From: mags Subject: kennys parents does someone have Kennys parents address? Would you be so kind as to send it to me I would also like Steve's email address if that is possible. heartfelt thanks, love Mags - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:37:53 EDT From: KCooper984@aol.com Subject: Re: Kenny Hi everyone, I have been on the list a long time but mostly sit back in the quiet corner. I corresponded with Kenny a couple times about the meaning of Joni lyrics and I feel he truly embodied the true heart of JMDL. I am still in shock. Life is so short. We all must enjoy every moment that we are given. He will sadly be missed. Sue Cooper ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:48:05 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Kenny's passing I just woke up from a dream and learned about Kenny's passing. I just met Kenny this past Labor Day weekend. He was a sweet man. I am so sad to have learned our loss of our brother, Kenny. (Sigh) He drove back to Manhattan with Alison and I. I still have the remains of his Swedish fish he left in my car. He slept most of the way home. I've been inquired about him because he sent me this e-mail after the fest and I never heard from him again. I sensed that something was terribly wrong. I recall him telling me at the Jonifest that he was having some health problems and that he had to make some changes to his life style (smoking, drinking). This was the email he sent me after the fest that I wanted to share with you. Love, Rose Hey Rose, It was a pleasure making your acquaintaince this weekend, you're a real sweetheart. Sorry I fell asleep for an hour or so and missed the conversation with you and Allison (long car rides always do that to me :-) Gonna be brief cause I started writing a letter to you and something performed an illegal operation, I had to re-boot, and I lost the email....don't ou hate that! Thank you VERY MUCH for giving me a ride back to NYC. I'd like to reciprocate your kindness by making you a couple of cassettes - I also think that no Joniphile should be without her live stuff! I have all 7 of Joni's live performances from her tour in '98 with Dylan and Van Morrison - Joni only - 5/98. I also have a copy of the 11/1/99 ('98???) show at MSG - where she opened for Dylan. I also have 2 BSN shows on cassette - Theater at MSG 5/22 and Camden, NJ, 6/2/00. All recordings are good (A to A-), and all performances are strong. What's you're pleasure? Huggs, -Kenny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:23:04 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Kenny I met Kenny a bit over two years ago at a gathering of JMDLers in NYC. Roberto had come from Canada, Rickie Lee was there, Patrick was there, Pearl, many others... and Kenny and Steve. (I believe this September '98 evening has been immortalized on the JMDL site with photos, etc.) We all had dinner at Joni's favorite Italian restaurant in the West Village (Patrick, help me on the name), then we went club hopping and much imbibing occurred, particularly at Marie's Crisis, a piano bar in the heart of the West Village. I remember very clearly Kenny's smile from that night. He wasn't one of the brassiest singers, but he so thoroughly enjoyed the rest of us making complete asses of ourselves, as we sang, or tried to sing, old show tunes. His presence was always a gentle one. I didn't know Kenny well, but had the opportunity to meet up with him several more times over the past two years, particularly at Duane's lovely apartment. Kenny and I would occasionally check in with each other via email and we had recently exchanged some mail to make plans to have another night at Marie's Crisis with Patrick and maybe others. I'm so sad that I didn't get to see him again. Don't it always seem to go... Maybe one of these days I'll learn not to take time for granted. Kenny, I'm so sorry we didn't spend more time together. I'm infinitely more sad and sorry that you've left this existence way too soon. I hope that there is something better and that you're there, singing and quoting Joni for everyone. Magnets and irons, the souls. Love, Kay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:30:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Kenny Grant i was able to meet kenny once, and he struck me as a big-hearted man, with a wonderful sweet smile and a clear true love for joni's music. i'm sorry he is gone. and i pass on sincere regrets to his loved ones. - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:19:07 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Kenny (md) Unfortunately for me I never had the pleasure of meeting Kenny. The only large gathering of listers I have had the priviledge of meeting was in New Orleans and I guess kenny has gone to the New England gatherings. I will light a candle for Kenny this sunday when I go to church. My sympathies go out to all those closest to him. God bless him and his spirit and may the perpetual light shine upon him. Im sure kenny's spirit will surely grace future gatherings of the JMDL. np. Tiger Bones. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:34:54 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: kenny I'm so sad and shocked to hear of Kenny's passing. This voice in my heart keeps saying "but he was just here!" Probably my fondest memory of Kenny is from JoniFest Sept 99. We shared a microphone on "This Flight Tonight" as part of the F-Troop. Kenny was so happy just to be singing Joni's music. His joy and enthusiasm were infectious. We will all miss you. Sleep peacefully. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:55:19 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: kenny grant thank you, patrick, for relaying this very very sad news. Of course, kenny is one of the originals on the list...and I've had many side conversations with him over the years. Kenny was kind enough to send me (unsolicited) the 1974 concert of Joni at Cornell, which is a sentimental favorite of mine. He was a loving person and I know that even though I never met him. He and Wally are surely singing Joni tunes right now as we speak. God bless them both. In sadness, sue PS...what an amazingly poignant last line for kenny to leave his love steve...if we could all know that kind of love once in our lives we are very rich indeed. sympathy to kenny's family and friends. ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:51:35 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: kenny grant I never met Kenny but I know the pain of losing someone way too early in life. My condolences and heartfelt sympathy to Steve and Kenny's friends and family. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:20:18 -0400 From: BarBearUh Subject: Re: Kenny Grant Les wrote: > He probably did > triple the taping that the rest of the branches did. I always knew I could > count on him to spread the music - selflessly and cheerfully. the first time i met jmdlers was in a NY park for john kelly's show - i met up with kai, patrick and kenny. i think Les summed up his generousness - he often sent me things i didn't even ask for (like the early copy of TTT). he was always spreading joni's music around selflessly. what a sweet person with a heart of gold... barbara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:25:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: kenny grant - --- patrick leader wrote: > i got a call from steven, kenny grant's lover. > kenny passed away this > sunday evening. > I didn't know Kenny at all, but the e-mail that Patrick included in his news of Kenny's death reveals a warm and lovely man, and the responses of all of you are a tribute to that fact. I feel that I did know him after all. NP - Veronique Sanson "Lumiere de jour", a song of Michel Berger, with an appropriate chorus and my translation below. For Kenny - and Steve. Tu es ma lumière du jour Tu es mon ultime recours Et je t'appelle au secours Perdu dans la nuit qui m'entoure Mais comment vivre, dans un trou noir Moi j'ai besoin d'y voir You are the light of my day You are my ultimate recourse I call on you for help When I'm lost in the night that surrounds me How do I live, in a black hole I need to see you here _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:26:31 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Kenny I was fortunate enough to meet Kenny in '99 & '00 at Ashara's. I remember the onstage Dreamland Jam, with both of us fumbling on some of Ashara's percussion. Then this year, when Paz wanted to practice Amelia with me, Kenny joined in on the vocal. It was very moving then, and is certainly an emotional memory for me now. Thanks for the music Kenny, and for the love. I'm already looking forward to all the Jonifests we can enjoy in the hereafter! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:29:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: let me introduce myself NJC <> Hi back to you, and welcome to the list. Looking forward to hearing more from you! Bob NP(Now Playing): Bruce Springsteen, "Living Proof" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:33:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's voice <> Hi Tom, and welcome to the Jonilist...I think it's pretty safe to say that smoking has altered Joni's voice, along with age. She can still crank out a high note (like on Stormy Weather), but she adjusts her instrument and arrangements so she can be in a better key for her voice. She has commented that she likes her voice now better than her "helium" voice of the 60's. Looking forward to hearing more from you! Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "Book of Dreams" ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 00 12:25:13 EDT From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Kenny Grant I am very shocked and saddened to hear of the passing of Kenny Grant. Just Tuesday night a group of us met here in NYC to hear David Lahm perform and I was hoping that Kenny would be there. Someone wondered if Kenny was going to be there, and I said that I knew he was doing a ridiculous commute for work lately, from Queens to New Jersey, and that it might be a bit much to join a get-together like this on a week night. I certainly could not have imagined what had happened. Kenny was one of my favorite people on JMDL and one of the first I got to know. When I discovered a few people from NYC that were on JMDL I knew I wanted to have a get together at my home. Kenny helped me with arranging the logistics. Myself being fairly disorganized and undependable with email, when I contacted him at work one Friday about the party he answered the phone with "Jeff, you're driving me fucking nuts!" I was taken aback at first as I barely knew him, but had to laugh later. His frankness and honesty made me feel much closer to him and I felt a definite bond. When I met him I did not have any Joni music that was not officially released and he introduced me to the tape-trading idea and emailed me a list of what was available and told me to let him know of whatever I wanted. So he made me my first tapes of all the early tape tress and I cherished them like gold. Later I ran into him at the Camden, NJ Joni show (I didn't even know he was going to that one) and we hung out during intermission and after the show. Of course shortly after he sent me a tape of the show as well as one of the MSG show that I originally had a ticket for and had to miss. In other words he was very thoughtful and enjoyed taking the time to do things that he knew others would enjoy so much. I was hoping to get to know him better and am very sad that this will not be possible. Jeff ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:00:52 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Birthday card? http://www.JoniMitchell.com/BDCard/BDcardArt.htm This link didn't work for me. Any suggestions? - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:28:34 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: kenny "part of this is permanent, part of this is passing." Kenny weathered occupational hardship during a time of unprecedented economic prosperity with steadfast dignity and strength, all the while finding the time and energy to remain one of Joni's, and music's, most quietly proud evangelists. A lovely, lovely man. How lucky we all are to know him. Kenny, stay in touch. - --Michael - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sometimes I contemplate moving to a warmer place But then the lake and skyline give me a warm embrace." - --Common, "Reminding Me (Of Sef)" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:33:01 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Kenny Grant, in memory of..... Thanks Patrick for sharing the sad news that Kenny has passed. You wrote a beautiful eulogy for a kind, generous man. His passing brings sadness and loss upon our little world. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu np for Kenny: Tiger Bones (the track that Jim Johanson selected for Wally B.'s rememberance at PazFest 2000.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:04:29 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni's Soprano? Hi Tom, Well, basically, she doesn't do old songs anymore. She hasn't sung "California" for example, for a very long time. As you noted, her soprano is gone but along with it is her interest in 'curlicues'. When she stopped drawing those intricate felt-tip pen line drawings, she approached her music with more directness and simplicity. In my mind, this simplicity reached a peak with "Hejira", arguably the most-often named favorite on the JMDL. Lyrically too, she replaced her "peridots and periwinkle" type of decoration with spare, meaty lyrics. They reflected a sensibility that had grown much richer artistically than her sincere but superficial 'decoration' days. Her conscious effort to 'please' with lots of detail was replaced with a deeper, more masterful approach that involved communicating with metaphor but with a superficial simplicity. In effect, her decoration was replaced with metaphor. She worked very hard with lyrics (and it certainly shows) but the appearance, at first glance, is of simplicity. It's one of Joni's great paradoxes- you have to look past the simplicity to see the complexity and richness. Sorry for getting away from your question, but her lovely soprano was only one of her talents. The fact that it was a fleeting one does not diminish her amazing, far-reaching, and astonishingly broad range of other talents. I guess you have to go to Joan Baez and Judy Collins (and Eric Clapton's guitar) now to hear bell-like clarity, but no one, not even Bob (the name that may not be uttered) D*lan can match her unspeakably profound lyrics. To me, the lyrics are the sacrament. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati Tom asked: > I watched > Tribute To Joni in April and I was surprised by how low her voice was. I > haven't heard her in a long time. Has smoking changed her voice? How does she > do her old songs- an octave lower? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:04:22 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Kenny Grant This is sad news about Kenny. Back in 1997 when I first joined the List I put out a request about the availability of the "Shadows and Light" video in the UK. As always, I was impressed by the many helpful responses I received, but one of the first was from Kenny who had spotted a copy being advertised somewhere and thought of me. Then he wrote again to warn me that it might not be PAL compatible. I eventually obtained a copy and 3 years later I met Kenny when we both attended a BSN concert in Oakland, meeting first at Heather's house and then going for a restaurant meal with other JMDLers. Do you know, he remembered my search for the video and brought up the subject, even though we had hardly corresponded in between. What a kind and caring man. I will always remember his beaming smile and the pride with which he wore his BSN t-shirt. This community will be the poorer for his loss. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:11:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Soprano? <> Funny, I thought her latest record and tour was a celebration of old songs, a couple of hers included. ;~) What I've gathered from her interviews is that she doesn't want to perform her "ingenue roles" any more. True, we may not hear "California" again, but she's doing "A Case of You" from the same album, and surely if she does her Christmas record she'll reinterpret "River", also from Blue... Like you said...as she is a one-of-a-kind artist, trying to second guess her is all but impossible! Bob NP: Bruce, "Streets of Fire" Live '78 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:23:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni's Soprano? joni's voice is still that of a soprano, she hasn't become a mezzo or a contralto. moreover, she used most of her range well into ''wild things run fast'', which we all know was recorded way past the felt-tip pen period. the fact that her voice sounds so different now doesn't mean that she's not a soprano anymore. i agree that her lyrics became less ornate and more to the point as she grew older. but she's still a soprano. wallyk - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Jim L'Hommedieu Enviado el: Jueves, 19 de Octubre de 2000 03:04 p.m. Para: _JMDL - June 98; TBAEHNER@aol.com Asunto: Joni's Soprano? Hi Tom, Well, basically, she doesn't do old songs anymore. She hasn't sung "California" for example, for a very long time. As you noted, her soprano is gone but along with it is her interest in 'curlicues'. When she stopped drawing those intricate felt-tip pen line drawings, she approached her music with more directness and simplicity. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:41:01 GMT From: "frank eyre" Subject: pins on map NJC please place a pin on Belfast, N.Ireland on the JMDL map Thanks, frank _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:27:43 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Memorial to Kenny Late last night I noticed that Les has set up a memorial to Kenny on the JMDL web page. Thank you, Les. Reading everyone's thoughts just testifies to my belief that Kenny was truly one of our angels here. He was a solid gold guy. God bless and keep you, dear Kenny Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:02:17 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Bowie on Joni and Vincent From an article entitled "Straight talk with Boy George" (No, I didn't make this up) http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/rolls/20001018/en/straight_talk_with_boy_george_1 .html Q: You cover David Bowie on the latest Culture Club album. Was he a big influence on you? BG: Bowie, when I was a kid, had a huge effect on me because he was so different. It was a complete package -- the way he looked, the songs. They were very different from a lot of the music that I was hearing around that time. But as a lyricist, I guess the person who inspires me the most is Joni Mitchell. Sometimes I listen to her lyrics and I just want to retire [laughs ]. "Oh, I can't think of anything like that!" Somebody told me that at one of her gigs, someone was shouting out for her to do "Big Yellow Taxi," and she was like, "My God! I bet Van Gogh never got people shouting out, 'Paint another "Starry Night"!' Music is one of the few art forms where people are constantly demanding that you repeat yourself. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:08:01 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: BOY GEORGE on Bowie, Joni, Vincent Oops! The last email from me was mistitled. It should have been as above. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/rolls/20001018/en/straight_talk_with_boy_george_1 .html Sorry, but I'll blame it on the Theraflu. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:14:22 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Dear Kenny So sorry to hear such shocking news. Kenny came into Manhattan to join Patrick and I the last time I was in NY. And he came bearing lovely gifts. He always made a point of meeting up with me and I so appreciated that. He will be missed. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:53:08 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Birthday card? Steve wrote: > http://www.JoniMitchell.com/BDCard/BDcardArt.htm > > This link didn't work for me. Any suggestions? The "l" was missing off the file extension. Try: http://www.jonimitchell.com/BDCard/BDcardArt.html Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:58:23 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: kenny grant I never knew or met Kenny - I don't even recall corresponding with him. But in this global community I feel like I've lost a friend. Rest in peace, Kenny. Helen ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:26:55 GMT From: steve@torchsongs.com Subject: WBC (Wally Breese Content) - Kate Bush When in S.F. recently with Leslie, visiting Jim Johanson, we all went to Amoeba Records in the Haight, where we'd been a few times with Wally. I got two used Kate Bush CD's there - The Sensual World and The Red Shoes. When Leslie saw that I'd bought The Red Shoes, she said "That's the CD that Wally was listening to every time I came up for a visit". As always, I admire Wally's taste for music like this. It's a wonderful disc, with Kate's characteristic generously layered sound, emotional range, sense of humor, melding of folk music Irish and Bulgarian...and so on; Kate fans would understand. Sooo, I've been listening to it with an ear for whatever might have such a strong draw for Wally. I can see him reclining in his bathrobe, perhaps with a little medicinal herb, and bathing in the richness of the sound, just for what it is. Perhaps lyrics like this (from the song Moments of Pleasure) say it - Just being alive It can really hurt And these moments given Are a gift from time Just let us try To give these moments back To those we love To those who will survive The CD is dedicated to Kate's mother, who had passed. But who knows? Maybe he liked the song "Rubberband Girl" better :=) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:17:16 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: kenny grant I certainly didn't know Kenny well. My brief impression was of a sincere, amiable person. May that be said of us all! Rest in peace, Kenny. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:34:10 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Memorial to Kenny les, how wonderfully thoughtful of you! thank you for giving us this opportunity to share all our fond memories of kenny. kenny's page can found at http://www.jmdl.com/kennygrant.cfm thank you, dear les! wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:11:18 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Kenny I have been so sad, and in such shock all night and all day today. I am finally able to sit down and try to put into words what Kenny meant to me. Kenny Grant was the very first friend I had on the JMDL. He offered to dub the tape trees for me, as he did for many, many others. We hit it off, and stayed in touch quite regularly. When I went to New York in 1998, for the Joni/Dylan concert, I arrived early to spend time with my friend. Knowing the country bumpkin I am, and that I am a bit fearful of the big city, Kenny came out to the airport to get me, settled me in my hotel room, and took me around the city. We toured the city arm in arm, two friends finally meeting face to face for the first time, and looking to unknowing eyes as if we had known each other all our lives. Over the years, we met again several times, and keep in touch. Kenny was a warm, generous man with a beautiful soul. How I will miss you. my friend. How I will miss those unexpected phone calls, warm e-mails, and visits together. RETURN AGAIN Return again, return again Return to the land of your soul. Return to who you are, Return to what you are, Return to where you are, Born and reborn again. With hugs, and many tears, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:29:15 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Kenny, Part 2 I have been so dishelveled all day, I am just not thinking straight, and wanted to say a few things more: Thank you, Debra for the beautiful explanation of the lines that Steve was asking about. I was in such shock at the time he asked, I don't even think I knew the name Joni Mitchell, let alone the words to her songs. Kenny was one of the very few people I have ever come across that knew every single word to every one of Joni's songs. There are so many lyrics, I don't know how he did it, but he amazed me with his recall. Oh, there are so many things I want to say, but I just can't. I just need a hug. Lots of them. Goodbye my friend. Rest in peace. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:51:06 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: WBC (Wally Breese Content) - Kate Bush the red shoes is not my favorite kate, but steve focussed in on 'moments of pleasure', one of my sacraments: from 92 - 94 i experienced my most direct losses from AIDS, and the pain of mourning became like a raw wound that i would worry at like a dog. a scab that i would rub, trying to find relief. 'moments of pleasure' was a lifesaver, directing me to another grieving strategy, one that wouldn't kill me. remember, remember, always remember and cherish. i always thought the second verse was about a friend suffering from aids. 'like douglas fairbanks, waving his walking stick. but he isn't well at all' seems to catch a certain generation of new york gay men, with a retro class and style through it all. a generation that was decimated. and on that evening, after that moment of concern, she went out on the balcony and saw 'the buildings of new york... like mountains through the snow' a moment of pleasure, tinged by the moment of pain. there certainly is comfort in melancholy. and as one who lost his mother way too young, i'm always devastated and comforted by this: 'and i can hear my mother saying every old sock meets an old shoe ain't that a great saying every old sock meets an old shoe' i bless kate for this song. it saved me. patrick np - moments of pleasure, 3rd time through >Perhaps lyrics like this (from the song Moments of >Pleasure) say it - > >Just being alive >It can really hurt >And these moments given >Are a gift from time >Just let us try >To give these moments back >To those we love >To those who will survive > >The CD is dedicated to Kate's mother, who had passed. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:07:43 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: Kenny Grant All I can say is: I'm stunned. And so very saddened. Yes, this is the third loss we've experienced on the JMDL that we know about since it's been in existence, but for me, this one is different. I *knew* Kenny, although not nearly as well as I would have liked to, and wanted to, had there just been more time. Kenny was my "branch" on Tape Tree #6, and took the time to notice that some of us "stragglers" who hadn't yet mailed him their blanks we were missing some great Joni! Sure enough, we were, as I found out when Kenny sent the dubbed tapes right back to me, when I finally did get those blanks off. And before the first Jonifest at Julie Webb's in Pittsburgh in April of 1998, I hurriedly wrote to Kenny shortly before my departure, asking if he indeed had a copy of a Joni interview that he'd mentioned on-list, and if so, if he might be so kind to bring it to the celebration. A little over 3 hours later, he responded, saying sure, no problem! And my own copy of the March, 1998 KCRW interview and TTT preview was waiting for me when I met Kenny in person for the first, and last, time in Pittsburgh. Periodically, Kenny would send me a positive comment on a post I'd written, or something funny that he thought I'd enjoy, or holiday greetings in December. And when I mentioned some time back that my partner and I planned to break up, Kenny sent me a sweet, thoughtful e-mail letter that I went back and read several times during some of the rougher patches. My personal regret, beyond the obvious one that I wish he was still with us? That, in all the bustle and confusion of the last month or two, I never responded to that last letter of Kenny's, although I planned to do so, and even thought of it several times very, very recently. That he never knew in life how much his words and thoughts meant to me during an especially trying time. I just hope Kenny somehow knows now how much I've appreciated all his kind gestures over the years, including that one. And it's a hopeless cliché, but I can't help saying it. That person that you haven't said "I love you" to for a while; that call you've been meaning to make, but haven't quite had time to put through; that friend you've fully intended to get back in touch with, but never got around to it: go home tonight and **do it.** We never know the day or the hour when the best of our intentions won't be enough. Rest in peace, my sweet friend, Mary Pitassi. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:14:54 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re:" Paint another starry night again man" remark It's interesting.I think people may have different interpretations of this famous spontaneous comment.my mom for example,misinterpreted Joni's remarks as being arrogant.she thought Joni was putting down Van Gogh. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:15:25 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: kenny >I never knew or met Kenny - I don't even recall corresponding with him. > >But in this global community I feel like I've lost a friend. > >Rest in peace, Kenny. > >Helen Ditto. And peace to his loved ones. Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:40:35 +0100 From: catman Subject: Kenny Kenny was one of the first people to send me a really nice eamil 3 years ago when I first joined. We emailed every now and then since. We shared quite deeply. We had a lot of things, perosnal things, in common. What is not important. When I read about his passing over I just wrote a short bit as I was stunned. It also frightened me. Like I said, we had a lot in common. He was 6 mths younger than I. I will always remember him for his gentleness and warmth and honesty and ability to share and his tag-HUGGS. Huggs Kenny. Will be seeing you again. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:56:36 EDT From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: kenny i am so shocked. too shocked to even find the words to express it, but i feel i need to say something. kenny was indeed a kind, sweet man, with a good soul. he proved this to me many times, when he would go out of his way for me. i will always remember at ashara's jonifest 99, which was a particularly difficult day for me, as many of you probably remember. i knew i could not manage to say goodbye to everyone without falling apart again, so i left quietly, out the side yard and down ashara's driveway, to avoid going through the house where most everyone was. kenny saw me leaving and ran after me and gave me a hug. it meant so much to me that day, and still does. this was an extraordinary human being, and i will miss him. i have his email address in my address book here, and i think i will keep it there always. we need to cherish each other! love and peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:06:51 -0700 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Songs I Wish Joni Would Cove Maybe it I just missed it somewhere but I heard Ella's version of "Someone To Watch Over Me". I would love to see her do it. Peace, Craig - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away. "He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true." He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. (Rev. 21:1-7) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:09:03 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: mp3 player for PC recommendation? Sorry to use bandwidth for this but....... I have found that if I'm playing an mp3 file from the cd player with Winamp (an otherwise fine mp3 player) it locks up the machine if I change web pages using the standard Internet Explorer. Has any PC user had a good experience with an mp3 player that works WHILE surfing. (It doesn't seem like too much to ask now, does it?) All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:09:12 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: Songs I Wish Joni Would Cove If we're talking about her new jazz standard phase--- I'd love to hear Joni sing "The Man that Got Away"-- made famous by Judy Garland. :) eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Happy The Man Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:07 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Songs I Wish Joni Would Cove Maybe it I just missed it somewhere but I heard Ella's version of "Someone To Watch Over Me". I would love to see her do it. Peace, Craig - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away. "He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true." He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. (Rev. 21:1-7) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:00:46 -0700 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Beth Nielsen Chapman & ER (VLJC) They played Sand and Water on ER tonight. One of those passionate songs that Beth wrote after her husband passed away. She always said she learned music from listening and singing Joni. Good song really helped the moment of the show. Peace, Craig. NP: Beth Chapman "Sand and Water" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #555 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?