From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #551 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 17 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 551 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni on DVD Audio [catman ] Re: Joni on DVD Audio [catman ] Re: Apples, Cheeses and LiebfraumilchNJC [catman ] breast cancer and other cancers (NJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] re: Chaka as Genghis ["c Karma" ] Chelsea Morning [Deb Haas ] Music sceen in SF-great article (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC [catman ] Re: "The Politics of Cancer"NJC [catman ] Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC [Deb Messling ] re: What about The Hail Mary (NJC) ["c Karma" ] Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Today in Joni History - October 17 [Today in Joni History ] Re: What about The Hail Mary (NJC) [catman ] RE: Joni on DVD Audio ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Attn: Librarians; NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC [catman ] Re: DVD njc [catman ] Re: What about The Hail Mary (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Attn: Librarians; NJC [Jason Maloney ] Re: medical stuff NJC ["Diane Evans" ] Re: Apples, Cheeses and LiebfraumilchNJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Apples, Cheeses and LiebfraumilchNJC [catman ] RE: Attn: Librarians; NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: DVD njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: medical stuff NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:24:19 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni on DVD Audio Many makes of DVD player can be made multiregional by just tapping in a code on your remote. In did this with mine and it now plays any region. Go to this link: http://www.dvddebate.com/index.php You might find code for your machine Brian Gross wrote: > --- "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > > I wish they would release Shadows & Light on DVD.... > > They did! > Problem is, it's a Region 2 DVD (Japanese import) > Unless you have a multi-region DVD player, it's just an expemsive Joni-coaster > > take care, > Brian > > nw: the mets winning 7-0, bottom of the 8th > > ===== > "No paper thin walls, no folks above > No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" > > yeah, right > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:28:44 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni on DVD Audio http://www.dvddebate.com/sections.php?op=listarticles&secid=2 I think this link is better. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:36:53 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and LiebfraumilchNJC Most Brits I've heard say it pronounce > it "GARage" to rhyme with "carriage". Only the common ones! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:39:33 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Tomorrow night Lahm show (from Patrick) njc No problem, Nikki. But anyone going there or calling (929-5410) should ask about the MITCH ELLIS show, then they'll know what you're talking about. DL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:43:32 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Cheryl Wheeler (njc) Cheryl Wheeler is appearing on Wednesday Nov. 1st at the Makor Center, 35 W 67th Street in Manhattan. Phone 601-1000 Fax 601-1060 e-mail www.makor.org Carrie Newcomer is opening for CW. The music is at 8 pm, tickets are $14. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:46:49 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: HOW ABOUT THE HAIL MARY -- NJC In a message dated 10/16/2000 5:50:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << Today, my faveourite prayer is the Serenity Prayer. God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change The courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference. what could be more to the point? >> "Forgive us our tresspasses as we would forgive those who tresspass against us..." for one....marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:01:45 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Cheryl Wheeler (njc) David wrote: << Cheryl Wheeler is appearing on Wednesday Nov. 1st at the Makor Center, 35 W 67th Street in Manhattan. Phone 601-1000 Fax 601-1060 e-mail www.makor.org Carrie Newcomer is opening for CW. The music is at 8 pm, tickets are $14. >> NEW YORKERS!!!!!!!! DO NOT, under any circumstances miss this show!! You will not be sorry!!! Hugs, Ashara {who might make yet another trip to NY!!} www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:46:44 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Joni on DVD Audio Yes, I know! But don't the fans in other regions deserve to have the opportunity to buy it? It's really odd to me becaause in terms of career sales, North America is Joni's biggest market followed by Europe. Just seems like the company is missing an opportunity to make money... Brian Gross wrote: > --- "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > > I wish they would release Shadows & Light on DVD.... > > They did! > Problem is, it's a Region 2 DVD (Japanese import) > Unless you have a multi-region DVD player, it's just an expemsive Joni-coaster > > take care, > Brian > > nw: the mets winning 7-0, bottom of the 8th > > ===== > "No paper thin walls, no folks above > No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" > > yeah, right > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:47:14 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: breast cancer and other cancers (NJC) Hi everyone. I just had to add some info to the discussion on breast/prostate cancer. First, in response to Heather's post >>"Many women who have had mastectomies or hysterectomies due to cancer often have had to live with low self esteem and suffer in silence. A women's ovaries or uterus are not "on show" . You just don't feel like a whole person anymore." Oh, Heather! This couldn't be further from the truth!!! At least not for me. For the first time in many years, I feel beautiful! The disease is gone. My skin is radiant. I wear a smaller size in pants because I don't have to accomodate all that tumor mass (sorry to get so personal...). I feel lighter, not just in weight, but because I'm not constantly weighed down by pain. For the first time in memory, I do feel like a whole person! A word about risk: If a close family member (mother, sister) had breast/ovarian cancer that MAY increase your risk, but not necessarily. I've been meeting with the genetic counselor at Dana-Farber regularly. I've talked with her extensively about risk. There are lots of factors that determine one's risk. The only way currently to determine if you are at increased risk because of heredity is to test the two tumor markers BRCA1 and BRCA2. If the test is negative (as it was in my case) then the cancer was not due to hereditary factors. Before you run out and get tested, there are two reasons not to: (1) it could mess up your ability to get health insurance in the future and (2) it costs $2600. On mammograms - according to everyone I've talked with at Dana-Farber and the Sagoff Center, there's no reason for the mammogram to hurt. It's basically just the technician's technique. (Kind of like when some techs draw blood it hurts, while with others you don't feel it at all.) One very exciting new development (although it's been in the works for 15 years!) is due to some pioneering work by Dr. Susan Love. Eventually it could replace mammograms and lead to MUCH earlier detection. The process involves injecting saline solution into the mammory glands, then extracting it, bringing with it any pre-cancerous or cancerous cells. This could signal the beginning of the end of breast cancer. (Usually, by the time a lump is detected through self-exam of mammogram, the woman has actually had breast cancer for 8 to 10 years!) Hope this helps. Lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:27:10 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Bob and Rambling Jack and Woody I gather that this documentary makes Dylan's derivation clear. Bobby Z. refused to be interviewed for the documentary-- which can be interpreted in a number of ways. But there was a tongue in cheek element to Dylan's initial populist-Rambling persona, I believe, which might make it seem to be less of a rip off....? Bruce >Seriously though, that's a fascinating image- Dylan copping Ramblin' Jack's >mojo...... Maybe Ramblin' Jack is the only one who saw it that way...... >Hmmm. I wonder how the Dylan List views it. :) >All the best, >Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:16:45 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Chaka as Genghis I was seated four rows from the rear of the "house" for Joni's Jazz next to the soundboard. Chaka was in Central Park but she was playing to Battery Park. She was a virtual hurricane, but boy did she make her songs IMPORTANT! Whether or not you agree with or appreciate her interpretation, you can't doubt that she holds nothing back when she performs (like Little Richard, she gives it ALL to you!) and artists who can do that consistently are tops in my book. I really liked the propulsion she gave to "Hejira." It was the first live performance of the song I'd heard ("Shadows and Light" tour INCLUDED! -- HERESY!) to do the song's fast tempo justice. Joni's orchestral version on the BSN tour, in my mind was even more successful in this regard while staying safely accessible. I don't fault Chaka for applying her idiom, in fact I congratulate her for it. You go girl. CC "I am not some stone commission like a statue in a park." -- JM PS. Toshi Reagon and Erin Hamilton did fine work at Joni's Jazz, too. I wish Eric Anderson would work with T-Bone Burnett and come back with a vengance! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:22:36 -0500 From: Deb Haas Subject: Chelsea Morning Please help. My daughter is singing Chelsea Morning at high school POPS three nights early November but we are unable to get the sheet music. I ordered the complete Joni Mitchell songbook and the sheet music for Chelsea Morning in mid July but it is on back order. Can anyone assist? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:30:59 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Music sceen in SF-great article (NJC) NO PLACE TO PLAY ANYMORE Not so long ago, San Francisco gave birth to great rock bands -- that doesn't happen today Joel Selvin, Chronicle Pop Music Editor Tuesday, October 17, 2000 It used to be possible to make a living as a rock band around this town. A circuit of nightclubs extending across the Bay Area to outlying areas allowed a popular band to make a few hundred dollars a night -- sometimes even breaking into four figures -- and work as often as five times a week. Today, a similar rock band would have problems finding that many jobs in a month, and the money wouldn't be as good. For years San Francisco was the future of rock, the birthplace of bands from the Grateful Dead to Metallica. Today there would be no places for a young Janis Joplin or Chris Isaak to work. But before the scene dried up in the '80s, not only were there plenty of clubs but people packed the joints. ``You got paid,'' said Paul Jackson, who has worked these clubs since he was a teenage keyboardist with the Uptones, an '80s Berkeley ska-rock band. ``The circumstances that preceded our success will never be duplicated,'' said Greg Kihn, whose band burst out of the Bay Area club scene with the 1981 hit ``The Breakup Song.'' ``There were half a dozen major clubs and many more smaller ones. There was a local radio scene that played album cuts, not just hits, and people were curious.'' In the wake of his band's first modest hit, Kihn and company made more than $250,000 that year playing dates around Northern California -- not much money, perhaps, by today's standards, but Kihn was paying just $350 a month to rent a three-bedroom home in the Oakland hills. ``It was magic,'' said Kihn, who had moved to the Bay Area from Baltimore to pursue his music career. ``I haven't seen it happen since.'' Uptones keyboardist Jackson has continued to play the same clubs but with diminishing returns, first as a member of Hobo and currently with Stiff Richards. He said the Berkeley band is lucky to work more than once a month despite releasing several records and maintaining a Web site. ``San Francisco has no space for punks like us anymore,'' he said. ``I don't know how it works now.'' Songwriter Nick Gravenites, who first came to San Francisco in 1959, remembers the warehouses at the foot of Telegraph Hill crowded with musicians, painters and poets. He played blues in nightclubs in the neighborhood almost ever since, although he no longer does. ``It's too weird,'' said Gravenites. ``I can't go to North Beach anymore. It became too impossible.'' But in the beginning, Gravenites found North Beach teeming with arts and music and quickly began playing coffeehouses up and down Grant Avenue. ``I guess you could call it work,'' he said, ``$3 and a hamburger. There were places to play. It wasn't for the money, it was what we did. The whole area was loaded with people like us -- Joplin, James Gurley, Dino Valente.'' Inexpensive rents and abundant places to play were at the heart of the '60s San Francisco rock explosion. Hippies originally landed in the Haight-Ashbury because the enormous old houses in the neighborhood rented rooms for as little as $25 a month. The members of Quicksilver Messenger Service rented an old dairy farm in western Marin County for $65. The band would play the Fillmore one weekend or so a month, earn $1,000 and live like a king, as far as its members were concerned. As the ballroom era of San Francisco rock drew to an end with the closing of Fillmore West in 1971, a circuit of clubs blossomed around the Bay Area -- from the Inn of the Beginning in Cotati to the Odyssey Room in Sunnyvale (``They had a haunted pinball machine at the `Odd Room' that played itself occasionally,'' said Kihn). Freddy Herrera and Bobby Corona ran a three-club operation -- Keystone Berkeley, Keystone Palo Alto and the Stone in San Francisco - --with a total capacity of over 2,000. Audiences went to hear original music by fledgling bands. It has been a long time since Santana and It's A Beautiful Day headlined Fillmore West concerts before they released debut albums, but as late as the early '80s rocking startups such as Primus could still attract capacity crowds to smaller rooms like Berkeley Square and the I-Beam on Haight Street with nothing more than an independent album and a little college radio airplay. Those clubs, along with others that died in the '90s -- Nightbreak, Killowatt, the Full Moon Saloon and Club Cocodrie -- no longer exist. These days an original band that can draw more than 100 fans is a headline act at Bottom of the Hill. Bands that actually make a living on the boards tend to be cover bands, human jukeboxes cranking out other people's hits for dancers and private parties. Gravenites works every Friday night at Negri's, a restaurant in Occidental, where he lives. ``Music is going back to what it used to be,'' he said, ``an appendage to fine dining.'' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:18:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > My mother was a survivor of breast cancer, so that > makes me at a higher risk. > I just got my reminder in the mail the other day to > go for my annual > mammography. Talk about excruciating pain. really > guys, imagine having your > scrotum squeezed in a vice. My mother unfortunately didn't survive breast cancer, although she lived with it for a long time before she died. And I just had my annual physical and guess what? it's mammogram time again - oh joy, oh bliss! To add to that, for the first time in my life, my blood pressure is up - not dreadfully high, but at the low-end of high, which is high for me, so I get to go for an echocardiogram too. Anyone ever had one of those? It's not for another 5 weeks or so and I'm wondering if the fact my pressure was high relates to the fact that my arm was kind of hanging over the side of the examining table when the doc was taking it. Or maybe it's the fact that I sit in my office reading joni-list e-mails instead of going to the gym like I used to... I did a run for breast cancer a few weeks ago along with what seemed like half the population of Toronto but, like a few others who've mentioned this, I wonder what the point is of pitting one charity against another. There's already a cancer society, so why should there be one specifically devoted to one type of cancer? Why doesn't it go into one great big pot? Probably because the one big pot thing doesn't work - within the group, there are always certain elements who push to get more $ for their, dare I say it, "inner circle". I guess if you just find a charity you admire, you give to them, and don't worry about it. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:23:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: medical stuff NJC - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > isn't that true, though? how come everything medical > is STILL so painful? > even anesthesia hurts. You are SO right about that! My kid fell and cut a big gash in his chin last fall, so I had to rush him to emerg. He needed stitches. in order to give him stitches, they needed to shoot his chin full of novocaine. Now, before they shoot you full of novocaine, they have some other thing they spray so the novocaine needle won't hurt! Unfortunately, they were out of that stuff that night, so I had to hold Matthew down and try to talk him through first the needle -and of course, they have to move that sucker around a few times, because just one shot won't do; then he can still FEEL the stitches going in. He was only 9 at the time, and when he's really nervous, he keeps talking, talking, talking, non-stop. The doctor had to tell him to be quiet because his talking was making his jaw move and the doc was having a hard time getting the stitches in straight. It would have been funny if it wasn't painful. The other thing I always wonder about is, how come they haven't come up with a way to make motors quiet? Is it a virility thing, or what? It seems that guys - after all, they invented this stuff! - figure whoever makes the most noise wins or something. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:30:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC - --- Deb Messling wrote: > I do not doubt that they are painful > for some women, but I'd > hate to think that any woman would hesitate to get > one for fear of > pain. I'm sure there's a sizeable minority of women > like me who experience > no pain at all. I've experienced other tests that, IMO, are worse than mammograms, which I find slightly uncomfortable, but not painful. I don't like any test that involves sticking things down your nose (or is that up your nose?) Maybe we all have our sore spots (so to speak!) _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:41:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > I didn't want to discourage anyone > from getting one, but it's > just been my experience, that's all. Maybe it was > the technician. She was > brutal. I expressed my discomfort, but she just went > on to say they had to > get a good picture. It probably was the technician. Some people can draw blood from you and there's no pain whatsoever - with others, it feels like you've still got a needle in your vein even after it comes out AND you get a great big bruise to go along with it - some people just have no bedside manner whatsoever! _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:47:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: "The Politics of Cancer" Mags said, "Medicine is very political." Then I got this message on another list I am on. I haven't read the book, just passing on the information : "If you want an alternative view point on our epidemic of cancer, get the book "The Politics of Cancer" written by Samuel S. Epstein M.D., a world-cancer-expert. It's a real eye opener. Over 800 pages explaining known cancer causing agents that are put into cosmetics , he lists all the harmful ingredients and I dutifully threw out most of the cosmetics and lotions I was using, X-Rays and why you have to be careful and make sure the machines have been calibrated because alot of times we are getting 3x the dose needed, to Mammography and the drug industry forcing tomoxifen down women's throats to name a only a few. He also reprimands the National Cancer Institute and the American Cancer Society. Stating that they have been misled and the ACS is the worst out of all the charities for paying the administrators high saleries and hiring many more volunteers. You can't believe everything you read however it's hard to find any liturature out there on cancer that is of the investigative nature. A lot of what he says makes sense. I highly recommend it." ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:44:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC - --- mags wrote: > as a Canadian women we dont "have" to get a > mammogram until we are 50. I am NOT > looking forward to this at all..even though I have a > few years to go But if you want one, or you come from an at-risk family, you can get one. I've been getting them since I was 38 or thereabouts - I just told my doc that my Mum had breast cancer, as did my Dad's sister, and he sent me off for a mammogram, no questions asked. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:45:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch - --- Michael Paz wrote: > > (Psst, I like the big boo-hoo, so what do I know?) > > > I always loved that line too. But man those Brits > sho deaux tawlk funy! Tee > hee! > Everyone talks funny. Except me. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:54:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: HOW ABOUT THE HAIL MARY -- NJC BMGKotler@aol.com wrote: > Another lapsed Catholic weighs in with this: I > never had as much trouble > > figuring out the Lord's Prayer as I did with the > Hail Mary. Hail Mary full > > of grapes. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art > thou, a monkey swimming. - --- catman wrote: > I never understood 'fruit of thy womb Jesus' till > well into adulthood. > That and the Lord's Prayer are the only Catholic > ones I recall. These are priceless. I never got the "fruit of thy womb Jesus" thing either! As a kid, they'd have you memorize these things - to me, it always sounded like "THYwomb" was all one word, and for the life of me, I couldn't figure out what a "THYwomb" was! Now, if it was "Fruit of the Loom Jesus" that would fit in very well with BMG's grapes! Suddenly it all makes sense. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:57:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Attn: Librarians; NJC - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I finally re-organized my CD collection. Is Paquito > D'Rivera correctly > alphabetized under "D", as L'Hommedieu is > alphabetized under "L"? > No librarian moi, but I'd put it under "D". Of more concern to me - and believe me, I worry about this stuff! - is how to separate them into different categories. Say you decide to separate rock from jazz from classical. So, is Gershwin jazz or classical? Is Joni jazz? rock? folk? what... do you put the classical stuff under the name of the performer, or the composer? What do you do if there's more than one? If there was a person named Alice Cooper, you'd probably file it under C; but if it's a group named Alice Cooper, do you file it under A or C? And so on... cripes, I just can't take it! Someone help me please or I'm going to have to go back to just dropping them on the floor and filing them in order of what gets picked up first! _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:07:56 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC > I'm > wondering if the fact my pressure was high relates to > the fact that my arm was kind of hanging over the side > of the examining table when the doc was taking it. My blood pressure rises just from being with the dr. Last time we chatted a while before she took and continued whilst she took it. It was much lower than usual, normal not low high or high normal. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:12:46 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: "The Politics of Cancer"NJC Kate-this does not surprise me at all. Reading the available literature about 'psychiatric' drugs and the damage, long term and short term, they do is horryfying. Yet poepl are fed anti depressants with no proven record that they work for an illness that has not been proved to be biologoical in origin. Mnay people die or long term disabl;ed due to pysch drugs. bw colin Kate Bennett wrote: > Mags said, "Medicine is very political." > > Then I got this message on another list I am on. I haven't read the book, > just passing on the information : > > "If you want an alternative view point on our epidemic of cancer, get the > book "The Politics of Cancer" written by Samuel S. Epstein M.D., a > world-cancer-expert. It's a real eye opener. Over 800 pages explaining > known cancer causing agents that are put into cosmetics , > he lists all the harmful ingredients and I dutifully threw out most of the > cosmetics and lotions I was using, X-Rays and why you have to be careful > and make sure the machines have been calibrated because alot of times we > are getting 3x the dose needed, to Mammography and the drug industry > forcing tomoxifen down women's throats to name a only a few. He also > reprimands the National Cancer Institute and the American Cancer Society. > Stating that they have been misled and the ACS is the worst out of all the > charities for paying the administrators high saleries and hiring many more > volunteers. You can't believe everything you read however it's hard to find > any liturature out there on cancer that is of the investigative nature. A > lot of what he says makes sense. I highly recommend it." > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > > featured this month at Taylor Guitars > www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ > > www.katebennett.com > www.cdbaby.com/katebennett > www.amazon.com > > ******************************************** - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:12:54 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC I prefer mammograms to blood tests and blood pressure tests, which make me feel oogly. The very worst part of any doctor visit, however, is getting weighed. At 01:30 PM 10/17/00 -0400, you wrote: >I've experienced other tests that, IMO, are worse than >mammograms, which I find slightly uncomfortable, but >not painful. I don't like any test that involves >sticking things down your nose (or is that up your >nose?) Maybe we all have our sore spots (so to speak!) Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:11:01 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: re: What about The Hail Mary (NJC) I also had a misunderstanding (mondegreen?, what an interesting word!) with "fruit of thy womb, Jesus." I thought that the prayer read, "Fruit Of The Loom, Jesus" which of course is the famed underwear brand. It seemed consistent to me for two reasons: 1. Jesus was depicted on every crucifix with a demure drape of cloth across his waist (Divine Briefs, of course) and 2. I'd coincidentally received my first Fruit Of The Loom brand underwear with my Catholic school uniform (along with white shirt, green tie, black oxfords, and grey trousers), so I thought (weirdly, ritually) that I was suitably attired to become a soldier of Christ in accordance with the prayer. I know I was not the only kid in 1st grade who heard this reading, although perhaps unlike me they were hip to the joke. No, in keeping with my lapsed status I no longer wear Fruit Of The Loom although perhaps that's information best left for a different kind of website... CC "But when the Church got through, they traded their beads for bottles..." -- JM _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:22:51 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC Catherine wrote: << There's already a cancer society, so why should there be one specifically devoted to one type of cancer? Why doesn't it go into one great big pot? >> I'm definitely not an authority on the subject, but I would assume that there are focuses on certain types of cancers because of early detection and treatments. I'm not sure for the women (breast or cervical cancer), but the pamphlet I read at the doctor's office last month said Prostate cancer is the most common cancer in North American men (other than skin cancer). As I mentioned yesterday, Doc said I was very healthy (he didn't examine my head :~), and we talked about men's concerns with prostate cancer. The PSA (prostate specific antigen) is determined from your blood tests, and of course the dreaded (DRE) digital rectal examination is given by the physician. He said these tests are a must for men over 40, and for men over 50 he recommends his patients see a specialist for colorectal cancer screening. Apparently this type of cancer is also common with men. I DON'T WANT TO TURN 50!!! This specialist will perform a colonoscopy, which my doctor said is painless since you're sedated. The real pain in the ass (pun intended) is the day before. You must endure a liquid bowel stimulant!!!! I guess that's more than enough information for any of you, sorry :~) I did find the last line on the pamphlet amusing. "It is recommended that the patient should rest for the remainder of the day. The patient should not drive within 24 hours. It is also recommended that the patient not make legal decisions until he/she is completely awake and oriented." DUH!!! Sorry to ramble, but guys "GET YOUR PHYSICALS"!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:13:30 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - October 17 1988: Joni performs at the San Remo Songfest in Italy. 1990: (from Wally's bio page): [Today,] the L.A. Theater Center began previews of a revue type show that featured 5 singers (3 women and 2 men) performing the songs of Joni Mitchell with a five piece band. The most well known of the singers was 2 time Tony winner Hinton Battle. Calling itself "The Joni Mitchell Project" the Jacques Brel style show was directed by David Schweizer and played for three months at L.A.T.C. Joni's then manager Barry Krost was a member of the Theater Center board of trustees. A few days after the official opening on November 1, Joni herself showed up for the show and was persuaded to sing a new song. Joni told Musician magazine about her visit to LATC: "I went to hear the Joni Mitchell Project, this revue that did some of my songs. They called me up and I did "Cherokee Louise" acapella, dancing to keep the groove. I'm coming up on the rape scene and I'm, like, highly mirthful. But it came off because people get feelings from it. Every time you sing it you don't relive it." For photos of the event: http://www.jonimitchell.com/JMProject90.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:28:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: What about The Hail Mary (NJC) > > 2. I'd coincidentally received my first Fruit Of The Loom brand underwear > with my Catholic school uniform (along with white shirt, green tie, black > oxfords, and grey trousers), so I thought (weirdly, ritually) that I was > suitably attired to become a soldier of Christ in accordance with the > prayer. we frequently had to show our underwear to the teachers to make sure we boys only wore white y fronts and that girls onl;y wore navy knickers. The girls also had to have their skirts measured. Boys wore shorts regardless of the weather. They were experst and crossing boundaries and humiliation. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:18:32 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: DVD njc thanks, colin! everybody's playing dvd's from any region nowadays, and i was wondering how they did it. wallyk, accepting the fact that hideous spring IS here [temps in the high 60's already!!!!!!] - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de catman Enviado el: Martes, 17 de Octubre de 2000 06:24 a.m. Para: Brian Gross CC: Brenda J. Walker; Joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Joni on DVD Audio Many makes of DVD player can be made multiregional by just tapping in a code on your remote. In did this with mine and it now plays any region. Go to this link: http://www.dvddebate.com/index.php You might find code for your machine Brian Gross wrote: > --- "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > > I wish they would release Shadows & Light on DVD.... > > They did! > Problem is, it's a Region 2 DVD (Japanese import) > Unless you have a multi-region DVD player, it's just an expemsive Joni-coaster > > take care, > Brian > > nw: the mets winning 7-0, bottom of the 8th > > ===== > "No paper thin walls, no folks above > No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" > > yeah, right > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:22:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni on DVD Audio but then EVERYTHING worth having seems to be available only in japan. like, the japanese are the consummate fans of everything and everyone. and they don't accept credit cards, so it's virtually impossible to buy anything from them unless you have lots of cousins in osaka. wallyk, looking at all his japanese imports - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Brenda J. Walker Enviado el: Martes, 17 de Octubre de 2000 11:47 a.m. Para: Joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Joni on DVD Audio Yes, I know! But don't the fans in other regions deserve to have the opportunity to buy it? It's really odd to me becaause in terms of career sales, North America is Joni's biggest market followed by Europe. Just seems like the company is missing an opportunity to make money... Brian Gross wrote: > --- "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > > I wish they would release Shadows & Light on DVD.... > > They did! > Problem is, it's a Region 2 DVD (Japanese import) > Unless you have a multi-region DVD player, it's just an expemsive Joni-coaster > > take care, > Brian > > nw: the mets winning 7-0, bottom of the 8th > > ===== > "No paper thin walls, no folks above > No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" > > yeah, right > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:22:02 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Attn: Librarians; NJC Catherine- Did you see the movie "High Fidelity"? The collector was re-organizing his collection by date of acquisition!! I'm sure no one on JMDL has any wacky arrangement like that! NOT!! Jim - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" > If there was a person named Alice Cooper, you'd > probably file it under C; but if it's a group named > Alice Cooper, do you file it under A or C? And so > on... cripes, I just can't take it! Someone help me > please or I'm going to have to go back to just > dropping them on the floor and filing them in order of > what gets picked up first! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:31:36 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Catherine wrote: > > << There's already a cancer society, so why > should there be one specifically devoted to one type > of cancer? Why doesn't it go into one great big pot? >> > > I'm definitely not an authority on the subject, but I would assume that there > are focuses on certain types of cancers because of early detection and > treatments. I'm not sure for the women (breast or cervical cancer), but the > pamphlet I read at the doctor's office last month said Prostate cancer is the > most common cancer in North American men (other than skin cancer). There is now a test that can be done for lung cancer which can detect the minutest change in lung cells. It costs a lot so of course only the rich will be able to have it. This test will prevent lung cancer growing. At present, onc e lung cancer is diagnosed it is too late. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:41:33 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: DVD njc Wally Kairuz wrote: > thanks, colin! everybody's playing dvd's from any region nowadays, and i was > wondering how they did it. I should add that this is, of course, illegal! > > wallyk, accepting the fact that hideous spring IS here [temps in the high > 60's already!!!!!!] Wally-come stay with me-it is coming into winter here. I like the cold. > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de catman > Enviado el: Martes, 17 de Octubre de 2000 06:24 a.m. > Para: Brian Gross > CC: Brenda J. Walker; Joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Joni on DVD Audio > > Many makes of DVD player can be made multiregional by just tapping in a code > on your > remote. In did this with mine and it now plays any region. > Go to this link: > > http://www.dvddebate.com/index.php > > You might find code for your machine > Brian Gross wrote: > > > --- "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > > > I wish they would release Shadows & Light on DVD.... > > > > They did! > > Problem is, it's a Region 2 DVD (Japanese import) > > Unless you have a multi-region DVD player, it's just an expemsive > Joni-coaster > > > > take care, > > Brian > > > > nw: the mets winning 7-0, bottom of the 8th > > > > ===== > > "No paper thin walls, no folks above > > No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" > > > > yeah, right > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > -- > bw > colin > > colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk > http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:36:53 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: What about The Hail Mary (NJC) "A Monk Swimming" is a memoir by Malachy McCourt, who is the brother of Frank, author of "Angela's Ashes." Apparently a lot of children misheard the Hail Mary. Although the words to Catholic prayers were successfully slapped into me, I had a problem with the Pledge of Allegiance. "And to the Republic, for which it stands" I heard as "And to the Republic, for Richard Stands." Many years later I heard a comedian (maybe George Carlin?) do a routine about the same mishearing. --Bob, missing the NY/Lahm event due to a cold NP: Cough cough hack hack cough, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:31:07 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Attn: Librarians; NJC Jim, That would be an easier system for me than most alternatives! At least that way you are always "adding", and buying that copy of Bridge Over Troubled Water doesn't mean your entire chronological order (by year of the album's release) goes up the spout. The number of times I've had to periodically redo the whole darn thing.... Catherine, Re: the Alice Cooper vs Alice Cooper scenario - there was a band in the late 80s called Danny Wilson. They had a Top 30 US hit with Mary's Prayer, and a handful of other lesser-known singles released in the UK. The band was named after a Frank Sinatra or Spencer Tracy film called Meet Danny Wilson. Some stores filed them under D, some under W. Me, I have it under April 6, 1987! Jason. Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > Catherine- > Did you see the movie "High Fidelity"? The collector was re-organizing his > collection by date of acquisition!! I'm sure no one on JMDL has any wacky > arrangement like that! NOT!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:58:38 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: medical stuff NJC Wally, I sympathize with you about your son. My daughter was about the same age when she flew over her bicycle handlebars and made a 3-point landing (both elbows and her chin). It only took 5 stitches to close the chin, but those were terrible to witness! Like Matthew, she felt the stitches. > >The other thing I always wonder about is, how come >they haven't come up with a way to make motors quiet? >Is it a virility thing, or what? It seems that guys - >after all, they invented this stuff! - figure whoever >makes the most noise wins or something. LOL! Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:23:23 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and LiebfraumilchNJC on 10/17/00 2:36 AM, catman at colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk wrote: > Most Brits I've heard say it pronounce >> it "GARage" to rhyme with "carriage". > > Only the common ones! > Who's who? You didn't say. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:31:30 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC Deb, >The very worst part of any doctor visit, however, is getting weighed. I rolled on the floor, laughing! I've now dried my tears enough to thank you for this bit of mirth! Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:47:50 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: medical stuff NJC Diane Evans wrote: > Wally, > > I sympathize with you about your son. Wally-what have you been up to? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:48:41 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and LiebfraumilchNJC Michael Paz wrote: > on 10/17/00 2:36 AM, catman at colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk wrote: > > > Most Brits I've heard say it pronounce > >> it "GARage" to rhyme with "carriage". > > > > Only the common ones! > > > > Who's who? You didn't say. The clue is in the bit I quoted..... - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:43:25 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: medical stuff NJC In a message dated 10/17/00 8:12:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, diquintevans@hotmail.com writes: << Wally, I sympathize with you about your son. >> Wally? You have a son we didn't know about !!! And I didn't think you could carry to term :~) Just kidding Diane! That was Catherine who was posting about her son. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:15:13 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: snafus NJC Ha! I have to get the hang of reading those addresses! Is there an emoticon for sheepish-ness? Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:23:49 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Attn: Librarians; NJC i arrange my books by the date they were written. for example: robertson davies 1st novel , second novel, etc.. AND THEN I DO SOMETHING HORRIBLE: i separate women writers from men writers. i do the same with musicians: all the FEMALE singer/songwriters go together [if joni were reading, this she would spit on my eye!!!!] one thing, though: i've discovered that the VAST majority of my favorite writers and musicians are women, so they get choice space on my shelves. wallyK, a shelf chauvinist .................................................... The collector was re-organizing his collection by date of acquisition!! I'm sure no one on JMDL has any wacky arrangement like that! NOT!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:25:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: DVD njc give me your address. i'm catching the first plane out! wallyk colin wrote: Wally-come stay with me-it is coming into winter here. I like the cold. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:29:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: medical stuff NJC well, yes, the cat is out of the bag, and i'm relieved! of course, now i'll have to go and die at the magdalene laundries, like some lame bulb... wallyK, maternally - -----Mensaje original----- De: catman [mailto:colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk] Enviado el: Martes, 17 de Octubre de 2000 09:48 p.m. Para: Diane Evans CC: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: medical stuff NJC Diane Evans wrote: > Wally, > > I sympathize with you about your son. Wally-what have you been up to? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #551 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?