From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #549 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Monday, October 16 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 549 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- "work for hire" law - NJC [Deb Messling ] Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC [Heather ] Women and Popular Music [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Joni on DVD Audio ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Tomorrow night Lahm show (from Patrick) njc ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: The Tip Top Prize [Susan McNamara ] Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Adultery (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: rhymes for Liebfraumilch njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch [Catherine McKay ] Re: rhymes for Liebfraumilch njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: guantanamera njc [Catherine McKay ] Corinthians Mondegreen ["Jamie Zubairi" ] RE: guantanamera njc [Catherine McKay ] New York, Just like I pictured it... [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: One More Ton of The Lord's Prayer [Catherine McKay ] A Case of Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] pin me, too, Dean [Cindy09876@aol.com] Re: Bob and Rambling Jack and Woody ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC [Heather ] Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC-OOPS! [Heather ] MedicalsNJC [catman ] Vanity Fair [Lindsay Moon ] Re: pin me, too, Dean-njc [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: MedicalsNJC [catman ] Re: Vanity Fair [dsk ] NJC [MGVal@aol.com] NJC - Friends... [Julian51469@aol.com] RE: HOW ABOUT THE HAIL MARY -- NJC [BMGKotler@aol.com] Re: HOW ABOUT THE HAIL MARY -- NJC [catman ] RE: New York, Just like I pictured it...NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: A Case of Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Case of Joni [michael w yarbrough ] Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC [Deb Messling ] Chaka turns into Genghis [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Chaka turns into Genghis ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC ["Diane Evans" ] Attn: Librarians; NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Tomorrow night Lahm show (from Patrick) njc [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Very NJC [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:41:16 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: "work for hire" law - NJC Here is an update about the issue that Don Henley and others (Joni?) have been concerned about: NEW YORK (Variety) - The Senate has approved a bill that would block legislation that classified musical recordings as ``works made for hire,'' a controversial designation that effectively stripped musicians of ownership rights to their recordings. The Works Made for Hire & Copyright Corrections Act, which passed late on Thursday, sailed through the House of Representatives last month and will now make its way to the desk of President Clinton (news - web sites). He is expected to sign it into law. The legislation would reverse a law that was tacked onto the Satellite Home Viewer Improvement Act last November, in large part because of lobbying efforts by the Recording Industry Assn. of America, the group that represents the major record labels. The 1999 law effectively prevented musicians from petitioning their record labels for the rights to master recordings of their songs. Several prominent artists, including Don Henley and Sheryl Crow, protested the 1999 alteration in the law, arguing that it stripped them of rights to their masters as secured in the landmark Copyright Act of 1976. The result, says one veteran Gotham-based entertainment lawyer, is a return to the post-1976 status quo, in which artists can petition to reclaim their masters beginning in 2013, 35 years after the Copyright Act's provisions went into effect in 1978. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:40:00 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC I hate to see people think that one cancer is worse than another. Any form of cancer is a terrible thing for anyone to have. From what I can ascertain from the men I know in my life (husband, brothers, friends, colleagues) is that men, in general, do not like going to the doctor. While detection for prostate cancer can start with a simple blood test, one of the tests is to have a rectal exam. Most men fear this for one reason or another. I know I have to nag, nag, nag my husband to go to the doctor. I don't mind one bit because I love and care for him AND there is a history of cancer in his family. All the more reason! I don't know why there are not as many benefits or ribbons for the prevention of prostrate cancer. It may be due to that women are not as afraid to deal with their bodies as most men are. I'm not so sure it is because the prostrate is not "on show" either. Many women who have had mastectomies or hysterectomies due to cancer often have had to live with low self esteem and suffer in silence. A women's ovaries or uterus are not "on show" . You just don't feel like a whole person anymore. In any event, you are correct ..... it is society driven. Heather At 12:52 AM 10/16/00 +0100, catman wrote: >Breast cancer as with all cancers, is dreadful. More men are killed by >prostate cancer >than women are killed by breast cancer each year. yet there are no >benfitts and no >ribbons. Why? Maybe because our prostate is not on show and is not a >sexual icon. Maybe >because people really find the subjcet distasteful. >What a world we live in where illnesses are set against eachother as >competitors. >bw >colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:07:31 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Women and Popular Music I've been lent a copy of a book called "Women and Popular Music" by Sheila Whitely who is Professor of Popular Music at Salford University, UK. It's a book which seeks to explore the changing role of women musicians and the ways in which their songs resonate in popular culture, starting in the 60s and moving through to the present day. The sub title is "sexuality, itentity and subjectivity". The opening lines and, indeed, much of the content of the introduction feature the role of Joni Mitchell. Much is made of the difficulties for women in a male dominated industry and credit is given to Joni for demonstrating what can be done. Apparently, in the last 20 years, no more than 5 women have been appointed heads of any UK record companies and the statistics in the US are worse. Chapter six is called "The Lonely Road: Joni Mitchell, Blue and subjectivity" and is essentially an analysis of the album, Blue. As usual, there are one or two factual inaccuracies, but what is good is that it's a very musical analysis, examining harmonies, chord progressions and musical structure and relating all this to the lyrics with lots of written examples. It's a very enjoyable read and the writer is clearly a fan, the last line being :- It is a personal experience that is communicated with wit and intelligence and has certainly proved an inspiration for me. Others featured in the book include Janis Joplin, Annie Lennox, Madonna, k.d.lang and Tori Amos, ending with Brit pop and the Spice Girls. Hope this hasn't already been discussed. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:28:58 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Joni on DVD Audio I wish they would release Shadows & Light on DVD.... JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Hi! Just wanted to pass on the news that Warner Music Group has just > announced that it will release a Joni album in the new DVD Audio format soon. > > > I don't want to get into the audiophile-speak here, but basically, DVD-Audio > titles are remixed from original master recordings to create multichannel > surround tracks for DVD-Audio players and DVD Video players. That is to say, > you'll be able to listen to the Joni album in "surround sound" on your DVD > player. > > They don't say which album they will release in the new format, but I hope > it's Blue or Hejira and that it's out there before the holidays. I'm > dreaming of "River" in surround sound by the yule fireside. The new discs > are said to be priced at $25. > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:15:47 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: Tomorrow night Lahm show (from Patrick) njc Hi! Patrick asked me to post (his never went thru) about tomorrow night. Everyone will be meeting at 7:30 at Judy's, or Judy's Chelsea at 168 Eighth Ave. between 18th and 19th St. right next to the Joyce Theater. The restaurant is in the back of the space and the reservation is under Leader, for 10 people. Thanks! Take care, Nikki (posting for Patrick) "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:43:30 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Pronunciation (NJC) The Paz Man wrote: >I remember Elton pronouncing >garage as guerrrage in Levon A lot of Brits pronounce "garage" as "garridge", to rhyme with "carriage". My parents (who thought they were a cut above the common folks) taught me to say "garAHge". - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:01:54 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: The Tip Top Prize At 9:15 PM -0400 10/12/00, Victor Johnson wrote: >There's nothing that touches Jethro Tull "Thick as a Brick" in my opinion. >But as soon as I label anything as the "greatest" something else immediately >comes to mind. Another Tull fan comes to light!!! What courage!! May I add A Passion Play to that thought? cool!! take care, sue (who always thinks of joni as one of the original PROGs) :-) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:20:49 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC Heather wrote: << From what I can ascertain from the men I know in my life (husband, brothers, friends, colleagues) is that men, in general, do not like going to the doctor. >> This is so very true Heather. When I saw my physician last year to get my flu shot, he said I was *way* overdue for a physical. I told him I had one about 3 or 4 years ago and he said since I'm in my mid forties, I need one at least every 2 years (especially to check for prostate cancer). I had my lab work done, and my physical was three weeks ago. The entire month prior to the physical I was a nervous wreck mostly concerned with prostate cancer. It seems you hear more and more about this disease every day. I can't tell you how relieved I was after seeing the doctor. Not only was the prostate healthy, but he said I was in excellent health overall. I was on a cloud all day, but I can tell you as a man, I know I'll be just as nervous in another two years. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:46:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Adultery (NJC) - --- "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > Catherine wrote: > > > If you want the definitive version, you may wish > to > > check with Bill Clinton! > > I considered walking the four blocks to his house > during lunch today to ask him ... but in my head I > kept hearing my dear president (and I do adore the > man, if not his concept of truth) saying, "I did not > have sex with that woman!" so I figured I already > knew > what he would tell me. Quite right - it just isn't worth asking him. Actually, I still like the guy too (even though I'm a foreigner and it doesn't count). > I used to be stationed with a woman who hails from > Georgia, and (in 1984, anyway) she defined "making > love" to be ONLY when she and her husband had the > type > of intercourse that might beget offspring. (I'm > trying so hard to avoid being crude.) Other > "pleasures" didn't count as "making love." And in > her > mind, if you weren't "making love" with someone > else, > you weren't committing adultery. > > Is this a perspective unique to the Southern states? > It's just a little thing called equivocation - people can rationalize all they want (and they certainly do!) _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:51:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: rhymes for Liebfraumilch njc - --- catman wrote: >there was a popular song, the title of which is > Italian or Spanish that we called 'one > ton of melons'. I am sure you know which one I mean. I soitenly do (P.S., It's Spanish). _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:06:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch - --- Michael Paz wrote: > As far as I am concerned songwriters, rhymers, and > the like should be given > the latitude because they are almost always singers > as well. Dave Matthews, > Robert Plant and a host of other singers take all > kinds of latitudes when it > comes to proper annunciation is concerned. I > remember Elton pronouncing > garage as guerrrage in Levon, but it was one of the > charming things about > the song. Late again as always... "Garage" is one of those words that is pronounced several different ways depending on where you're from. Even in my own family, my sister pronounces it "GaRAJ" ("J" like the G's in "George", rhymes with Badge); I pronounce it "GarRAWZh" ("zh" like the "s" in pleasure"). Most Brits I've heard say it pronounce it "GARage" to rhyme with "carriage". (Psst, I like the big boo-hoo, so what do I know?) _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:16:51 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Joni on Webcast now! Just a quickie to say that www.wfuv.org is playing Joni music right now!!! I just online to I Had A King and now playing straight after Goodbye Porkpie Hat!! Wow Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:22:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: rhymes for Liebfraumilch njc Ooh-ooh! I think I got one - the question of rhyming something with liebfraumilch has plagued me all weekend (such an exciting life I lead!) How 'bout this? You have to go on the basis that often in German the "b" has a harder /p/ sound, especially when at the end of a word or before a consonant. And go with the not-very-German /k/ sounds for the "ch" at the end. They're pretty lame, but what the hell... 1. I fear that I shall weep sow silk If I don't get my liebfraumilch. 2. If it wasn't for this cheap cow silk, I could afford some liebfraumilch. (There aren't a great deal of words that rhyme with "milk".) _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:25:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: guantanamera njc - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Wally burger (my sweetie) writes: > > << colin!!!! i'm splitting!!! do you mean > guantanamera????? i think it's a > cuban song. michael must know. >> > > I think it's a Mexican song.. Cuban - guantanamera is a girl from Guantanamo (where the US naval base is). _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:34:58 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Corinthians Mondegreen well, all this talk about Kiss This Guy reminded me of a mondegreen that I was guilty of for a long time. In Joni's song 'Love' I always thought that she sang 'Love - never looks for love Love's not puffed up or envious or touchy Because it rejoices in the truth Not in the nicotine' as opposed to 'not in iniquity' I thought that it sounded a little funny for a long time but accepted it as I knew of her penchant for smoking. It wasn't until I bought a copy of the album with the lyrics printed inside the tape cover and read through it. Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:41:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: guantanamera njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > which guy are you talking about, murphy??????? > wally > > > >'Scuse me while I kiss this guy, I'm really behind in reading my e-mails and am reading them in funny order (so I'm not really sure where I am), so forgive me if this has already been mentioned - - there is a website called: http://www.kissthisguy.com/ devoted to "misheard lyrics". Check it out if you have too much time on your hands (or even if not.) _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:14:56 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: New York, Just like I pictured it... Okay. It's official! I will be in the City That Never Sleeps from Friday, October 20 to Wednesday October 25. I won't make it in time to catch the *opening* of David Lahm's all-Joni program at Judy's Chelsea, but I will attend on the 24th. I do hope some jmdlers will be at liberty to join me and (Atty.)May that night. I'm also setting aside Sunday for hanging with Joni-friends. Patrick, Rose, Alison, Nikki, Duane, Debra Shea, and all other units in the vacinity...won't you come out and play? I'm thinking brunch or something. I'm all ears for other activity suggestions though. Actually, Patrick I'm counting on you for pointers on how to do NY right, please? I'm subletting an apartment on the Upper West Side at 370 Columbus Avenue, Apt. 4B, between 77th and 78th Avenues. It's right across the street from the Museum of Natural History and across Central Park from the Met Museum of Art. I'll be checking out both museums. If anyone wants to come with, you're welcome to. Then the new planitarium is within walking distance too. Plus we'll be painting the town red and taking in much jazz and blues. You can always reach me on my cell at 415-672-5734. Hope to see some of you easterners soon. WooHoo. - -Julius npimh: 'Look out the left the captain said/the lights down there that's where we land" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:24:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: One More Ton of The Lord's Prayer - --- c Karma wrote: > My religious confusion started before Vatican II, > when the mass was > celebrated in Latin. The prayer and response which > now reads "May the Lord > be with you"/"And also with you" was then answered > by (don't know if I'm > spelling this correctly) "Et cum spirit tu tuo." I > always thought that this > response was a telephone number. I always pictured the holy ghost in a tutu! _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:35:48 +0100 From: "joe farrell" Subject: re:a case of joni Looking at the list of contributors to this soon to be released,hopefully, Joni tribute album it is definitely something to look forward to. News posted on the website with more to come. Joe. NP Kate Bush The Whole Story. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:38:27 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: A Case of Joni Just in case y'all haven't seen it...from JM.com... A Case of Joni, the tribute CD due out this winter on Reprise, is sure to delight Joni's fans as well as fans of all the artists who have made contributions to it. Here's what we can look forward to hearing on the CD: PM Dawn, “Night in the City” Annie Lennox, “Ladies of the Canyon” Stevie Wonder, “Woodstock” Janet Jackson, “Beat of Black Wings” Duncan Sheik, “Court and Spark” kd lang, “Help Me” Sarah McLachlan, “Blue” Elvis Costello, “Edith and the Kingpin” Chaka Khan, “Hejira” Etta James, “Amelia” Elton John, “Free Man In Paris” Bjork, “Boho Dance” Lindsey Buckingham with Mick Fleetwood, “Big Yellow Taxi” I wonder if the Sarah & Annie recordings are going to be re-releases of what's already out there... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:00:48 EDT From: Cindy09876@aol.com Subject: pin me, too, Dean Aloha, Dean.... Pin me, too, okay? I'm in Birmingham, Alabama, about "smack-dab" in the middle of the state, as they say here. Been here for about 30 of my 38 years, and afraid I'm here to stay for awhile, though I plan to grow old(er!) down there near you, Paz, in NOLA, the city of my dreams. Cindy, who definately has a big ole case of wanderlust due to this thread. Who wants to lend us their guest room first?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:18:08 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Bob and Rambling Jack and Woody Bruce Merrill asked, > So, is it fair to say that Ramblin' Bob Dylan is a self-concocted as, say, > Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars? Uhmmm. I guess it's FAIR to say although it's BLASPHEMY and you'll burn in HELL for it!! :) Seriously though, that's a fascinating image- Dylan copping Ramblin' Jack's mojo...... Maybe Ramblin' Jack is the only one who saw it that way...... Hmmm. I wonder how the Dylan List views it. :) All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:27:42 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: JMDL Artist Trivia, NJC Jim Messina said, "You have a little Neil Young in you," of which JMDL songwriter? And is Pegi jealous? :) (sorry, couldn't resist.) All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:50:58 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC I'm so glad you got a clean bill of health, Jimmy! It is the same relief for women who have their mammogram and pap tests come back negative too. It does put you on cloud nine. I did say that most men fear going to the doctor but believe me I do not look forward getting mammogram or pap smears (my daughter and I kid each other by calling it Pat Schmeers :-) I'm sure other women feel this way to some extent. It is most necessary though. I hope all of you monitor your good health by getting physical! Best of health to all ... Heather At 12:20 PM 10/16/00 -0400, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: >This is so very true Heather. When I saw my physician last year to get my >flu shot, he said I was *way* overdue for a physical. I told him I had one >about 3 or 4 years ago and he said since I'm in my mid forties, I need one at >least every 2 years (especially to check for prostate cancer). I had my lab >work done, and my physical was three weeks ago. The entire month prior to the >physical I was a nervous wreck mostly concerned with prostate cancer. It >seems you hear more and more about this disease every day. > >I can't tell you how relieved I was after seeing the doctor. Not only was >the prostate healthy, but he said I was in excellent health overall. I was >on a cloud all day, but I can tell you as a man, I know I'll be just as >nervous in another two years. > >Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:07:11 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC-OOPS! At 06:50 PM 10/16/00 -0400, Heather wrote: >I hope all of you monitor your good health by getting physical! >Best of health to all ... oops ... I meant getting 'a' physical !!!! well ..... you can get physical too ;-D Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:22:37 +0100 From: catman Subject: MedicalsNJC Here in the UK we don't go in for regular medicals. The only thing a Dr checks is your blood pressure and that is it. Anything esle is 'special'. Blood tests okay. I have been waiting 4 mtonths for my liver appopintment and that is happebning next month. I am supposed to have it ckecked out every 6 mths but haven't for sevral years now. Mind you, there is NO WAY I am having another biopsy. The blood test will tell them all they need to know! Try having a metal thing with a pincher thing on the end lunged into your liver through your ribcage whilst you are awake! The pain is appalling and is up your shoulder and neck because of a major nerve that runs between there and your liver. When I had my first one I was told it wouldn't hurt. So i stifled my myself and didn't let on because I was ashamed that it did hurt. The second time i just burst into tears straight away so they knew. Then they told they wwre surprised it hadn't hurt the first time!!!! They gave me a shot of pethidine and it went away almost immeditaely. then I had to lay still on my side for hours. So they can make do without a pice of me this time! bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:17:17 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Vanity Fair Debra Shea wrote about Vanity Fair's new issue and noting the lack of Joni: "And no Joni pictures?" Debra, I too looked at that issue today at my local grocery store and was sorely disappointed at the lack of Joni (have some Rolling Stone writers jumped ship to V.F.?? Those swine!). But in Elvis Costello's article, there were album covers interspersed and Hejira was in among them. Still a striking picture at the size of a postage stamp. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:20:45 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: pin me, too, Dean-njc In a message dated 10/16/00 5:10:48 PM EST, Cindy09876@aol.com writes: << I'm in Birmingham, Alabama, about "smack-dab" in the middle of the state, as they say here. Been here for about 30 of my 38 years, and afraid I'm here to stay for awhile, though I plan to grow old(er!) down there near you, Paz, in NOLA, the city of my dreams. >> i go to bham a lot. most of my contacts their go to mobile or destin for vacation. i love new orleans too. i've not been to mobile yet but i have been all over the florida panhandle. alabama is a great state. i love the barbeque there. ciao. patrick np. aaron carter - candy....'i like candy wrapped up ins a sweater' ...get it dad...candy comes in a wrapper...and the girl is candy in a sweater...get it dad? please, dear, go to bed now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:30:46 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: MedicalsNJC PS many years ago(84) when in a manic episode, I was taken to hospital by some well meaning person who thought I needed help! The casualty nurse asked me igf I had taken anything. i said 'of course' thinking she meant my meds. So the next thing I knew I was haiving my stomach pumped. When John arrived, he explained the problem and that I had not od'd and that i was just 'like that'. The nurse told him that in all her years nursing she had never come across anone who would not shut up even while my stomach was being pumped. I told jokes while they had the tube down me. Had I not been manic I would have sued the twits for pumping me anyway! Funny, people often thought I was on drugs. In a way I miss those days. Being high is fun. For me anyway. Loads of energy. Everything is great, great, great, and fun, fun, fun. The downside tho is real bummer! bw colin-who is stable nowadays and finds that a bit boring. I mean almost 40 years on a rollercoaster and now it is all flat and steady. Still i wouldn't want to go back. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:38:45 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Vanity Fair Yes, the little Hejira cover jumped right out at me too. Seeing it was very soothing (strange maybe but that's how it felt). It was an ahhhh experience, so much so that I couldn't even look at any of the other covers. Not as interesting as an article or photos would have been though. The politics of getting into that issue must have been fierce. Debra Shea Lindsay Moon wrote: > Debra, I too looked at that issue today at my local grocery store and was > sorely disappointed at the lack of Joni (have some Rolling Stone writers > jumped ship to V.F.?? Those swine!). But in Elvis Costello's article, > there were album covers interspersed and Hejira was in among them. Still a > striking picture at the size of a postage stamp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:09:55 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: NJC Let's Go Mets! Whew. Got THAT outta my system. MG np: Shea Stadium crowd noises on the new TV that I bought by accident, but everyone is now enjoying. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:18:34 EDT From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: NJC - Friends... Dear FRIENDS of ALL SHAPES & SIZES, Is it really national friendship week? Either way, words of wisdom I've received before and was very happy to see again: Eleanor Roosevelt wrote: > > > > > > > > Many people will walk in and out of your life, > > > > > > > > But only true friends will leave footprints in your heart. > > > > > > > > To handle yourself, use your head; > > > > > > > > To handle others, use your heart. > > > > > > > > Anger is only one letter short of danger. > > > > > > > > If someone betrays you once, it is his fault; > > > > > > > > If he betrays you twice, it is your fault. > > > > > > > > Great minds discuss ideas; > > > > > > > > Average minds discuss events; > > > > > > > > Small minds discuss people. > > > > > > > > He who loses money, loses much; > > > > > > > > He who loses a friend, loses much more; > > > > > > > > He who loses faith, loses all. > > > > > > > > Beautiful young people are accidents of nature, > > > > > > > > But beautiful old people are works of art. > > > > > > > > Learn from the mistakes of others. > > > > > > > > You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. > > > > > > > > Friends, you and me.... > > > > > > > > You brought another friend.... > > > > > > > > And then there were 3.... > > > > > > > > We started our group.... > > > > > > > > Our circle of friends.... > > > > > > > > And like that circle.... > > > > > > > > There is no beginning or end.... > > > > > > > > Yesterday is history. > > > > > > > > Tomorrow is mystery. > > > > > > > > Today is a gift. > > > > > > > > It's National Friendship Week. Show your friends how much you care.... > > > > > > > > Send this to everyone you consider a FRIEND. If it comes back to >you, > > > > then you'll know you have a circle of friends. (If it doesn't come >back to you, take heart--maybe you have a lazy circle of friends!) _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:25:13 EDT From: BMGKotler@aol.com Subject: RE: HOW ABOUT THE HAIL MARY -- NJC Another lapsed Catholic weighs in with this: I never had as much trouble figuring out the Lord's Prayer as I did with the Hail Mary. Hail Mary full of grapes. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou, a monkey swimming. I just didn't understand why Jesus' mom ate so many grapes and swam with the monkeys! My dad used to make me go to confession every Saturday. After several weeks, I had run out of sins and told my dad that I didn't need to go because I hadn't sinned since the Saturday before. He asked me if I had looked in the mirror. I said yes. And he said that vanity was a sin and I should go confess that. So, at the age of 10 I confessed as follows: Bless me father, for I have sinned. It has been one week since I've been to confession. I sinned by looking in the mirror over the vanity in the bathroom." Mind you, I had yet to realize that one should wash her hair more than once a week or for that matter comb it. I guess the priest couldn't see that through the screen -- he sent me on my way with the standard three Hail Mary's and one Our Father. Years later I told my dad the story. He laughed and said he couldn't even remember it! MADDIE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:51:49 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: HOW ABOUT THE HAIL MARY -- NJC BMGKotler@aol.com wrote: > Another lapsed Catholic weighs in with this: I never had as much trouble > figuring out the Lord's Prayer as I did with the Hail Mary. Hail Mary full > of grapes. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou, a monkey swimming. I > just didn't understand why Jesus' mom ate so many grapes and swam with the > monkeys! I never understood 'fruit of thy womb Jesus' till well into adulthood. That and the Lord's Prayer are the only Catholic ones I recall. i have mercifully forgotten most of that stuff. Today, my faveourite prayer is the Serenity Prayer. God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change The courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference. what could be more to the point? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:51:16 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC My mother was a survivor of breast cancer, so that makes me at a higher risk. I just got my reminder in the mail the other day to go for my annual mammography. Talk about excruciating pain. really guys, imagine having your scrotum squeezed in a vice. I'm going to make my appointment, but I'm not looking forward to it. In this day and age, you would think that they would have designed an x-ray device more in line with the contour of woman's breasts. Rose who thinks she should have pursued a career in the medical field. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:00:02 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: medical stuff NJC isn't that true, though? how come everything medical is STILL so painful? even anesthesia hurts. wallyk, cancer survivor too rose wrote >>>> In this day and age, you would think that they would have designed an x-ray device more in line with the contour of woman's breasts. Rose who thinks she should have pursued a career in the medical field. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:06:44 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: New York, Just like I pictured it...NJC oh julius!!!! i'm green! i hope you guys have a wonderful time! how did you ever get such a great sublet in NYC, by the way?!?!?!?!? wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de JRMCo1@aol.com Enviado el: Lunes, 16 de Octubre de 2000 04:15 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org CC: stealth@voicenet.com; rosemjoy@aol.com; alisone4@yahoo.com Asunto: New York, Just like I pictured it... Okay. It's official! I will be in the City That Never Sleeps from Friday, October 20 to Wednesday October 25. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:09:35 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC Rose, My great-grandmother died of breast cancer, so I'm in the same boat you are. I keep thinking, "this must have been invented by a guy," and, "The women who operate the machine had to have been trained by a man." I also notice none of the technicians I've encountered are more than an a-cup, so I think they just don't understand how painful it is for the more buxom lasses in the crowd. And, there IS a better and less painful way to do the exam: MRI. Insurance companies actively discourage it's use because of the expense (which is inflated). I wonder, what will it take for the more common use of MRI's? Not looking forward to mine this month, either. Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:23:21 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of Joni In a message dated 10/16/00 5:51:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Here's what we can look forward to hearing on the CD: PM Dawn, “Night in the City” Annie Lennox, “Ladies of the Canyon” Stevie Wonder, “Woodstock” Janet Jackson, “Beat of Black Wings” Duncan Sheik, “Court and Spark” kd lang, “Help Me” Sarah McLachlan, “Blue” Elvis Costello, “Edith and the Kingpin” Chaka Khan, “Hejira” Etta James, “Amelia” Elton John, “Free Man In Paris” Bjork, “Boho Dance” Lindsey Buckingham with Mick Fleetwood, “Big Yellow Taxi” >> 3 from C&S, 3 from LOTC, 2 Hejira, 2 HOSL, 1 STAS, 1 Blue, 1 CMIARS. No Clouds or For the Roses, let alone no DED? Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:40:51 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: New York, Just like I pictured it...NJC Oh Wally I wish we could all be together again soon. I'll take plenty of pictures if they allow me to. Perhaps Les will post them on his site. A little David Lahm Fest. Les, you reading this honey? :~) Rose in NJ hey did you check out my Joni bd card yet? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:52:07 -0500 From: mags Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC Diane Evans wrote: > Rose, > > My great-grandmother died of breast cancer, so I'm in the same boat you are. > I keep thinking, "this must have been invented by a guy," and, "The women > who operate the machine had to have been trained by a man." I also notice > none of the technicians I've encountered are more than an a-cup, so I think > they just don't understand how painful it is for the more buxom lasses in > the crowd. > > And, there IS a better and less painful way to do the exam: MRI. Insurance > companies actively discourage it's use because of the expense (which is > inflated). I wonder, what will it take for the more common use of MRI's? > > Not looking forward to mine this month, either. > > Diane as a Canadian women we dont "have" to get a mammogram until we are 50. I am NOT looking forward to this at all..even though I have a few years to go. Re: the pap smear thing..aka the annual terror....its pretty damned scary alright, especially when youve endured a life of trauma on that damned examining table being told you are pregnant, (unwed), not pregnant (temporarily infertile), pregnant.(finally a good thing)..and then pregnant and not pregnant on the same day (miscarriage)..geeze guys , the things we tell you. Its bloody awful and scary and I sweat buckets before , during and after. gnawing on my hands at the thought.... maybe we could just accompany one another and hold each others hands..only the medical powers that be usually wont let anyone else in. How disempowering is that?? Medicine is very political. Im in no way saying what men go through isnt awful too .... this is just my experience . love Mags > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:52:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of Joni <> kd's and Elton's versions are gonna sound like the TNT Tribute, which is OK but won't offer up anything different. Hopefully, Duncan & Chaka can save face with their "take two" performances of the songs that they butchered at Joni's Jazz. Can't wait to hear Stevie's take on Woodstock, that will soar, and I can hear Elvis' "Edith" already in my head. Also anxious to hear Bjork & P.M. Dawn. Hey, who am I kidding...covers junkie that *I* am, I'll love it all!! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:09:30 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: A Case of Joni On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Hopefully, Duncan & Chaka can save > face with their "take two" performances of the songs that they butchered at > Joni's Jazz. ?!?! Chaka's "Hejira" was one of the most thrilling live musical performances I've ever experienced. Maybe you had to be there...? - --Michael NP: Prince, _Controversy_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:12:59 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC I just have to jump in here and say that I've been getting mammograms since age 35 (my mother had breast cancer at 43) and not one has hurt the least little bit. I do not doubt that they are painful for some women, but I'd hate to think that any woman would hesitate to get one for fear of pain. I'm sure there's a sizeable minority of women like me who experience no pain at all. At 08:51 PM 10/16/00 -0400, you wrote: >My mother was a survivor of breast cancer, so that makes me at a higher risk. >I just got my reminder in the mail the other day to go for my annual >mammography. Talk about excruciating pain. really guys, imagine having your >scrotum squeezed in a vice. \ Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:14:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Chaka turns into Genghis << Maybe you had to be there...? >> I guess...I think people were so excited about the POSSIBILITIES there that they overlooked the fact that she focused more on her screeching than what the song is saying emotionally. She tried to peak vocally WAY too early and left herself with nowhere to build to. Just my 2 cents, and I wasn't there... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:22:27 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Chaka turns into Genghis > << Maybe you had to be there...? >> > > I guess...I think people were so excited about the POSSIBILITIES there that > they overlooked the fact that she focused more on her screeching than what > the song is saying emotionally. She tried to peak vocally WAY too early and > left herself with nowhere to build to. > > Just my 2 cents, and I wasn't there... > > Bob > For what it's worth, this was my impression too. I really couldn't see the point of Chaka's oversinging on Joni's Jazz. In fact the vocals as a whole were less than impressive to me. With one or two exceptions (John Kelly being one, Hendricks & Ross being another). Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:29:29 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC Mags, You said it! >especially when youve endured a life of trauma on that damned examining >table It always amazes me how you're laying there on that table with each foot in a different postal zone, about to have a Buick driven up to your sternum, and they tell you, "Relax." Nah, I don't think guys have much concept of what it's like. :-D That's why women are so resilient, right? >(temporarily maybe we could just accompany one another >and hold each others hands..only the medical powers that be usually wont >let >anyone else in. How disempowering is that?? > >Medicine is very political. Isn't that the truth? Back at you! Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:46:15 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: MedicalsNJC (md) Colin, thanks for the report from the field on medevil torture techniques. : ) marcel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:48:20 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Against Breast CancerNJC In a message dated 10/16/00 10:27:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << I do not doubt that they are painful for some women, but I'd hate to think that any woman would hesitate to get one for fear of pain. I'm sure there's a sizeable minority of women like me who experience no pain at all. >> Oh please Deb I didn't want to discourage anyone from getting one, but it's just been my experience, that's all. Maybe it was the technician. She was brutal. I expressed my discomfort, but she just went on to say they had to get a good picture. Maybe the radiologists were complaining about the films they were getting were hard to read. I don't really know, but the first one I ever had was bearable. I think due to the fact the technician manually adjusted the pressure being placed on my breasts. - -Rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:06:16 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch on 10/16/00 10:06 AM, Catherine McKay at anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote: > > --- Michael Paz wrote: >> As far as I am concerned songwriters, rhymers, and >> the like should be given >> the latitude because they are almost always singers >> as well. Dave Matthews, >> Robert Plant and a host of other singers take all >> kinds of latitudes when it >> comes to proper annunciation is concerned. I >> remember Elton pronouncing >> garage as guerrrage in Levon, but it was one of the >> charming things about >> the song. > > Late again as always... > > "Garage" is one of those words that is pronounced > several different ways depending on where you're from. > Even in my own family, my sister pronounces it > "GaRAJ" ("J" like the G's in "George", rhymes with > Badge); I pronounce it "GarRAWZh" ("zh" like the "s" > in pleasure"). Most Brits I've heard say it pronounce > it "GARage" to rhyme with "carriage". > > (Psst, I like the big boo-hoo, so what do I know?) I always loved that line too. But man those Brits sho deaux tawlk funy! Tee hee! Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni on DVD Audio - --- "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > I wish they would release Shadows & Light on DVD.... They did! Problem is, it's a Region 2 DVD (Japanese import) Unless you have a multi-region DVD player, it's just an expemsive Joni-coaster take care, Brian nw: the mets winning 7-0, bottom of the 8th ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:36:32 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Attn: Librarians; NJC I finally re-organized my CD collection. Is Paquito D'Rivera correctly alphabetized under "D", as L'Hommedieu is alphabetized under "L"? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:54:26 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Tomorrow night Lahm show (from Patrick) njc That is really nice. It's not my show, but I'm happy doing it; I think we have a few new ways to do the songs. I look forward to seeing you and many thanks for the support. DL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:01:25 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Very NJC Yahoooooo! The Mets just won! They're playing in the World Series. They've been my team ever since living on the #7 line that went directly to Shea Stadium. Spent lots of time there with a very good friend.... Even in my 102 degree fever strep throat stupor I'm happy! Wow. Debra Shea MGVal@aol.com wrote: > Let's Go Mets! > > Whew. > > Got THAT outta my system. > > MG > > np: Shea Stadium crowd noises on the new TV that I bought by accident, but > everyone is now enjoying. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #549 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?