From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #545 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Saturday, October 14 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 545 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: guantanamera njc ["Hell" ] Re: [Re: I went looking for a cause...] [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: guantanamera njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: kiss this guy ["Hell" ] Re: guantanamera njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Signe? NJC ["Kakki" ] Happy Birthdays! (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Sweet Joni [Phyliss Ward ] NO Joni in Music Issue 400! [dsk ] when i was a communist njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] misheard lyrics njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Mojo Check ["susan" ] Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch [Michael Paz ] Happy Birthday Joni [JoniMessages@aol.com] Re: Judy Collins/Bob/Apples&Cheese [Nancy ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #396 [Nancy ] Re: apples, cheeses, and liebfraumilch [Nancy ] RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #544 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Adultery (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Adultery (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Bob & Joni - the paint & the paintbrush ["william" Subject: Re: guantanamera njc Bob wrote: > It's the title of a book about misheard lyrics. Apparently many people > thought Jimi Hendricks said, "'Scuse me while I kiss this guy" instead of > "'Scuse me while I kiss the sky." There's also a website at: http://www.kissthisguy.com There are two entries for Joni, both for the line "They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot", misheard as "It tastes very nice, food of the parking lot", and "A gay pair of guys put up a parking lot". I quite like the second one! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:34:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: [Re: I went looking for a cause...] << She sang on Tears are not Enough - the Canadian version of Band Aids "Do They Know It's Christmas/Feed the World" >> Hiya Lori! And you triggered another memory, that she sings on a pretty cool little record called "Spirit Of The Forest" which was a benefit for Rainforests or some such. Joni & XTC on the same record, I can die happy! :~) I've got a pristine copy of it, but I haven't thrown it on a compilation yet because Simon promised a tree of all that Contribution stuff this fall. What's the update on that project, Simon? Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "Point Blank" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:38:33 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: guantanamera njc In a message dated 10/13/00 8:34:10 PM, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << There's also a website at: http://www.kissthisguy.com There are two entries for Joni, both for the line "They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot", misheard as "It tastes very nice, food of the parking lot", and "A gay pair of guys put up a parking lot". >> My favorite is from the Beatles song "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds": the girl with colitus goes by... --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:34:41 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: kiss this guy This was NJC, but since I've included Joni, I thought the Joni-only might be amused as well! Bob wrote: > It's the title of a book about misheard lyrics. Apparently many people > thought Jimi Hendricks said, "'Scuse me while I kiss this guy" instead of > "'Scuse me while I kiss the sky." There's also a website at: http://www.kissthisguy.com There are two entries for Joni, both for the line "They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot", misheard as "It tastes very nice, food of the parking lot", and "A gay pair of guys put up a parking lot". There's also an entry for Woodstock (under CSNY) for the line "Well I came upon a child of God" heard as "Well I came upon a Charlie Dodd"! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:41:24 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: guantanamera njc In a message dated 10/13/00 8:30:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: << Hello, Wally: It's the title of a book about misheard lyrics. Apparently many people thought Jimi Hendricks said, "'Scuse me while I kiss this guy" instead of "'Scuse me while I kiss the sky." >> If you want to see more of this kind of misheard lyrics go to : http://www.kissthisguy.com/ - -----Bob (oops I mean Jimmy) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:39:07 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Signe? NJC > The original female lead vocalist of the Jefferson Airplane >was named Signe. I believe. marcel That's correct, Marcel. Signe Anderson was the original female lead for the Airplane. She has a gorgeous voice and still performs with them/Starship/Hot Tuna on occasion. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:41:01 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Happy Birthdays! (NJC) Another round of Happy Birthdays to two wonderful Librans - Michael Y. and Roberto! Raising my glass with affection, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:13:39 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Sweet Joni Well Michael, you could at least spell my fair city's name correctly! ; - D It's Bakersfield! At least something good happened here in 1973. Of course I was living in Miami then...figures... Phyliss Michael Paz wrote: > I was just listening to a recording of the song Sweet Joni by Neil Young (as > Bette once said, "oh Neil he's so deep!" but I digress) for the first time. > It is on a boot compilation of stuff and the recording is in the Civic > Auditorium in Bakersfiels, California 3-20-73. Does anyone know when this > song was written? I find it to be preety unremarkable both lyrically and > musically and thought that maybe the song was very young and possibly > incomplete at the time. > > Michael > > NP-Tonights the Night-Neil Live at Queens College, NY 11-15-73 - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:26:01 -0400 From: dsk Subject: NO Joni in Music Issue 400! Today I grabbed up the November issue of Vanity Fair because the headline said "THE MUSIC ISSUE! 400 ..." and I was sure there'd be at least one picture of Joni, but Nooooo! Not that I can find anyway and I've flipped through lots of times. What a disappointment! The only mention I could find of Joni was in Elvis Costello's list of 500 albums essential to a happy life. So since I'm looking at that now, here's what Joni cds Elvis considers essential and the song on each one that he thinks makes it essential: Blue: Last Time I saw Richard For the Roses: Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Court and Spark: Down to You The Hissing of Summer Lawns: Shades of Scarlet Conquering Hejira: Amelia Taming the Tiger: Man from Mars; Stay in Touch WHAT? no NRH, no Slouching....? Nothing from Dog Eat Dog? (just kidding) No Dancin' Clown? or Lead Balloon? What's with this Elvis guy? And no Joni pictures? Although the headline does say "400 rock-'em sock-'em pages of guitar gods and blues kings, soul divas and hip-hop queens, jazz legends and hair bands". Guess Joni's not considered any of those so that's why she's not in the issue. But James Levine isn't either and he's in there. Why?? How misleading, a "music issue" with no Joni. There is a good article about Madonna though (why? she's not any of those music types either), and there's also a picture of a very happy Eric Clapton (that's good to see), and a very moody (what's new?) Lou Reed. Strange issue of a magazine. Should have spent more time flipping through at the newstand and saved my big $3.95. Debra Shea NP: Another American League championship series game. Yankees 3, Mariners 1, top of the fourth. Subway series is looking like a possibility and people are already going nuts. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:33:52 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: when i was a communist njc oh my god!!!!!! the famous ''cultivo una rosa blanca'' poem we all had to memorize in grade school!!!!! i never knew that it had been the basis for guantanamera. i was a member of the communist party when i was in my late teens, and guantanamera was very popular among us. the party was clandestine [however you pronounce it]. in fact, if it was known that you were a marxist, you got killed summarily by the paramilitary. [there was a ferocious military dictatorship in argentina from '76 to '83.] so one way we had to identify one another was to hum or whistle guantanamera. for example, after a surprise rally or any event in which we had to act quickly and disband, each one of us had to be counted, basically to see if we had all survived. so we were assigned different spots in the city we had to pass by, humming, of course, guantanamera! we didn't know which one of the people in that busy spot was our contact. sometimes it was another student, sometimes a waiter having a smoke, etc.. but guantanamera was the clue that we were members of he party and that we were [still] alive and not ''desaparecidos''. wallyk, who, for all his flippancy, has lived a dangerous life. bob wrote: (the next verse says,) I cultivate a rose in June and in January For the sincere friend who gives me his hand And for the cruel one who would tear out this heart with which I live I do not cultivate thistles nor nettles I cultivate a white rose Cultivo la rosa blanca En junio como en enero Qultivo la rosa blanca En junio como en enero Para el amigo sincero Que me da su mano franca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:44:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: misheard lyrics njc there's an old carpenters song called ''a place to hide away''. there's a line that goes ''i hear you whisper and i must obey'' which i always heard as ''i hear you whisper and i masturbate''. oo la la! wallyk >>>>>>> If you want to see more of this kind of misheard lyrics go to : http://www.kissthisguy.com/ - -----Bob (oops I mean Jimmy) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:14:53 -0700 From: "susan" Subject: Mojo Check Dear Joni, I've had digital interference...That's kinda like a can of neon green psychedelic worms in your fishbowl ;~) I'm just checkin' out my mojo :~D Susan L.A. I am your angel :~) http://www.ladiesnlace.net/chelsea.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:54:26 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch on 10/12/00 11:02 PM, Murphycopy@aol.com at Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/13/00 1:03:33 AM, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > > << Along with tea and certain wines. I know Joni did alot of good for the > marketing of a certain German white rhine wine. >> > > Joni sang: > > Seventeen glasses > Rhine wine > Milk of the Madonna > Clandestine > > And she also sang: > > Well I've got this berth and this roll down blind > I've got this fold up sink > And these rocks and these cactuses going by > And a bottle of German wine to drink > > That "certain German wine" Michael mentions was Liebfraumilch, I believe, > which was big in the '70s and '80s. It's a sweet white wine that goes with > things like apples and cheeses. I've been told that Liebfraumilch means, > surprise surprise, virgin's milk, or, as Joni says, milk of the Madonna. > > --Bob I don't recall it being so much sweet as fruity (different as far as the wine steward is concerned). Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:05:03 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch on 10/12/00 11:49 PM, IVPAUL42@aol.com at IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/13/00 2:07:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > > << > Joni sang: > > Seventeen glasses > Rhine wine > Milk of the Madonna > Clandestine >>> > Personally, while I enjoyed plenty of bottles of liebfraumich in my late > teens and 20s, I think this is one of Joni's worst lyrics because she > perverts the pronunciation of clandestine, the preferred pronunciation of > which has a silent e on the end and the accent on the middle syllable. > Pronunciation: klan-'des-t&n > Maybe she should have tried to rhyme something with liebfraumilch instead of > Rhine wine. > > Paul I As far as I am concerned songwriters, rhymers, and the like should be given the latitude because they are almost always singers as well. Dave Matthews, Robert Plant and a host of other singers take all kinds of latitudes when it comes to proper annunciation is concerned. I remember Elton pronouncing garage as guerrrage in Levon, but it was one of the charming things about the song. Plant was also guilty of making something from a hook even if it was a miss-pronounciation of a word. Were you also as critical of big boo-hoo in Man From Mars? Come on Pauly, just for sake of discussion or Conversation you may need to lighten up just a bit. At least she didn't stoop as low as "Got Milk!" ( I know before its time, but you know what I mean). Paz NP-CNN (yuck) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:21:19 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: "Joni Mitchell, My Brilliant Goon" Sometime during the summer someone posted this URL http://faculty.uca.edu/james.murray/joni150.gif for a cartoon called "Joni Mitchell, My Brilliant Goon" by a soon-to-be-famous guy named Garret Gaston. It's about a kid who gets beaten up every day by Rudy Rikovic, a bully at school. The kid finds comfort in listening to Joni's music, and dreams that she comes to him and becomes his "goon" by getting revenge on the bully. If you haven't seen this hilarious cartoon yet, check it out. Anyway, I liked "My Brilliant Goon" so much I contacted Garret to see if I could buy a print of it and he's willing to do it. I just thought that if anyone else likes the cartoon as much as I do and would like a copy, you can contact Garret at garret_g@yahoo.com about buying this unique Joni treasure. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:19:14 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch In a message dated 10/13/00 10:54:48 PM, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: << I don't recall it being so much sweet as fruity (different as far as the wine steward is concerned). >> I'm not much of a wine drinker, but from what I remember of Liebfraumilch, you're absolutely right. It's just that "fruity" isn't a word I use much! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:26:23 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Happy Birthdays! (NJC) > Another round of Happy Birthdays to two wonderful Librans - Michael Y. and > Roberto! > > Raising my glass with affection, and mine as well! Happy Birthday guys! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:59:39 EDT From: JoniMessages@aol.com Subject: Happy Birthday Joni Hi all, As I'm sure everybody knows, Joni's birthday is only a few weeks away, on November 7. I think it would be great if we got together and sent a nice simple greeting to wish her our best, and to let her know we're thinking of her. I'm sure some of you have ideas you'd like to share for an Internet Community birthday card -- I'd love to hear them, so please post your thoughts to the list so we can decide what to do. I'll be happy to play postman. jj (JoniMitchell.com) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:25:27 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: Re: Judy Collins/Bob/Apples&Cheese Hi, Has anyone heard Judy Collins in concert? She is coming to my area next May; am thinking about getting tickets. Any recommendations??? For the last several years, I seem to have been favoring female musical artists--so, absolutely I must say Joni over Bob. The only song I can remember liking of his is "Lay Lady Lay" back in junior high/high school. (Obviously not a hard-core Dylan fan :-)) The people I knew back then > that were Joni fans also seemed to have information that "Conversation" > was about Judy Collins/Stephen Stills. I like this thread about food mentioned in Joni's songs. I especially like Extra Sharp Cheddar Cheese with my apples :-) I also think the line you refer to (apples & > cheeses) may not need to be taken so literal... Later, Nancy/IA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:32:11 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #396 Hi Paul, I would love to hear your suggestions for this! :-) > Maybe she should have tried to rhyme something with liebfraumilch Nancy/IA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:33:00 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: Re: apples, cheeses, and liebfraumilch Hi Paul, I would love to hear your suggestions for this! :-) > Maybe she should have tried to rhyme something with liebfraumilch Nancy/IA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:16:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #544 barbara wrote: i used to visit my grandfather in belmar all the time, borrow another relative's beach badge to hit the boardwalk. Wow. Beach badges. I'd forgotten all about those. Here in California there is no such thing. Anyone can go to any beach anytime. What an odd concept it seems after living here for so long. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:28:24 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Adultery (NJC) In a message dated 10/13/00 2:11:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lrfye@yahoo.com writes: << And in her mind, if you weren't "making love" with someone else, you weren't committing adultery. Is this a perspective unique to the Southern states? >> I think it's less "perspective" and more "justification" for doing breaking vows and doing what they want to do regardless. MG - been there, done that so it's experience talking... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:26:11 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Adultery (NJC) This ties into the Catholic experience thread for me. While my short stint in Catholic school was quite untraumatic (they were relatively progressive and very kind - no rulers or mean old nuns) they did place an over-emphasis on ensuring that we be vigilant against any and all venal and mortal sins. While explaining the meanings of the Ten Commandments to us, they fudged a bit when it came to the one about adultery. I'm sure they thought we were too young (and they were too proper) to have the real definition explained to us. Instead they used the example of "speaking bad, naughty words" as falling under the category of adultery. Shortly thereafter my parents dutifully dropped me off at the church one Saturday to go to confession. At that age, I was always racking my brain to come up with something so I thought, "oh yeah" and confessed to committing adultery three times. The priest was very silent and seemed to cough a bit and asked "what exactly did you do, my child?" I was embarrassed to tell him I'd said the word "pee" three times. Another long pause and then he said "my child, you have not committed adultery" and then he let me off with a minimal penance. As we were driving away I told my parents that I was confused in what I learned from Sister and related what had just transpired. My father nearly drove off the road and my mother doubled over they were laughing so hard. When my mother was finally able to talk coherently she said "I bet that priest about fell out of the confessional booth laughing" and then they both started cracking up again. They did not explain to me what was so funny but I figured it was something "adult" and was glad it gave them a good laugh. The next year they enrolled me in public school. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:32:16 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Bob & Joni - the paint & the paintbrush How do you guys manage to be in mid thread before I get it downloaded? Anyway on the now exhausted Dylan or Joni? .......... Rightfully acknowledged as one of the top albums of all time, Blonde on Blonde is peerless. Highway 61, Blood on the Tracks, Desire, New Morning - wonderful! The way I see it, Dylan sketches and throws all his work on the table raw for everyone to see (a kind of here do something with this), whereas Joni works in detail and frames her musical tapestries before display (a kind of this is how it is). Dare I say therefore Dylan is more interpretable and therefore more appealling as Joni's work is so definitive and harder to accommodate / do anything with on a six-stringed standard-tuned Yamaha in a college bed-sit with 101 Tunes for Buskers. Dylan is the paint, Joni is the paintbrush. IVy P says preaching to the converted whereas Jim the Man-o-God wants to re-affirm his faith. I see something of myself in every point of view. What's the point? That's exactly the point. Willy the Shake For Dean's vicarious thrill - on a world map 1mm west of Bali on the island of Jawa, Indonesia. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:52:21 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Joni J.J. wrote: << Joni's birthday is only a few weeks away, on November 7. I think it would be great if we got together and sent a nice simple greeting to wish her our best, and to let her know we're thinking of her. >> That's right!! All of you brilliant, talented, artistic, creative JMDLers, time to put your quick thinking caps on to let Joni know how much she is loved and apprectiated. .........and I don't think we can just get away with singing Victor's "Happy F**king Birthday" song :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #545 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?