From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #544 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Friday, October 13 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 544 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- clandestine njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: The Top Prize [Robert Holliston ] Re: Another Joni cover...maybe ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: The Top Prize [Siresorrow@aol.com] michaels bday, dylan, joni and running [pat holden ] Re: clandestine njc [MGVal@aol.com] Does anyone know? ["Signe Wiig Salvesen" ] Re: Adultery (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Another Joni cover...maybe [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: Adultery (NJC) ["c Karma" ] Re: The Tip Top Tull, njc [B Merrill ] On Court and Spark and the Sunshine Coast [Jeff Clark ] Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: clandestine njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: rhymes for Liebfraumilch njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Adultery (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Does anyone know? NJC [Catherine McKay ] Joni Poster @ Mendel [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Signe? NJC [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Adultery (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: clandestine njc [catman ] Re: rhymes for Liebfraumilch njc [catman ] Re: Adultery (NJC) [catman ] Sweet Joni ["Michael Paz" ] Re: To be a pin on a map (NJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] re: pin me up NJC [BarBearUh ] Re: [Re: I went looking for a cause...] [Lori Reason ] Re: Adultery (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: guantanamera njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch ["Hell" ] Re: rhymes for Liebfraumilch njc ["Hell" ] Re: rhymes for Liebfraumilch njc [catman ] Re: The Tip Top Prize njc ["Hell" ] Re: guantanamera njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: guantanamera njc [michael w yarbrough ] Re: guantanamera njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: guantanamera njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: guantanamera njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: [Re: I went looking for a cause...] ["Kakki" Subject: clandestine njc i have always wondered if canadians pronounce clandestine clan-DES-tine, rhyming with man-BEST-wine, instead of the more usual way paul i has mentioned. wallyk, always the phonetics buff >> she perverts the pronunciation of clandestine, the preferred pronunciation of which has a silent e on the end and the accent on the middle syllable. Pronunciation: klan-'des-t&n Maybe she should have tried to rhyme something with liebfraumilch instead of Rhine wine. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 04:13:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch what on earth can rhyme with Liebfraumilch in english??????? wallyk, seriously >>>> Maybe she should have tried to rhyme something with liebfraumilch instead of Rhine wine. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 04:03:16 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch In a message dated 10/13/00 3:15:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << what on earth can rhyme with Liebfraumilch in english??????? wallyk, seriously >> milk, bilk, ilk, SILK, ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 05:56:36 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: rhymes for Liebfraumilch njc none of those words rhyme with Liebfraumilch, unless you mispronounce Liebfraumilch to make it sound like an english word. the vowel sound in ''milch'' sounds almost like the vowel sound in ''tree'', and the final consonant sound doesn't even exist in english. it's like the ''ch'' in ''loch'', when the word is pronounced by somebody from scotland. maybe a word like ''leash'', or any other word with that vowel sound and a voiceless fricative consonant [such as ''s'', ''f'', or ''th'' -- as in ''teeth''] at the end would almost rhyme with Liebfraumilch. e.g.: ''seventeen glasses Liebfraumilch shit! i forgot to buy my dog a new leash'' wallyk - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de IVPAUL42@aol.com Enviado el: Viernes, 13 de Octubre de 2000 05:03 a.m. Para: wallykai@interserver.com.ar; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch In a message dated 10/13/00 3:15:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << what on earth can rhyme with Liebfraumilch in english??????? wallyk, seriously >> milk, bilk, ilk, SILK, ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:13:51 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Where art thou going (NJC) > > > Colin > Me thinks the question REALLY is Where are you going? I intend dying here-tho not yet! > > > Keep on truckin > > Michael > > NP-Stateless-U2 (from Million Dollar Hotel) - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 02:20:16 -0700 From: Robert Holliston Subject: Re: The Top Prize When I read this, I thought to myself, Dylan's canvas is bigger, Joni's strokes are subtler and more precise. (I just came home from a terrific opening night party, so that statement may be meaningless even to me by tomorrow morning ;-) Dylan has certainly been influential, but a large number of significant writers have listed Joni as an influence too. As for the student surpassing the teacher, a prime example is: Schubert studied with Salieri. I wouldn't want to qualify anyone as "the best," it's just that, for whatever reason(s), I love more of Joni's songs than Dylan's, and love them more deeply. Plus I love her singing - especially of her own material (he says emphatically). Others? I've been immersing myself lately in Tom Waits, who continues to astound and challenge. When I listen to Blue Valentine (the song), I think I would pay money to hear him sing A Case of You or Come in From the Cold. That raspy voice is nothing but emotion. Just some random thoughts.... Roberto Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Clearly the race for 'best singer-songwriter' is between Bobby and Joni. > Did Dylan ever write ANYTHING as good as the "Last Time I Saw Richard"? I > don't think so. I know Bob was more Influential by far. I also think that > sometimes the Student (Joni) surpasses the skills of the Teacher (Bob > Dylan). For me, Joni is THE best. Others? > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 05:38:27 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Another Joni cover...maybe Mark D. wrote: "Well this just may be a cover that I would actually enjoy. According to the Pharmer's Almanac Vol. 3 (which is a book full of various Phish factoids, setlists, tour stories, covers, etc) Phish covered Help Me on April 10, 1993 along with Sugar Blue (I don't know who he/she is) who sang and played the harmonica. "Now I was told a couple of years ago that Help Me is also the title of an old blues song, but until I hear it I still think it's Joni's song, although it's really unlikely." "Help Me" was a blues hit by Sonny Boy Williamson in the 50s, and it's been a staple of Van Morrison's stage show since the mid-70s (it appears on Van's live album, It's Too Late To Stop Now, and he still performs it regularly). Given Sugar Blue's appearance with Phish at that 1993 show, I gotta believe it was Sonny Boy's tune they were playing. "Boston Jim" NP: Nothing...it's only 5:30 AM, and intelligent people are still asleep ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:05:20 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: The Top Prize I think I first heard Tangled Up in Blue in 1973 or 74. I knew it was something special and listened to it over and over. ( jesus, michael yarbrough wasn't even on the planet then ) But now, in 2000, I have 18 joni albums on my shelf, and not one Dylan album on my shelf. I have nothing agains the Bob. Just don't have any of his C.D.s. Probably one big problem is that i never get the hidden messages, so there's no...wow moments for me. patrick np. computer fan and fish pump ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:47:40 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: michaels bday, dylan, joni and running Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > < or 74. I knew it was > something special and listened to it over and over. > ( jesus, michael > yarbrough wasn't even on the planet then )>> I had to laugh over this comment of yours re: Michael....(absolutely no offense Michael..I just cant believe how the time has flown)....contemplating Michaels 25th bday today sure made me feel old too. I remember turning 25 and thinking I was old then. Isnt it ironic. Anyway, happy bday Michael :))) > > patrick also wrote: > < shelf, and not one Dylan album > on my shelf. I have nothing agains the Bob. Just > don't have any of his > C.D.s. Probably one big problem is that i never get > the hidden messages, so > there's no...wow moments for me.>> me again: I saw Bob D. in Toronto a couple of years ago when I went to see Joni here at the Gardens.She was incredible!!! I remember sitting there thinking omg...its really HER...and I was overwhelmed with emotions. Im sorry to say that the down side of this concert was the boomy, crappy acoustics. It was very creepy sitting at the Gardens considering its history. Anyway.....Bob D. was definitely the big draw...the crowds went absolutely wild and I remember thinking and wondering....am I missing something??? oh WELL> Not to say he wasnt good....just didnt evoke the same response in me. I sat there kind of stunned after the fact...I had just seen Joni for the one and only time in my life and didnt want her part of the programme to end..ever!!!!....and then there was Bob and out came the dancers in the dark. I started running again this week after several weeks off...what a wonderful and yet bizarre sensation that was. It is going so well that Im not even sore (yeah , right)...Seriously, it IS going really well...sometimes taking a break from running is a good thing, so my coach says. I take Mimis walkman and play the tape I made for Brian (dave matthews , U2 etc) . I get to look out over the Hamilton Harbour/Burlington Bay , which is a mixed thing....the juxtaposition of steel mills with natural trails and water and some sailboats and especially the hawks....thats where I see hawks alot...the most amazing thing....they often circle over me while I run...a good sign that i often watch for ;) good running, Mags > > np: two step, dave matthews - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:23:22 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: clandestine njc In a message dated 10/13/00 12:18:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << i have always wondered if canadians pronounce clandestine clan-DES-tine, >> Hmmm. I polled my mother who was born and raised in Altoona PA and in later years had her accent shaped my father's melodic Swedish accent and pronunciation quirks along with the elegant articulation of industrial New Joisey. She had no clue why I was asking and the conversation veered dangerously off into the dangers of the Internet when I tried to explain the joni list and how someone brought up the pronunciation and that, no, it's not a chat room and no, it's not a pyramid scheme and yes I am careful and no I haven't let them take my children anywhere and yes some of them might be...AWRIGHT MA! How do you pronounce the word??? We both say: "clan-DES-tine." Potato(e)/potahto(e), Nothing rhymes with liebfraumilch(o) MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:26:38 CEST From: "Signe Wiig Salvesen" Subject: Does anyone know? Hi! I see that there`s something called Jonifests.I been getting some information about it on the Joni Mitchell Homepage.But I Wonder if someone can tell me if there has been or will be any of these Jonifests in Europe?? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Adultery (NJC) Vanessa wonders: > What is considered adultery? From Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary (online): Main Entry: adul·tery Pronunciation: &-'d&l-t(&-)rE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -ter·ies Etymology: Middle English, alteration of avoutrie, from Middle French, from Latin adulterium, from adulter adulterer, back-formation from adulterare Date: 15th century : voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband; also : an act of adultery - ----- This of course creates the necessity to define "sexual intercourse." Again, from Merriam-Webster's (online): Main Entry: sexual intercourse Function: noun Date: 1799 1 : heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : COITUS 2 : intercourse involving genital contact between individuals other than penetration of the vagina by the penis - ----- Hope that's helpful. Lori in DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:29:32 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Another Joni cover...maybe <> Sugar Blue was basically a "Playin' real good for free" type of guy that Mick Jagger discovered in Chicago and enlisted to play on their humongo-hit "Miss You". I guess he just sorta faded back into obscurity after that... I'm sure this version of Help Me is NOT Joni's, but of course I hope I'm wrong. Del Shannon (Runaway, Hats Off to Larry, etc.) also wrote a song called Help Me. I noticed it on his website and talked to the Webmaster about it. Bob, always looking for mo' Joni covers... NP: Dusty Springfield, "I Found My Way" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:42:21 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Adultery (NJC) Is this a trick question? Or a poll to see how many think that head counts? (sorry, Mr. Clinton) My nominee for the best song ever written concerning wrestling with the dilemma (or possibly, guilt) is "Sweet Sucker Dance." CC "Beware of the power of moons." -- JM _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:50:53 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: The Tip Top Tull, njc Thanks for the tip, Victor. I have to confess that I never got past that silly cover photo on "Thick as a Brick..." But now I'll look out for it. What do you think of Tull's "Passion Play"? >There's nothing that touches Jethro Tull "Thick as a Brick" in my opinion. >But as soon as I label anything as the "greatest" something else immediately >comes to mind. I can't play this game. For better or for worse, I find that I can play it. And the best part is when it elicits intriguing counter-suggestions, like yours. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: 13 Oct 00 12:09:00 EDT From: Jeff Clark Subject: On Court and Spark and the Sunshine Coast I was reading Cameron Crowe's Joni interview from '79 recently. This is a great read and one of the most revealing interviews I've ever read from her. I was intrigued by this question: (Crowe): Was The Hissing of Summer Lawns more of an L.A. album for you than Court and Spark? (JM): Yes, because Court and Spark still contains a lot of songs written up in Canada. The song "Court and Spark" itself was written up on my land there. It deals with the story based on Vancouver and the Sunshine Coast. This beautiful, enigmatic little song has always been a favorite of mine--but it always seemed to me that it would have been based in LA. (But then isn't Peoples Park in San Francisco (or Berkely?)). Does anyone know what this story of Vacouver and the Sunshine Coast is (or even where the Sunshine Coast is?) Jeff ("Love came to my door...") ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:20:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: pin me down, dean french NJC - --- Robin Mathews wrote: > So now Dean get your first pin out for Spain - you > will not find Alcalali > where I now live ( 21 years of living near Aberdeen > Scotland gave me the > Urge for Going ) > look on the Mediteranian coast half way between > Valencia and Alicante, just > inland about 15 miles and that's where you should > plant you pin. > Robbie, I think you live in heaven! _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:38:26 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch Paul, As Ronald Regan would say, "There you go again!" Joni does not 'pervert' the word clandestine. Anymore than she perverts the word "omelette" in Carey. She's having fun with pronounciation- that's a GOOD thing for a singer-songwriter to do. Unless, it's "Songs she sang to me Songs she brang to me." as someone pointed out recently. (Bob Mueller?) You must cheer up Paul. Cheer up or I'll come over there and kick your ass. :) I sentence you to hang by your thumbs until you cheer up. The punishment will continue until morale improves. :) Somebody stop me. Lamadoo Paul said, " Milk of the Madonna Clandestine >> Personally, while I enjoyed plenty of bottles of liebfraumich in my late teens and 20s, I think this is one of Joni's worst lyrics because she perverts the pronunciation of clandestine, the preferred pronunciation of which has a silent e on the end and the accent on the middle syllable. Pronunciation: klan-'des-t&n Maybe she should have tried to rhyme something with liebfraumilch instead of Rhine wine. Paul I All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:46:45 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Almost Famous (NJC) Mikie wrote: <> I agree. Sal and I saw it Wednesday, and we really enjoyed it tremendously! I kept poking him, saying "That's a Joni album he's holding!!! That's a Joni song they're playing!!" He is getting real good at rolling his eyes back into his head. ;-) For the next several days, every chance I got, I told the kids, "DON'T DO DRUGS!!!" Hmmm...... They must be taking eye lessons from Sal. Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:41:33 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Does anyone know? NJC In a message dated 10/13/00 5:34:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, skrotnissan@hotmail.com writes: << Hi! I see that there`s something called Jonifests.I been getting some information about it on the Joni Mitchell Homepage.But I Wonder if someone can tell me if there has been or will be any of these Jonifests in Europe?? >> Welcome to the list Signe! You would do better at www.jmdl.com for more fest information. I also have to ask about your name! My oldest daughter is named Signe and you are the only other Signe, (besides my grandmother), that I know about!! MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:05:03 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch In a message dated 10/13/00 12:44:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << Joni does not 'pervert' the word clandestine. Anymore than she perverts the word "omelette" in Carey. She's having fun with pronounciation- that's a GOOD thing for a singer-songwriter to do. >> I see a big difference between stretching out a correct pronunciation, as she does with "omelette" -- that IS hacing fun -- and changing a pronunciation entirely to a wrong one just for a bad rhyme. I love her songwriting, but that one just irks me. And no JoniPollyanna is going to change my mind after 30 years. ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:08:09 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: On Court and Spark and the Sunshine Coast Jeff- The Sunshine Coast is North of Vancouver- around the mountains and up the coast. One can only get there by ferry. Lots of summer and weekend homes, some small towns- really quite beautiful. Ms. Mitchell has owned a home there for many years- the cover and liner photos from the LP For the Roses, are shot there.. As for the Vancouver story- no idea!!! Regards, Stephen in Vancouver Jeff Clark on 10/13/1900 09:09:00 AM Please respond to Jeff Clark To: joni@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: On Court and Spark and the Sunshine Coast I was reading Cameron Crowe's Joni interview from '79 recently. This is a great read and one of the most revealing interviews I've ever read from her. I was intrigued by this question: (Crowe): Was The Hissing of Summer Lawns more of an L.A. album for you than Court and Spark? (JM): Yes, because Court and Spark still contains a lot of songs written up in Canada. The song "Court and Spark" itself was written up on my land there. It deals with the story based on Vancouver and the Sunshine Coast. This beautiful, enigmatic little song has always been a favorite of mine--but it always seemed to me that it would have been based in LA. (But then isn't Peoples Park in San Francisco (or Berkely?)). Does anyone know what this story of Vacouver and the Sunshine Coast is (or even where the Sunshine Coast is?) Jeff ("Love came to my door...") ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: montreal njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > are you bilingual cath? what is it like in montreal? > i've never been there > but i hear that the town is pretty much split in > two: one block is french > speaking and the next is anglo. is that true? > wallyk > I am bilingual, but that has little to do with my being born in Montreal. There are definite English and French sections of Montreal and never the twain shall meet - which is unfortunate. My parents were both of anglo backgrounds (Irish on my mother's side, Scottish-English on my Dad's). Most of my mother's family never bothered to learn French and it was rare to find any anglo (at that time) who could be bothered. For the most part, they thought they were better than the French; the French were the conquered race (at the time) and while most of them could speak English, you wouldn't find a lot of anglos bothering to learn French. This has changed in recent years, with the rise of quebecois nationalism, various referenda and so on. There are very few members of my family left in Montreal. My Dad took a job in Ontario when I was only 2 or 3 years old, which is when we moved to Pembroke; then ten years later, he was transferred to the Toronto area and that's when we moved to what is now called Mississauga (just west of Toronto). The reason I became bilingual is that I just happened to be good at learning languages, so I started studying them in high school and kept at it in university. I spent my third year of university in Quebec City, which is more French than Montreal, studying in French at Laval University. I still enjoy French and unfortunately don't get much opportunity to use it here in Toronto (although you hear more of it here now than you ever used to) and have used it in all the jobs I've ever had - being bilingual in a place like Toronto is a pretty good way to get a job. I would be seriously tempted to go back to Montreal (not that I remember living there - but I do love that city!) if there were any hope of getting a job, but the pickings down there are pretty slim these days. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:08:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: clandestine njc I've heard it pronounced either way. or is that eether way? - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > i have always wondered if canadians pronounce > clandestine clan-DES-tine, > rhyming with man-BEST-wine, instead of the more > usual way paul i has > mentioned. > wallyk, always the phonetics buff > > >> > she perverts the pronunciation of clandestine, the > preferred pronunciation > of > which has a silent e on the end and the accent on > the middle syllable. > Pronunciation: klan-'des-t&n > Maybe she should have tried to rhyme something with > liebfraumilch instead of > Rhine wine. > > Paul I > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:11:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: rhymes for Liebfraumilch njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > ''seventeen glasses > Liebfraumilch > shit! i forgot > to buy my dog a new leash'' > Keep going, Wally, you're not there yet! (My Dad used to call it Leap Frog Milk! This is the same family that calls strawberries "strangleberries" and orange juice "orang-outan juice". _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:13:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Adultery (NJC) - --- "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > Vanessa wonders: > > > What is considered adultery? > > From Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary > (online): > > Main Entry: adul·tery > Pronunciation: &-'d&l-t(&-)rE > Function: noun > Inflected Form(s): plural -ter·ies > Etymology: Middle English, alteration of avoutrie, > from Middle French, from Latin adulterium, from > adulter adulterer, back-formation from adulterare > Date: 15th century > > : voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man > and someone other than his wife or between a married > woman and someone other than her husband; also : an > act of adultery > > ----- > > This of course creates the necessity to define > "sexual > intercourse." Again, from Merriam-Webster's > (online): > > Main Entry: sexual intercourse > Function: noun > Date: 1799 > > 1 : heterosexual intercourse involving penetration > of > the vagina by the penis : COITUS > > 2 : intercourse involving genital contact between > individuals other than penetration of the vagina by > the penis > > ----- > > Hope that's helpful. > > Lori > in DC If you want the definitive version, you may wish to check with Bill Clinton! _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:15:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Does anyone know? NJC - --- MGVal@aol.com wrote: > > Welcome to the list Signe! > > You would do better at www.jmdl.com for more fest > information. > > I also have to ask about your name! My oldest > daughter is named Signe and you > are the only other Signe, (besides my grandmother), > that I know about!! > .. which reminds me, is Eric Clapton's "Signe" named for a person? I read somewhere it was his boat - just wondering. I love the sound of that name - is it Swedish? Sounds Nordic in any case! _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:44:24 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni Poster @ Mendel That ever so informative Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: I am happy to report I zipped right over to that site and purchased a lovely poster. We're constructing a new room in our house and I'll need *something* on the walls ... Thank you, Jim! Lindsay P.S. Jim, Rick was kind enough to score a catalog for me when he went to the opening. You can't go wrong. Joni's beautiful artwork, several writings by Joni, very nice quality paper. I'd highly recommend it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:47:44 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Signe? NJC The original female lead vocalist of the Jefferson Airplane was named Signe. I believe. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:57:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Adultery (NJC) Catherine wrote: > If you want the definitive version, you may wish to > check with Bill Clinton! I considered walking the four blocks to his house during lunch today to ask him ... but in my head I kept hearing my dear president (and I do adore the man, if not his concept of truth) saying, "I did not have sex with that woman!" so I figured I already knew what he would tell me. I used to be stationed with a woman who hails from Georgia, and (in 1984, anyway) she defined "making love" to be ONLY when she and her husband had the type of intercourse that might beget offspring. (I'm trying so hard to avoid being crude.) Other "pleasures" didn't count as "making love." And in her mind, if you weren't "making love" with someone else, you weren't committing adultery. Is this a perspective unique to the Southern states? Lori, wondering in DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:52:33 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: clandestine njc Wally-either or eether-niether or neether! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:56:40 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: rhymes for Liebfraumilch njc > > > > > Keep going, Wally, you're not there yet! (My Dad used > to call it Leap Frog Milk! This is the same family > that calls strawberries "strangleberries" and orange > juice "orang-outan juice". For some reason I can't fathom, Nana Mouskouri(sp?) was known as Banana Muscovy Duck in our house when I was a child. And there was a popular song, the title of which is Italian or Spanish that we called 'one ton of melons'. I am sure you know which one I mean. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:01:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Adultery (NJC) > Other > "pleasures" didn't count as "making love." And in her > mind, if you weren't "making love" with someone else, > you weren't committing adultery. > > Is this a perspective unique to the Southern states? I don't think so. I think of making love has having sex, emotionally, with someone you love. the other stuff is just sex. The 'zipless fuck' as Erica Jong called it. > > > Lori, > wondering in DC > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:36:59 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Sweet Joni I was just listening to a recording of the song Sweet Joni by Neil Young (as Bette once said, "oh Neil he's so deep!" but I digress) for the first time. It is on a boot compilation of stuff and the recording is in the Civic Auditorium in Bakersfiels, California 3-20-73. Does anyone know when this song was written? I find it to be preety unremarkable both lyrically and musically and thought that maybe the song was very young and possibly incomplete at the time. Michael NP-Tonights the Night-Neil Live at Queens College, NY 11-15-73 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:27:23 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: To be a pin on a map (NJC) Finally felt brave enough to join in on this one: (A bit late I suppose but here goes) 1963 Born Portsmouth England 1964 Moved to Rugby England with family 1966 Moved to Leeds England with family 1971 Moved to Hobart, Tasmania with family 1979 Moved to Launceston, Tasmania with family 1981 Moved back to Hobart to go to University 1987 Moved to Penguin Tasmania for work 1997 Spent a couple of months in Launceston following horredous accident in rally car where I partially severed my right hand at the wrist. Found out all about internal fixation, external fixation, reconstructive surgery, skin grafts etc etc 1997 Moved to Hawley Beach. Been there ever since :) Alan Lorimer www.hawleybeach.com Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:01:53 -0400 From: BarBearUh Subject: re: pin me up NJC MG writes" >kate@katebennett.com writes: << However, I would like to visit the spot on the Jersey shore where I used to spend my summers (Bay Head). Rose promised me some manicotti if I do. >> > Ohh! Count me in and I'll bring the Taylor's Ham if we can get a group going. > My childhood summers were spent at the Jersey shore and it's what I remember > the best. i used to visit my grandfather in belmar all the time, borrow another relative's beach badge to hit the boardwalk. spent lots of time in pt pleasant and asbury park... barbara np: emmylou, red dirt girl ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 00 01:13:47 MET DST From: Lori Reason Subject: Re: [Re: I went looking for a cause...] This IS good - is anyone collecting these? Les? Here's a special one. She and about 20 other local artists contributed a surf board to a semi-private fund raiser for the Big Green initiative in So. Calif. (1990-1?). Most of them had painted colors of the ocean, beaches, trees, etc. Hers was ugly - she smeared tar and glued litter that she picked up off the beach in Santa Monica/Venice. She even glued on a condom! At first I was disappointed, then started laughing. She has *got* to make a statement. All of them were for sale. I always wondered if anyone bought hers. (Kakki, I guess I'll have to join you sitting in the corner for telling this 'terribly' true story.) In the WONDERFUL book 'Stand and Be Counted' (right on David) he says on Dec. 6, 1975 she and the Rolling Thunder Revue played in the New Jersey Correctional Institute for Women. It was a concert for Rubin "Hurricane" Carter who along with other male inmates were brought to this women's prison (just for the concert). She sang on Tears are not Enough - the Canadian version of Band Aids "Do They Know It's Christmas/Feed the World" Jan. 19, 1995 - Commitment to Life VIII (AIDS benefit) Universal Ampitheatre. David says "Sex was still the topic when Joni Mitchell walked out, armed only with an acoustic guitar - which is all she ever needs. Joni's genius for telling the tale is evident in every song she's ever written. I've said it many times - a hundred years from now, people will look back and say, Who was the greatest singer-songwriter of this time? And in my ever so *unhumble* opinion, it'll be Joni." 1990 - The Berlin Wall Does anyone remember a benefit concert in Long Beach (1982-83) she did with the Eagles? I don't remember seeing Joni on TV but I do remember Judy Collins (oh, not her again!) on Merv Griffin. He was a huge fan, and announced her saying something like, Here is a woman with a voice like silver. It was her song My Father (and eating apples and cheese - oh I guess I am a hippie chick!) that made me fall in love with wanting to go to France. How can you resist this: My Father always promised us that we would live in France We'd go boating on the Seine and I would learn to dance We lived in Ohio then, he worked in the mines On his dreams like boats for you we'd sail, in time.... Soon my sisters all were gone to Denver and Cheyenne Marrying their grownup dreams, the lilacs and the man I stayed behind the youngest still, only danced alone The colors of my fathers dreams faded without a sigh And I live in Paris now, my children dance and sing Hearing the words of a miners life in words they've never seen (?) I sail my memories of home like boats across the Seine And watch the Paris sun set in my fathers eyes, again. lori in france ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:26:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: guantanamera njc colin!!!! i'm splitting!!! do you mean guantanamera????? i think it's a cuban song. michael must know. wallyk >>>>>> And there was a popular song, the title of which is Italian or Spanish that we called 'one ton of melons'. I am sure you know which one I mean. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:32:43 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Adultery (NJC) In a message dated 10/13/00 4:11:53 PM EST, lrfye@yahoo.com writes: << Other "pleasures" didn't count as "making love." And in her mind, if you weren't "making love" with someone else, you weren't committing adultery. Is this a perspective unique to the Southern states? >> well, i live in a southern state, but i don't think i can speak for southerners. nonetheless, i think i like this lady's perspective. did you ask her about fiber optics...you know...if they count? patrick np. cartoons ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:40:43 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: guantanamera njc Wally burger (my sweetie) writes: << colin!!!! i'm splitting!!! do you mean guantanamera????? i think it's a cuban song. michael must know. >> I think it's a Mexican song (Ed's not around to confirm), and we always sang: One ton of tomatoes, I need a one ton of tomatoes. Jimmy, enjoying Friday 13th and a full moon which has happened only five times since 1950! HOWL!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:41:26 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch Paul wrote: > Personally, while I enjoyed plenty of bottles of liebfraumich in my late > teens and 20s, I think this is one of Joni's worst lyrics because she > perverts the pronunciation of clandestine, the preferred pronunciation of > which has a silent e on the end and the accent on the middle syllable. > Pronunciation: klan-'des-t&n > Maybe she should have tried to rhyme something with liebfraumilch instead of > Rhine wine. The pronounciation of clandestine depends entirely on where you are from. In New Zealand, your pronounciation of the word would be considered incorrect, and Joni's correct, ie. klan-des-tine, with the pronounciation on the first syllable, not the second. I'm assuming as a Canadian, she follows more "English" pronounciations, as do Kiwis and Australians. It doesn't make one or the other wrong or right, just different. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:46:43 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: rhymes for Liebfraumilch njc Colin wrote: > For some reason I can't fathom, Nana Mouskouri(sp?) was known as Banana Muscovy Duck in > our house when I was a child. > And there was a popular song, the title of which is Italian or Spanish that we called 'one > ton of melons'. I am sure you know which one I mean. This brought back some memories! I used to call Nana Mouskouri, Banana Mouse when I was little, and my brother apparently called caravans, carrot-bans. Then there's hostipal, which most of us did. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:06:29 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: rhymes for Liebfraumilch njc Hell wrote: Then there's hostipal, which most of us did. For some reason, I could not call shoulders shoulders-I said soldeirs. The Laughing Policeman Song made me cry. I hated it. I found it scary. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:52:54 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: The Tip Top Prize njc wallyk wrote: > i devoted twenty years to the exclusive study of joni mitchell. when i think > about dylan, i feel like an 80-year-old engineer who is told all of a sudden > that he needs to get a degree in medicine too. call it narrow-mindedness, > but with joni, wagner, strauss, rickie, and the rest of the artists that > wrote and/or performed the music on my more than three thousand cd's i have > quite enough yet to discover and study. i believe that on the verge of my > forties, i'm already too late to change majors. I sometimes think that too, but then I get an album or two of a "new" artist, really like them, and then just can't help myself! I thought that way about The Indigo Girls and Melissa Etheridge for a long time, mainly because I wanted to avoid the stereotypes, ie. gay people must own/love "gay" music. Then I heard an Indigo Girls song (Power of Two) on the Boys On The Side soundtrack (which I bought for Bonnie Raitt and Stevie Nicks) and loved it so much I had to go buy the album. And now I've got almost all of them, and almost all of Melissa Etheridge's! Mind you, the thought of starting with Dylan is fairly daunting, considering how many albums there are, so maybe you've got a point! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:59:30 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: guantanamera njc In a message dated 10/13/00 7:33:22 PM, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << colin!!!! i'm splitting!!! do you mean guantanamera????? i think it's a cuban song. >> Yes, it is a Cuban song that was a hit in the US in the late '60s. I once worked with someone who used to sing it the way he heard it as a child, "Some kinda fella, for he be some kinda fella..." But thanks to Colin, I think I'll be singing "One ton of melons" from now on. 'Scuse me while I kiss this guy, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:05:47 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: guantanamera njc There was a hilarious parody involving, I believe, Patrick Swayze and "Guantanamera" on Saturday Night Live several years ago. It was two competitive night club acts, one of whom sang about the other: He stuffs his trousers I know for sure that he stuffs his trousers Wears a plastic penis A little birdy told me this Or something to that effect... - --Michael NP: Stooges, first track from _Fun House_ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sometimes I contemplate moving to a warmer place But then the lake and skyline give me a warm embrace." - --Common, "Reminding Me (Of Sef)" On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/13/00 7:33:22 PM, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: > > << colin!!!! i'm splitting!!! do you mean guantanamera????? i think it's a > > cuban song. >> > > Yes, it is a Cuban song that was a hit in the US in the late '60s. > > I once worked with someone who used to sing it the way he heard it as a > child, "Some kinda fella, for he be some kinda fella..." But thanks to Colin, > I think I'll be singing "One ton of melons" from now on. > > 'Scuse me while I kiss this guy, > > --Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:04:29 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: guantanamera njc The correct lyrics: GUANTANAMERA Original music by Jose Fernandez Diaz Music adaptation by Pete Seeger & Julian Orbon Lyric adaptation by Julian Orbon, based on a poem by Jose Marti Yo soy un hombre sincero De donde crecen las palmas Yo soy un hombre sincero De donde crecen las palmas Y antes de morirme quiero Echar mis versos del alma Chorus: Guantanamera Guajira Guantanamera Guantanamera Guajira Guantanamera Mi verso es de un verde claro Y de un carmin encendido Mi verso es de un verde claro Y de un carmin encendido Mi verso es un ciervo herido Que busca en el monte amparo Chorus I am a truthful man from this land of palm trees Before dying I want to share these poems of my soul My verses are light green But they are also flaming red (the next verse says,) I cultivate a rose in June and in January For the sincere friend who gives me his hand And for the cruel one who would tear out this heart with which I live I do not cultivate thistles nor nettles I cultivate a white rose Cultivo la rosa blanca En junio como en enero Qultivo la rosa blanca En junio como en enero Para el amigo sincero Que me da su mano franca Chorus Y para el cruel que me arranca El corazon con que vivo Y para el cruel que me arranca El corazon con que vivo Cardo ni ortiga cultivo Cultivo la rosa blanca Chorus Con los pobres de la tierra Quiero yo mi suerte echar Con los pobres de la tierra Quiero yo mi suerte echar El arroyo de la sierra Me complace mas que el mar Chorus ©1963,1965 (Renewed) Fall River Music, Inc (BMI) All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:11:31 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: guantanamera njc which guy are you talking about, murphy??????? wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Viernes, 13 de Octubre de 2000 09:00 p.m. Para: wallykai@interserver.com.ar; colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: guantanamera njc In a message dated 10/13/00 7:33:22 PM, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << colin!!!! i'm splitting!!! do you mean guantanamera????? i think it's a cuban song. >> Yes, it is a Cuban song that was a hit in the US in the late '60s. I once worked with someone who used to sing it the way he heard it as a child, "Some kinda fella, for he be some kinda fella..." But thanks to Colin, I think I'll be singing "One ton of melons" from now on. 'Scuse me while I kiss this guy, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:23:13 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: guantanamera njc Hello, Wally: It's the title of a book about misheard lyrics. Apparently many people thought Jimi Hendricks said, "'Scuse me while I kiss this guy" instead of "'Scuse me while I kiss the sky." --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:19:31 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: [Re: I went looking for a cause...] Lori in France wrote: > This IS good - is anyone collecting these? Les? I second that emotion! It seems there is quite a list worth noting. > Hers was ugly - she smeared tar and glued litter that she >picked up off the beach in Santa Monica/Venice. She even >glued on a condom! At first I was disappointed, then started >laughing. She has *got* to make a statement. All of them >were for sale. I always wondered if anyone bought hers. That's hilarious and so apropos! Lori, you and I are probably the few around here old enough to remember when it was safe to swim and surf in the Santa Monica Bay ;-D I wonder if she's contributed to Heal The Bay, too. > In the WONDERFUL book 'Stand and Be Counted' (right on >David) he says on Dec. 6, 1975 she and the Rolling Thunder >Revue played in the New Jersey Correctional Institute for >Women. It was a concert for Rubin "Hurricane" Carter who >along with other male inmates were brought to this women's >prison (just for the concert). I'll back you up and put in anouther plug for Croz's book. It is a wonderful read and very impressive. By the way, Lori, I was just thinking about you today while goofing off at work researching my Alsace roots on the internet ;-) Kakki NP: Lisa Johnson - Whenever the Moon is Full ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #544 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?