From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #539 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 11 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 539 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Oxymoron: NOT!!! (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Born & Raised (NJC) [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] Re: Oxymoron: NOT!!! (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] pin me down, dean french NJC ["Robin Mathews" ] Re: Lonnie and Dom Songs??? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC RLJ's new cd [TheBleach Boi ] Aloha NJC [TheBleach Boi ] Re: NJC RLJ's new cd ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Pins (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] The Gallery [Steve Dulson ] Re: NJC RLJ's new cd [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] pin me up ["Stephen Epstein" ] Fwd: Joni on Farm Aid CD [Susan McNamara ] Re: NJC RLJ's new cd [TheBleach Boi ] Pin me toooo! (NJC) [Loren Carter ] Blue ["c Karma" ] Farm Aid track list ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: Beatles Forever!!!! NJC [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Lonnie and Dom Songs??? [Mark Domyancich ] Re: foreign films NJC [BarBearUh ] Oh what a tangled web.... NJC [Jerry Notaro ] err...i mean the magdalene laundries....never do 2 things at once [HanknB] The Magdalene Diaries [HanknBG@aol.com] Re: Oxymoron: NOT!!! (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Oxymoron: NOT!!! (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Blue [MGVal@aol.com] Re: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill NJC [Ricw1217@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #538 [BMGKotler@aol.com] Re: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill NJC [Heather ] RE: NJC RLJ's new cd ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #538 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] NJC - Re: Picnic at Hanging Rock [Nancy ] Blue [Leslie Mixon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:25:31 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Oxymoron: NOT!!! (NJC) The "other" Mary wrote this, (along with another fab post on "The Gallery"): << I don't think that a "very liberal Catholic high school" is an oxymoron at all! In fact, it describes mine perfectly. And the sisters who ran that school, which closed several years after my class graduated, are still some of the strongest women I've ever known. They've been willing to take personal risks for living their convictions, especially about social justice in American society. >> It also describes the attitude of the Bedford PA order of the Sacred Heart of Jesus nuns. My great aunts were ordained into that group, with one of them going on to become the Mother Superior. At the height of Mother Beata's career, (which must have been in 1940-1960), she was absolutely intolerant of nuns who fit in that stereotypic vein of ruler wielding, knuckle smashing, forceful approach to making you learn or killing you trying that gave Catholic schools such a bad name. Even in her retirement, (as well with all of the nuns at the nun retirement villa), she was forward thinking and embraced the true meaning of God. (which in my opinion, (thanks pat), is one of redemption). At a time when I was falling out of the church because priests in the confessional were so negative about my situation, (unwed and pregnant), Mother Beata was a staunch supporter for me to find my way without hair clothes or condemning. Mother Beata and the other sisters of the SHJ were one reason why a favorite childhood game was "playing nun," and why, to this day, I harbor a "hmm...maybe someday" day dream of joining an order with vows of service. I loved the way that Mary described it as "Catholic Compassionate." I have big issues with the flip side of "Catholic Intolerance," but the it's the compassionate, social justice facet that keeps me describing myself as Catholic even though I'm one of those who have fallen by the wayside. Once again, a really nice post. MG np: Taylor's Ham sizzling in the kitchen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:25:18 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Born & Raised (NJC) > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:35:09 +1300 > From: "Hell" > Subject: Re: pin me down, dean french njc > > No time for much (off to the gym, shock, horror) but I was born and raised > in Whangarei, New Zealand, now residing in Auckland, NZ. > > Hell (aka Helen) Ahh... I chose to starve myself for the svelte, sexy look! Mmm... rice crackers! Born Melbourne Australia and just happen to 'still' be living in melbourne Australia. If you want the precise suburb it's Ferntree Gully. How far away am I from you Gerald? I am useless with distances... Ness ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:28:23 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Oxymoron: NOT!!! (NJC) In a message dated 10/10/00 7:43:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: << loved the way that Mary described it as "Catholic Compassionate." I have big issues with the flip side of "Catholic Intolerance," but the it's the compassionate, social justice facet that keeps me describing myself as Catholic even though I'm one of those who have fallen by the wayside. Once again, a really nice post. MG np: Taylor's Ham sizzling in the kitchen watch it, you're gonna get a tummy ache! >> Thought of this one, MG Sisters of Mercy Oh the sisters of mercy, they are not departed or gone. They were waiting for me when I thought that I just can't go on. And they brought me their comfort and later they brought me this song. Oh I hope you run into them, you who've been traveling so long. Yes you who must leave everything that you cannot control. It begins with your family, but soon it comes around to your soul. Well I've been where you're hanging, I think I can see how you're pinned: When you're not feeling holy, your loneliness says that you've sinned. Well they lay down beside me, I made my confession to them. They touched both my eyes and I touched the dew on their hem. If your life is a leaf that the seasons tear off and condemn they will bind you with love that is graceful and green as a stem. When I left they were sleeping, I hope you run into them soon. Don't turn on the lights, you can read their address by the moon. And you won't make me jealous if I hear that they sweetened your night: We weren't lovers like that and besides it would still be all right, We weren't lovers like that and besides it would still be all right. Leonard Cohen Catholic School girl here RJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:56:20 +0200 From: "Robin Mathews" Subject: pin me down, dean french NJC Lets here it for Bolton, Lancashire, England - where I also grew up and left in 1970 must have been something in the rain for two JMlisters to have come from there ! ( It rains alot in Bolton if you hadn't guessed) So now Dean get your first pin out for Spain - you will not find Alcalali where I now live ( 21 years of living near Aberdeen Scotland gave me the Urge for Going ) look on the Mediteranian coast half way between Valencia and Alicante, just inland about 15 miles and that's where you should plant you pin. Great project !! Robbie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:50:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Lonnie and Dom Songs??? <> Julian, The "Lonnie & Dom" is in reality the PBS-TV show, 11/30/69. This was an early tape tree. "Posall & Mosalm" is the common 'bootleg' name given to the WMMR tapes, also an early Tape Tree (#2 I believe) I'm sure you already have it all, sad to say... This material IS available on tape or CD for any JMDLer's who are interested...let me know if any of you newbies (or oldbies) are... I'm always on the prowl like you for those early unreleased tunes. The only other one I know of in circulation is "Day After Day", her first recorded acetate I think. Hoping to get my ears on it someday, but I have to rely on the kindness of strangers just like Blanche Dubois! :~) Congrats on the new addition to your family! I'm sure you're looking forward to the day when you can close the door and declare "Lucy, I'm home" :~D Bob NP: Michelle Shocked, "On The Greener Side" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:35:12 -0500 From: TheBleach Boi Subject: NJC RLJ's new cd I agree with whomever posted it that Rickie Lee Jones' cd, It's like this, is brilliant. She takes chances on this cd, and it works. Her official web page is http://www.rickieleejones.com Take care, James Phillips "the Bleach Boi" "That's why I believe I've finally made it home I believe that with me there's nothing wrong." written by Nona Hendryx "I Believe I've finally made it home" ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:33:38 -0500 From: TheBleach Boi Subject: Aloha NJC Well, I've been following the list the last few weeks, but have unfortunately been sick the last week:-( Oh, and I'm teaching myself bass to play in a band, so anyways, that's where I've been. I live in the city of Champaign Illinois, home of the University of Illinois. I've lived in and around this area for most of my life except for a 2 year detour in a small little town an hour or so north of hear. Peace, James Phillips "the Bleach Boi" "That's why I believe I've finally made it home I believe that with me there's nothing wrong." written by Nona Hendryx "I Believe I've finally made it home" ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:46:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: NJC RLJ's new cd OK. Now you all need to go out and get Pop Pop, one of Les and my favorites. Jerry On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, TheBleach Boi wrote: > I agree with whomever posted it that Rickie Lee Jones' cd, It's like > this, is brilliant. She takes chances on this cd, and it works. Her > official web page is http://www.rickieleejones.com > > Take care, > > James Phillips "the Bleach Boi" > > "That's why I believe I've finally made it home > I believe that with me there's nothing wrong." > written by Nona Hendryx "I Believe I've finally made it home" > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:49:46 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill Hi Dean! Welcome to the list. I'll play-- Born and raised in Whiteville, NC (small town in the Southeastern part of NC--between Fayetteville and Wilmington). If you can't locate it, don't worry--you're not missing anything. Moved to NYC in 1979 and "I'm Still Here" (but would love to eventually move to LA) Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:52:51 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Blue OK, OK, until we hear from Siquomb herself, I know that we won't know any of this stuff for sure, but... Kate said: >>Steve said >>David Blue, AKA David Cohen.<< >me: that would make sense given his name but not who I am thinking of... She was dating David Blue at the time she was working on the album, which was going to be called River until she came up with the song Blue. There are clippings to document both those facts. >a clue---the line Woman of Heart & Mind- "You come to me like a little boy & >I give you my scorn & my praise. You think I'm like your Mother..." I always thought that was about Mr. Browne... Best, - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:56:55 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Pins (NJC) Cassy wrote: >I live in Dearborn Heights, Michigan (It's a suburb of Detroit) but I was >born in Bolton, Lancashire, England and emigrated to the USA in 1969, where >I discovered Joni for the first time. Eeeee, lass, art a Lanky? I'm from just down the road in Stockport, Cheshire, now living in sunny Costa Mesa, California. - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:58:32 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: The Gallery Mary wrote: > I always had the sense that it was about Leonard Cohen. I agree with Mary on this. He painted portraits with his words - "Suzanne" anyone? - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:08:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC RLJ's new cd <> It's a goodie, not as good as "It's Like This" very different I think, but still good. Quick trivia question: What word is misspelled on the cover of Pop Pop? Bob NP: Fred Simon, "Blackbird" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:21:47 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: pin me up Hi Dean, Welcome back to the list Born and raised in Burlington, Ontario, Canada (between Toronto and Hamilton) have lived in Vancouver BC for 11 years. Best regards, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:16:57 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: Joni on Farm Aid CD Have all of you read about the infamous FARM AID performance? I would LOVE to hear it again: http://www.jonimitchell.com/FarmAid85.html She played the 3 great stimulants and Dog Eat Dog and the audience responded like animals!! The SIQUOMB was pissed! I think it improved the performance!! Let us know if they had the balls to actually put those songs on the CD!! I think that would be great!! Sue > Kids-(OK and Sluts too!!!) > Was just reading the new Rolling Stone during lunch and see that Joni is >on the first Farm Aid Double CD. Don't know if this is new news to anyone, >but me, so I thought I would pass it along anyway. Lots of other good >artists listed on this cd like: DMN, Lou Reed, Don Henley, Johnny Cash, >Elton John, Steve Earle, etc. Sounds like a sluts wet dream and if not at >leat its a very worthy cause for helping out our nations farmers. > >Peace > >Michael (out the door on the way to Tower) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:42:23 -0500 From: TheBleach Boi Subject: Re: NJC RLJ's new cd I own all of Rickie's cds. I bought Pop Pop the week it was released as a matter of fact. James Phillips "the Bleach Boi" "That's why I believe I've finally made it home I believe that with me there's nothing wrong." written by Nona Hendryx "I Believe I've finally made it home" On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:46:40 -0400 (EDT) "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" writes: > OK. Now you all need to go out and get Pop Pop, one of Les and my > favorites. > > Jerry > > On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, TheBleach Boi wrote: > > > I agree with whomever posted it that Rickie Lee Jones' cd, It's > like > > this, is brilliant. She takes chances on this cd, and it works. > Her > > official web page is http://www.rickieleejones.com > > > > Take care, > > > > James Phillips "the Bleach Boi" > > > > "That's why I believe I've finally made it home > > I believe that with me there's nothing wrong." > > written by Nona Hendryx "I Believe I've finally made it home" > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 00 11:27:30 EDT From: Loren Carter Subject: Pin me toooo! (NJC) All, In case there's an interest...I was born in a small California town named Atwater, Merced County. I'm not sure where it is, but there should be an US Air Force base close by (or used to be one there), since my dad was in the service. Sorry, I was young at the time, so I don't remember anything about the place. If any of the California folks can offer any information about Atwater, I'd love to hear about the town. Currently, I'm growing roots in Laurel, Maryland. Slightly North and East of Washington, DC, but still a suburb of DC (as is everything else from Baltimore, MD to Richmond, VA.) So, there's info for the pin. I'd be curious to get a look at the map after the placement of the pins. Jeez, we must be everywhere on the planet. Loren..... NP....11:30 traffic reports on the radio and Land-O-Lakes cheese commercials ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:29:59 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: Blue My conflicted understanding is that "Blue" was written about Graham Nash, because of reading somewhere that "Blue" was Nash's nickname and the line, "You know I've been to sea before, crown and anchor me or let me sail away" was Joni's ultimatum to Nash for marriage. I've never been able to reconcile that interpretation having been given,"we don't need no piece of paper from the city hall keeping us tied and true" just three tracks previously. There's a tragic vein (no pun intended) that begins around here concerning heroin addiction, "songs are like tatoos","underneath the skin an empty space to fill in", "acid booze and ass, needles guns and grass", and later more overtly as "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire." I don't know if Nash, like Taylor had this demon to contend with and I don't know much about David Blue, but this may turn out to be a continuing mystery. And I'm okay with that. CC "Sometimes the light can be so hard to find." -- JM _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:06:34 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Farm Aid track list Here's the song list for the Farm Aid 2 disc set that was released last month...no Joni. Is there another one? Reuben Rain On The Scarecrow - John Mellencamp City Of New Orleans - Highwaymen Homegrown - Neil Young/Crazy Horse Crash Into Me - Dave Matthews Band Love Letter - Bonnie Raitt Yellow Moon - Neville Brothers Copperhead Road - Steve Earl & The Dukes Wrong Side Of Memphis - Trisha Yearwood God Only Knows - Beach Boys Safe In The Arms Of Love - Martina McBride Run To You - Bryan Adams Paper In Fire - John Mellencamp Last Of His Kind (The Farm Aid Song) - Neil Young Disc2 Peach Picking Time Down In Georgia - Beck/Willie Nelson Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash It Hurt So Bad - Susan Tedeschi Just Like You - Keb' Mo' Guitars, Cadillacs - Dwight Yoakam We Danced Anyway - Deana Carter I've Always Been Crazy - Highwaymen One Time One Night - Los Lobos Best Of All Possible Worlds - Highwaymen Now That's Country - Marty Stuart Sitting In Limbo - Willie Nelson & Family Mother Earth - Neil Young ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:15:27 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Beatles Forever!!!! NJC Michael, They performed Lonk Black Veil at least two times that I can remember. The first time was the Johnny Cash Tribute Show on TNT about April last year, and again on Austin City Limits as apart of their Singer and Songwriters show. A really nice version. I didn't care much for Johnny Cash until I heard them play his cover. The rest of the Austin City Limits show had Dave playing Digging a Ditch and Bartender. I didn't record it very well so hopefully they'll show it again. At 11:28 PM -0700 10/9/00, Michael Paz wrote: >I did manage to download a very cool tune (Long Black Veil) performed by Dave >Matthews and Emmy Lou Harris. Does anyone know the source of this recording >and is it available commercially? - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:17:27 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Lonnie and Dom Songs??? There is a studio version of Carnival in Kenora also circulating although I haven't heard it. I don't know if the person who has it is still on the list... maybe I can hunt him down. At 9:50 AM -0400 10/10/00, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >I'm always on the prowl like you for those early unreleased tunes. >The only other one I know of in circulation is "Day After Day", her >first recorded acetate I think. Hoping to get my ears on it someday, >but I have to rely on the kindness of strangers just like Blanche >Dubois! :~) - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:55:01 -0400 From: BarBearUh Subject: Re: foreign films NJC just when you thought i had run out of wind.... i completely forgot about a canadian movie that i really love and is very worth seeing - Strangers in Good Company. it's a character driven film from the late 80s about a group of mostly elderly women (about 10 of them?) who get stranded at an abandoned house in the middle of the countryside when their bus breaks down. they have to improvise to find food to survive. as they spend a few days together, they open up and you get to hear about each of their lives. great great great. barbara np: andy stochansky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:26:01 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Oh what a tangled web.... NJC To further complicate last weeks thread: Is Melissa Ellen's new love? Six weeks after Ellen DeGeneres's much-publicised split from actress Anne Heche, the outspoken former sitcom star has found another girlfriend, according to her mother Betty. She is rumoured to be seeing her old friend Melissa Etheridge, a lesbian rock singer. Betty would not confirm Etheridge's new place in her daughter's life but admitted she was no longer single. She said of Ellen's new friend: "She's a very nice girl. They are taking it very slow." The two women had an on-off relationship before DeGeneres starting seeing Heche and they have been friends for several years. The split between DeGeneres and Heche came after a high-profile relationship that had a detrimental effect on Heche's Hollywood career. Last week, Etheridge announced her split from Julie Cypher. Earlier this year, the couple revealed that David Crosby, of pop group Crosby, Stills and Nash, had fathered their two children. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:49:36 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Oxymoron: NOT!!! (NJC) In a message dated 10/9/00 10:45:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PitassiM@WEAC.org writes: << it's also the church of Dorothy Day and Thomas Merton, and Daniel and Philip Berrigan, and St. Francis of Assisi. The Catholic liberal traditional, which I might prefer to call the Catholic compassionate tradition, is rich and deep and still alive, even as it is reflected in a fair number of papal encyclicals, and thus, official church teaching. >> And don't forget Henri Nouwen who was a priest and a gay man and a very prolific and well admired spiritual writer in the church between 1970 and 1996. And you are right, overall, catholic nuns are a very liberal bunch of thinkers. And catholics outside the Roman tradidion tend to be very liberal. I have come to associate it with a sacramental view of life. If you can see things like bread and wine having a sacremental value, you tend to be able to see compassion as well. The two go together very nicely. patrick np. j. brooke-always ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:22:42 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Attention New Yorkers: I'm IN!!!!!!!!! I will definitely be there next Tuesday night for David Lahm's all Joni night at Judy's Chelsea!! The timing works out well, as I will be there anyway to visit NYU with Jesse. Can't wait to see you all! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:32:27 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Pin up (NJC) Aloha, Dean! I'll join that map, too! I've lived in too many states to mention, but have counted myself a Hoosier for 10 years, now. Mark me at Bloomington, Indiana. But for the grace of Bobby Knight and John Mellencamp..... Can't wait to see the completed map! Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:36:45 EDT From: HanknBG@aol.com Subject: err...i mean the magdalene laundries....never do 2 things at once I see something of myself in everyone ~Joni Mitchell "hejira" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:35:57 EDT From: HanknBG@aol.com Subject: The Magdalene Diaries I just bought the Chieftan's Tears of Stone and I was completely blown away by Joni's Magdalene Diaries. I feel as tho I never really listened the song before. So now I keep listening to the original and this version over and over (much to the dismay of my friends who think I've gone off the deep end anyway.) Do any of you know how this song ended up on the Chieftan's CD or just any info about the song? Thanks, Chris I see something of myself in everyone ~Joni Mitchell "hejira" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:38:37 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Oxymoron: NOT!!! (NJC) Pat aka Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > > And catholics outside the Roman tradition tend to be very liberal. > That would be me! As well as our little nonRoman catholic church body and others like us, and the Lutherans and Anglicans and all the other western, catholic Reformation church traditions... and we all have our right wingers too, but something about being not tied to Rome frees one up. As far as the shining lights of Roman Catholics: Hans Kung, John Dominic Crossan, Archbishop Oscar Romero, Dom Helder Camera, and the four martyrs of El Salvador (Jean Donovan, Dorothy Kazel, Ita Ford, Maura Clark) come to mind... and of course John XXIII of blessed memory and who can forget the hope we had for John Paul 1 of such a short reign? And the greatest catholics of them all: Martin Luther and Phillipp Melanchthon, and their successors including Bishop Nathan Soderblom, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and Albert Schweitzer. (the Rev) Vince NP: Eminem's Matthew Mathers album ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:41:43 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Oxymoron: NOT!!! (NJC) If I were smarter I would have said Eminem's MARSHALL Mathers album, but if I were smarter, I wouldn't be me. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:03:19 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill NJC In a message dated 10/10/00 8:05:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, SMEBD@aol.com writes: << Hi Dean! Welcome to the list. I'll play-- >> Ditto to you Dean. And since I know the answers, I'm game to play it too on this slow news day: Born and raised in New Jersey, (home of "the meat that dare not speak its name"), in 1959, with brief stints here and there until I landed in Rochester New York in 1980 where I lived for eleven years. Now I'm out here in the Central Valley of California, Davis to be exact. Reporting live from casa de mortgage, MG np: "oh no! oh no! oh no! It's my son's birthday. Oh. maybe it was yesterday! maybe today! Yikes! Better gift wrap some leftover Taylor's Ham!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:07:45 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue In a message dated 10/10/00 8:38:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ckarma@hotmail.com writes: << You know I've been to sea before, crown and anchor me or let me sail away" was Joni's ultimatum to Nash for marriage. I've never been able to reconcile that interpretation having been given,"we don't need no piece of paper from the city hall keeping us tied and true" just three tracks previously. >> Actually, I seem to recall, (but am totally incapable of recalling where), that it was Graham who wanted a more traditional relationship and Joni who turned him down. And that makes sense to me since the institution of marriage did not help her save her child and plunged her into wounds that produce some of the most poignant songs ever. MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:47:06 EDT From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill NJC can i play too? born and raised in seattle washington. living now in SWAMPSCOTT MASSACHUSETTS, which is on the atlantic ocean, about 20 miles up the beach from BOSTON!!! i haven't exactly been following this idea, so i have modeled my answer on what i read in mg's. i haven't felt so significant in a long time! (and all this praise of rickie lee jones! wallyk calls her a genius! i KNEW i should have kept my former email name!!! then i could have pretended you were all gossiping about me! damn! come on you guys! i'm a genius too!!! no really!) but i will settle for being pinned! bless you all! love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:14:02 EDT From: BMGKotler@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #538 I really enjoyed the guessing game about The Midway. I've listened to it myriad times and never got the Crosby connection. Now, it seems so obvious. A few days ago, someone asked who are the "he and she" in Conversation. Since, that's one of my all time favorites, I'm dying to know the answer. I must have missed that digest. I sometimes think it's "TMI" (too much information) to know or venture an educated guess as to who each song is about. I agree (I think) with the person who said songs are about whatever the listener thinks and feels. But, there's the voyeuristic side of me that reads People magazine and wants to know if there's a hidden story in these songs. So, if anyone knows or can guess, who is the guy that walks under her window and whom she loved 30 years ago in Two Grey Rooms? I have been subscribing to this list for a few months and have made a few brief posts, but here is my "How I Found Joni" story: I know I had Court and Spark in junior high school, because I remember taking French classes and thinking I was so cool that I knew what SHE was talking about when she sang Wander down the Champs Elysses. And then, several years later I was madly in love with a guy who played the guitar in a band. They played a lot of Neil Young, CSN, etc. Their crowd and his sister, in particular, used to say I looked like a brown-haired, brown-eyed Joni Mitchell. So, I was compelled to check her out. I never quite saw the resemblance, but when I listened to the early albums, I found a kindred spirit. Her voice, her words, the chords -- it got to every ounce of me. I felt it in my heart and my mind and my skin and my veins. I had been into music for a while and had some favorites, but nobody drew me in like that. I was in my early 20's, just out of college, in love with a wanderer and trying to find my place in the world. I decided to leave NY and drive to California (hearing that everything's warmer there). My little car, $1,000, my cigarettes and copies of Blue, Ladies of the Canyon, Miles of Aisles, etc. All by my self in a car for days, heading to a place I'd never been and where I knew no one. It sounds corny, but I think those songs and her story gave me the strength to just pack up and go and be free. I was a kid from the suburbs who had been "poisoned with protection." Joni's songs, Joni's story of her life -- they've sustained me through the years. I've been listening to Clouds this week and it's still so relevant and fresh and alive. It doesn't feel nostalgic, as some other music from that time does. I never knew , until I found JoniMitchell.com, that all of you existed. Sometimes I start going on about Joni and once in a while someone would say, "Oh you're one of those Joni Mitchell chicks who knows all the words to all those songs," blah, blah, blah. So, I knew there were others who had been touched as I had, but I didn't know you were all so well organized! I'm glad I found you kindred spirits of the internet. I'm glad I decided to break down and get a computer (fear that my 3-year-old would be left behind). I'm glad that just before I go to bed at night I log on and see what you all have to say. So, that's my story and goodnight for now. Maddie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:45:05 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill NJC At 07:47 PM 10/10/00 -0400, Ricw1217@aol.com wrote: > >i haven't felt so significant in a long time! You are VERY significant !!! >(and all this praise of rickie lee jones! wallyk calls her a genius! i KNEW >i should have kept my former email name!!! then i could have pretended you >were all gossiping about me! damn! come on you guys! i'm a genius too!!! >no really!) We can still gossip about you (if it makes you feel better) ..... AND if you are going to be a genius .... well .... I wanna be one too damn it! ;-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:59:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill NJC to me you'll always be rickie lee, so the problem's been solved! rickie lee, your friends [and i know this for a fact] love you very dearly: how could you NOT be significant??? and you're so smart, maybe you're a genius too! be well, wallyK, np: rickie lee jones, on the street where you live. man, i may be three but i'm swinging!!!!!!! >>>>>>>can i play too? born and raised in seattle washington. living now in SWAMPSCOTT MASSACHUSETTS, which is on the atlantic ocean, about 20 miles up the beach from BOSTON!!! i haven't exactly been following this idea, so i have modeled my answer on what i read in mg's. i haven't felt so significant in a long time! (and all this praise of rickie lee jones! wallyk calls her a genius! i KNEW i should have kept my former email name!!! then i could have pretended you were all gossiping about me! damn! come on you guys! i'm a genius too!!! no really!) but i will settle for being pinned! bless you all! love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:24:49 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #538 In a message dated 10/10/00 8:37:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BMGKotler@aol.com writes: << few days ago, someone asked who are the "he and she" in Conversation. Since, that's one of my all time favorites, I'm dying to know the answer. >> That was I. I'm dying to know too, but I don't think anyone really knows. I always had this feeling it might be either Dylan and Joan Baez or James Taylor and carly Simon. Anyway, welcome home Maddy. Glad you found your way. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:37:25 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: to be a pin on some map/why there? NJC french wrote: > between that old atlas and that big world map i'm sure i can get close to > any location, if anyone wants to play, i'm here... simply an email with > your town or the nearest one if your way in the sticks i'll pin you up..... Great idea, Dean. I was born and raised in Virginia, and am now living in New York City in Manhattan, if your map's large enough to show that spit of land. It's very interesting finding out where people are, and where they started from (geographically anyway). I'm wondering how people ended up living where they do now? I moved here directly from college because 20 years ago NYC was THE place for artists to be, and my favorite art teacher knew the owner of a building in the East Village and that's where I moved to. I was so glad to get out of little Amherst, Massachusetts that I was in a truck with the moving guys, my cat, my paints and my plants almost before the graduation ceremony ended. But now art is everywhere and I fantasize sometimes about moving out of the city, maybe out west (dry air, beautiful mountains, bright sunshine) although I'd hate to not be near the ocean anymore. Maybe I'll move to the Jersey shore. Although I like the idea of living in Paris too. But I'm sure I would miss the intensity of NYC. Oh, what to do? Has anyone just picked up and moved because you like the new place as opposed to moving for a job or to be near family? How did you decide where to go? And if no one is in the mood to share such stuff, well, I'll just be happy to be a pin (not a pinhead please) among pins on the JMDL map of the world.... Debra Shea NP: American League Championship game. Subway series excitement is building, already. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:38:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC RLJ's new cd hi, james, i love your rickie lee site! i am totally immersed in it's like this. i haven't listened to anything else in two days! what beatles album is for no one from? best, wallyK >>>>>>I agree with whomever posted it that Rickie Lee Jones' cd, It's like this, is brilliant. She takes chances on this cd, and it works. Her official web page is http://www.rickieleejones.com Take care, James Phillips "the Bleach Boi" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:37:39 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #538 In a message dated 10/10/00 9:31:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RoseMJoy@aol.com writes: << << few days ago, someone asked who are the "he and she" in Conversation. Since, that's one of my all time favorites, I'm dying to know the answer. >> That was I. I'm dying to know too, but I don't think anyone really knows. I always had this feeling it might be either Dylan and Joan Baez or James Taylor and carly Simon. >> I think the song was written way too early to be about James and Carly, and the storyline gives me no reason to think of Dylan and Baez. I cannot suggest replacement names because I've always thought it was about someone not in the music business, but about three other people she knew, and that the story is told as if it's her, but it's really about a friend of hers who is the other woman in this relationship. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:52:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill NJC heather, you're more than a genius, you're a white magic woman born almost at midnight. wallyk >>>>>>> AND if you are going to be a genius .... well .... I wanna be one too damn it! ;-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:04:23 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: to be a pin on some map/why there? NJC Funny how this thread has come up at such a transitional period of my life. Critcal, even. I'm at a point where I feel I have to make huge decisions about my life, including my georgraphical location. I've never been a traveller (more through ill-health than any lack of desire). I was born and raised in Surrey, part of Greater London in England. To give myself any chance of recovering from my condition (and to keep my sanity) my family and I moved out to the Berkshire countryside in 1996. 25 years in the same area, and then I had to adjust to somewhere I barely knew existed. But still... Now I have come to a point where, quite frankly, I've had enough of Britian. From a purely personal perspective, it holds little in the way of promise, happiness or a feeling of belonging. I've held out for long enough, tried to believe that maybe things will turn around, that I will somehow forge a bearable existence here. After much soul-searching, and attempts to do just that, I had to face the fact. This ain't gonna work. Not for me. Not after what I've been through, and what I require in my life. I just can't achieve or fulfill any of that in the UK. Today I applied for a passport. I didn't have one, never have done and never needed one before. By the end of the year, I will quite possibly be a few thousand miles away from what has become an bloody awful place to live for me. But that's only for a trial period. If it feels right, I will go back again with a view to a more permanent situation. The times they are a-changin', Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:32:51 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: to be a pin on some map/why there? NJC > Has anyone just picked up and moved because you like the new place as opposed > to moving for a job or to be near family? How did you decide where to go? I was born & raised in Keokuk, Iowa which is as far south in Iowa as you can go. It is on a little tip of the state that sticks down from the southeast corner between the Des Moines & Mississippi rivers. I spent 6 years in Cedar Falls Iowa which is right next to Waterloo in the north central part of the state. While attending the University of Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls, I majored in Theatre with the dream of being an actor. I met many crazy & wonderful people while there. After leaving college some of them moved to Minneapolis. One of those that went there was the man I was living with at the time. We had been having a sort of love affair while we lived together, but he wanted to live by himself once he left Iowa and I didn't feel that it was a good idea to follow him to Minneapolis. Another friend had moved to Seattle. She was trying to break into the theatre there. I had never been to Seattle but couldn't stay in Iowa. I had to get out. So in August of 1978 I packed my life into another dear friend's car & we set out for the great northwest, stopping in Cedar Falls & Minneapolis on the way. To make a long story short, my friend who was living in Seattle needed to get her teeth fixed so she needed a steady job. I was much too insecure to audition around Seattle but I did fall in love with the place. So my friend is married with two kids (she married the guy we shared a house with when I first moved here, somebody she met on that job she took to pay for her dental work) and I live in Shoreline Washington which is directly north of Seattle. Neither one of us ever broke into the theatre although I appeared in two plays for fly by night theatre companies back around 1981 or so when I was drawing unemployment. Somehow it wasn't as much fun as it was in college & I found I lacked the ambition & discipline it took to make a go of it. So I'm a desk jockey. There's more to the story but I believe that's all that was called for (and more than most of you wanted to know, I'm sure). Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:31:56 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Conversation In a message dated 10/10/00 5:37:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BMGKotler@aol.com writes: << A few days ago, someone asked who are the "he and she" in Conversation. >> The "he and she" in the song "Conversation" is supposed to be Stephen Stills and Judy Collins. And then Joni singing about the two. MG - having heard that from someone who was likethis with Stills ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:47:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Conversation yeah, where did i read that conversation IS about stephen stills? why would stephen stills constantly bring joni mitchell apples and cheeses, though? did he think she needed to put on some weight? perhaps she knew a recipe that combined the two ingredients? what could that dish be? wallyk, obviously without a life << The "he and she" in the song "Conversation" is supposed to be Stephen Stills and Judy Collins. And then Joni singing about the two. MG - having heard that from someone who was likethis with Stills ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:11:07 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: NJC - Re: Picnic at Hanging Rock Was surprised to see this film referenced here--an on-line friend of mine from one of my quilting groups was in it --she played "Edith". She's "famous" for her blood-curdling scream! I recorded the film from TV (it was on here at about 2 a.m. - LOL) - --Nancy/IA A couple of Australian films I would strongly > > recommend are ‘Picnic at Hanging Rock’ (I think I remember Steve > > Dulson praising this one on the jmdl about a year ago) I also loved "Picnic at Hanging Rock" it's beautifully shot and very haunting but > can be slow. I read the novel which is also excellent. I read that there is a Chapter 18 to > the novel that explains the disappearance of Miranda and the girls but Peter Weir wanted the > movie to be more mysterious and for people to ruminate over the fate of the girls. > Apparently, people still climb the rocks calling for Miranda!Ń ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:06:49 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Blue Hey Kate: At first I thought you were referring to Crosby and now with the Woman Of Heart & Mind hint, "...you come to me like a little boy..." Do the dots connect to "Willie"....is my child he is my father.... Is it Graham? Leslie M. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #539 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?