From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #535 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Sunday, October 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 535 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Midway game ["Kakki" ] 'The Straight Story' [catman ] Re: hello, and goodbye. NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Almost Famous [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Re: 'The Straight Story' [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Condolences to reverend Vince(NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Midway game ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: hello, and goodbye. NJC [Dflahm@aol.com] Kate on the radio today NJC [Brian Gross ] Re: hello, and goodbye. NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Midway game ["Kakki" ] Re: Benjamin Orr & Joni NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] : Re: That Song About the Midway ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Siquomb decoded, No new content ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni acronyms [Andrew Baio ] NJC Brad [catman ] Re: Non-US Films (NJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: Joni acronyms ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Midway game ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni acronyms [Mark Domyancich ] RE: NJC Brad ["Wally Kairuz" ] The Gallery & a new Guess Who ["Kate Bennett" ] Bon Voyage! (NJC) [Michael Paz ] A brief Joni reference. [john low ] Re: hello, and goodbye. NJC [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: non-us films NJC [john low ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 23:49:17 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Midway game Kate wrote: >You know I always loved this song too & never really attributed to > anyone in particular (I thought it was about some big handsome black guy > working at a carnival). I hope I didn't ruin it for anyone. I always loved the song because the images were so colorful and I took her literally to mean a character she knew or met at a carnival (thought it might be a "companion" song to Carnival in Kenora). She does an incredible job at slipping in the hidden allusions to his misadventures with the Byrds and most people except for him would never have guessed. I can "hear" it either way now and it is only enhanced for me, not at all ruined. This song particularly contradicts her own assertions that her early work was too "naive" or "young-girlish". I've mentioned here before a great B. Mitchell Reed radio interview with Croz I have that took place in August 1967. He is full of high spirits and himself (in a good way) and talking on a roll for about 45 minutes. He had just returned from his first sitting in with the Buffalo Springfield at Monterey, and sort of laughing off and scoffing at how the rest of the Byrds were going to react to it. He was very much "it's time to share the music and forget about ego, man, that's where it's at now" in the best hippie tradition. Turned out McGuinn and Hillman were not so utopian-minded, but the last straw was when he was adamantly pushing the Byrds to record the controversial "Triad" that they'd finally had it with him. Shortly thereafter, the Springfield, having their own internal fissures, broke up. I can relate all of Joni's "Midway" lyrics to this now - Crosby was flying high with the Byrds but gambling with his good fortune and pushing his bets to the limit, only to come up bust in the end. She really taunts him in this song, yet concedes that she is also weary of her own gig and envies him a bit the "valley that he has found". I think the only song that we previously knew for sure was inspired by Crosby was "The Dawntreader." That's a gorgeous song but this one is much more interesting to me! Kakki NP: Joni - The Gallery ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 10:00:05 +0100 From: catman Subject: 'The Straight Story' Richard Farnsworth, who played the title roll of the film in the email subject, has killed himself, aged 80. He used a gun. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 07:07:10 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: hello, and goodbye. NJC Hey Alison in the City! I might be able to make the 8:30 show. The 11:00 show is a bit too late for me, as I have to work the next day. I'll have to get back to you to let you know for sure. Hey Julius, when are you coming to NY? You did say mid October, didn't you? Anyone else? Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:08:26 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Almost Famous I had to share something I noticed about the movie"Almost Famous", which I saw last night. Did anyone else notice this little indiscrepency? They posted the date as 1969 in the first scene and the older sister had a fight with the mother and left to become a "stewardess". As she was leaving, she whispered to her little brother "Look under your bed, it will set you free". Under the bed, he found a whole stack of rock albums, which his mother forbade at the time. Among them was Joni Mitchell "Blue". As soon as it came up, my husband leaned over to me and said, "Look! It's Joni!". And of course, being a little know-it-all, I said, "Blue? In 1969? I don't think so." Cameron Crowe should know better. Great flick though. Later on in the movie, "River" is heard at a concert, but that's in 1973 - I'll buy that. : ) tanya in nyc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:34:39 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: 'The Straight Story' In a message dated 10/7/00 2:00:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << Richard Farnsworth, who played the title roll of the film in the email subject, has killed himself, aged 80. He used a gun. >> He had terminal cancer. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:59:24 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Condolences to reverend Vince(NJC) Yes I would have to think the Rev is esconched in a world of pain that I know myself i would be in. With a lighted match poised over kerosene soaked baseball cards of the team. People who arent hard core baseball fans undoubtedly cant understand why those of us who are take it so seriously but to explain the subtleties of the game, and as one who has coached for years and played for many more I know, is difficult. What makes it hurt so much is that the season goes on for months and there is this tremendous buildup that increases until you finally reach the post season. Then in a few days with some bad luck and some bad calls a a few timely hits by the other team it all goes...poof. You wonder why your smashed balls go right at the fielder while their froopy ground balls go for hits. Chicago had a dream season and even though a young team they played so well for so long it was amazing to watch. In the post season everything is magnified and a short "slump" of non production is devastating. So Vince, my hearts out to you big fella. The season is to be savored and also seen as a preview of next season when the team builds upon what it started this year. Sometimes you cant win until you find out how you lose. My Giants lost a tough game to the Mets the other night so we now have to go back to New York where its tough to win with our series tied 1-1. The tension this weekend will be enormous. Rev nothing can take away those magnificent Sox triumphs this season that got them into the playoffs. As we always say in baseball...wait til next year. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 09:13:08 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Midway game > Crosby was "The Dawntreader." That's a gorgeous song but this one is much > more interesting to me! > > Kakki > > NP: Joni - The Gallery The Gallery is one I'd really like to know whether or not it has any basis is reality. I happened to catch part of a program on Diego Rivera the other night & it was talking about his wife's frustration with his extra-marital philandering. I think they also said that she appeared in his paintings. Instantly I thought of The Gallery. Anybody know anything about The Gallery? Kate? By the way, Kakki, The Dawntreader is one of my favorites. It always fills me with a sense of absolute tranquility & peace. Some sadness too. The line 'and the dream of a baby/like a promise to be free/children laughing out to sea' is really rather heartbreaking in light of what we know now. The memory of Kilauren was still very fresh in her mind when she wrote that one. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:01:26 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: hello, and goodbye. NJC Yes, the opening night, 10/17, we hit at 8:30. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:03:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Kate on the radio today NJC Hi gang, It was really cool to hear our Kate from Colorado as the first caller/contestant on the NPR quiz show "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me" today. Scoring a perfect 3 for 3, she now gets Carl Cassel's voice on her answering machine, which she said was the coolest thing. But, IMHO, having Joni's voice answering the phone would be even cooler!!!!! Take care everyone. I miss you all. Brian np: the sounds of the Russell C (Univ of Delaware) residence hall, where I am picking up my daughter Randi to take her home for Yom Kippur. Happy New Year, my friends. ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:24:44 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: hello, and goodbye. NJC In a message dated 10/7/00 2:02:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dflahm writes: << Rose, the show IS 8:30 on the 17th & 24th. It's 11:00 on the 19th & 26th. LAHM >> Thanks David. I hope to make it Tuesday night the 17th at 8:30. It is at Judy's Chelsea, right? I'm eager to finally meet you! I know Patrick Leader and Debra Shea are going and I'm sure Alison will be there too. Julius was planning to come to New York the middle of the month. Wouldn't it be kewl if we could all be there the same evening? It'll be kinda a mini David Lahm and his band takes on Joni Mitchell/JMDLFest. I'll bring the cameras. If the party gets big, should we reserve a table? Rose in NJ who's getting psyched ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:49:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Midway game Mark wrote: > The Gallery is one I'd really like to know whether or not it has any > basis is reality. I happened to catch part of a program on Diego > Rivera the other night & it was talking about his wife's frustration > with his extra-marital philandering. I think they also said that she > appeared in his paintings. Instantly I thought of The Gallery. > Anybody know anything about The Gallery? Kate? I always thought it was about a boyfriend from her art school days. After Joni and Kilauren reunited and reading the news articles about Kilauren's father who is a photographer, I tend to think it was about him. "I was left to winter here (Joni left in Toronto) while you went west for pleasure" ("he went to California hearing that everything's warmer there"). I like the Diego Rivera tie-in you make. > By the way, Kakki, The Dawntreader is one of my favorites. It always > fills me with a sense of absolute tranquility & peace. Some sadness > too. The line 'and the dream of a baby/like a promise to be > free/children laughing out to sea' is really rather heartbreaking in > light of what we know now. The memory of Kilauren was still very > fresh in her mind when she wrote that one. Though I think most all of her songs come from another world, this one has such a strong otherworldy feel to me. Though the song Little Green was written before this one, it appears to be the first song we might have heard that hinted about Kilauren. There's a lot going on in those lyrics, especially knowing now that Crosby also gave up a baby to adoption (James Raymond) around the same time as Joni. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:10:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Benjamin Orr & Joni NJC << Just in case anyone forgot (wait, who am I addressing here??) Benjamin did back-up vocals on CMIARS (in "Number One" and "Beat of Black Wings"). >> I HAD forgotten, Lindsay...thanks for the reminder! Ironically, Orr sang on the ONLY "Number One" song The Cars made ("Drive"), even though Ric Ocasek did the vast majority of their vocals... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:33:50 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: : Re: That Song About the Midway I agree. Furthermore, while Joni may be an 'expert' authority on her lyrics, she doesn't always, uhh.... share the truth with us. (For example, her assertion that "Chinese Cafe" refers to Carole King.) Jim Brian Workman said, > A piece of art, particularly > by someone as instinctive as > Joni means what it means to the perceiver. > Only Joni can say what her songs mean, > and I'm not so sure she even knows.... All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:49:50 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Siquomb decoded, No new content Siquomb is a fanciful name for a fairy tale character that Joni invented in her fanciful days, after reading Tolkein's trilogy. She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind (and) Body In retrospect, I guess lots of us think that it describes Our Lady Of Duality. :) I love you Joni. Long may you run. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:05:28 -0700 From: Andrew Baio Subject: Re: Joni acronyms >She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind (and) Body Isn't it "...Of Mind Beauty"? And here's a bonus question: what does the acronym "Sisotowbell" mean? -- Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 00:07:52 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC Brad I am chuffed. Brad lost his virginity this week. Twice a day every day with three different bitches. You should see the expression on his face. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:35:05 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Non-US Films (NJC) WallyK said: > my favorite european movies are ...any bergman, any almodovar .... wim wender's ''wings of desire''. I can generally never remember the names of films, or who they are by but: bergmans "Seventh Seal" is an incredible masterpiece almodovar - I always remember the frogman in the bath LOL "Wings of desire" - This is one of the most visually stunning films I have ever seen :) Alan Lorimer www.hawleybeach.com Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:21:20 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni acronyms > >She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind (and) Body > > Isn't it "...Of Mind Beauty"? And > here's a bonus question: what does > the acronym "Sisotowbell" mean? Somehow In Spite Of Troubles Ours Will Be Ever Lasting Love God I spend too much time reading Joni stuff! LOL! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:22:30 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Midway game There's a lot going on in those lyrics, > especially knowing now that Crosby also gave up a baby to adoption (James > Raymond) around the same time as Joni. > > Kakki > 'All *his* sea dreams come to me' Interesting point, Kakki! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:22:42 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni acronyms Yes, it is Of Mind Beauty, and Somehow In Spite Of Trouble Ours Will Be EverLasting Love. NP-Tim Reynolds, 10/2/00-Metamorphosis At 3:05 PM -0700 10/7/00, Andrew Baio wrote: >>She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind (and) Body > > Isn't it "...Of Mind Beauty"? And > here's a bonus question: what does > the acronym "Sisotowbell" mean? > > -- Andy. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 20:29:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC Brad well, colin, do EMPATHIZE please!!!! except for the bitches, i can really relate to lucky brad. oh but to be a recently deflowered pup again!!!!!! wallyk >>>>>I am chuffed. Brad lost his virginity this week. Twice a day every day with three different bitches. You should see the expression on his face. - -- bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:57:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The Gallery & a new Guess Who With what Kakki mentioned about her boyfriend being a photographer & those two similar lines, it makes sense to me that the Gallery is about the photographer & father of Little Green. Okay, I have another one. Lets just say that I agree that Joni is the only one who can say who are songs are about. So put away your flame throwers & lets play this one just for fun... This one is less obvious & one I initially discounted because I always had someone else in mind who I thought the song was about. However who am I to say. Then I looked at a couple lines & thought it could be so. And maybe someone here has some knowledge that could point to this being possible. That being said, who do you think Blue was written for? - --I said no flames okay ;}-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 20:47:08 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Bon Voyage! (NJC) Allison- Have a safe and wonderful adventure moving out to NYC. Wish I could be there for the Lahm show, but work has me out of my mind (which is sort of redundant). I was planning on meeting Julius and party in NYC at the end of the month, but he has moved the date and I can't go that weekend. I will be doing a festival here with Michael McDonald, Little Feat, Kansas, and a bunch of other bands. The following weekend we have a super dooper show with Stone Temple Pilots, Eminem, 311, Blues Traveller, Counting Crows, Blah blah blah. I would much rather hang out with you guys in NYC and get NO sleep and drink TOO much and play music and and and ....Hope you find a pad soon and a good job and eventually some Wall Street Romeo to waltz you up and down Manhattan. Take care. Paz NP-I'M Alive-Jackson Browne Live in Shreveport 6-9-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:41 +1000 From: john low Subject: A brief Joni reference. G’day Jmdlers, Strangely, JMDL Digest 533 didn't arrive. Lost in cyberspace I suppose. Hope I didn't miss anything important. Anyway, I just received the latest issue of the Australian Friends of Fairport [Convention] fanzine, “Fiddlestix”, and discovered a Joni Mitchell reference that, considering a recent thread, I thought might be of interest. This issue contains an interview with Fairport’s bass player, Dave Pegg, and one of the questions he was asked was: “If you could sit next to anyone famous at a Dinner Party, who would it be and what would you ask them?” He replied: “Well I would like to sit in between Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell. I probably wouldn’t say much, I would leave them to do the talking because my questions would be too embarrassing. Whenever I meet somebody famous I am always at a loss for words, I never know what to say. The same as most people do actually, it’s like when you go back stage after a gig and meet one of your heroes most people find it difficult. The most famous person I ever met was Paul McCartney. I completely froze up, as everybody does when they meet Paul, but he was the perfect gent. A very, very nice person as was his wife Linda. God Bless her. They were absolutely charming and very genuine people.” And, taking the interview as a whole, I would say that those last sentiments would apply equally well to Dave Pegg himself. Long live Fairport! Cheers, John (in Sydney) PS. I know the Joni content in this post is only minor so, if anyone thinks I should have made it NJC, I apologize. __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:29:14 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: hello, and goodbye. NJC Hi, Rose--- Yes, it would be advisable to make a reservation: call 212/929-5410. The food is quite good there and if you are going to eat, you need to be seated by 7:30, since food is not served during the show. Loolking forward to it. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:42 +1000 From: john low Subject: Re: non-us films NJC Wally K wrote: >JOHN!!!!!!!! >i grew up watching jacques tati's movies!!! ''mon oncle'' is my favorite. >tati's movies are still enormously popular here. Wally, I’m really pleased to hear that you share my enjoyment and appreciation of Jacques Tati. His is a gentle, magical and timeless comedy. Watching Monsieur Hulot, you can see clearly where Mr Bean has come from! You mentioned not seeing much Australian cinema. That's unfortunate because we actually have a pretty rich cinematic history going right back to the early days. A couple of Australian films I would strongly recommend are ‘Picnic at Hanging Rock’ (I think I remember Steve Dulson praising this one on the jmdl about a year ago), ‘The Year My Voice Broke’ and ‘Cosi’. The last of these concerns the (not altogether successful) attempt by inmates of an asylum to mount a production of Mozart’s opera ‘Cosi fan tutte’. It’s a real ‘out of left field’ film so I hope it won’t put you off your love of opera, Wally. Cheers, John. __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #535 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?