From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #534 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Saturday, October 7 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 534 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Leonard Cohen, was Re: Midway game SJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: nonAmerican films NJC [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Leonard Cohen, was Re: Midway game NJC [dsk ] Leonard Cohen's Suzanne NJC (Long) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Leonard Cohen's Suzanne NJC (Long) [MGVal@aol.com] non-us films NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] hello, and goodbye. NJC [Alison E ] Benjamin Orr & Joni [Lindsay Moon ] RE: hello, and goodbye. NJC ["patrick leader" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:47:53 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen, was Re: Midway game SJC Oh yes I know that one by heart. (Suzanne) I always thought he wrote that song about Joni. What do you think MG or anyone? Rose in NJ who's not embarrassed to say, I love him too. I think I'll buy that new Album. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:51:23 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: nonAmerican films NJC In a message dated 10/6/00 5:33:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << personal favorite nonAmerican films (in no particular order) >> Blow Up Last Year At Marienbad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 22:26:37 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen, was Re: Midway game NJC > In a message dated 10/6/00 6:31:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, RoseMJoy@aol.com > writes: > > << if you don't become the ocean > you'll be seasick > every day >> I love this bit of wisdom! It's like an eloquent version of "go with the flow", which sounds rather flat now compared to Cohen's words. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 22:54:30 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Leonard Cohen's Suzanne NJC (Long) Suzanne takes you down to her place near the river you can hear the boats go by you can spend the night beside her I think I found the answer............. For the generation that included most of those teachers and myself, Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne" is likely the best-known of all Montrealers in Canadian literature. Since some people wrongly assume that the Suzanne of this song is Suzanne Elrod, the mother of Cohen's children, I told the visiting Danes that the Suzanne of the song is actually Suzanne Verdal, a dancer who was married to the Montreal sculptor Armand Vaillancourt. She was never Cohen's lover, he insists. And she confirms that it was her choice -- not his -- that they were never lovers in an interview she gave the BBC. I also told them that the tea Suzanne Verdal served him along with the oranges was Bigelow's Constant Comment but I couldn't tell them in which building in Old Montreal they'd be able to find her original place by the river: There are several people in diverse buildings who all claim to be living there now, variously gripped by private mythologies I wouldn't want to visit. But knowing that these touring teachers did want to go to Old Montreal, I gave them some general indicators of possible addresses and precise directions to the seventeenth century La Chapelle de Bonsecours, the sailor's church just a little east of the Bonsecours market, where they'd see the source for Cohen's images of Jesus as a sailor. After I told them how to get to Place d'Armes by Metro, I read them this passage from Ray Smith's Century: In a Metro station on a warm Friday evening in springtime. The girls, the young women, are going dancing. Some are with boyfriends, some with other girls. They wear clothes in many different styles: neat, dressy, sloppy, weird, colorful, drab, tight, baggy, modest, revealing. (This is the season of punk and preppy, very eclectic; I think the kids are ahead of the designers for once.) The miniskirt is back, along with lots of bright colors like turquoise, red, pink and mauve; hair styles are wild and dramatic; jewelry is big and bright. The girls are chattering and laughing, their voices singing out in the echoing halls, whispering, while their eyes revolve and wheel, squint and grow large. What are they talking about? Boys? Boys as suave as Leonard Cohen? They wish! It still surprises me each year that so many of the dancing girls of Montreal who attend Dawson College on the cusp of womanhood still find the shaven-headed, monkish Leonard Cohen, the oldest folk singer in captivity, so inordinately attractive. Not many of them know that Leonard Cohen is not only a singer whose bootleg concert tapes are much prized but also is a fabulous novelist and ferociously funny about the sort of boy he was, the very sort of boy most of these girls in their springtime clothes look at askance when his distant cousins come near them -- Jewish boys who are too short and too sexually aggressive. Leonard Cohen's novel The Favourite Game has wonderful descriptions of adolescence in Montreal that still resonate through later seasons of punk and preppy, seasons of post-punk and post-preppy, and the current season of neo-punk and homeboy Hilfiger neo- prep, eclectic techno and Goth. I told the Danish teachers that Leonard Cohen grew up in the neighbourhood of Dawson College and that if they walked west of Dawson along Sherbrooke Street to Clarke Avenue, they'd see a road leading up the mountainside, Cote Saint Antoine, that follows a settler's trail that follows a more ancient native footpath. Following it, they'd soon come to Shaar Hashomyin synagogue in which Leonard Cohen had his bar mitzvah. Five minutes further along, they'd come to Prince Albert Park which locals always call Murray Hill. It's fourteen acres and somewhere buried beneath it are fresh water wells sacred to the original inhabitants of the island and some of their graves, untouched by archeologists . The only excavations that take place in this park are in the sandboxes of the children's playground. If they walked into the park and climbed up to the tennis courts, I told them that they'd notice some houses backing on to the west side of the park. The first in the row (599 Belmont Avenue if they went around front to make certain they'd got the right one) is the house in which Leonard Cohen grew up and in which his sister lived until recently. It's also the house occupied by Lawrence Breavman, the protagonist of The Favourite Game. Breavman (like Cohen) is fascinated by hypnotism. Whenever I'm near those tennis courts, watching amateurs will their wrists to straightness while fighting fantasies of Wimbledon glory, I remember this scene from the novel: Breavman, in early adolescence, is nearly a head shorter than most of his friends. There's a party. He increases his height with the same technique Muffin, the girl of his dreams, is said to increase her bust: He stuffs his shoes with Kleenex. He dances well for half an hour then the wadded paper in his shoes throws him off-balance and obliges him to hold Muffin tighter and tighter. It gets a bit passionate. As they walk home, he tells her about his Kleenexes and asks her about hers. She runs away: He detoured to the park and raced over the damp ground until the view stopped him. He set down his shoes like neat lieutenants beside his feet. He looked in awe at the expanse of night-green foliage, the austere lights of the city, the dull gleam of the St. Lawrence. A city was a great achievement, bridges were fine things to build. But the street, harbours, spikes of stone were ultimately lost in the wider cradle of mountain and sky. It ran a chill through his spine to be involved in the mysterious mechanism of city and black hills. Father, I'm ignorant. He would master the rules and techniques of the city, why the one-way streets were chosen, how the stock -market worked, what notaries did. It wasn't a hellish Bunny Hop if you knew the true name of things. He would study leaves and bark, and visit stone quarries as his father had done. Good-bye world of Kleenex. He gathered his shoes, walked into the bushes, climbed the fence which separated his house from the park. Black lines, like an ink drawing of a storm, plunged out of the sky to help him over, he could have sworn. The house he entered was important as a museum. That expanse of foliage, those lights of the city, the gleam of the St. Lawrence that one sees from the spot where Lawrence Breavman stood are special to me, night and day, every season of the year and I was pleased to hear later from the Danish teachers that a trio of them had taken the walk to where Leonard Cohen once lived. They asked me if I'd ever seen Leonard Cohen on the streets of Westmount. I said I had. Once and only once. He was standing outside a fruit and vegetable store looking for all the world like a man who can't quite decide if he wants to continue looking super cool or really needs to eat a banana. From the downtown core of Montreal, you can get to Westmount's Cote St. Antoine by following Sherbrooke Street West to just a little past Greene Avenue. The 24 Autobus Ouest will drop you right where you want to begin your walk. Or take the Metro to Atwater and walk up to Sherbrooke and west six or seven blocks. Bigelow's Constant Comment tea is available at most food stores in the Montreal region. © 2000 by T.F. Rigelhof. Reprinted with permission. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 22:58:09 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen's Suzanne NJC (Long) In a message dated 10/6/00 7:54:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, RoseMJoy writes: << Suzanne takes you down to her place near the river you can hear the boats go by you can spend the night beside her >> Loved it! A great read. Thanks so much Rose! MG np: kid noises ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:13:17 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: non-us films NJC JOHN!!!!!!!! i grew up watching jacques tati's movies!!! ''mon oncle'' is my favorite. tati's movies are still enormously popular here. alas, i don't like many american movies [except perhaps for the old ones, bette davis et al., the musicals, and ''the sound of music'', which i watch once a month.] my favorite european movies are ''the spirit of the beehive'' and ''el sur'' [both spanish and directed by victor erice], ''nosferatu'' [both versions: werner herzog's and murnau's], any bergman, any almodovar, absolutely ALL ERIC ROHMER!!!!!!!! [you may have seen his autumn tale in the us]. anything with catherine deneuve. also, fassbinder. dario argento. wim wender's '' wings of desire''. in fact, all my favorite movies are either european or canadian, and i buy and buy and buy movies on video all the time. amazon.com knows that i suffer from compulsory shopping behavior. what we see less often here is australian cinema, although ''priscilla, queen of the desert'' was a huge success. i think that 90% of what we see is french, german and british. wallyk, sad because the weather is beginning to look like spring. [sultry 15 celsius today!!!!!!!] >At the other end of the spectrum, I never tire of the light-hearted French comedy of Jacques Tati’s Monsieur Hulot – “Monsieur Hulot’s Holiday” and “Mon Oncle”. Cheers, John (in Sydney). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:37:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: hello, and goodbye. NJC Hello everyone, just wanted to let you know that my new email address is alisone4@yahoo.com. I have left my job of 7 and half years (yikes!) and will be on my way to new york city soon (wednesday). i will be posting very sporadically, but trying to read all mail. cocteau twins - possibly my favorite band of all time. elisabeth frazer is absolutely unmatched in my mind for vocal mystery and beauty and uniqueness. madonna, schmadonna, blahdonna, i love her. she's just fun. debate all you want, she's still just plain fun. i do plan to attend the david lahm shindig at judy's chelsea with everyone as we have discussed (Patrick, Debra, Tanya, Emily?) and whomever else would like to come! Rose, feel like drivin in from Jersey? so, i am still planning for the 17th (i think the 11:00 show?) somebody clue me in if plans have changed! love to all of you, alison e. in slc (for 5 more days!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:26:24 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Benjamin Orr & Joni Sad to note Benjamin Orr's death. I don't imagine pancreatic cancer is a very fun way to go. Ugh. Just in case anyone forgot (wait, who am I addressing here??) Benjamin did back-up vocals on CMIARS (in "Number One" and "Beat of Black Wings"). Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:29:49 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: hello, and goodbye. NJC alison wrote: >i do plan to attend the david lahm shindig at judy's >chelsea with everyone as we have discussed (Patrick, >Debra, Tanya, Emily?) and whomever else would like to >come! Rose, feel like drivin in from Jersey? >so, i am still planning for the 17th (i think the >11:00 show?) i'm still planing to attend that show, and so is debra shea (i believe). it's actually at 8:30 that night (it's the opening show). other manhattanites? whatever, as far as i'm concerned it's a definite. patrick np - barenboim - tribute to ellington ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #534 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?