From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #533 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Friday, October 6 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 533 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Billy Elliot & Foreign Films (NJC) (md) [Joseph Palis ] Re: Foreign Films (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre ["Rose M. Joy" ] Re: Banquet--My Experience (LJC) ["Susan" ] Edith in the aisles [B Merrill ] RE: film - need help remembering the title NJC ["Diane Evans" ] Joni Top 15 ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: Robben v Robin and then Elizabeth NJC ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] flicks NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni on Sky [Gertus@aol.com] Little Wing being about Joni ["william" ] Re: Stars & their Chars SJC ["Steve Mitchell" ] Garland and singers [Jerry Notaro ] More and more crap ... (NJC) [Don Rowe ] njc-episcopalians and same sex unions [Siresorrow@aol.com] njc - episcopalian top dog on hiv-aids [Siresorrow@aol.com] nonAmerican films NJC [Vince Lavieri ] nonAmerican films NJC opps... [Vince Lavieri ] Jane Horrocks on Parky (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Almost Famous-The Mailing List ["C.A. Starkey" ] Re: nonAmerican films NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] Foreign Films NJC [john low ] Midway game ["Kate Bennett" ] Definition of "Coyote" (NJC) [john low ] RE: nonAmerican films NJC ["Chris Marshall" ] Condolences (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Jane Horrocks on Parky (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Siquomb ["Marilyn Huggins" ] Re: Midway game SJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Mystery of Cat Stevens ["Marilyn Huggins" ] RE: SIQUOMB [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Mystery of Cat Stevens [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Leonard Cohen, was Re: Midway game NJC [MGVal@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:17:32 +0800 (PHT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Billy Elliot & Foreign Films (NJC) (md) jan, i agree with you. big time. in the Manila, it was released here as "A Pornographic Affair" and Nathalie Baye knocked me silly with her quiet performance. She doesn't need to scream to let you know she's in pain. i like the ending very very much. so realistic. joseph np: Karen Ramirez "People Make the World Go Round" from her Distant Dream album On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, jan gyn wrote: > You know what's a pretty good movie? "An Affair Of Love", a French film > about two late forty somethings who decide to have a weekly 'physical' > relationship in a hotel, and how that relationship deteriorates when > personal feelings intrude. The woman is played by Nathalie Baye, veteran > of late 70s-80s Truffaut and Godard films. > -jan > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 00:41:27 -0700 From: Robert Holliston Subject: Re: Billy Elliot & Foreign Films (NJC) (md) MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > In appreciation of foreign films I pose the following question. Q. What is > the > best foreign film or top 5 foreign films you have ever seen. Three of my dad's favorite films ever are The Bicycle Thief, Umberto D., and Forbidden Games (Jeux interdits). He can still get misty-eyed telling me how exciting it was to see these masterpieces when they were new. (He also recalls catching Thelonius Monk live right here in Victoria, B.C. in 1949 ;-) So, limiting myself to films I saw when they themselves were new - and long enough ago that they've stood the test of time at least for me - and keeping in mind that these are not necessarily "the best," here are some of my faves among non-American films: Babette's Feast (1987) - What a wonderful film! Written and directed by Gabriel Axel (based on a story by Isak Dinesen), in Danish and French. Its story involves adversity, sacrifice, and the cruelly random nature of life and society, but it's really about one person's singleminded and selfless dedication to the highest standards in her chosen art, and how this effects and moves the (initially sceptical) people around her. Experience Preferred...But Not Essential (1983) - This is very slight, but I've seen it many times and would cheerfully watch it again right now. British (set in a Welsh coastal resort in 1962), it has a wonderful mix of characters - especially the naive young college student spending her first summer away from home. Lovely soundtrack.... Breaker Morant (1979) - A really great, intense courtroom drama, filmed wonderfully by one of my favorite directors, Bruce Beresford, and with a cast so good it's impossible to imagine anyone else playing the roles. Since it's based on a true story, it's necessarily biased - many respectable historians have questioned its reliability, but even documentaries involve a selection process when it comes to what data to present. This was a glowing period in Australian film, with Gillian Armstrong's My Brilliant Career and Fred Schepesi's The Chant of Jimmie Blacksmith released around the same time. (Later, in 1991, Beresford made what to me remains his masterpiece: the Canadian film Black Robe - set in the seventeenth century, this is a deeply disturbing account of how, with the most altruistic yet perhaps selfish of intentions, missionaries can destroy cultures.) Entre Nous (1983) - One brave (and apparently autobiographical) movie: writer-director Diane Kurys examines with great empathy the relationship, over several years, between two women (portrayed with astonishing naturalness by Miou-Miou and Isabelle Huppert). But she also presents at least one fully rounded male character, that of Huppert's husband. The questions are challenging and no easy answers are provided, especially at the end..... The Magic Flute (1974) - Critics have argued for decades that opera can't be filmed, and they're right. But this one is special, despite some inferior singing (only the Papageno, Haken Hagegard, went on to have an international career, and he is simply delectable in this film). This has Bergman's filmmaking - - and theatre-directing - stamp all over it, and also his love for Mozart, which stops (thank goodness) short of idolatry. There are inherent problems with this opera - not only sexism and racism, but Freemasonry, which few of us relate to. Bergman's film helps. Some American movies I feel compelled to defend: What's Eating Gilbert Grape, Tender Mercies (another Bruce Beresford film, with a performance from Robert Duvall which has certainly stood the test of time), Norma Rae (Sally Field had just been seen on TV as/in Sybil. IMHO, she's never been anything less than good, but in the late 1970s she gave two great performances), Hairspray (again IMHO, self-appointed naughty boy John Waters's best film), The Right Stuff (true, it wasn't as biting as the book, but I loved the cast). Then there is John Sayles, one of my favorite filmmakers: I especially loved Matewan, City of Hope, Eight Men Out, and the wonderful Passion Fish. This is already way too long, but so was Marcel's original invitation. I hate the way the American film industry makes commodities of its artists (often, it must be admitted, with their complicity). So, I'll just say this: in almost any other country, Julia Roberts would be appreciated as the talented, skilled, and accomplished actress she is. (She would also not always be reminded about Mary Reilly - after all, how often is Tom Cruise reminded these days about Cocktail?) She's young and one of the best natural comic actors in the world - I just hope she's not too celebrated and rich to get the opportunities she needs to develop into the great screen actress she showed she could be way back in Mystic Pizza. With love and great appreciation for the patience of those not into this thread, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 03:51:55 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Banquet One of my all-time favorites, both for lyric ("Some turn to Jesus, and some turn to heroin") and especially for music ... the twists and turns, weaving and bobbing melody and harmony ... so adventurous, so inspired. And, of course, the piano. What a masterpiece. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:50:36 +0800 (PHT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Billy Elliot & Foreign Films (NJC) (md) Thanks for the great discussions on the favorite movies of Jimdlers. My own top five: (1) Jesus of Montreal - Lothaire Bluteau is a stand-out in this film about trying to stage the Passion Play while the whole effort in staging it is like the Passion Play itself. Great opening scene of two sopranos singing in the train station. Hard to forget. (2) A Simple Plan - Its about deceit, deception and the greed that stems when the lure of money comes to the picture. Great modern day parable. Billy Bob Thornton is outstanding as the half-witted brother who is the soul of the movie. (3) Dangerous Liaisons - Great ensemble acting (well, maybe except Keanu Reeves' Danceny). Sexual chess between bored 18th century French aristocrats and the nature of evil. Michelle Pfeiffer made me pay attention to her in this film. John Malkovich is Snake Incarnate, while Stage Manager was played to perfection by Glenn Close. The wrecking of the boudoir scene still chills me just remembering it. (4) Crimes and Misdemeanors - The nature of guilt. This film dares to ask the question: "Is it allowed to kill someone if you think God is not watching?". The film masterfully showed us that there are no safety nets. Woody Allen's best film IMHO (second would be `Hannah and Her Sisters' then `Husbands and Wives'). Great performance from Anjelica Huston and Michael Landau. (5) Enemies, A Love Story - Ron Silver being loved by three women representing what he wants in women: as a slave/housekeeper, as an intellectual equivalent (played by Anjelica Huston), and for sex (Lena Olin at her dangerously seductive best). ...and a special mention to... (6) `Night Mother - this film almost happened in one day. Sissy Spacek, one night said to her mother (Anne Bancrof) "`night, Mother. I'm going to kill myself". The whole film was about a reexamination of a sad life, and is all about the pervasive understanding of tragedy. The ending is powerful! But I also like "84 Charing Cross Road", "Room With a View", "Fatal Attraction" (the director's cut which has a film noirish ending and not the one shown internationally that reduced Glenn Close's character into a demented sociopath), "Central Station", "Shadowlands" and "Brothers McMullen", "Meeting Venus". Joseph (thinks Debra Winger should do more films instead of being a full time mother and wife to Arliss Howard) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:51:46 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Foreign Films (NJC) "Babettes gæstebud" or "Babette's Feast" is still one of my favorite foreign films. Anyone who LOVES food *has* to find this gem! Jimmy np- Marcel Deste "Rainy Night House" w/ Steve Mixon on mandolin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:41:22 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: film - need help remembering the title NJC Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > > I think your thinking of "smilia's sense of snow".does that ring a bell > for you? Hmmm, I've been trying to think what this *mystery* film could have been. I'm pretty certain it's not Smilla's Sense Of Snow, though. Besides being released in 1997 (making it too recent), the main female character didn't have a daughter. I think I'm stumped on this! Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:59:34 -0400 From: "Brian Workman" Subject: Re: That Song About the Midway I agree. How can some people be "wrong" about what they interpret a song to mean to them, and somebody else (not necessarily Kate, but anybody) be "right". A piece of art, particularly by someone as instinctive as Joni means what it means to the perceiver. Only Joni can say what her songs mean, and I'm not so sure she even knows.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:31 PM Subject: Re: That Song About the Midway > In a message dated 10/5/00 10:29:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > kate@katebennett.com writes: > > << oh Kakki, you are getting warmer! > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > >> > I'm more curious than who the song is about, Kate, how you can know with > such certainty? > > Paul I > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:06:56 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Foreign Films (NJC) Oh! I can participate in this one! When I lived in Rochester, New York, there was a small movie theater a few blocks from my home that was exclusively devoted to foreign films and a smattering of indie releases. Now I know I am going to spend all day trying to remember the name of the place, damn it!. For a few years in the early 80's, I saw just about everything that they ran and my all time favorite movie comes right from that period. "Entre Nous" is a gem. Funny and witty and poignant; it is the story of two women who become friends in post WWII France. I've always taken its theme as being how we deal with sadness and how sometimes the antidote to deep pain is stepping outside of the status quo. And how sometimes when we do that, others suffer pain and confusion from our choices. And just about anything with Gerald Diepardieu from that time is worth seeing. Fanny and Alexandra is another classic that I pretend to watch every Christmas season for no good reason. MG - too tired to know if I'm up early or still up late from quarter end close week ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:49 -0400 From: "Rose M. Joy" Subject: Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre - --====970832946==== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This e-mail has been sent to you by Rose M. Joy (rosemjoy@aol.com) from the= globeandmail.com Web Centre. Message: Joni won the Hall of Fame Award at The Prairie Music Awards Sunday= night. The Globe and Mail, Monday, October 2, 2000 Singer Jann Arden tops music awards By=20 SASKATOON -- Singer Jann Arden was the darling of the Prairie Music Awards = last night, winning three prizes including outstanding major-label album. The Calgary singer's smart and sensual songs from her fourth album, Blood R= ed Cherry, also led to awards for outstanding songwriter and outstanding po= p recording. Winnipeg duo McMaster and James, who were nominated in four categories, too= k home entertainer of the year, which was selected by a fan vote. Other winners last night included the Johner Brothers, who took home honour= s for outstanding video and producer, and Scruj MacDuhk, who walked away wi= th outstanding independent-label album and tied Eileen Laverty for outstand= ing roots recording. The Hall of Fame Award went to hometown star Joni Mitchell, who was unable = to attend the presentation. CP - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------- "Enter for your chance to win a Mercedes-Benz ML320 at Onvia.com, Canada's largest source for small business products, services, news and information. Click to enter now!" http://ads1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/AdletRedirect?redirect=3Dhttps://ww= w.onvia.com/canada/contests/index.cfm?idpromotion=3D5046&outfile=3Donvia_em= ail_text_gam.log - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------- Copyright 2000 | The Globe and Mail Visit the globeandmail.com Web Centre for your competitive edge. News: http://www.globeandmail.com Books: http://www.chaptersglobe.com Careers: http://www.globecareers.com Mutual Funds: http://www.globefund.com Stocks: http://www.globeinvestor.com ROB Magazine: http://www.robmagazine.com Technology: http://www.globetechnology.com ROBTv: http://www.robtv.com=20=20=20 Wheels: http://www.globemegawheels.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:00:18 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: That Song About the Midway (md) This is turning into something akin to one of those old Serials that played at the movies. Tune in next week as we go (echoey voice) in search of the mysterious midway man.........Kate, dont tell us unless we actually guess who the person was. When you used the line.... Like an eagle from the sky"...I was wondering if it was somehow a young Don Henly. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:10:42 EDT From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Foni Mitchell live Foni Mitchell will be playing at Folk Plus (The Boundary Hotel, Birmingham Road, Walsall, UK) on Wednesday 29th November, supporting singer-songwriter (and occasional Fairport Convention singer) Vikki Clayton. Music starts at 8.30 pm. Please visit www.folkplus.freeserve.co.uk for club details. This is a very nice music club with a great atmosphere, located in the basement of the hotel - a bit like The Cavern of Liverpool fame. Best wishes - have a good weekend. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:45:53 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Re: Five most recent CDs 1. Liverpool Sound Collage 2. petetownshend -- The Lifehouse Chronicles (6cd box, purchased at the recent Who concert and otherwise only available through petetownshend.co.uk) 3. Brian Wilson (1988 solo album remastered) 4. Brian Wilson Live At the Roxy (only available through brianwilson.com) 5. All 3 Lost A&M Phil Ochs albums, available on CD for the first time ever in the US through ccmusic.com (Pleasures of the Harbour, Tape From California, and Rehearsals For Retirement) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:36:40 -0500 From: "Susan" Subject: Re: Banquet--My Experience (LJC) > Lindsay wrote: When I was a senior in high school in 1974 and about a year into my Joni > insanity (which grows each day I'm happy to say) we had a class project > that we would make a videotape of what America meant to us or some such > thing. Not being able to think of anything original and feeling very > self-conscious, I recited the lyrics to "Banquet." > Wasn't that a time! When I was a senior in high school 1975, I too used "Banquet" in a school project! I went to an all girls Catholic BUT very liberal school (I know it's kind of an oxymoron). We had a kind of communal spirited alternative division, of which I belonged. We worked on creating a slide show on "Hunger in The City" and some brilliant person working on the project suggested using "Banquet" as the music for the show (taking my bows, thank you). It was a huge hit and we wound up touring with it to government agencies and schools, eventually it was listed with the Chicago Public Library. It no longer exists, but I am still pleased and proud of that piece. Thanks to Joni, I don't know if she realizes all the positive memories she has been a part of for so long, with so many of us! Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:52:58 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Edith in the aisles I've also heard "Edith" in a Grocery store in the past 2 months, and I'm pretty sure that at least one other JMDLer has said as much before. And now Paul I. So we can assume that some hipster somewhere has injected this one into the aural mix. It's being pulled down from the same satellite. So, when are we going to hear the "Jungle Line" while we wait in line? My breath, it is not being held. Bruce Don Rowe wrote: >I too, hear a lot of Joni in my local grocery store. >A tune every other week or so. Of course, it's >usually one of the 'hits' ... but so help me, this has >got to be the MOST obscure cut I've heard playing in a >public place. In this same grocery store, I'm stopped >dead in my tracks in amazement to hear: > >"Edith and the Kingpin" -- no kidding! > >Don Rowe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:29:33 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: RE: film - need help remembering the title NJC Relayer, I don't know why your query brought this film to mind, but how about "The Handmaiden's Tale" with Faye Dunaway and Sigourney Weaver? Just a thought! There are so many films that fit the general plot that it's a bit hard to focus on one. Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:51:39 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Crap, Neil Sedaka(NJC) Kate B. wrote "crap crap crap- the one that keeps coming up for me is how much I used to love Neil Sedaka. I don't remember if I actually bought anything of his though." His "comeback" in the mid-70's was fierce! Both "Sedaka's Back" and "The Hungry Years" are killer-crap albums! There's also a best of collection from this period which has an ample selection from both. -Chris. NP:The sounds of my cat washing himself after a traumatic vetrinary checkup. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:36:32 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Joni Top 15 Hard to narrow down, but I'll take Joni's cue and say that this is how I feel today; if I did this again tomorrow, it'd probably be different. 1.The Hissing of Summer Lawns 2.DJRD 3.Sweet Bird 4.Coyote 5.The Silky Veils of Ardor 6.Don't Interrupt The Sorrow 7.Electricity 8.This Flight Tonight 9.Court & Spark 10.Trouble Child 11.My Secret Place 12.Two Grey Rooms 13.Otis and Marlena 14.Blue Motel Room 15.Amelia That was difficult; looking at it, I feel as though it's a strange representation of my taste in Joni, but... I dunno, I used to love the early stuff when I was in high school; maybe I overdid it back then, cause the mid-late 70's is where I'm fascinated now. Cheers! -Chris ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:13:01 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Re: Robben v Robin and then Elizabeth NJC Thanks for giving dizzy miss lizzy (as we called her in college) a mention on the list! Elizabeth Fraser is an amazing vocalist, often overlooked and underrated. I've seen the Twins live 4 times, and each time has been better. The first time was for "Heaven or Las Vegas", and I was shocked to hear what her voice actually sounded like without the ethereal whitewash. By the time we got to the "Milk and Kisses" tour, Lizzy had it down pretty well. Rather than using a lot of vocal backing tapes to assimilate the studio sound, she picks ONE vocal line and sticks to it, making for somewhat of a re-invention of each song as she performs. Recent highlights from her world include 2 tracks with Massive Attack, and there is apparently some new Cocteau release due next year. Also, for those who like her and have never heard it, her version of "Song To The Siren" with This Mortal Coil (on the boxed set and also "Filagree and Shadow", I think) moves me to tears.-Chris NP:"Miss Moon" -Cree Summer ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:12:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Billy Elliot & Foreign Films (NJC) (md) - --- Jason Maloney wrote: > Catherine McKay wrote: > > > > Whenever you're tempted to think that the Brits > have > > it all in terms of good taste in films, remember > the > > Carry On series... > > > > ;) > > > Oooooooohhhhhh, I saaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy :-) > Sorry 'bout that - I was having one of those days where my fingers were typing faster than my brain! I must confess, sometimes I enjoy that really stupid humour in any case. NP -Pogues - South Australia _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 14:35:41 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Foreign Films In no order: Farewell My Concubine The Return of Martin Guerre L'Enfant Savage (The Wild Child) Amarcord The Postman Most disappointing: Life Is Beautiful Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 14:36:43 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: flicks NJC Jason Maloney wrote: > Oh, one more thing.. > > Azeem, you mention Buffalo 66...HMV are selling this for £4.99 at the > moment...now you've recommended it, I may take the plunge! Thanks. I'm from Buffalo and Buffalo '66 world premiered at my neighborhood theater, which was great. The movie got a very cool reception in Buffalo. Most did not like the way their town and its residents were portrayed. I personally think Christina Ricci can do no wrong. BTW, last night was the openingof the Tampa Bay Gay and Lesbian Film Festival. I have a 10 day pass and will attend every night. Last night's film, Sordid Lives, with Delta Burke, Beau Bridges, and Bonnie Bedelia was a hoot. It's always a great festival and has attendance upwards of 20,000. For anyone interested, I'll detail the highlights of all the movies and shorts if you email me and I'll put you on my distribution list. Jerry np: Basia - The Sweetest Illusion ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:54:06 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on Sky Here's the blurb on Sunday evening's program:- "Sky One goes undercover to get the low-down on the rich and famous by talking to their cleaners, gardeners, chauffeurs and even their pizza delivery boys". It's called "Chars to the Stars". I've just realised I'm going to be out but will video. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 02:10:57 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Little Wing being about Joni I've been interested in the latest line of threads re songs about who. I was telling a Jimi Hx fan tonight that I'd heard Little Wing might be about Joni. His disbelieving I looked into it further - lyrically only. There did seem to be a connection. Well she's walking through the clouds (Joni's Clouds) With a circus mind that's running wild (Joni's Circus crowds - I need the wind and I seek the cold? - I can't go back there anymore - there are places to come from and places to go - I hired a coach to take me from confusion to the plane) Butterflies and zebras and moonbeams and fairy tales (Joni's dragonfly and painted ponies and moons and Junes and fairy tales) That's all she ever thinks about Riding with the wind (self evident) When I'm sad she comes to me (Joni's appeal) With a thousand smiles she gives to me (the joy of Joni) It's a thought. Then again so much can be mis and construed, contorted into anything you put your mind to. As in 666 being the number of letters in Ronald Wilson Reagan. Fun play with Joni could be rife as in the anagram "Joni"ll itch me". Anagrams Both Sides Now - Dishonest Bow Court and Spark - Crap as to Drunks DJRD - Oh Jesus! A Drunkard Neglects For the Roses - Those of Errs SIQUOMB isn't she - Eh! Quit Miss Snob Ya'll have a good weekend Willy the Shake Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:29:50 +0100 From: "Steve Mitchell" Subject: Re: Stars & their Chars SJC IVPAUL42@aol.com > Sort of, except what are tea-ladies? Ladies who make tea! Stevie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:25:14 GMT From: steve@torchsongs.com Subject: Re: Definition of "Coyote" Knowing that Joni is fascinated with the Southwest and Native American folklore, I think of Coyote as being like their Coyote, who is a loner, but also a kind of trickster. I'm not an expert, but I think that the point of the mythic Coyote's actions is that he teaches the other characters in his tales about life and themselves - by charming, surprising (tricking), and sometimes infuriating them. Joni is lucky to be able to say "no regrets" in this context, because Coyote can do a lot of harm to the unenlightened. So, although it's from a different album, this song has somewhat of the flavor of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (the song) to me - that wisdom is being found from ancient sources - someone who is closer to nature, "up on your ranch". Your mileage may vary with this theory, but it's the suggestion I get from the song. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:30:57 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Garland NJC Eric Wilcox wrote: > > As for Judy Garland-- a good overview of her work is the Capitol Masters > release "Judy Garland: The London Sessions." The Carnegie concert is > excellent as well-- but all her standards are on the London CD. You really > ought ot have both-- the live disc really gets to express her stage > presence-- her charisma. And once you recognize that-- you can hear it in > every note she sings. I just got the 4 DVD set of The Judy Garland show and I can tell you it is absolutely amazing quality. If you are a fan it is essential. Jerry ( a friend of Dorothy's) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:31:56 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Garland and singers Mark or Travis wrote: > If you do > buy this, get the 2 cd version and avoid the edited single disk > version. The 2 cd set has some chatter & a couple of stories from > Judy that weren't on the original vinyl. Some of the songs are > actually cut from the single disk. Shades of Shadows & Light (and > Judy Conquering, not Scarlett). And if you have some extra coins, get the gold cd version. Worth every penny extra. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:59:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: More and more crap ... (NJC) Well, since we're on the subject, click on over to this bit of incredibly juvenile, but absolutely HILARIOUS bit of parody: http://www.zthing.com/zthings/oops.html Don Rowe ===== My debut CD "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:20:47 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: njc-episcopalians and same sex unions Congregations vote to go ahead with same-gender blessings by Jan Nunley (ENS) A North Carolina cathedral and a prominent Atlanta parish have publicly decided to offer blessings for committed same- gender couples, despite the refusal of the General Convention in Denver to authorize such rites. The parish council of the 400-member Cathedral of All Souls in Asheville, North Carolina, announced its decision during Sunday services September 26. According to senior warden Bob Yeager, a handful of worshipers walked out during an early-morning service, but at later gatherings, most of the congregation applauded. The decision is the culmination of two years of study by the parish and its leadership. Bishop Robert Johnson of the diocese of Western North Carolina said he was "supportive" of the decision as a response to pastoral needs. "We are a parish trying to be faithful to our beliefs," the Rev. Todd Donatelli, dean of the cathedral, told the Asheville Citizen-Times. "We see this as a matter of justice." Parity for all couples All Souls announced guidelines for the "Blessing of a Covenanted Relationship" which include membership in the parish for one year and demonstrated commitment by the couple. The 1,100-member Atlanta parish, St. Bartholomew's, has published guidelines that require virtually the same things of same-gender couples that are currently required of opposite- gender couples in the parish seeking to be united in holy matrimony. Couples must undergo three sessions with a pastoral counselor and one with the celebrating priest, who must be satisfied that the relationship is "right-intended"--that is, grounded in monogamy, fidelity and lifelong commitment. If there has been a significant relationship in the past of either member of the couple, the previous relationship must have been ended for a year before the current relationship can be blessed. The only difference in the requirements is that same-gender couples seeking blessing must be regularly attending members of the parish for at least nine months--a more rigorous requirement than heterosexual couples must meet. But within days of the announcement, St. Bartholomew's clergy and wardens were summoned to a two-hour meeting with the diocesan standing committee to discuss the matter. As ENS went to press, no decision had been made. The standing committee, which holds canonical authority in the absence of a bishop, has several options: let the parish's decision stand; issue a "godly admonition" forbidding same-gender blessings; or request to see the planned service and approve or disapprove it. The first same- gender blessing at the parish is planned for late October. Swift condemnation from conservatives The decision by the Asheville cathedral brought swift condemnation from a conservative organization, the American Anglican Council (AAC). "This deplorable action is further proof that the revisionists are willing and eager to split the Episcopal Church over their pro-homosexual agenda," said Bruce Mason, AAC media officer. "We appeal to Presiding Bishop Griswold to join us in denouncing All Souls decision and to warn other churches not to follow in the Cathedral's footsteps." July's General Convention was the second consecutive convention to decline to approve a liturgical form for same- gender blessings. - --The Rev. Jan Nunley is deputy director of the Episcopal Church's Office of News and Information. This list is operated by the Episcopal News Service. To unsubscribe, send any message to: leave-enslist@epicom.org from the address which is subscribed. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:22:22 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: njc - episcopalian top dog on hiv-aids A message from the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church on HIV/AIDS Dear brothers and sisters in Christ: For many years now the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church has asked congregations to set aside time each autumn for a Day of Prayer for Persons affected by HIV/AIDS and for all who have died of this disease. I commend those who have participated in this observance over the years, and urge individuals and congregations to join in this offering of prayer and set aside time as appropriate for you. I also encourage you to participate in World AIDS Day observations on December 1, 2000: through your own prayer, in your congregations, and in your community. Information on resources is available at the web site of the National Episcopal AIDS Coalition, which is www.neac.org. As limbs and members of the Body of Christ we share one another's burdens. This calls us to pray for all those affected and infected by HIV/AIDS, and also for medical research such that a cure may be found. We are well aware of the affects of the disease here in our own country; many of us have lost someone we love to HIV/AIDS or know someone whose life has been touched by it in some way. However, it is almost impossible to comprehend the devastation of HIV/AIDS on our sisters and brothers around the world. In some countries up to forty percent of the population is infected. Let us join in prayer for all affected by HIV/AIDS, remembering as well all those who suffer from any illness and disease of mind, body, or spirit. Let us share one another's burdens so we all may be strengthened by our oneness in spirit. Most particularly, let us give thanks for the love and healing power of the Risen Christ. Yours in Christ, The Most Rev. Frank T. Griswold Presiding Bishop and Primate This list is operated by the Episcopal News Service. To unsubscribe, send any message to: leave-enslist@epicom.org from the address which is subscribed. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 17:42:49 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: nonAmerican films NJC personal favorite nonAmerican films (in no particular order) Europa, Europa Ran Rashomon The Night of the Shooting Stars Swept Away (has much longer title, really, by Wertmiller) Das Boot Mestofile Fitzcarraldo Royal Hunt of the Sun Au Revoir Les Enfants Nosfertau (I know I am badly misspelling that but I am watching a most important baseball game) the Boys of St. Vincent I could easily add many, many more. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 17:54:41 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: nonAmerican films NJC opps... Forgot to include Trainspotting and Edward II. And while these were made by the BBC for television, Elizabeth R The Jewel in the Crown (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:41:03 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Jane Horrocks on Parky (NJC) Jane Horrocks' appearance on the Parkinson Show tonight was fascinating. She did a Shirley Bassey impersonation and then talked about what the 5 artists whose songs she does on the CD mean to her. She said that what attracts her to the work of Bassey, Holiday, Munroe, and Garland is that they all had tragedy in their lives and that it showed in their singing. She felt that her own singing voice is weak but when she projects herself into the role of these other women she could find a range and a voice that she doesn't otherwise have. She also said that although she has a unique speaking voice, her own singing voice is not unique and she's not satisfied with that so prefers to impersonate others. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 06:49:44 -0400 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Almost Famous-The Mailing List http://www.egroups.com/group/AlmostFamous I notice there was talk (but I didn't read any of the msg's) awhile back about Almost Famous. Well, I just saw the movie yesterday *loved it* (my fave movie is still American Beauty though, although I can relate to the concept of AF more.) So, if you are a fan of Cameron Crowe's film or know someone who is, and would like to join a discussion list for AF just click on the link above at the top of this email, and remember, don't do drugs! (My favourite line in the film.) Thanks, Carol ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 18:28:28 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: nonAmerican films NJC Nice topic. Some of my favorite non-american films are: Diva Sugar Cane Alley A Soldier's Daughter Never Cries The Milagro Beanfield War Seven Samarai Metropolis The 400 Blows Jean de Florett (Manon of Spring) - -Julius Vince Lavieri writes: << personal favorite nonAmerican films (in no particular order) Europa, Europa Ran Rashomon The Night of the Shooting Stars Swept Away (has much longer title, really, by Wertmiller) Das Boot Mestofile Fitzcarraldo Royal Hunt of the Sun Au Revoir Les Enfants Nosfertau (I know I am badly misspelling that but I am watching a most important baseball game) the Boys of St. Vincent I could easily add many, many more. (the Rev) Vince >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:4 +1000 From: john low Subject: Foreign Films NJC A German film that has left an indelible impression on my imagination (and I’ve only seen it once) is Werner Herzog’s “Aguirre: Wrath of God”. It stars Klaus Kinski as a Spanish conquistador descending into madness as he leads an expedition through the American wilderness in search of El Dorado. It really is a gripping and disturbing film! At the other end of the spectrum, I never tire of the light-hearted French comedy of Jacques Tati’s Monsieur Hulot – “Monsieur Hulot’s Holiday” and “Mon Oncle”. The first sees Monsieur Hulot bumbling his way through a holiday at a seaside resort and the second has him visiting his very fashionable relatives who live in a ridiculous futuristic house containing every conceivable electonic gadget imaginable. Both films contain some magical comic moments. Cheers, John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:24:41 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Midway game Hey thanks for playing the Midway game with me! Kakki wins the big stuffed animal! You know I always loved this song too & never really attributed to anyone in particular (I thought it was about some big handsome black guy working at a carnival). I hope I didn't ruin it for anyone. For a long time I kept it to myself but it seemed as if I ought to share it because it only underlines the brilliance of her songwriting skill. Once again. I know some folks are skeptical on how I know this & that is okay. In my mind it will always be about that carnie guy anyway. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:35 +1000 From: john low Subject: Definition of "Coyote" (NJC) Lindsay quoted: "A 'coyote' is a person who has learned the hard lessons of life and has grown from mistakes and difficulties. A coyote cuts through confusion and phoniness with heartfelt honesty, never pulls punches and always makes room for compassion ..." Poet, Gary Snyder, wrote a very interesting essay (“The Incredible Survival of Coyote”) on the use of the Coyote character in contemporary poetry and art, published in his collection of essays “A Place in Space”. Coyote, whose origins lie in Native American lore, is “always travelling, he’s really stupid, he’s kind of bad – in fact, he’s really aweful, he’s outrageous. … But most of the time he’s just into mischief.” John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:36:05 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: nonAmerican films NJC This started out as a "foreign films" thread, so I'd just like to throw a couple in from my perspective here in the UK. There's a wealth of French cinema to explore - most of which I haven't, yet, seen. However, a couple that stick in my memory are:- Les Roseaux Sauvage (Wild Reeds): Gentle coming of age film. No villains, just wonderfully observed interaction between a group of friends about to leave college in France during the Alegerian War. Sitcom: Outrageous black comedy (you'll need a broad mind for it) where the opening scene of the film is actually the end of the story, the remainder of the film working up to that already viewed scene. Only Scary Movie made me laugh more ;) Sublime to rediculous? I guess. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:51:10 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Condolences (NJC) Seattle Mariners 2 Chicago White Sox 1 Deep condolences to the good Reverend. - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 23:30:29 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Jane Horrocks on Parky (NJC) When I heard all the other guests Parky said would be on the show, I didn't expect there to be time for Jane Horrocks to be interviewed. I was glad she got a chnace to talk (or rather, I was glad I got a chance to see her talk!). Despite that accent (is it Yorkshire? I'm not always so good with picking out dialects), I was still strangely fascinated by her. She was animated, kooky and totally self-effacing. You can be drawn to a person by so many things. The thing with the singing, for me, was that outside of the Little Voice film, there isn't quite the same impact, as that remarkable transition of her character in the film is absent. Surely that was much of the appeal, and why we were all so gobsmacked? It was a good show all round. I don't always watch it, it depends on the guests, but Sir Nigel Hawthorne and Patrick Kielty were a hoot. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 21:10:35 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: Definition of "Coyote" steve@torchsongs.com wrote: > Knowing that Joni is fascinated with the Southwest > and Native American folklore, I think of Coyote as > being like their Coyote, who is a loner, but also a kind > of trickster. I'm not an expert, but I think that the > point of the mythic Coyote's actions is that he teaches the > other characters in his tales about life and themselves - > by charming, surprising (tricking), and sometimes infuriating them. > Steve....you are absolutely right in your thoughts about Coyote as a trickster and a teacher of life lessons. and coyote is actually quite smart too. with no regrets either, Mags np: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:17:16 -0400 From: "Marilyn Huggins" Subject: Siquomb Can anyone please tell me what "siquomb" means? I know its the name of Joni's publishing co., but anything else? Boston Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:23:35 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Midway game SJC Oh it was fun. I always thought it was about Hendrix, but what the hell do I know? You had me searching the net Kate for clues. LOL I did a search for Leonard Cohen sites and came up with this one. WOW, if you like Cohen, check this out. www.leonardcohenfiles.com Indeed yet another labor of love. Everyone there seems to agree that Rainy Night House was written about Leonard Cohen Did anyone know he was ordained as a Zen Buddhist monk on August 9, 1996, when he was given the Dharma name of Jikan (Silent One)? He has a new live album to be released November 21st. There is also a new poetry book he is putting the finishing touches on. Here is a new poem he has written: GOOD ADVICE FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME behind the pain someone is rejoicing behind the torture there is love who's going to buy this bullshit if you don't become the ocean you'll be seasick every day See now if you hadn't started this, I wouldn't have stumbled on this site. Thanks Kate Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:26:00 -0400 From: "Marilyn Huggins" Subject: Re: Mystery of Cat Stevens I loved Cat Stevens in the 70's. I still have "Tea for the Tillerman". Was always sorry he left music, but I understand now why he did. Boston Marilyn - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dsk" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:28 PM Subject: Mystery of Cat Stevens > For Cat Stevens fans or anyone curious about why he disappeared from the > music scene, the show 20/20 Downtown on ABC (in the U.S.) has a segment > on him tonight (the last 3rd of show). The promo claims to solve this > mystery. > > Debra Shea > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:31:32 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: RE: SIQUOMB In a message dated 10/6/00 9:23:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hugginsm@Prodigy.net writes: << Can anyone please tell me what "siquomb" means? I know its the name of Joni's publishing co., but anything else? Boston Marilyn >> . She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind Beauty Do I get a gold star? Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:38:54 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mystery of Cat Stevens In a message dated 10/6/00 9:29:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hugginsm@prodigy.net writes: << I loved Cat Stevens in the 70's. I still have "Tea for the Tillerman". Was always sorry he left music, but I understand now why he did. Boston Marilyn >> Marilyn, If you like Cat Stevens there's an official website at www.catstevens.com. There's a chat room and a message board there as well. I think you might be surprised. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:42:15 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Leonard Cohen, was Re: Midway game NJC In a message dated 10/6/00 6:31:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, RoseMJoy@aol.com writes: << if you don't become the ocean you'll be seasick every day >> I love Cohen. This is a nice companion to his: "and Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water and he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower. and when he knew for certain only drowning men could see him, he said all men will be sailors then until the sea shall free them....." Cohen spends most, (maybe all) of his time in a Zen monastery out here in California. His poetry is really something else, full of godliness indeed. MG ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #533 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?