From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #529 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Thursday, October 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 529 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Kathy Lee's Crap [Dottie Hinkel ] Re: 5 Most Recent Purchases ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: crap, crap, crap NJC [Jason Maloney ] Wang Chung (njc) [evian ] Re: more crap...NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] more crap...(njc) [evian ] Re: NJC Jane Horrocks [Jason Maloney ] Teddy Thompson njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Garland & singers (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] The Last Waltz [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #383 [Nancy ] DJRD - vinyl version [Nancy ] Here's a Conversation [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Madonna NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] "Banquet" [Relayer211@aol.com] You guys are a terrible (WONDERFUL!) influence!! (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: DJRD - vinyl version [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: DJRD - vinyl version NJC ["cassy" ] Re: Teddy Thompson njc [dsk ] Re: Teddy Thompson njc ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:35:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Dottie Hinkel Subject: Kathy Lee's Crap Kathy Lee singing "Both Sides Now"?!!!! Where's my vomit bag? Some overlooked crap: "Afternoon Delight" by???, "Run, Joey,Run," by????, "You Light Up My Life," by Debs Boone, "Me So Horney," by????, "Saturday Night," by the Bay City Rollers, and virtually anything ever recorded by Mariah Carey, Brittney Spears, 90 Degrees et al. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:39:11 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: 5 Most Recent Purchases > > e) Destiny's Child - The Writing's On The Wall > > I used to hate this stuff, all of it. Now I've come around (a bit!). Bug > A Boo was the one which sealed it for me. A good friend has said the > album isn't so great, and I should avoid. Should I? TLC's Fanmail is > another album in the genre which I have discovered I really quite like > after all. > > Jason (hoping Paul Simon's newie arrives tomorrow). Jill Scott - Who is Jill Scott? is THE best R&B record of the year and certainly one of the best pop records released this year. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:39:38 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: 5 Most Recent Purchases (NJC) > > e) Destiny's Child - The Writing's On The Wall > > I used to hate this stuff, all of it. Now I've come around (a bit!). Bug > A Boo was the one which sealed it for me. A good friend has said the > album isn't so great, and I should avoid. Should I? TLC's Fanmail is > another album in the genre which I have discovered I really quite like > after all. > > Jason (hoping Paul Simon's newie arrives tomorrow). Jill Scott - Who is Jill Scott? is THE best R&B record of the year and certainly one of the best pop records released this year. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:40:46 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: 5 Most Recent Purchases NJC Brenda J. Walker wrote: > > Jill Scott - Who is Jill Scott? is THE best R&B record of the year and > certainly one of the best pop records released this year. I always think of Jill Jones when I hear her name mentioned (I have no idea what Ms Scott sounds like). Oh, the curse of being such a huge Prince fan during the mid-80s....all those "proteges" of his whose careers never took off. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:45:28 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: crap, crap, crap NJC john low wrote: > > Hi jmdlers, > > And, Jason & Kakki, I'm afraid I've never heard of Wang Chung! Either > their music never made it to Australia or (more likely) I've been an > "old fart" in my musical tastes for much longer than I thought! ...who could ever forget the immortal "Everybody Wang Chung Tonight"? I believe they have a Best Of/Greatest Hits out...that's one I must look for. Fire In The Twilight (from the Breakfast Club movie) is a song I am missing from my WC collection. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:50:59 -0600 From: evian Subject: Wang Chung (njc) Kakki and Jason, Wang Chung rocks! I still listen to them! Of course, "Dance Hall Days" is a classic, but I am almost as drawn to "To Live and Die in L.A." -- What an awesome f-ing song!!!! I wish I could find the damn thing on cd here. Thanks for reminding me to play some Wang Chung! Thank the good Lord Wednesday is almost over, Evian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:56:44 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: more crap...NJC > << I just have to say it: "I Will > Always Love You," by Whitney Houston! >> > > by Dolly Parton. give the songwriter her due, please. > I don't hold Dolly responsible. Whitney made a travesty of a good song. Listen to Linda Ronstadt's version from 'Prisoner in Disguise'. It's a great torcher but Whitney oversang the life right out of it. Dolly's version ain't bad either. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:54:40 -0600 From: evian Subject: more crap...(njc) > "I've Never > Been To Me by???? > LOLOL, oh I love that one too!!!! When my friend Susan and I went to "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" when it was in theatres, and they had that playing in the opening, we both just started laughing... and laughing... and laughing. We both were in grade 7 when the song was on the charts, and at the time thought it was so "deep." Well anyway, to hear it on the movie, we both got the giggles -- the kind where you hold your gut and cry and fear you will pass out, and basically made asses of ourselves. Anyway, just had to share. Evian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 03:19:09 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: NJC Jane Horrocks Hell wrote: > > Humour aside, I am a fan of Jane Horrocks. I haven't seen any of her > movies, but I've seen her a lot on television, and she always plays such > vastly different roles - and always to perfection. I loved her (no, make that *adored* her) in Little Voice, she had me spellbound, captivated by her performance and talents. Sadly, that's pretty much all I've seen of her. I was in strictly non TV-watching mode during the AbFab years (and anything else she may have done between 1987 and 1998). I want to see more! For UK listers, Jane is going to be one of Michael Parkinsons' guests this Friday on BBC1 at 9.30pm. I dare not miss it... Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:51:20 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Teddy Thompson njc I heard him sing when he played a show here with his dad. Bone chilling beautiful voice. I talked with him after the show (while everyone else was trying to meet his Dad, I wanted to tell Teddy how wonderful he was) & asked him if he had a cd. He said no, something about not having a record deal. So it sounds like he got one! I can't remember the song he did but it was great, hope its on the cd. What's the name of the cd & when will it be out? ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:03:33 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Garland & singers (NJC) Also remember in a Joni interview in DownBeat where she said that > Charles Mingus' favorite singer was Judy Garland, to which she expressed > surprise, thinking his favorite singers would probably have been Bessie Smith > or Billie. Anyway I thought I would look thru Judy Garlands section and > perhaps pick up something (I think Live at Carnegie Hall is definitive, > right?). I'll have to look that article up. Live at Carnegie Hall isn't just a recording. It's a record of a phenomenon - the Garland concert. I just read a bio of Judy recently that describes that performance as the closest thing to perfection any entertainer has ever achieved. I don't know that I'd go that far but one thing is evident from listening to that record: audiences responded to Garland in a way that few entertainers ever experience. There is deafening applause from the moment she hits the stage that lasts for a inordinate amount of time. Toward the end of the concert when she tells the audience that there are only two songs that the orchestra has left to play, there are many shouts of 'do 'em both!' She does after asking 'Do you really want more, aren't you tired?' and getting a resounding 'NO!' from the audience. The final roaring ovation goes on & on & on. Apparently this was not uncommon at one of her concerts. If you do buy this, get the 2 cd version and avoid the edited single disk version. The 2 cd set has some chatter & a couple of stories from Judy that weren't on the original vinyl. Some of the songs are actually cut from the single disk. Shades of Shadows & Light (and Judy Conquering, not Scarlett). I got to thinking about somebody's comment about Madonna's being 'just a good vocalist'. Opinions about Madonna aside, I feel like I have to examine that statement a bit if not downright take issue with it. I was listening to Emmylou Harris's 'Wrecking Ball' on the way home from work when that post popped into my head. Up until her most recent effort, Emmylou has been mostly a covers artist. Certainly Daniel Lanois' production of 'Wrecking Ball' is a large part of what makes it so wonderful and I believe it to be one of the best recordings of the 90s. But I think it would be wrong to downplay the part that Emmylou's vocals play in creating the beauty of WB. A top drawer vocalist can illuminate & even improve the material they are performing. In the case of WB, there was also some top drawer material but Emmylou's vocal interpretations put every track into another realm. Her singing is the raison d'etre for all the beautiful playing & production on Wrecking Ball, imo. Ever since people like Joni, Dylan, Lennon & McCartney, Carole King, James Taylor, Carly Simon and others came on the scene, writing the material has almost seemed to be a requirement for any singer that wants to be taken seriously. But not everybody who can sing can write. Some, like Emmylou, have managed to carve their own niche but they have to be damn good to do it and have excellent taste in the material they choose to perform. But to say someone is 'merely a vocalist' seems to me to be belittling and wrong. Would you call Ella Fitzgerald, Aretha Franklin, Dusty Springfield, Barbra Streisand, Judy Garland, Patsy Cline, Linda Ronstadt, Emmylou Harris, k d lang, Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett, Billie Holiday, Nat King Cole, Johnny Hartman or Janis Joplin merely vocalists just because they don't (or don't always, in the case of k d) write their own material? I love Joni & have the profoundest respect for anybody who can write & perform good music. But I think a great singer deserves their due as well. Joni herself has pointed out that pop music used to be much more compartmentalized in the production of songs. There was a writer and a lyricist and a singer and they were very rarely all the same person at one point in time. Sometimes those collaborations produced some wonderful results. And sometimes the singer made the song whether he or she wrote it or not. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:04:33 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: The Last Waltz I just saw "The Last Waltz" on video.What a wonderful bunch of perfomers and songs.It was great to hear and see Joni sing "Coyote".I also thought Neil Diamond did a great job.I'm a fan of his,especially his early work. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:25:20 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #383 Cassy, Don't know if I missed something along the way, but what does SIQUOMB stand for? Nancy/IA > I am now the proud owner of a new personalized license plate on my auto: > > SIQUOMB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:48:50 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: DJRD - vinyl version I was pulling out all my JM albums tonight, and found DJRD. It had the cellophane wrapper on it (just slit open on the edge), and what I found interesting was that the price sticker said $2.99 (from Target). I have probably had it since before I got married, so at least 20 years. I'm sure that was a great price even back then! It took awhile for my 11 year old son and I to get the turntable working, but we did it! (Actually it was the speakers that weren't working, but at the time we didn't know *what* was wrong!) These modern electronics are ridiculous; so many different buttons to accidentally push! Am looking forward to listening to all my albums when I get time (stereo is upstairs/'puter is in the basement). :-( TTYL, Nancy/IA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:52:58 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Here's a Conversation Since so many of you are knowledgeable about Joni's songs and lyrics, who do you think Joni was talking about in her song "Conversation" from her Clouds album. Who might "She" and "He" be? I'd really like to know your opinions. Thanks, Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:35:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Madonna NJC Michael or anyone- I seem to remember that she cowrote songs with a guy named Patrick (forget the last name). Does she still? I don't have her cds but wonder if she has any songs where she gets all the songwriting credit. Or is she always cowriting? Does she play an instrument? I agree with you that of her hits, Live to Tell was wonderful. I guess I am someone who neither loves nor hates Madonna, sometimes I cringe, sometimes I am fascinated. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:35:13 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: "Banquet" One of my favorite Joni songs is "Banquet",the first song on FTR.The song really sais so much about life on earth in this day and age.Does anyone else love this song? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:58:29 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: You guys are a terrible (WONDERFUL!) influence!! (NJC) I haven't posted much lately, but I have been reading! First, Garrett wrote about a great singer/songwriter: Sam Shaber, and her article in a book called Songwriting and the Guitar. OK, I'll bite. It's got an article about Joni in it also with a picture to boot, so I bought it. Then, I heard Edie Carey on our local folk station, WUMB, and thought it was great, so I order that too. In asking if anyone has ever heard of her before, this morning I read Kate's post (from CA) telling me that Edie AND Sam are playing at Club Passim TONIGHT! Of course, I can't possibly go. I almost never go out on a school night, except if there is a meeting at school for the parents. I am tired. I can't leave the kids (even though they are teenagers at this point). My house is a wreck. I was going to put things away tonight. I was going to finish the last newsletter tonight. It's all the way in Boston. Too far. Too late. Too ridiculous. Not possible. Then I think of all the wonderful CD's that I have because I heard about them from this list, and never would have known about these artists if it wasn't for you. I think about Club Passim, and the history of the club formally known as Club 47. The place where artists like Joni, Tom Rush, Richard and Mimi Farina, and countless others have played. I think about the fact that I have lived in the Boston area for 23 years, and still haven't made it to this club that I have been yearning to go to. Oh, what the hell. In to Boston (actually Cambridge) I go. The club is very small. Intimate. Wonderful. Sam and Edie are joined by Anne O'Meara Heaton, in a "round" where the three of them are on stage, and take turns singing songs, sometimes joining in harmonies for about 1 1/2 hours. Incredible. All three moving singer/songwriters with great stage presence. Of course I leave Passim several dollars poorer, because I must have their CD's. I tell Sam Shaber the reason I was there tonight was because of a guy in Ireland (she remembers you Garrett, and says hi) and Kate Bennett from CA. She laughs, and is very impressed that I got there tonight via Ireland and CA. It was a GREAT, very impulsive night. Thank you Garrett. Thank you Kate. If you want me from now on, I'll be at Club Passim. (How the HELL did it take me 23 years to get there?) Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:55:59 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD - vinyl version In a message dated 10/4/00 11:58:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, artsq@home.com writes: << I was pulling out all my JM albums tonight, and found DJRD. It had the cellophane wrapper on it (just slit open on the edge), >> I have always heard that one should remove the cellophane wrapper as soon as you open the album, because the uneven pressure it causes can lead to warpage over long periods of time. I know people like to leave the cellophane to protect the looks of the cover, but a looser-fitting plastic bag serves that purpose much better. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:07:24 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: DJRD - vinyl version NJC Paul I said: >I have always heard that one should remove the cellophane wrapper as soon as >you open the album, because the uneven pressure it causes can lead to warpage >over long periods of time. > I know people like to leave the cellophane to protect the looks of the >cover, but a looser-fitting plastic bag serves that purpose much better. I had always heard that one should remove the cellophane but I'm pretty sure it had to do with the static created when sliding the LPs in and out of the crate and the dust attracted, as a result, to the grooves on the record. I still have an extensive collection of vinyl, including some "badge edition" Police; picture disks - Rolling Stones, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Mollie Hatchet (don't ask!) and several others. I have an awesome collection of colored vinyl - multi-colour Dave Mason "Alone Together," clear vinyl Captain Beefheart's "Clear Spot" clear vinyl Lenny Kravitz "Are You Gonna Go My Way" that came with a limited edition CD (8 unreleased tracks) enclosed and one of my favorites.... Split Enz "True Colours" this has fabulous laser etching on the vinyl of the LP. I could go on and on about vinyl, I took really good care of my records. I still have almost 2,000 LPs and I play some of them regularly especially those I can't replace on CD like Terry Reid's "River" and Phil Ochs "Pleasures of the Harbor" I didn't mean to go on and on about vinyl... I am an avid enthusiast and collector, if given a chance, I love to talk about them. Thanks for listening Cassy NP Jimmie Dale Gilmore "Spinning Around the Sun" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:22:04 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Teddy Thompson njc His debut cd is titled _Teddy Thompson_ and it came out on August 29th. There's been a lot of talk about it on the Richard Thompson list, with mostly favorable comments and reviews, although when compared to his dad (hard to avoid that apparently) Teddy's considered a lightweight by some, not as impressive a guitarist and having a more romantic gentle attitude than his father does. Teddy does have a beautiful, sweet sounding voice though so that might influence his songwriting. His website is http://www.teddythompson.com. Some of the pages aren't working well right now but you can see photos and lyrics if you're interested. And to give you a little more information, here's a review from the RT list: "Over two years in the making, Teddy Thompson's self-titled debut is an impressive debut with a smart, distinctive pop sound. Produced by Joe Henry and featuring Rufus Wainwright, Jon Brion, Emmylou Harris, Greg Leisz and Teddy's father, Richard, the 10 songs on this album recall Crowded House and early Beatles. Teddy inherited his father's extraordinary guitar ability as showcased on the song 'Wake Up.' The duet with Emmylou Harris - a cover of 'I Wonder If I Care As Much' by the Everly Brothers is a tender and beautiful song, closing out the album as a hidden track." The only negative comment on the list about this review was disagreeing with the "extraordinary guitar ability" description (RT's probably doing that impressive playing on "Wake Up"), but Teddy is only 24 after all. Seems like a very good start for him. Debra Shea Kate Bennett wrote: > I heard him sing when he played a show here with his dad. Bone chilling > beautiful voice. I talked with him after the show (while everyone else was > trying to meet his Dad, I wanted to tell Teddy how wonderful he was) & asked > him if he had a cd. He said no, something about not having a record deal. So > it sounds like he got one! I can't remember the song he did but it was > great, hope its on the cd. What's the name of the cd & when will it be out? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:35:39 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Teddy Thompson njc Debra wrote: > The only negative comment on the list about this review was >disagreeing with the "extraordinary guitar ability" description >(RT's probably doing that impressive playing on "Wake Up"), >but Teddy is only 24 after all. Seems like a very good start >for him. Earlier this year while on my way to the Largo to see Aimee Mann, I happened upon an interview and live in-studio concert on 103.1 with Richard and Teddy. Their collaboration was astounding and was one of the most transcendent experiences I've ever had from car radio music listening. I agonized over shutting off the ignition and leaving the car. It was very clear that Richard was enormously proud of Teddy. I agree you can't compare him to Richard....yet.... but he has just as much core talent, absolutely. Thanks to Azeem for the information - it's good to hear about the new album. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #529 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?