From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #526 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 3 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 526 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC Jane Horrocks ["Hell" ] I'm on tee vee! (njc) [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: I'm on tee vee! (njc) [catman ] Re: NJC Jane Horrocks [catman ] Peggy's Blue Skylight (Mingus-related) ["Kakki" ] 5 most recent purchases NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] 5 most recent purchases (NJC) ["Bill Pearson" ] Re: The sounds of your voices are still new.... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: a crap confession - NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #385 [Hejira8@aol.com] Re: a crap confession - NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NY radio station (sorta NJC) [BarBearUh ] Re: Topsfield mp3's are up [Jerry Notaro ] Re: 5 recent purchases...(NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: NY radio station (sorta NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Janis - NJC [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] RE:top 5 purchases.. NJC ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Last 5 albums bought (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] RE:cat stevens 'mystery' ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: a crap confession - NJC [MDESTE1@aol.com] re: Embedded nuggets ["c Karma" ] Re: cat stevens 'mystery'NJC [catman ] Re: a crap confession - NJC [catman ] Re: Madge's "Music" NJC [michael w yarbrough ] Re: 5 recent purchasesNJC [michael w yarbrough ] RE: Top 15 joni songs ["Lance Parauka" ] Re: 5 recent purchasesNJC [michael w yarbrough ] RE: Top 15 joni songs [Don Rowe ] Re: Madge's "Music" NJC [catman ] Re: Madge's "Music" NJC [Don Rowe ] Joni Lookalike?? (VLJC) [Lindsay Moon ] Fwd: Re: 5 recent purchases... [Susan McNamara ] Re: Joni Lookalike?? (now NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Fwd: Top 15 joni songs [Susan McNamara ] Re: Madge's "Music" NJC [michael w yarbrough ] NJC un pc bears [catman ] Re: Madge's "Music" NJC [catman ] Re: 5 Recent Purchases (NJC) [JRMCo1@aol.com] Crap Top 5 NJC ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Top 15 ["Brenda J. Walker" ] RE: a crap confession- NJC ["Garret" ] The Joni Mitchell Companion ? ["Steve" ] Crap Crap Crap NJC [Jason Maloney ] Re: Top 15 joni songs [Jason Maloney ] Re: Madge's "Music" NJC [Jason Maloney ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:57:07 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: NJC Jane Horrocks Joseph wrote: > (eagerly awaiting Jane Horrocks' album "More Adventures of Little Voice" > where she sang a la Marilyn Monroe, Marlene Dietrich, Billie Holiday, Judy > Garland and Shirley Bassey, much like what she did in the film LITTLE > VOICE. Aside from being a Horrocks fan (since her performance in Mike > Leigh's "Life Is Sweet"), she also did a duet in the album with another > favorite: Ewan McGregor) It's hard to believe that the woman who played "Bubble" (possibly the stupidest woman ever) on Absolutely Fabulous could produce an album! I mean, Bubble is the woman who got to work 3 hours early because the breakfast news said there would be big delays because of a strike on the buses - and she walks to work from around the corner! She also bought a lap-dog instead of a lap-top, and is always surprised that New Year's Eve happens every year "always on the same day - like clockwork". Humour aside, I am a fan of Jane Horrocks. I haven't seen any of her movies, but I've seen her a lot on television, and she always plays such vastly different roles - and always to perfection. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 04:22:51 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: I'm on tee vee! (njc) Hey everybody - Excuse the impersonal form letter. A taping of TO TELL THE TRUTH featuring *me* airs at 7:30, Wednesday, October 4, channel nine in Los Angeles. The same show most likely airs in other parts of the USA on the same day but probably at a different time. Check your local listings. If you are watching the show outside of CA, I am in the first sequence, so if you don't see me, it's not the right episode. I talk about my old job as a professional movie watcher for George Lucas. Later this month, I will appear on BLIND DATE in their first sequence ever featuring two males. I date someone with a mysterious past named Jeff Stryker who says he is retired from whatever line of work he used to do. Jeff wanted a second date, but I only want to be friends as we just didn't click and he was a little bossy. best to everyone, Clark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:46:08 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: I'm on tee vee! (njc) > I date someone with a mysterious past named Jeff > Stryker who says he is retired from whatever line of work he used to do. > Jeff wanted a second date, but I only want to be friends as we just didn't > click and he was a little bossy. THE Jeff Stryker? If so, then he probably retired because he is knackered! > > > best to everyone, > > Clark - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:44:34 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Jane Horrocks > > > Humour aside, I am a fan of Jane Horrocks. I haven't seen any of her > movies, but I've seen her a lot on television, and she always plays such > vastly different roles - and always to perfection. Jane is an excellent singer and a fantastic mimic/impersonator. She can sing Bassey, Striesand, Garland, you name it. Truly amazing. I am surprised she isn't much more famous but perhaps there isn't really a market for her talents. A very funny person too and she can act. We saw the film Little Voice and were disappointed. Not in her but in her mother(can't recall her name right now) who is normally a very good actress but thought she was over the top in this movie. Oh, Brenda Blethyn. She first came to prominence here in a murder mystery series wwhre she played a lesbian who, if memeory serves me(it was 81), was the murderer. bw colin > > > Hell > ____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:54:51 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Peggy's Blue Skylight (Mingus-related) While listening to the tape recorded phone message at the Jazz Bakery today, I learned that Andy Summer's show this week (starting Tuesday and extended through Sunday) is in connection with the Sept. 26th release of his tribute to Mingus album "Peggy's Blue Skylight." I checked out his website for more information and oh my my look at the songs and performers: Track listing BOOGIE STOP SHUFFLE TONIGHT AT NOON REINCARNATION OF A LOVEBIRD OPUS THREE CUMBIA JAZZ FUSION REMEMBER ROCKEFELLER AT ATTICA PEGGY'S BLUE SKYLIGHT WEIRD NIGHTMARE GOODBYE PORK PIE HAT (Where Can A Man Find Peace) FREE CELL BLOCK F SELF PORTRAIT IN THREE COLOURS MYSELF WHEN I AM REAL Featuring: Deborah Harry - Vocals Q Tip - Vocals Randy Brecker - Trumpet The Kronos Quartet Geetha Bennet - Veena & Vocals Dave Carpenter - Bass Joel Taylor - Drums Nick Ariondo - Accordian Alison Wedding - Vocals John Novello - Organ Hank Roberts - Cello Brian Kilgore - Percussion from the JAZZ PASSENGERS: Roy Nathanson - Sax Curtis Fowlkes - Trombone Rob Thomas - Violin Bill Ware - Vibraphone WOW Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:13:57 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: 5 most recent purchases NJC After hearing Victor do that set of Neil Young at JoniFest, I had to go out and buy Niel Young-Crazy Horse Everybody Knows This is Nowhere Mary Chapin Carpenter-Party Doll Victor Johnson- Tangled Leonard Cohen- The Best of Joni Mitchell- For the Roses - -Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:35:15 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: 5 most recent purchases (NJC) More than 5 because I'm very greedy! Radiohead - Kid A Bjork - SelmaSongs Lewis Taylor - Lewis 2 Guru's Jazzmatazz - Streetsoul Martyn Bennet & Martin Low - Hardland The Waterboys - A Rock In The Weary Land David Bowie - Bowie At The Beeb Bill NP: Geddy Lee-My Favorite Headache (wow) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:30:16 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The sounds of your voices are still new.... <> Welcome, Neil, looking forward to hearing more from you, or as Willy the Shake would say... Lay on, MacDuff! :~D Bob NP: The Roots, "Without A Doubt" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:50:22 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: a crap confession - NJC Bob Murphy wrote: << Is there a crappy song you admit to liking or even loving? >> Oh there are tons of them, but my friends tease me for singing Debarge's "All This Love" :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:16:18 EDT From: Hejira8@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #385 Hi all, I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one encountering Joni while shopping for my household items! I have a question. The website lists the artists that will be appearing on the upcoming "A Case of Joni" album, but does anyone know what artists will be performing what songs? I'm particularly interested in what Elvis Costello and Bjork will be doing. :) Eric N. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:23:38 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: a crap confession - NJC <> If it's crap then it's not great! There's lots of stuff I think is great that others think is crap, and vice versa...I think we can fall into the trap (the crap trap?) that if we enjoy a simple pop song or a banal lyric or a cheesy instrumental sound it's a guilty pleasure, and maybe it is, but I certainly wouldn't call it crap. That being said, what I like that falls into this category: All the early America stuff Moonlight Feels Right, by Starbuck Boogie Oogie Oogie, by Taste of Honey All the hits by Tommy Roe (Dizzy, Sweet Pea, Sheila, etc) Probably lots of others, after all I am a music slut of highest power! :~) Bob NP: Linda Ronstadt, "High Sierra" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:35:18 -0400 From: BarBearUh Subject: NY radio station (sorta NJC) i remember this coming up before - there's a radio station in NY (upstate i believe) that plays joni a lot. it has an F in the call letters, i believe. does anyone know what i'm talking about and/or if they have a website for streaming? or any other online radio recommendations? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:47:12 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Topsfield mp3's are up Steve, I'm listening to them now as I write. What a great treat for those who were not there. Thanks so much. Jerry np: the wonderful Claudia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:46:22 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: 5 recent purchases...(NJC) 1) Five O'clock Shadow Wonders Of The World 2) Capercaillie- Nadurra 3) Carrie Newcomer- Age Of Possibility 4) Edie Carey- Falling Places 5) Erica Wheeler Harvest Of course, the big question is: has anyone ever heard of any of these artists? ;-) Also bought, because I needed to have some new music in my life: The Corrs- In Blue Four Bitchin Babes- Babes Beyond Bitchin' Guster- Goldfly Fairport Convention- Wood & The Wire Rickie Lee Jones- It's Like This Barbra Streisand- Timeless-Live In Concert YEEE HAAAAA!!!!!!! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:49:03 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NY radio station (sorta NJC) BarBearUh wrote: > i remember this coming up before - there's a radio station in NY > (upstate i believe) that plays joni a lot. it has an F in the call > letters, i believe. does anyone know what i'm talking about and/or if > they have a website for streaming? or any other online radio recommendations? WMNF in Tampa. They stream, and the love Joni. Jerry np: Victor and company - Angel From Montgomery ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:50:18 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: joni in top guitarists this show may have run before and may have been on the list before, but i just saw it for the first time last night. it was the top 20 guitarists and joni was number 17. that was interesting to me because the list was mostly rock - mode lead - players as opposed to open tunings and chords. they described joni properly as a misunderstood musician who is not a folk singer, but rather an arranger of complex musical presentations. there were some video clips of her playing her electric in a round theater. it was a decent show but i fell asleep around number 14 and never saw the rest. patrick np. supertramp - crisis what crisis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:17:51 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Car plates (NJC) I have vanity plates on one of the two family cars. De regeur in Southern California, they're considered very un-hip and garish in New York. Tough darts. My current plate quotes Shakespeare and the Bard never goes out of style. If I were choosing plates in a Joni theme, I'd pick "SCALES" for my daily driver and "FEATHERS" for the family wagon. CC "You know, 'Neither a borrower nor a lender be.'"-- JM _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:39:57 EDT From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: Janis - NJC Bob, You're so lucky to have attended that concert. A bootleg was released of excerpts from that show. If you need a copy of it, let me know. - Scott In a message dated Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:47:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 10/2/00 10:16:05 PM, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << on Wednesday, 4 October, I won't be here to post my reminder of the passing of Janis Joplin, 30 years this year. I still get a tear in my eye. >> Me, too. My favorite Janis story is from one of her last concerts -- the only time I ever saw her in person -- at the Harvard Stadium in Cambridge, Massachusetts the summer before she died. Midway through the concert, between songs, a group of guys started yelling, "Janis, we wanna ball you!" I know people these days talk like that to the elderly at the local supermarket, but even in Cambridge, in 1970, it was a pretty outrageous thing to be shouting in public. But Janis played right into their hands. She kept cupping her hand to her ear, feigning an inability to hear the guys, which caused even more people to join in. Well, finally the entire stadium took up the chant and everybody was screaming, "JANIS! WE WANNA BALL YOU!" Still pretending to be unable to understand what everyone was shouting, Janis eventually quieted the crowd and simply said, "One at a time, one at a time..." Janis was incredible. It's very sad to be commemorating the 30th anniversary of her death when she never even came close to her 30th birthday. --Bob NP: Goddamn the Pusher Man >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:42:53 EDT From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: RE:top 5 purchases.. NJC yea, i think that Madonna tries too hard. It is like she may be fighting off gettting older. I think if she would have continued with the William orbit track, she could have evolved..and developed a certain distinct musical style that people could recognize and that she would flourish in... but what do i know. I have never bought any madonna cd's ever.. and i dont plan to really. but that is okay. blair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:47:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Last 5 albums bought (NJC) - --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > > > The best of Ivan Rebroff - has anyone heard this > indisputably unique singer? > He has (or had - I'm not sure he's still alive, he'd > be about 70) a > mind-boggling range, from the deepest, richest basso > profundo through to a > pure, sweet falsetto, reaching high notes some > female singers might struggle > to hit. Your mention of Ivan Rebroff brings back old memories - - they used to play him a lot (well, maybe not a lot, but enough that I noticed) on the CBC and you're right about the voice - cripes, what a range! His basso was probably the most profundo I've ever heard. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:49:19 EDT From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: RE:cat stevens 'mystery' Yea, i think it is upsetting when people look at how he left evertthing and think it is a shame. I think what he did was wonderful.. to search for your own self.. to know yourself..which is the most important thing for each individual to do in their life. Some of the flack he got..was probably similar to some 'fans' of joni when she decided to paint.. i mean, if she stopped right now..and never played another note, released another album, etc... i dont think there is anything to morn or regret. It is like people want their pop idols to live for them.. and to suffer.. well Suffer-Smuffer..that is what i say. A similar example is like with Joni's voice. The first album i bought by her was Turbulent Indigo..and I thought it was terrific.. I loved her smokey-world weary tone.. it was gutsy and it sort of spoke to me (excuse the worn saying) But, everyone has their own opinons about that. And that is good. If she wants to smoke..let her smoke.. it makes for interesting conversation and music. blair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:56:41 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: a crap confession - NJC While immediately realizing that even the word "crap" is very subjective I have one song which springs to mind. My definition of crap in this sense is a song that has only one redeeming aspect, it is compelling to listen to. I dont know what its about and even asking a latina who i worked with what it was about just got raised eyebrows and an evasive answer so i have no idea what its about but I could not help but tap the old foot every time it comes on. The song is La Macarena. The bass line is the absolute END. If you dont move to this one start snorting ginko biloba before its too late. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:02:43 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Embedded nuggets And don't forget the snippet of "Will You Love Me Tomorrow?" in "Chinese Cafe." Or "Turn, Turn, Turn" in "Refuge of the Roads." Do I hear a little piano intro for "Love Needs a Heart" in "Not To Blame?" Sorry, I don't want to go there. CC _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:14:13 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: cat stevens 'mystery'NJC Blair Fraipont wrote: > Yea, i think it is upsetting when people look at how he left evertthing > and think it is a shame. I think what he did was wonderful.. to search for > your own self.. to know yourself..which is the most important thing for each > individual to do in their life. I agree that knowing yourself is the most important thing but I don't think one does it by becoming a fundamentalist. In fact I would say that to follow such a rigid path show a life ruled by fear rather than anything else. I hardly think following a religion where women are treated as second class, that advocates death for homosexuals, that advoctaes all sorst of cruel punishmenets, is enlightened. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:15:33 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: a crap confession - NJC > The song is La Macarena. I was at my friend's 50th on Saturday night. They played this song. I think it is great. But then I don't have any musical snobbery! bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:19:24 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Madge's "Music" NJC Strange...I find this Madonna's first album since, well, _Madonna_ with not a single bad track on it. I think it *refines* the successes of _Ray of Light_, with *less* unnecessary blippage and far stronger and more adventurous songwriting and production. I highly, highly recommend this record, especially to JMDLers. And one of the album's best tracks? #2, which would sadly be left off your EP suggestion. - --Michael, with more later on this topic, fer sure :-) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sometimes I contemplate moving to a warmer place But then the lake and skyline give me a warm embrace." - --Common, "Reminding Me (Of Sef)" On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Christopher J. Treacy wrote: > OK, OK > I'm not going to attempt to sway y'all into thinking that Madge's new > "Music" is any sort of masterpiece, or even a worthy followup to "Ray Of > Light"...there is no 'following-up' to a record like that. However, I do > believe the new disc 'rides with wear' as they might say on "Are You > Being Served?". > > The disc IS full of annoying blips and whatnot (heavily accessorized), > but it has a certain, more deeply hidden funky quality that sets in > after, lets say, spin # 5. Soon, one discovers that some of the blips DO > serve a purpose beyond ornamentation; the disc becomes more rhythmically > interesting. Might I suggest altering the disc into an E.P., containing > only tracks 1,5,7,8 and 10. > > Just a suggestion! If I can turn a bum purchase aroung for just 1 or 2 of > you, that makes it all worthwhile. ;~D Chris. > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:22:12 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Embedded Nuggets Maybe this one has already been seen: "Bye Bye Love" in "In France They Kiss On Main Street." Maybe that should have been "The Load Out" for "Not To Blame?" Still don't want to go there... CC _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:24:34 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: 5 recent purchasesNJC On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Mark or Travis wrote: > I can't figure out how an artist can go > > from such a brilliantly crafted work like Ray of Light to a boring, > uneven > > effort like "Music". > > Because maybe both are all production and no substance and the > production of one is better than the other? > > Just a guess since I haven't heard either of them. Or an unfounded accusation... You should know better than to dis without knowledge about Maddy when I'm around. ;-) OK, I promise, my 100% sincere and unapologetic defense of _Music_, the unpretentious and substantive follow-up to the uneven _Ray of Light_, will be here soon. I would be letting you all down if I did anything less. :-))) - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:41:39 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: 5 recent purchasesNJC In a message dated 10/3/00 11:32:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mwyarbro@midway.uchicago.edu writes: << OK, I promise, my 100% sincere and unapologetic defense of _Music_, >> since you're working us up something on maddy...how 'bout doing us something on that new m'shell cd you picked up? patrick np. pearl jam - jeremy live from spodek poland - eddie says...harmless little ....then gets quiet to let the crowd fill in the blank. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:44:10 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Mystery of Cat Stevens In a message dated 10/2/00 9:34:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pholden@iprimus.ca writes: << It really isn't a mystery. He found religion and also was struck by illness. > But those who watched VH-1's "Behind the Music" show LAST night already know > that. > > Paul I Paul... Once again, I am in awe of your ability to pay attention to detail. It leaves me speechless. Mags >> Well, I could have gotten into a discussion of how he was taken in by religious zealots and persuaded to liquidate his small fortune to unwittingly finance terrorists, but I didn't really want to deal with the flamers. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:14:20 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: re: Embedded Nuggets There's a little bit of "Jingle Bells" in "River", too. Reuben >>> "c Karma" 10/03/00 11:22AM >>> Maybe this one has already been seen: "Bye Bye Love" in "In France They Kiss On Main Street." Maybe that should have been "The Load Out" for "Not To Blame?" Still don't want to go there... CC _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:26:51 -0700 From: "Lance Parauka" Subject: RE: Top 15 joni songs Top 15 Favorite Joni songs (This may change again and >again..as all top 10 lists do) (hee hee) > 1.Cotton Avenue > 2.My old Man > 3.Hejira > 4.Don Juan's Recklass Daughter > 5.Stay in Touch > 6.Goodbye Porkpie Hat (Shadows and light version) > 7.Carey > 8.Beat of Black Wings > 9.Dry Cleaner from Des Moines (shadows and Light version) > 10.Tea Leaf Prophecy > 11.Just like this train > 12.Edith and the kingpin > 13.Moon at the window > 14.Silky Veils of Ardour > 15.Sire of Sorrow ...i'll throw my favorite (at this time) 10 songs together: 01. Marcie 02. Winter Lady 03. Mister Blue 04. The Gallery 05. Brandy Eyes 06. River 07. Hunter (the good samaritan) 08. For Free 09. Chelsea Morning 10. Urge for Going ... I havn't been able to stop listening and playing Marcie since I heard it the other day. I get goose bumps when she sings "tooooo the seeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa." It's offical, i'm in love with Ms. Mitchell:) I'm sure thats never been said before;) ~lance~ - ------------------------------------------------------------ http://byke.com - Free email, BMX links, Music, Art & Culture and much more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:05:37 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: 5 recent purchasesNJC On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > since you're working us up something on maddy...how 'bout doing us something > on that new m'shell cd you picked up? It's not new, it's her debut. I was just replacing a sadly lost copy. BUT if I find the time I'd be happy to draw up a little review for y'all. Which I could do from memory. One of my Desert Island Discs!! - --Michael NP: Lego, _Sounds from the Boom Boom Room_ (Chicago house at its finest!!) and I skipped two previous NPs: Prince, _For You_ and Common, _Like Water for Chocolate_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:18:11 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Mystery of Cat Stevens > > > Well, I could have gotten into a discussion of how he was taken in by > religious zealots and persuaded to liquidate his small fortune to unwittingly > finance terrorists, but I didn't really want to deal with the flamers. or indeed compare that with funds openly raised in the USA for IRA terrorists. You are right-not a good idea to go there! > > > Paul - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:09:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: RE: Top 15 joni songs Okay I'll play ... and as I tell ya every time we do one of these lists ... these are *today's* picks: 1. Furry Sings The Blues 2. Shades of Scarlet Conquering (demo version) 3. Harry's House/Centerpiece (is that 2 or 1+ nugget?) 4. The Three Great Stimulants 5. The Chinese Cafe 6. Snakes and Ladders 7. Off Night Backstreet 8. Both Sides Now (BSN title track version) 9. The Magdalene Laundries 10. People's Parties 11. Hejira (Day In the Garden performance) 12. Song for Sharon 13. Let the Wind Carry Me 14. My Secret Place 15. You Dream Flat Tires Don Rowe ===== My debut CD "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:21:12 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Madge's "Music" NJC For the record I do not think Music is crap. I was just being a bit too obscure in my response to Don's post about this album and inadvertantly gave the impression I agreed with him. I don't. I just wondered why someone would go to the trouble of writing a lengthy piece trashing Madoon's newbie after so many of us had listed it as a cd they had recently bought. Dar's new one is not available here-yet. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:52:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Madge's "Music" NJC > I just wondered why someone would go to the trouble > of writing a lengthy piece trashing > Madoon's newbie after so many of us had listed it as > a cd they had recently bought. Okay, first of all, I never said "Music" was crap. I said it was noisy ... and it is. I said it sounded like a technological shopping spree for the producer, and it does. I said the lyrics were banal, and they are. Second, there were a great many posts singing the praises of the CD as one of the BEST recent purchases listers had made. I merely asked what it was that everyone seemed to be loving about it, based on a well-reasoned, somewhat acerbicly worded -- but FAR from "lengthy" -- post. Don Rowe ===== My debut CD "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:00:48 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni Lookalike?? (VLJC) I came across my passport from 1973 when I was a junior in high school. I showed it to my 6 year old daughter and said, "who is this?" She looked at the girl with long blonde hair parted down the middle and said, "Joni Mitchell?" Reminder to self: Buy Disneyland for daughter for birthday ... Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:10:27 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: Re: 5 recent purchases... 1) Breakfast in New Orleans/Dinner in Timbuktu - Bruce Cockburn 2) jtull.com - Jethro Tull 3) Greatest Hits - HEART 4) Both Sides Now - Joni Mitchell (collector's candy box ed) 5) Human Being - Seal ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:59:24 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Lookalike?? (now NJC) I chuckled so hard at this. Several years ago, my kids and I were looking through my high school yearbook, back to the times when I had straight (coffee can rollers) hair down to my waist. My second oldest, Jesse, (now 17) was growing his hair long at the time, but it was only about shoulder length. My youngest (maybe about 5 or 6 at the time) looked at my picture in the yearbook, and said, "Mom, what is Jesse doing in this book?" Thanks for reminding me of this, Lindsay! :-) On another note, you had asked about introducing kids to music a while back. I have been meaning to tell you about a series that I think is absolutely fantastic! It's called the Classical Kids Series, and they have music out such as "Mr. Bach Comes to Call" and "Beethoven Lives Upstairs." Through clever stories, interspersed with the composer's music, I think it is the very best introduction to classical music for kids. You can find the whole series here: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=953095392/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/disco graphy.html/ArtistID=CLASSICAL+KIDS Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet Lindsay wrote: << I came across my passport from 1973 when I was a junior in high school. I showed it to my 6 year old daughter and said, "who is this?" She looked at the girl with long blonde hair parted down the middle and said, "Joni Mitchell?" Reminder to self: Buy Disneyland for daughter for birthday ... >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:01:38 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: Top 15 joni songs Whoa, Blair...number 1 Cotton Avenue! that's a bold choice!! you are my hero! > 1.Cotton Avenue > 2.My old Man > 3.Hejira > 4.Don Juan's Recklass Daughter > 5.Stay in Touch > 6.Goodbye Porkpie Hat (Shadows and light version) > 7.Carey > 8.Beat of Black Wings > 9.Dry Cleaner from Des Moines (shadows and Light version) > 10.Tea Leaf Prophecy > 11.Just like this train > 12.Edith and the kingpin > 13.Moon at the window > 14.Silky Veils of Ardour > 15.Sire of Sorrow As all of us know, this is a fruitless exercise, but of course, I can't resist!! here are my top 15 songs for today (which means the ones I can't stop playing on my old gitbox, not necessarily the same list tomorrow): 1. Morning Morgantown (I can't play this song all the way through without crying since I had the thought that Joni wrote it for Kilauren. WAHH!) 2. Cactus Tree 3. Marcie 4. That Song About the Midway 5. Michael From Mountains 6. I Had A King 7. The Priest 8. Sisowtowbell Lane 9. Impossible Dreamer 10. My Secret Place 11. I Don't Know Where I Stand 12. Yvette In English 13. Conversation 14. A Strange Boy 15. Sunny Sunday and you know there could be more ... ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:15:51 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Madge's "Music" NJC On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Don Rowe wrote: > Okay, first of all, I never said "Music" was crap. I > said it was noisy ... and it is. Disagree here. I actually find it quiet. > I said it sounded > like a technological shopping spree for the producer, > and it does. Also disagree here, but I guess that's a function of tastes more than anything. As I spend at least three nights of any given week in a dance club, I have a higher tolerance/expectation for electronic whirligigs than many. > I said the lyrics were banal, and they > are. There are many instances where this is indeed true. A couple of the lyrics are howlingly bad, so much so that on first, second, and third listen I didn't notice how many *good* lyrics were on the album as well. I am in the process of writing my review, which will tell you why I love the album, as well as probably include some theoretical double-speak (your words, not mine ;-) ) and some contextualization of the record in her career, which is the way in which it is most interesting. All that, and more, soon! :-) - --Michael NP: Replacements, _Pleased to Meet Me_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:35:45 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: 5 Recent Purchases (NJC) 1. Van Morrison & Linda Gail Lewis (Jerry Lee's kid sister(!)): You Win Again (and it's fun!...boogie woogie, Hank Williams-style country, rockabilly, blues...sounds like a good time was had by all) 2. Paul Simon: You're The One (unheard, as yet) 3. Mark Knopfler: Sailing To Philadelphia (nice!) 4. Emmylou Harris: Red Dirt Girl (one of her masterpieces) 5. Lyle Mays: Solo Improvisations For Expanded Piano (not for everybody...but for those into Lyle, his best recording outside the Pat Metheny Group, imho) "Boston Jim" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:16:12 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC un pc bears It's a sunny morning in the Big Forest and the Bear family is just waking up. Baby Bear goes downstairs and sits in his small chair at the table. He looks into his small bowl. It is empty! "Who's been eating my porridge?" he squeaks. Daddy Bear arrives at the table and sits in his big chair. He looks into his big bowl. It is also empty! "Who's been eating my porridge?" he roars. Mommy Bear puts her head through the serving hatch from the kitchen and yells, "For Pete's sake, how many times do we have to go through this? It was Mommy Bear who got up first. It was Mommy Bear who woke everybody else in the house up. It was Mommy Bear who unloaded the dishwasher from last night and put everything away. It was Mommy Bear who went out into the cold early morning air to fetch the newspaper. It was Mommy Bear who set the table. It was Mommy Bear who put the cat out, cleaned the litter box and filled the cat's water & food dish. And now that you've decided to come downstairs and grace me with your presence.... Listen good because I'm only going to say this one more time...... I HAVEN'T MADE THE &%^$^%# PORRIDGE YET! - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:35:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Madge's "Music" NJC > Don wrote: > > > Okay, first of all, I never said "Music" was crap. I didn;'t say you did. However, I did take your 'review' as 'trashing' it. > I > said it was noisy ... and it is. I said it sounded > like a technological shopping spree for the producer, > and it does. I said the lyrics were banal, and they > are. all of this is your opinion only, which is fine, but it reads like you are making statments of fact. > > > Second, there were a great many posts singing the > praises of the CD as one of the BEST recent purchases > listers had made. I merely asked what it was that > everyone seemed to be loving about it, based on a > well-reasoned, somewhat acerbicly worded -- but FAR > from "lengthy" -- post. I certainly did not mean to offend you. It doesn't alter my perception of your post tho. I really do not understand why you or anyone would want to write such a negative piece(even if it wasn't that long!) about a cd so many said they liked. I guess it boils down to my dislike of critics. Personally, and I referring to those who make a living from it or who fancy themselves as such, not you, I think it is a complete waste of time and effort and is often just a ploy on the part of the writer to make themselves appear superior. I am afraid I am rather common. I either like something or I don't. It either moves me or it doesn't. End of story. If I really put my mind to it, I suppose I could have an intellectual wank and be wordy in my explanation of why I do or do not like soemthing. What would be the point? No critic has ever changed my mind about whether or not I liked something. I understand Magnolia got rave reviews. We turned it off after 15 minutes. The reverse has ofetn been true too-a film, book, record has been trashed and I found I loved it. OR I have agreed with the critics. Either way tho, it is ultimately me who decides and I think a critique is not worth the effort. To put it simply, I will not buy a cd, watch a film, or read a book just because someone told me it was good. I make those decisons for myself. And when it comes to music particularly, I think the like or dislike of something is not intelluctual but something else. John loves Opera. I can see him in deep pleasure listening to something which for me has the same effect as nails on a blackboard. That isn't intellectual it is 'something other'. I did not intend a judgement on your piece but I genuinly do not understand the motive behind a piece like that. The only thing I can think of(taht might explain where I am coming from) would be in the case of my breed of dog where sevral people in a group are singing the praises of a particular dog that i happen tho think is not a good represenation of the given blueprint for the breed. I would carry on thinking it but I wouldn't voice it. To do so would just offend. If i was asked directly, I would be honest. I avoid getting into the situation where I would be asked! bw colin > > > Don Rowe > > ===== > My debut CD "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:49:56 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: 5 Recent Purchases (NJC) It's all good... 1.) Billie Holiday Anthology (1944-1959) 2.) Stoned Soul Picnic: The Best of Laura Nyro 3.) Jaco Pastorious (remaster) 4.) Miles Davis - Love Songs 5.) Victor Johnson - Tangled 6.) De La Soul - Art Official Intelligence 7.) Funkify Your Life: The Meters Anthology - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:41:36 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Crap Top 5 NJC OK, Bob, you asked for it, and I cannot resist this one... 1."You're Havin' My Baby" - Paul Anka & Odea Cotes 2."Afternoon Delight" - Starland Vocal Group 3."Shine On Silver Moon" and "You Don't Have To Be A Star" - -Marilyn McCoo & Billy Davis 4."Moonlight Feels Right" - Starbuck 5."Aint Nothin Like The Real Thing" - Donnie & Marie (Great Cover!) Runners up would include : anything from the Bobbie Gentry catalogue, anything by Bread, Toto, Journey, Foreigner...God, I could go on for a while. Guess I'm a big cheeseball at heart. ;~). -Chris NP:"Lonesome Loser" - Little River Band ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:12:56 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Top 15 1. Hejira 2. Don't Interrupt the Sorrow 3. Slouching Towards Bethlehem 3. Jericho 4. Hissing of Summer Lawns 5. Two Grey Rooms 6. A Case of You 7. Help Me 8. Rainy Night House 9. Woman of Heart and Mind 10.Woodstock (from Miles of Aisles) 11. Amelia 12. Off Night Backstreet 13. Borderline 14. A Strange Boy 15. Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:31:41 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: RE: a crap confession- NJC i - on some odd whim- bought a Patti Rothberg (sp??) album, and it is undoubtedly the worst thing i've ever bought. but in there among all that audio crap is one song-awful as it is- that i listen to occasionally when Alanis is a little too bitter for me. i can't remember the title, but it goes :"i'd call you a dirty dog, but that'd be an insult to the fleas" or someting like that. so terribly enjoyable. and then there's Merril Bainnridge's album The Garden, everything that's not on the Mouth single (totally brilliant and fun, cool single) is really quite awful. but i LOVE it. so shoot me. BTW, i've over done it listening to KID A. the album is definitely an album that will grow on people - some people, me included. but it seems to be devoid of tune and anything vaguely resembling a song. it is original, and may well be a masterpiece in the grand scheme. although i am liking it right now, i do have one complaint- part of what i love about Radiohead is Jonny's guitar and Thoms soaring vocals (ok, so two complaints) both of which are absent or only present sparingly in odd places......or something like that! my opinion (and eh,understanding) is still forming. the concert is on SATURDAY.......i'm psyched! i cannot wait:-) GARRET np- Rasputina- Brand New Key ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:20:07 +0100 From: "Steve" Subject: The Joni Mitchell Companion ? Hi folks, A friend told me he had seen an advert for the above titled book on Joni available to the UK as an import. Does anyone know anything of this book? He is trying to find the ad for me, if I find out more I'll post the info. Steve...the impossible dreamer NP. Bonnie Raitt live at Shepherds Bush Nov98 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:24:06 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Crap Crap Crap NJC Most of my favourite bands and music looks like it would classed in this category! Whoever mentioned Wilson Phillips, you made my day :-) I would listen to that debut album all the time, and still light up when my website's internet radio database throws up "Hold On" every so often! Jason, possibly the only Wang Chung fan in the UK. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:17:21 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Top 15 joni songs Prepare thineselves for a hefty percentage of Electronic Gloop from those darn perm-happy years :-) 1. My Secret Place 2. Hejira 3. Yvette In English 4. Snakes & Ladders 5. Coyote 6. Cherokee Louise 7. Refuge Of The Roads 8. Good Friends 9. Lakota 10. Song For Sharon 11. Magdelene Laundries 12. Be Cool 13. Nothing Can Be Done 14. Night Ride Home 15. Three Great Stimulants Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:11:10 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Madge's "Music" NJC Hi Colin, catman wrote: > > I guess it boils down to my dislike of critics. Personally, and I referring to those who > make a living from it or who fancy themselves as such, not you, I think it is a complete > waste of time and effort and is often just a ploy on the part of the writer to make > themselves appear superior. In a lot of cases, I would agree with this view of crtics - of any kind, be they professional or otherwise. We live in a society now where everybody is encouraged to have an opinion, and air it on various public forums through print, media and the internet. Then again, I would have to call myself a professional critic now in some ways. I write for various websites and contribute to author communities, sometimes receiving payment and sometimes not. >From my (rather limited) experience, I seem to have a different approach to writing critiques and reviews. I feel it is my duty to inform and present the subject as objectively as I can, while also offering an honest refelction of what effect the film/CD/whatever had on me. That said, I don't care for the "I think this" and "I thought that" school of critiques. Which is where a lot of critics betray this air of superority vibe you mention. Trashing something to make yourself look smart or witty isn't worth much at all, other than a sometimes amusing, disposable read. I'm talking generally and not about Don or anyone else here, because I didn't pick up anything from the Rowester's posts. Equally, raving about something simply to create an impression with others that reflects well on oneself (or so they themselves would believe) is just as pointless and not in the true spirit of good reviewing. > I am afraid I am rather common. I either like something or I don't. It either moves me or > it doesn't. End of story. If I really put my mind to it, I suppose I could have an > intellectual wank and be wordy in my explanation of why I do or do not like soemthing. I don't think that makes you common at all, though I think I know what you mean. My Mum's the same. She has no truck with reviews or the media's opinions on things. You seem to know yourself and what you like, so that's all it is. You don't feel the need to seek some stranger's opinion about something such as a film or music. I'm glad not everyone is like that, though - I'd be out of a job! > What would be the point? No critic has ever changed my mind about whether or not I liked > something. I understand Magnolia got rave reviews. We turned it off after 15 minutes. The > reverse has ofetn been true too-a film, book, record has been trashed and I found I loved > it. OR I have agreed with the critics. Either way tho, it is ultimately me who decides and > I think a critique is not worth the effort. Again, having seen what gets written in the name of a critique or review, I am liable to agree with you. They are usually far too self-serving and biased to be any use. That's something which drives me on to try and change that by continually offering an alternative. So far, it appears the great majority of those who have read any of my work are very responsive and interested in the alternative I provide. But I'm almost an island out there. Film reviews, as I have probably said on the JMDL before, have sunk in quality over the years. All they are these days are lazy, blow-by-blow rundowns of what happens in the film. Plot details and twists are revealed. I just don't understand that line of writing. > To put it simply, I will not buy a cd, watch a film, or read a book just because someone > told me it was good. I make those decisons for myself. And when it comes to music > particularly, I think the like or dislike of something is not intelluctual but something > else. John loves Opera. I can see him in deep pleasure listening to something which for me > has the same effect as nails on a blackboard. That isn't intellectual it is 'something > other'. I have never understood the appeal of Opera either, but I would also never call it rubbish or worthless. I just hate the sound of it. I'm looking forward to Michael Y's review of Music, but it wouldn't sway me either way in terms of deciding to buy it (or not). I buy anything of Madonna's, so my decision was made before the CD was even released! Just a good-for-nothing intellectual wanker, I am.... Jason :-) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #526 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?