From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #517 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 27 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 517 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: "For The Roses" Lyrics NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Reeling in the ears (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #516 [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] RE: What song, please? ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: hammers, boards and trees NJC (md) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NJC moses schmoses ["Kakki" ] Dare I Say It?? "CD Tree"?..... Long ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Dare I Say It?? "CD Tree"?..... Long ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: Patricia Barber [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:22:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "For The Roses" Lyrics NJC << Oops! That's what I get for trying to dash off replies while hordes of 13-year-olds are clamoring for my attention.... Noah, of course, was who I meant. >> I shouldn't have even mentioned it, Diane...there's a trick question that goes "How many animals of each type did Moses put on the ark?", and when the person answers "2", you respond that Moses didn't put ANY animals on the Ark, it was Noah. Gotta watch those Sunday School teachers, we can be tricky little shits! LOL! Bob NP: Joni & Peter G, "My Secret Place" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:30:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Reeling in the ears (NJC) << So, I will not ever comment on sexuality, articificial insemination, or other sensitive political matters of any kind on the Joni Mitchell Discussion List again! >> Harper Lou, I thank you for your post...I would never have posted on such a hot potato topic, and you (and everyone who shared their thoughts) gave me lots of food for thought... While I was critical of them at first (because of the Rolling Stone thing), as always my JMDL pals helped me to see things from Both Sides Now...I guess as a celebrity, your options are either to go public with all that sort of info or see it in the Tabloids. At least if you go public on your own, you get to put your own spin on it! Although it got a trifle ugly, the thread produced some profound thoughts from the likes of Michael and Patrick, and others as well, as it always does. So thanks for what you bring to the list... like my sister told me, Joni Mitchell fans are people who feel things very deeply! ;~) Bob NP: Beat of Black Wings ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:45:40 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #516 > > > > << "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either > charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde> > > Ok Ill bite. Is Saddam Hussein "charming" or "tedious". marcel > Charmingly tedious! He seems to hold Iraq in sway... Vanessa a Libran... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:43:19 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: What song, please? much though it scares me, i have to CONFESS that i agree with paul [the horror! the horror!]. the hammer and boards part always elicited the image of a coffin. but now i think that the cross is a very apt metaphor too. what to do? wallyk > > Does anyone disagree that her reference to hammers, boards and nails is to > > make a coffin? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:18:17 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: hammers, boards and trees NJC (md) yeah, i have a thing for swarthy mustachioed types too. wallyk > But I must admit-- in that beret he looks pretty charming to me. :) > > eric > > > Ok Ill bite. Is Saddam Hussein "charming" or "tedious". marcel > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:24:41 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: tape/cd trees In a message dated 09/26/2000 8:15:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, diquintevans@hotmail.com writes: << Okay. I'm new to this and a tiny bit confused as to the meaning of the "trees." I assume we can purchase [from you] copies of not-released music. True? If so, I would definately like to participate in the CD tree (my tape decks have long since burnt out...although, strangely, I still have an operating 8-track in our elderly Buick). If not, show me the error of my thinking, please! >> Hi Diane, Welcome to the JMDL. All tape/CD trading done on the list is free of charge--people either trade for other CDs/Tapes or for blanks and postage. Check out the following link on the JMDL site for details: http://www.jmdl.com/trading/index.cfm Look forward to hearing more from you. All the best, Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:39:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: astrology census joni mitchell is a scorpio. so much for joni content. sorry guys, but since this is a census idea, i wanted everybody to get this post, even the oj's [not simpson, jimmy, i mean the only joni's]. for the longest time i've wanted to study the sun sign demographics on this list. call me eccentric, call me wallyK. even if you don't believe in astrology, i would appreciate it if you all e-mailed me privately simply mentioning your sign. you don't have to tell me your date of birth or any personal information. if you're not sure what sign you are, you can go to the following link www.astrology.com and find out. if you want to tell me your birthday, it's all right too. you'll be included in my most excellent worldwide birthday greeting list!!! it would be great if both frequent posters and lurkers participated. my guess is that this list is mainly composed of libras and geminis. prove me wrong. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:43:08 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC moses schmoses > Most humble apologies for writing in haste! It will be forever >fixed in my mind to: (1) not confuse Moses with Noah; Don't worry Diane, I think they use the same white-haired and bearded old man interchangeably to model for depictions of God, Moses and Noah in children's Bible books - no wonder we get them mixed up! ;-D A belated welcome to the list to you and all the other recent newbies! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:00:59 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Dare I Say It?? "CD Tree"?..... Long It is not a coincidence that everyone who has responded about a new tree has mentioned this phrase: "CD". It appears that the JMDL has entered a new era- everyone expects the next JMDL tree to be a CD Tree and not a Cassette / DAT tree as it historically has been. This is dangerous ground because bootleggers would love to get a ready supply of CDs (which they can easily copy) of concerts from any major artist. JMDL wants no part of lining the pockets of bootleggers. I agree- not just because bootleggers have no right to a profit, but also because JMDL has close ties - very close ties to our beloved Artist. Could we just put a spoken announcement in each CD saying, "This CD was provided free to the trading community. Don't buy from bootleggers." It could be part of a track- any track- rather than a track of it's own. That way bootleggers would have to listen to the whole thing and edit it before duplicating. That would give them a dis-incentive to boot Joni. On the other hand, in the mp3 era, is anyone worried about CD bootleggers anymore? Maybe we have to take this off-list. Should we discuss this off-list, among those interested in the CD format? Is it time to take the tree activity off-list? Should we separate the sign-up activity from the official JMDL web site in order to satisfy the hunger for the CD format? Is our desire to spread audience recordings stronger than our desire to thwart bootleggers in a few big cities or is it more complex? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:52:57 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Reeling in the ears (NJC) > And, (2) I really am pretty naive about politics. There's one >Joni song title that pretty much sums me up -- I don't know >where I stand. I never seem to fit in, nor ever had. Too >conservative for the liberals and too liberal for the >conservatives. Too sober for the hippies, too high for the >straights. Too pagan for the Christians, too Christian for the >pagans. Wow, and all these years I thought I was the only one out there, Harper Lou! "He saw my complications and he mirrored me back simplified, and we laughed how our perfection would always be denied" ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:12:05 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: Dare I Say It?? "CD Tree"?..... Long Well, I have experience with CD trees. And we've dealt with this problem. I'm a huge Tori Amos fan. And after her hasteful 1999 tour of short setlists (due to the fact that she was sharing the evening with the wretched Alanis Morissette)-- she plaed a special solo piano show in London to finish it all off. It was an amazing show full of songs she didn't or couldn't play with her touring band. Of course, we all wanted a copy of this show. It is a milestone in Tori history, as it were. We were lucky enough to have a VERY good recorder present there that produced an excellent digital copy. We opened up a tree to anyone that wanted to participate. We spread the word anywhere we could that this show was freely available to anyone who wanted it. However, copies still surfaced on Ebay and Yahoo auctions. It took the work of a very devoted crew of people to watch for these auctions, and e-mail Ebay to have them stopped. Not a problem, as long as someone looks for them to appear. Furthermore, in many cases, we actually e-mailed the bidders of these auctions and told them how they could get the show for a much lower cost. NOW. Honestly, I doubt that Joni bootlegs would be this much in-demand. Tori Amos is about at the height of her popularity right now. Though, the possibility exists that Joni shows can fall into the wrong hands and get abused. The key is that we all work to make sure the trees are well-publicized and that anyone who wants a copy can find a place to obtain one without paying ~$25 per CD. I think that the Joni recording world can only benefeit from going to a CD format. However, it does bring new problems that we need to take into consideration. It will just be an adjestment. I think we can all handle it. eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Jim L'Hommedieu Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 10:01 PM To: _JMDL - June 98 Subject: Dare I Say It?? "CD Tree"?..... Long It is not a coincidence that everyone who has responded about a new tree has mentioned this phrase: "CD". It appears that the JMDL has entered a new era- everyone expects the next JMDL tree to be a CD Tree and not a Cassette / DAT tree as it historically has been. This is dangerous ground because bootleggers would love to get a ready supply of CDs (which they can easily copy) of concerts from any major artist. JMDL wants no part of lining the pockets of bootleggers. I agree- not just because bootleggers have no right to a profit, but also because JMDL has close ties - very close ties to our beloved Artist. Could we just put a spoken announcement in each CD saying, "This CD was provided free to the trading community. Don't buy from bootleggers." It could be part of a track- any track- rather than a track of it's own. That way bootleggers would have to listen to the whole thing and edit it before duplicating. That would give them a dis-incentive to boot Joni. On the other hand, in the mp3 era, is anyone worried about CD bootleggers anymore? Maybe we have to take this off-list. Should we discuss this off-list, among those interested in the CD format? Is it time to take the tree activity off-list? Should we separate the sign-up activity from the official JMDL web site in order to satisfy the hunger for the CD format? Is our desire to spread audience recordings stronger than our desire to thwart bootleggers in a few big cities or is it more complex? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:24:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: tape/cd trees count me in for a new cd tree. wallyk the astrology census is already happening!!!!!!!!!!! i can't believe how many people have replied already. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 02:55:49 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Patricia Barber Go ahead, Les. Name your price...make her day. I'm looking forward to seeing Patricia in San Francisco, but sure won't crack wise about her band. No siree. ;-) - -Julius Les Irvin writes: << Joniphiles - One of my favorite "new" artists, Patricia Barber, has released a new album today, called "Nightclub" - an album of jazz standards. She will be touring outside of Chicago (which is rare for her) over the next two months. She puts on an incredible show, I urge you to check her out if you can. September 29 Chicago, IL Park West *Record Release Performance* October 4 Boston, MA Regattbar October 6&7 Burlington, VT Flynn Theater October 9 Washington, DC Blues Alley October 10 & 11 New York, NY Joe's Pub October 20 Minneapolis, MN Fineline Theater October 22 Ann Arbor, MI Firefly October 24 Buffalo, NY Tralfamadore November 2 Berlin, Germany Berlin Jazz Festival November 13 Santa Cruz, CA Kuumbwa Jazz Center November 15 San Francisco, CA Bimbo's 365 Club Les NP: New Lost City Ramblers>> ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #517 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?