From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #516 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 516 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Arbutus Story ["Hell" ] "For The Roses" Lyrics [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: hammers, boards and trees NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Bjork (NJC) ["Chris Marshall" ] David Rea [James Leahy ] R: JMDL Digest V2000 #513 ["Mauro Regis" ] Tape Trading [Ivan Teage ] Re: What song, please? [Ken ] Re: hammers, boards and trees NJC [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #515 [SBardMusic@aol.com] Re: hammers, boards and trees NJC [Andrew Baio ] Patricia Barber - NJC [Les Irvin ] Re: What song, please? [FredNow@aol.com] Re: The Arbutus Story [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Simon & Bard [FredNow@aol.com] RE: hammers, boards and trees NJC ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: "For The Roses" Lyrics NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Mark Knopfler's "saling to philadelpia" -- New release Review NJC [Don Ro] Re: "For The Roses" Lyrics [IVPAUL42@aol.com] BSN Tour Plus for UK & Beyond ["dave foers" ] Speechless, Take Two ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: "For The Roses" Lyrics NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Search for a Joni favorite movie NJC ["c Karma" ] Diana Krall (NJC) ["c Karma" ] Open Letter To Joni Mitchell ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Speechless, Take Two [Andy Baio ] the libras the libras!!!! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] NJC editorial notes [Vince Lavieri ] Reeling in the ears (NJC) [Louis Lynch ] Re: Reeling in the ears (NJC) [michael w yarbrough ] RE: hammers, boards and trees NJC ["Diane Evans" ] NJC moses schmoses ["Diane Evans" ] Re: Reeling in the ears (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:04:30 -0700 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: The Arbutus Story Bob wrote (that Joni said!): > (Joni laughs)....(applause)....I stepped out and I looked up and right in > front of my door was this tree called the Arbutus tree, which I think is > really my favorite all-time tree...it's got a really smooth, orange bark, and > really smooth rubbery kind of leaves, and it's a very independent tree, just > has totally its own will, you can't...you can't tame it, you know? Like > there's this street in Vancouver called Arbutus Street, and they tried to > transplant a whole lot of Arbutus trees to line it, you know, just like Elm > street's always lined with elms, and maple street's lined with maples...so > they put in all these arbutus trees, and they just said 'forget it', you > know, just kamikaze'd out......." Thanks for posting this - a typical Joni monologue! And for those (like me) who've never seen, or even heard of an arbutus tree until Joni, hears a link that will show you more: http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/PAB/EDUCATE/TREEBOOK/120.htm Hell _________________________________________ "Great poets require great audiences" - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 06:02:17 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: "For The Roses" Lyrics "the power and the glory" seems like a reference to The Lord's Prayer. Oh the power and the glory Just when you're getting a taste for worship They start bringing out the hammers And the boards And the nails Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:17:14 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: hammers, boards and trees NJC << Getting back to a "tape" tree, who's in? Just Michael and me?? Who's in?? >> Well, I'm always game for sharing some tunes, Jim...what's on the platter? Bob NP: Rolling Stones, "Midnight Rambler" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:41:24 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Bjork (NJC) Garret said:- > i've been getting into Jaco Pastorious of late too, thanks to my old pal > Chris Marshall in Cambridge. Ummm, less of the "old" if you don't mind :-) - --Chris (approaching 30 with, er, horror) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:57:46 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: David Rea David Rea was a big up and comer on the Toronto music scene in the late 60s. I saw him at the Mariposa Folk Festival in 68 and in some club dates around town. He was a very flashy guitar player, and for a time was an accompanist for Ian and Sylvia. He also accompanied Joni at Mariposa. From the book Before the Goldrush, author Nicholas Jennings writes: "Mitchell returned to the festival [1966 or 1967] as one of its most popular attractions, joining a lineup that included Lightfoot, Doc Watson and The New Lost City Ramblers. Dressed in paisley and accompanied by guitarist David Rea, Mitchell captivated audiences at both her afternoon and evening performances." The book Rock and Roll Toronto by John Goddard and Richard Crouse features a picture of Joni and David playing together at Mariposa. She is wearing a paisley mini-dress. Joni's song Play Little David Play is about David Rea. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:23:33 +0200 From: "Mauro Regis" Subject: R: JMDL Digest V2000 #513 Hi, I'm Mauro Regis from Verona, Italia. Due to a fault in the server I didn't get the digests from number 502 to number 510, included. May you send them again ? Thanks in advance. Mauro Regis - -----Messaggio Originale----- Da: JMDL Digest A: Data invio: luned́ 25 settembre 2000 9.00 Oggetto: JMDL Digest V2000 #513 > JMDL Digest Monday, September 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 513 > > > > The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be > found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, > a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. > --- > The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains > interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. > --- > Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations > going directly towards the upkeep of the website. > Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US > to help Jim continue. > > If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks > payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: > > Ashara Stansfield > P.O. Box 215 > Topsfield, MA. 01983 > USA > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Clamoring For A Tape Tree! ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] > Uh Oh... (long) [JRMCo1@aol.com] > What song, please? [JRMCo1@aol.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:58:42 -0400 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: Clamoring For A Tape Tree! > > * Yes, yes! What Michael Paz said! Let's get a tree going right away- > before the Holidays!! > > * I also want to say that I was also saddened by the Heche/DeGenerges > split. I identified with Anne wandering around, dazed and confused. > ANYWAY..... I am sorry when anyone breaks up. (although Meg Ryan is > available again...... Hmmmmmmm.) > > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 02:16:36 EDT > From: JRMCo1@aol.com > Subject: Uh Oh... (long) > > The JC is near the end. Sorry for the length, but I didn't want to paraphrase this one. > > - -Julius > > ___ > > 'I'm lucky to be alive - I deserved to die' > > 09/25/2000 > The Express > Copyright (C) 2000 The Express; Source: World Reporter (TM) > > The man who 20 years ago pumped three bullets into the heart of John Lennon, murdering the Beatle in front of his wife Yoko Ono and the world's media, has spoken for the first time in eight years in a world exclusive interview for the Daily Express. Timed ahead of his parole-board hearing next week, the killer sensationally explains for the first time why he killed John Lennon and why he now believes he deserves his freedom. > > The words mark a complete change of heart for assassin Mark Chapman, 45, who up until now has always believed he would die in prison. However, inspired by hope that he may be released following his parole hearing, Chapman's talk is now of preparing for life beyond Attica prison in New York state, where he has spent the past 20 years for the killing which numbed the world. > > > With the date of the hearing, October 3, circled on a calendar on his cell wall, Chapman opens his heart and mind in a frank and forthright account of his crime, his punishment and his changed expectations. > > A burly six footer, Chapman has become grossly overweight since his last media appearance and, self-conscious of his size he now refuses to be photographed. Under New York state law he automatically comes up for parole having served 20 years, and has the right to indicate before the board whether he wants to be freed. In a move that to some will seem grotesque, Chapman not only wants his freedom but has prepared a case to present to his parole board next week. > > The self-absorbed, immature nobody who came out of the shadows on December 8, 1980, wanting desperately to be a somebody, killed Lennon, he freely admits, as his passport to fame. Chapman was sentenced to life in prison but admits that even so he revelled in the notoriety, the TV interviews, newspaper articles and magazine profiles which followed from murdering one of the most famous men in the world. > > "Sure, I don't think gloat is the word. But my identity was such, so low that I had to kill somebody. So, naturally, I'm going to, you know, proclaim some of that and try to feel good about myself." > > Now, however, Chapman dreams of being "Mr Nobody" again. "I don't know how easy that would be but I'd try just to lead an ordinary life again. Stay out of the papers. There's not many places to go once you've killed someone like John Lennon." > > Keen to paint himself as a changed, adjusted, deeply religious and remorseful man, a "liberal" who recognises what he did as "an awesome thing", Chapman believes he can now spread the word of Christianity if he were allowed his freedom. He plans to tell the parole board that he would dedicate himself to touring as a Christian revivalist. > > "I could have an impact, a positive impact," he insists. "I could travel to different places and tell people what happened and how their answer, as well as mine, is in Jesus." > > There are even friends, he claims, who would look after him. "There's people here who like me," he says. > > Incredibly, Chapman also believes that John Lennon would forgive him and support his request for parole. "I think he would be liberal, I think he would care. I think he would probably want to see me released. That's my opinion." Chapman today prefers not to revel in the infamy he once so desperately craved for his dreadful crime. "I don't like to be reminded of it at all." > > Struggling to explain the senselessness of his attack, Chapman told the Daily Express that he never saw his victim as human. Lennon was just "a picture on an album cover", as far as Chapman was concerned at the time. "When I met him and when I shot him, when I saw him on the album cover, it just wasn't real." > > Chapman remembers clearly the morning he knew he was going to kill Lennon. He put on a black felt cap and scarf, collected his copy of The Catcher In The Rye, JD Salinger's famous novel about alienated adolescence, and walked from a nearby YMCA to the Dakota building on the west side of Central Park. He joined the throng of Lennon groupies who lived in almost perpetual encampment, hoping for a glimpse of their idol and his autograph. Lennon often obliged and that brisk, winter morning he stared into the eyes of his killer. > > "I had a piece of cardboard and I used it to camouflage the shape of the gun in my pocket," Chapman recalled. "I had the album with me, too, the John Lennon album. I brought that with me as a reason for standing out there. It was a ruse. I didn't want his signature, I wanted his life. And I ended up getting both." > > Lennon had just finished recording Double Fantasy and it was being well received by critics. Life, by a tragic irony, was better than it had ever been since the heady days of the Beatles. And Lennon was loving New York, telling the Radio One DJ Andy Peebles in what turned out to be his last interview, that: "People come up and ask me for autographs or say 'hi', but they won't bug you." > > Chapman had been there so often, playing the role of besotted fan, that Lennon felt comfortable walking over earlier in the day he was to die. Chapman recalls their conversation. "I said: 'John, would you sign my album?' He said: 'Sure' and wrote his name and he handed it back to me. > > "He looked at me and said: 'Is that all you want?' Just like that. And I said 'Yeah, thanks John.' And he again said: 'Is that all you want?' And there was Yoko, she was already in the car, the door was open, it was running. And he asked me twice and I said: 'Yeah, thanks, that's all,' or something like that and then he got into the car to drive away." All the time, Chapman says, his hand held the gun in his pocket, wet with sweat. Lennon sensed something was up, repeatedly asking him if he wanted anything else, but this time Chapman held back. > > The murder came later. Chapman spent the day milling around the Dakota building, pleading with inner demons. "Help me devil, give me the power and the strength to do this," was the mantra he muttered. His head, he said, was torn between "the phoney adult" and the "evil child" within. Eventually, at around 11pm, the limousine carrying the Lennons appeared outside the block. Yoko came out first. Chapman recalled a "dead silence in his brain" as he nodded to Lennon, who was clutching cassettes. "A voice in my head said: 'Do it, do it, do it, do it.' I aimed at his back and pulled the trigger five times and all hell broke loose in my mind." Chapman made no attempt to leave the scene as the ecstasy of recognition began. > > Lennon sang of imagining a world with no religion, something which Chapman's warped mind clung to as justification for the killing. Chapman is now and was then immersed in a world filled with nothing but religion, a zealous Bible reader weaving a selective path through memorised passages of scripture to find what he calls peace. > > The former security guard has developed a trick of dividing himself into two, barely related individuals. "There really is no Mark Chapman," he says. "That's the person that killed John Lennon and that's in the newspaper. I don't live that life." > > The first Chapman, he believes, ought to have received the death penalty. "I should have been executed, you know. Well, if you commit murder, maybe that's what's due?" he said. "I'm lucky to be alive. You know, I deserve to die." > > Chapman claims that the image of Lennon remained in his mind as just that - just an image on an album cover - until three years ago when he claims Lennon suddenly became mortal to him, a father and husband of flesh and blood. "It all became real three years ago, where this isn't an image I blew away. This was a beating heart. I guess it was just the right time for me to be able to see that kind of thing - hiding from my responsibilities. I don't think most murderers realise what they've done. But I did. He became real for me, he stepped from the album cover." As for remorse, it appears to be grudging: "When I think about it I get very serious and sometimes I have to tell people. I say: 'I did this crime and this was a real person and if you call that remorse, fine.'" Prison psychiatrists have been evaluating Chapman's sanity in preparation for the parole hearing. "I'm talking now with a fellow from mental health, just on a friendly basis. I don't receive any kind of treatment ! > ! > and I'm not on any medication. I've been mentally well for 12, 13 years. No problems. I'm on their highest grade of mental wellness." > > The cell he inhabits these days has views to distant hills, a special privilege that reflects his years of good behaviour. Chapman's bed is on the right and there are sparse furnishings, all prison issue: a locker, desk and set of drawers. The only photograph is of his dead grandmother. There are pictures of Jesus. Lots of them. He is a voracious reader and has more than the permitted 25 books in his cell, including several Bibles. > > "Underneath my table, I have a box of media interview requests that I've never answered, hundreds. And on top of that is another box of personal correspondence. Letters are hard for me. I hardly ever write." > > Chapman now speaks to only one person, a local newspaper reporter called Jack Jones, who is also the author of the biography Let Me Take You Down: Inside The Mind of Mark Chapman, The Man Who Killed John Lennon. The recent Jones interviews, more than three hours long, took place in July. They are for a Court TV documentary to be broadcast next week, Death Of A Beatle. > > Jones believes that the seeds of the killing were sown in Chapman as a 10-year-old playing nothing but Beatles music, emerging as a Jesus-obsessed adolescent with a precarious grip on reality. > > He sees Chapman regularly, and is clear about one thing. "This is a person who just made a choice to do evil at a great level. Then John Lennon, his hero, talks of being bigger than Jesus and imagining no heaven. Chapman simply wanted to hurt as many people as possible and by killing John Lennon he knew he could cause the maximum pain to a world he hated." > > Music was at the rotten core of Mark Chapman as he grew up a troubled loner and he has now reassessed the music of the man he killed. "He truly cared about people. he was a human being. He wasn't perfect, just like all of us," says Chapman. "I don't think he thought of himself as a Messiah. But here was a man who had power and money and I think he, you know, kind of blew all that off there, especially towards the end, and said: 'It's about people.' His songs, they're not phoney." > > Chapman also plays guitar. "I'm working on some Joni Mitchell stuff," he says. I like what you call folk rock now: Joni Mitchell, America, Don McLean. I've mellowed. The music soothes me." > > Music is still the way he tries to understand what he did. "I often sit, particularly lately, I think: 'Gee, I'm here, 45 years old, and I'm a living human being. I'm in jail for murder, who knows when I'll get out. But I'm alive, you know. Where's this other fellow at? He's not here any more, he's gone. That bothers me a great deal."And the Beatles? "I don't have any Beatles tapes," he says. And the new Mark Chapman who will sit before the parole board has no problems when he hears their songs on the radio. "Doesn't bother me at all. I mean, it's good music." > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 02:28:36 EDT > From: JRMCo1@aol.com > Subject: What song, please? > > > > - -Julius > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2000 #513 > ***************************** > > ------- > Post messages to the list at > Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to > ------- > Siquomb, isn't she? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:10:41 +0100 From: Ivan Teage Subject: Tape Trading Hi - I am new to the list and was hoping some of you may be able to help me obtain some early Joni concert recordings - I have only ever found one tape but I'm sure there are more out there! the one I have, if anyone wants to trade is labelled as - CLUB 44 Cambridge, MA - January 1968 7 tracks - Night in the city/Gift of the Magi/I had a King/Morning Morgantown/Valli/Song to a Seagull/Both Sides Now (about 30 mins) I'm mainly interested in early solo performances, but information on any recordings would be greatly appreciatted. Thanks in advance, Ivan, UK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:36:51 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: What song, please? I always pictured a cross. The reference to worship and then the hammers and boards and nails always made me think of Jesus. Sort of like the John Lennon line "Christ you know it ain't easy....They're gonna crucify me." IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/25/00 2:57:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > TanyerSCO@aol.com writes: > > << start bringing out the boards and the nails."> > >> > Does anyone disagree that her reference to hammers, boards and nails is to > make a coffin? > That's always been my interpretation, but with so many others on this list, > I'm sure there are some other ideas. > > Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:51:57 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: hammers, boards and trees NJC In a message dated 9/26/00 7:26:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << < Getting back to a "tape" tree, who's in? Just Michael and me?? Who's in?? >> Well, I'm always game for sharing some tunes, Jim...what's on the platter? >> Count me in too. If it is decided to do CDs v. tape, I'll volunteer as a branch. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:04:35 EDT From: SBardMusic@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #515 for the roses lyrics: you are brilliant people. i like the meanings you've offered. all seem right on to me. would like to add that the hammers, boards and nails bit not only references jesus, but to a more timely matter, it seems highly possible joni is referencing john lennon and his "they're gonna crucify me" line from The Ballad Of John and Yoko some three and a half years earlier. as for the first line of that stanza about being ungrateful with her teeth sunk in the hand... this is joni admitting she's complaining about the music industry, but further admitting that she doesn't feel completely comfortable giving up the good stuff it offers her. by this moment in time, she was very wealthy with much reward given her by the beast she is attacking in the amazing and brilliant song. stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:22:02 -0700 From: Andrew Baio Subject: Re: hammers, boards and trees NJC >Count me in too. If it is decided to do CDs v. tape, I'll volunteer as a >branch. I'm game for a CD-only tree. I don't even own a dual tape deck. -- Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:50:49 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Patricia Barber - NJC Joniphiles - One of my favorite "new" artists, Patricia Barber, has released a new album today, called "Nightclub" - an album of jazz standards. She will be touring outside of Chicago (which is rare for her) over the next two months. She puts on an incredible show, I urge you to check her out if you can. September 29 Chicago, IL Park West *Record Release Performance* October 4 Boston, MA Regattbar October 6&7 Burlington, VT Flynn Theater October 9 Washington, DC Blues Alley October 10 & 11 New York, NY Joe's Pub October 20 Minneapolis, MN Fineline Theater October 22 Ann Arbor, MI Firefly October 24 Buffalo, NY Tralfamadore November 2 Berlin, Germany Berlin Jazz Festival November 13 Santa Cruz, CA Kuumbwa Jazz Center November 15 San Francisco, CA Bimbo's 365 Club Les NP: New Lost City Ramblers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:22:46 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: What song, please? "Eric Wilcox" wrote: >>Maybe this reference is to crucifiction? Hammering Jesus to the cross? Crucifiction: What those who don't believe that Jesus' crucifixion actually happened call it. (insert emoticon here) But seriously, folks ... I seem to remember some Joni interview in which she compares the fleeting fame of celebrity with the demise of the honeymoon period after a political election and with the crucifixion. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:25:48 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: The Arbutus Story Joni sez: >>I was sort of working on the Thoreau theory I'm starting a band called Thoreau Theory. Look for us on Letterman in a year. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:37:18 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Simon & Bard "Stephen Epstein" wrote: >Subject: Simon & Bard >From time to time I have a night of playing albums. This evening I put >on Simon & Bard- "Musaic" a release from 1980. (I'm dating myself here!) >Fred Simon on piano and Michael Bard on sax, flute and clarinet, w/Steve >Rodby, Paul Wertico, Larry Coryell... Side 2, track 1 is entitled "Song for Joni >Mitchell" Anyone know it? I suspect Bob M might! >Given the year it was recorded- it is the perfect tribute to Ms. Mitchell. >A Tom Scott influence perhaps. Quite happy, loving, romantic..... and >still enjoyable. > >I urge you all to try and listen. Boy, are my ears are burning ... Stephen, thanks so much for the lovely compliment and kind words; I'm so glad you're still getting pleasure from my music. And you have a working turntable ... far out! There has been off and on talk about a Simon & Bard CD compilation, but unfortunately Rounder Records, who bought the Flying Fish catalogue, doesn't seem interested. When I wrote that song I felt like I was channeling Joni, so profound is her musical impact on me. And yes, definitely a Tom Scott influence in the woodwinds, circa For The Roses (which I've had in my car recently and listening to repeatedly ... what a funking masterpiece). Thanks for taking the time to write, and thanks for digging the music. Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:44:30 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: hammers, boards and trees NJC Count me in on a CD tree-- I've got a burner and would be happy to be a branch. eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Baio Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 10:22 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: hammers, boards and trees NJC >Count me in too. If it is decided to do CDs v. tape, I'll volunteer as a >branch. I'm game for a CD-only tree. I don't even own a dual tape deck. -- Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:59:51 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: [JoniMitchellfans] New file uploaded to JoniMitchellfans catgirl, thanks for modifying the list so all members can now access the archived messages. I noticed that there are only about 100 members... guess that means there are about 500 jmdlers who have no idea of just how many rare Joni pics and scanned jpegs of her art are there... people really should sign up and check it out... especially now! :o) tanx again, pat >I am looking into the matter and will post the answer when I get it...> Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:13:09 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: hammers, boards and trees NJC (md) In a message dated 9/26/00 10:49:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, edwilcox@students.wisc.edu writes: << "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde >> Ok Ill bite. Is Saddam Hussein "charming" or "tedious". marcel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:15:06 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: hammers, boards and trees NJC (md) Hehehe.... well, I'd have to go with tedious-- wouldn't you? He just won't seem to go away... But I must admit-- in that beret he looks pretty charming to me. :) eric - -----Original Message----- From: MDESTE1@aol.com [mailto:MDESTE1@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 1:13 PM To: edwilcox@students.wisc.edu; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: hammers, boards and trees NJC (md) In a message dated 9/26/00 10:49:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, edwilcox@students.wisc.edu writes: << "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde >> Ok Ill bite. Is Saddam Hussein "charming" or "tedious". marcel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:51:00 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: "For The Roses" Lyrics Paul, You wrote: >I'm only going by recollections of Charleton Heston in the movies, but also >think of boards as being cut by the kinds of saws they didn't have in the >1st >century. Seems to me board wood is an invention of a period later than >that. > >Paul I Umm, what did Moses use for that old boat? Seems the difference is one of size between "board" and "plank" but the technology was the same.:-) Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:41:31 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "For The Roses" Lyrics NJC <> Noah would be the man with the boat, of course, he came before Moses anyway, so the argument still "holds water"...;~) Moses floated in a basket made from reeds, then he crossed the Red Sea on foot, no boat necessary! Bob NP: REM, "Suspicion" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:46:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Mark Knopfler's "saling to philadelpia" -- New release Review NJC At an hour long, I'm putting up my best Mr. Spock raised eyebrow as Mark Knopfler's latest album slips into the CD player. If it's like most albums I've purchased in the last 8 years or so -- that length indicates there's probably about 42 minutes or so of worthwhile material in store. Well, "sailing to philadelphia" is a musical cup of Maxwell House ... good to the last drop. Here is all the wonderful atmospheric playing of "Love Over Gold", but Mr. Knopfler's mellowed with age, and keeps the tracks under the 6-minute mark for the most part this time. The players and guest stars, most notably including a James Taylor duet on the title cut, and a later duet with Van Morrison on "The Last Laugh", and additional back vocals by the likes of Gillian Welch, David Rawlings and Glenn Tilbrook -- work to create a collection of incomparable consistency, insight, and good old fashioned beauty. Beds of dark pedal steel and synths support an overall bluesy, but never once cliche style of composing that will instantly appeal to fans of Joni Mitchell, as well as those devotees of Dire Straits. Knopfler's guitar tone varies from track to track -- each a perfect compliment. The tracks are chock full of some of the most elegant, yet understated electric solo playing Knopfler's ever done -- accented with the occasional violin, sax or mute trumpet that never once gets in the way. If you remember, and still prefer to hear, songs which are strongly written, elegantly arranged, and produced in such a way as to have every track serve the song, instead of the producer's ego -- this album is for you. Grade: A+ Don Rowe ===== My debut CD "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:48:21 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: "For The Roses" Lyrics In a message dated 9/26/00 2:51:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, diquintevans@hotmail.com writes: << Umm, what did Moses use for that old boat? >> Sorry, I don't recall Moses having a boat. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:21:31 +0100 From: "dave foers" Subject: BSN Tour Plus for UK & Beyond Hello, thanks to the generosity of, and as the result of fruitful swaps with, John van Tiel, Jim L'Hommedieu, and Ashara, I would like to offer any Joni fans in the UK and beyond, the opportunity of obtaining CD/Tape copies of several of the Both Sides Now Concerts plus various other live performances dating from the 1970's to the 1990's. Please contact me directly for full list and details. Best Wishes Dave, Stoke-on-Trent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:23:21 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Speechless, Take Two I added a track to Andy's ftp site last night. It originally appeared on Simon's tape tree #5 and it's my favorite track from all of the tape trees. (Andy's ftp site is waxy.org. The username is joni and the password is joni. He declared it open to all JMDLers and there's a folder for uploads - HINT!) Joni doesn't let us see "behind the curtain" very often, but on this track, she does. It's from an interview on the BBC, from a programme called "My Top 12" in 1983. In it, Joni is talking about a new instrumental track that has full backing but no words. It's just scat-singing to define the melody. But WOW, WHAT SCAT SINGING! I love this track and I wish she'd have given us all of it. She spoke of struggling to put English words to the French vowels that (at the time) occupied the melody. Geniuses struggle? In interviews, she rarely talks about struggling but on this track, at this time, she is flat out stumped. The melody will be instantly recognizable to anyone who has heard the album "Night Ride Home" but I'm not gonna spoil the shock here. Sometimes this track, this rare glimpse at a new melody, this beautiful scatting, this sample of how special the tape trees are, really gets to me. Feel the love. :) All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:35:08 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: "For The Roses" Lyrics NJC In a message dated 9/26/00 3:47:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Moses floated in a basket made from reeds, then he crossed the Red Sea on foot, no boat necessary! >> Yes, but Moses was wearing Frye boots which brings us back to Joni and FTR :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:42:12 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: Re: Search for a Joni favorite movie NJC Not that I haven't been accused of beating the dead horse before, but I finally got a clarifying response from the Museum of Radio and Television today. Michael Buening of Research Services there faxed me the following message: "I have found a source which confirms that WNEW-TV in New York was the originator of "It's 10 pm, do you know where your children are?" No, Mr. Buening did not reveal his source. I'll take his word on it, though. I'd forgotten I'd even inquired on this. Happy Birthday, Libras! CC "Last night the ghost of my old ideals reran on Channel 5" -- JM >From: IVPAUL42@aol.com >To: ckarma@hotmail.com, joni_reigns@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Search for a Joni favorite movie NJC >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:14:28 EDT > >In a message dated 8/17/00 10:28:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >ckarma@hotmail.com writes: > ><< The news followed a movie at 10pm every weeknight opening with > the line (which they originated), "It's 10 P.M. Do you know where your > children are?" > > CC >> > >What makes you think that station originated that line? >Several stations in Chicago used it when I was a child 40 years ago or >more. >It wasn't the station's idea to ask the question so much as the result of a >citywide curfew on children. It's asked on TV in any city that has such a >curfew. > >Paul I _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:11:24 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: Diana Krall (NJC) I love reading posts mentioning Diana Krall, and especially those that cite her version of "When I Look In Your Eyes." I always start to laugh and am thankful that such a beautiful song was rescued from being associated forever with Rex Harrison looking deeply into one side of a PushMe, PullU (two headed llama) when he sang it in the original "Doctor Doolittle." CC "I've looked at love from both sides now." -- JM _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:19:06 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Open Letter To Joni Mitchell Joni, Someday I'd like to hear (read buy) the instrumental scat version that you called "Speechless". I think it's an important piece of the Joni Genius. Would you please consider putting it out? Puuuuulease?? There are alot of us on the list who would want to buy a Boxed Set of stuff like this- and the original Mingus versions with the original band!! And I'd like to hear a complete version of you and Mr. Mingus singing "I's A-Muggin" or hell, anything else! JMDL loves Joni! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu p.s. Note to Listers: Yes, Joni has friends who read the JMDL list. Now Playing: "Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell" by David Lahm, soon to be known as 'volume one'. Yea!!! Go David!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:24:54 -0700 From: Andy Baio Subject: Re: Speechless, Take Two Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I added a track to Andy's ftp site last night. It originally appeared on > Simon's tape tree #5 and it's my favorite track from all of the tape trees. > (Andy's ftp site is waxy.org. The username is joni and the password is > joni. He declared it open to all JMDLers and there's a folder for uploads - > HINT!) Thanks so much, Jim. The track is amazing. I put a copy of your post in a .TXT file to accompany the song. Everyone's welcome to download as much as they like, but please share whatever music you have! Let's make this an amazing resource for all. Also, I took Mark's suggestions to heart, and after doing some research, I encourage everybody to upload SHN files in addition to MP3s if you prefer. -- Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:27:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: the libras the libras!!!! NJC i have just realized that there's one very special libra i've forgotten to include in my worldwide greetings: MR JOHN VAN TIEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to quote ashara: what was i thinking?!?!?!?!?! so shower THE uncle of all uncles with love and song! he's suave, he's fun, he feeds you belgium chocolate and he fakes the best british accent i've heard this side of buckingham palace. uncle: you rock the house! [literally: you're so tall!!!!] wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:01:40 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: "For the Roses" lyrics IVPAUL responded to WirlyPearl << Suddenly she's not hot anymore, someone else becomes the new media darling, her 15 minutes are up. Hence, the reference to "bringing out the hammers and the boards and the nails....as in "this building is condemned". >> << My interpretation is at least consistent with this in that a condemned building is ready for "burial." The crucifixion one seems more popular, but I suggest it's a leap of faith to get from boards to a cross, which is made of posts, not boards. Wow!! Thank you both for this great clarification of those lyrics. I always pictured the Jesus image, as soon as he had the taste for worship, they brought out the nails and crucified him. But, I really like the condemned building imagery, too. Just as the star is getting used to worship, they board over the marquis after her "15 minutes" are through. They are very much parallel. Either way, you have the glory, then the fall. That's one of the wonderful things about Joni's lyrics: the same feeling is absorbed no matter how you translate the actual words. Rather like an impressionistic painting that projects more of a mood than a detailed and definable image. From near or far, looking closely at the brushstrokes or taking it all in, will have more of a sense of an image than you have an image. I appreciate the added insight from these other viewpoints. Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:45:40 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC editorial notes Paul wrote: >I'm only going by recollections of Charleton Heston in the movies, but also >think of boards as being cut by the kinds of saws they didn't have in the >1st >century. Seems to me board wood is an invention of a period later than >that. Diane responded: Umm, what did Moses use for that old boat? Seems the difference is one of size between "board" and "plank" but the technology was the same.:-) As the resident clergy in the JMDL perhaps I should jump in: it was Noah with the ark, although Moses did start out in a floating basket... and there were boards in those days and used in crucifixion and as well in every use we have... saws were not as we know them but from the "metal" ages (iron, bronze, etc.) onward, they had cutting devices and planes for planing wood smooth. And the spelling is "Charlton." And somewhere a few posts back this all became NJC. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:33:33 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Reeling in the ears (NJC) Hi all, My ears are still burning from the fires I started with my comments about Melissa Etheridge. I really didn't mean to offend people, but I just thought the whole thing was way weird, and I do wonder how the kids are going to be affected. I hadn't realized that it was such as political hotpoint. But, I'm naive like that. It was interesting, however, to see how many different points of view there are on the list. We do cover a wide spectrum, which is a real good thing. For those of you who have since decided to hate me, or pity me, or worse, ignore me, I'd like you to know I've learned two important things.... (1) It really is none of my business what people do in their private lives, even if they are celebrities and pose for national magazine covers -- if I peek into the tabloids at the supermarket counter, I should at least be careful not to admit that I do. Usually, I don't talk about sex or sexuality -- my standard line is "I don't talk about sex unless I'm having it with you." I don't know why I went off on that topic, again! Perhaps I have issues? And, (2) I really am pretty naive about politics. There's one Joni song title that pretty much sums me up -- I don't know where I stand. I never seem to fit in, nor ever had. Too conservative for the liberals and too liberal for the conservatives. Too sober for the hippies, too high for the straights. Too pagan for the Christians, too Christian for the pagans. Too effeminate for the jocks, too homophobic for the gays. So, I apologize for offending a whole segment of our list. I honestly did not make the connection -- I was commenting about the whole media circus about Etheride and Cypher, and the possible effect on the kids. And, I openly admit, I don't know the women personally -- I was simply making comments about my opinion on their public behaviors. But, I was talking about two adults, two children, and perhaps David Crosby by artificial association. I had NO idea that my post would be perceived by some as a commentary on the ENTIRE homosexual population of the whole world. Hell, I don't even know the entire homosexual population of the whole world. So, I will not ever comment on sexuality, articificial insemination, or other sensitive political matters of any kind on the Joni Mitchell Discussion List again! Harpy Birthday to all the other Librans on the list! Hey, does anyone know what percentage of astrological signs comprise this list? It seems as if we have a lot of Librans. Regards and peace, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:04:30 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Reeling in the ears (NJC) Harper Lou threatened: > So, I will not ever comment on sexuality, articificial insemination, or > other sensitive political matters of any kind on the Joni Mitchell > Discussion List again! Please please please don't do that! I, for one, want you to contribute when you have the time and inclination, on this or any other topic. > Harpy Birthday to all the other Librans on the list! Why, thank you! - --Michael, Libra (therefore opinionated but diplomatic. at least i like to think so... :-) ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:11:50 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Reeling in the ears (NJC) In a message dated 9/26/00 6:41:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << Hey, does anyone know what percentage of astrological signs comprise this list? It seems as if we have a lot of Librans. >> I was curious about that too Lou! I know very little about astrology, but there sure are a lot of wonderful JMDLer's that are Librans. I wonder if there is a higher percentage of Joniphiles that are Libras. It could be that Libras are more likely to post :~)...........only WallyK (aka Dionne) would know the answer to that. Jimmy (Cancer) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:16:13 -0700 From: Andy Baio Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell FTP Site (NJC) Jamie Zubairi wrote: > I don't know what all this means... please explain... I'm an FTP virgin!! Some of you have been asking me how to use an FTP site, and so on. There's a good tutorial about FTP on ZDNet here: http://www.zdnet.com/devhead/stories/articles/0,4413,1600802,00.html When it comes to the part about the hostname, user, and password, enter in the following information: Hostname: waxy.org Port: 21 (the default port) Username: joni Password: joni -- Andy. - -- Freedom of choice is what you got. Freedom from choice is what you want. - Devo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:08:20 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: RE: hammers, boards and trees NJC Okay. I'm new to this and a tiny bit confused as to the meaning of the "trees." I assume we can purchase [from you] copies of not-released music. True? If so, I would definately like to participate in the CD tree (my tape decks have long since burnt out...although, strangely, I still have an operating 8-track in our elderly Buick). If not, show me the error of my thinking, please! Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:15:50 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: "For The Roses" Lyrics NJC Bob, Oops! That's what I get for trying to dash off replies while hordes of 13-year-olds are clamoring for my attention.... Noah, of course, was who I meant. Greatly humbled, Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:37:16 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: NJC moses schmoses To all my erudite Joni friends: Most humble apologies for writing in haste! It will be forever fixed in my mind to: (1) not confuse Moses with Noah; and (2) not forget to affix "NJC" to my messages when appropriate.:-D Properly chastised, Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:05:25 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Reeling in the ears (NJC) : > > > So, I will not ever comment on sexuality, articificial insemination, or > > other sensitive political matters of any kind on the Joni Mitchell > > Discussion List again! > > Please please please don't do that! I, for one, want you to contribute > when you have the time and inclination, on this or any other topic. I just want to add a 'me too' to Michael's entreaty. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #516 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?