From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #512 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Monday, September 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 512 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Book - Herb Ritts photo ["Kakki" ] Tom Rush's discovery? [CarltonCT@aol.com] RE: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Thank you! (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: memories of Wally ["Wally Kairuz" ] my debut (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] joni- digest [ZUMABM@aol.com] Re: SONGWRITERS (NJC) ["Garret" ] Re: Tom Rush's discovery? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: raising kids (and some otherthoughts of mine). NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: my debut (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Hi everyone [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Re: raising kids (and some otherthoughts of mine). NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Gold!! NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Kate Bush and Pooka (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Great songwriters and geniuses (or is it genii?) (VLJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: raising kids (and some otherthoughts of mine). NJC [catman ] Re: Gold!! NJC [catman ] Re: country singer NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: raising kids (and some otherthoughts of mine). NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Tom Rush's discovery?/NJC [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: Great songwriters and geniuses (or is it genii?) (VLJC) [RoseMJoy@aol] Re: Great songwriters and geniuses (or is it genii?) (NJC) [michael w yar] Re: Etheridge, etc (NJC) [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: SONGWRITERS (NJC) [Andrew Baio ] Re: raising kids (and some otherthoughts of mine). NJC [catman ] Re: Fame was Tom Rush's discovery?/NJC [catman ] looking for Ashara NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Happy Birthday Bob! (NJC) ["Linda Montelione" ] Re: Welcome to joni-digest [SBardMusic@aol.com] Re: Chicago Concert [Nancy ] JMDL Is Everywhere ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Bad Lyric ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Families, Bjork, Nick Drake, Jaco NJC [davidpaulmarine@webtv.net (David M] NJC Baseball has been very very good to me [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Great songwriters and geniuses (or is it genii?) (VLJC) [Joseph Palis] birthday wishes NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NJC Baseball has been very very good to me ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: NJC Baseball has been very very good to me [JRMCo1@aol.com] Further 2000 final show(NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:22:55 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Book - Herb Ritts photo Tonight I dug out the June 1997 Vanity Fair with the fantastic Joni article titled "Lady of the Canyon". There are two more sepia-toned Ritts photos of Joni from the same shoot as the photo on the cover of the lyrics book. In one Joni has her arm up and is leaning against some sort of Moorish-style turret and in the other she is again in front of the tree with the ferns smoking a cigarette. The caption reads "She's sung the blues, lived through Turbulent Indigo, hissed at summer lawns and turned us on like a radio. Now Joni Mitchell - pictured at her Spanish-style compound in Bel Air - is finally getting her due as a genuine artist." I don't like to keep old magazines laying around but this one is a real keeper. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 03:59:02 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Tom Rush's discovery? Hey y'all - I just got my flyer from McHabe's guitar store here in Los Angeles where they also have concerts. Apparently Joni has bought some guitars at McHabe's, and judging from the pictures of her around the place, she has performed there as well. The flyer announces that Tom Rush will be giving a concert there in October, and that he is "famous for singing the Circle Game" and "for discovering Joni Mitchell! " I'm wondering what the historians here think of that claim. I do hope to go and see Tom when he's here. As for Etheridge and Julie Cypher, I just want to mention how hard it for celebrities of any kind to stay together. There is tremendous volatility in the lives of actors/musicians etc. and many relationships end over the long and frequent separations and the pressures of remaining successful year after year. It's always rough on a marriage when one star continues to shine and the other is fading -- such is the case with Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid. I believe California still has the highest divorce rate in the nation, and much of that has to do with the stress and instability of show business. I don't know many stars, but I have a lot of friends whose own marriages/relationships suffer because they are apart for months at a time or they find themselves unemployed for long periods. I know a few screen writers who had some initial success then never sold anything again and ended up losing everything, including their lover/spouse. And as for Anne and Ellen, did anybody think that was going to last? - - bliss to everyone, Clark NP: Scritti Politti, Improvisation ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 05:30:01 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! (NJC) better late than .. later! my best wishes to my favorite santa claus in the world: mr bob, sir!!!!! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 05:46:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Thank you! (NJC) marian! how great to hear from you! i sincerely hope that john will get better soon and that you'll be again free to roam the world and come to all the jonifests on the globe. much love, wally > I just wanted to thank everybody who wished me a Happy > F.....g Birthday! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 06:16:58 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: memories of Wally two of my memories of wally breese. one is about the time i first joined the list. i got a message from wally saying that since there had already been some confusion about a couple of guys with the same name [i can't remember which ones] and since he KIND OF RAN the thing [his words], why didn't i change my name. i was a little pissed off at this suggestion. i replied that i had been a wally all my life. so he said that i must be a waldo or a wallace or a walter so why not sign that way. well, i answered that i was a wallyburger. so that's why -- you old-timers must remember -- i signed my first posts ''wallyburger'' before i changed to wallyk, wally le k, etc.. the other memory is about the time wally suggested i changed the correction in my eyeglasses because i had openly flirted with him on the list and i had confessed that i found him irresistibly attractive. [i had just seen PWWAM where wally appears repeatedly.] this time i took it as a friendly overture on his part, especially since he made some nice comments on my rendition of coyote on a tape of you. i was flattered that he could still remember my coyote because the tape was already old then. the third memory is about late january this year. i wanted to visit wally and say goodbye to him. but kenny talked to someone [jim or leslie] and they said that wally was pretty much gone and there was no point. a few days later, i ws checking my mail at the copy center at hudson and christopher and for some inexplicable reason i decided to enter the page. and there it was: wally's face and the dates. i started to cry then and there to the point that a couple of people came and asked me if i was all right [YES, they were new yorkers!]. i felt i owed wally something much better than tears. so applied myself and went to boots and saddles where i picked up a gorgeous man and PIP'd outrageously in wally's honor. wally breese will live forever in our souls. every time we make a new friend on the list, every time we hear a new cd tree, every time we sing for one another at a fest, it will be thanks to wally and his vision. a true aquarius, wally could see the past and the future at the same time. he truly accomplished his mission on earth: he showed us the way to a community of hearts and minds. wally, i still think you're beautiful. if i go to heaven, i'll date you. wallyK [née burger] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 06:47:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: my debut (NJC) so here's the scoop: on november 9 i'll be having my debut singing with a big band. at this time, i'm choosing my repertoire: i'll sing three songs with the big band [and they have to be big band stuff] and three or four songs backed up by a jazz trio [i've already decided to do twisted]. i have to start rehearsals pretty soon any suggestions on what could be a good set [meaning a smashing success, of course]? wallykK, wondering whether i'm really glenn miller material. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 07:49:21 EDT From: ZUMABM@aol.com Subject: joni- digest joni-digest 3fd468d-a06d4a3 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:47:16 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: SONGWRITERS (NJC) >Joni Mitchell Rufus Wainwright Tori Amos Nick Drake Elvis Costello James Taylor Ben Lee Fiona Apple Jason Molina (Songs: Ohia) Neil Young Chan Marshall (Cat Power) Joe Pernice (Pernice Brothers/Scud Mountain Boys) > Andy, i'm not familiar with Ben Lee. Jason Molina, Chan Marshall, or Joe Pernice. but i agree so totally wiht the rest of your list that i just might have to check these guys out. i'm delighted to know there is another Rufus Wainwright fan on the list:-) GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:47:06 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Tom Rush's discovery? In a message dated 9/24/00 4:02:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CarltonCT@aol.com writes: << The flyer announces that Tom Rush will be giving a concert there in October, and that he is "famous for singing the Circle Game" and "for discovering Joni Mitchell! " I'm wondering what the historians here think of that claim. >> I think his covers of Tin Angel, Urge for Going and Circle Game (which is the album title) predates others and vouches for the accuracy of that claim, though I am not a historian. Furthermore, Rush also covers James Taylor on the same LP and probably could claim to have discovered him as well. Also, Tom has announced on his mail list that he is having a big bash in St. Thomas (pun intended) in February to celebrate the fact he is turning fifty-nine and twelve months. Wish I could go. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:02:23 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: raising kids (and some otherthoughts of mine). NJC MG, what a wonderful post about raising kids and I thank you so much for sharing, but there was one statement you said which is TOTALLY FALSE: << And I'm just a dull, ordinary person >> If you are dull and ordinary, then I'm butch and straight!!! :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:23:47 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: my debut (NJC) In a message dated 9/24/00 5:51:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << i'll sing three songs with the big band [and they have to be big band stuff] and three or four songs backed up by a jazz trio [i've already decided to do twisted]. i have to start rehearsals pretty soon any suggestions on what could be a good set [meaning a smashing success, of course]? >> Hey Walter, Anything you sing would be great, but The Andrew Sisters come to mind right now. How about "Bei Mir Bist Du Schoen" or "Don't Sit Under The Apple Tree"? They're fun big band songs, and your voice range would be perfect! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:16:31 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Hi everyone Hi everyone! I just wanted to let you all know that I have returned from my three months away at summer stock! For those of you who don't know, I was away in New Hampshire all summer and had an amazing time. If you visited the New London Barn Playhouse, you probably saw me on stage! I'm so glad to be back and I hope you all had a blast at Joni Fest. I wish I could have been there. Does anyone know who Song for Sharon is for? I just fell in love with Hejira this summer, being away and all. : ) Tanya np - birds in NYC? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:42:43 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: raising kids (and some otherthoughts of mine). NJC In a message dated 9/24/00 6:02:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, FMY FL writes: << << And I'm just a dull, ordinary person >> If you are dull and ordinary, then I'm butch and straight!!! :~) >> Well, then I'm going to check your underwear! Typical weekend at Chez Casa De Mortgage: Wake up Read Tell kids: "if there's nothing to eat in the fridge, there's still that box of Power Ranger Crunch that you made me buy in '97." Do laundry Read Attend soccer game Nap Tell kids: "if you don't eat the lunch I made for you, there's still that box of Power Ranger Crunch that you made me buy in '97." Read Watch Jeff play baseball Nap Read Throw around various maternal gems: "put it away." "clean it up." "don't make me do it for you!!!" "shhh! I'm getting ready for my nap!" "whadda mean you signed me up to chaperone your class field trip to the Ho Hum Mud Farm tomorrow???" "Power Ranger Crunch" and the classic: "I said get down off of there!" (directed mostly at my 8 year old son) Lights out at 9:30PM, thank you very much. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:03:16 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Gold!! NJC As others have been chipping in with their Olympic impressions, I must doff my cap to Denise Lewis, winner of the Heptathlon, who's not only a great athlete but a lovely person. Fair warmed the cockles of my heart to see her grinning from ear to ear on the podium. There's so much bullshit around the Olympics (the pomposity and airs and graces of the committee, the rampant commercialism, etc), but I still feel moved, sometimes almost to tears, to see an individual realise their dream and stand on the podium. The kind of joy on the face of the Japanese woman who won the marathon is a pretty powerful antidote to cynicism. Azeem in London NP: Cocteau Twins - Blue Bell Knoll ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:03:10 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Kate Bush and Pooka (NJC) Hi folks, dispatches from Crouch End. Firstly, while mooching around London's record vending emporia yesterday I came across "the child in his eyes", a tribute to Kate Bush, by E-Clypse featuring Jemma Price. Have any of the many Kate fans on the list heard (of) this? I'll let you know what it's like when I get a moment to listen to it. Went to see Pooka at the Borderline yesterday, and they were fab. Just the two of them, both switching between guitar and piano, and joined by a cellist for a few songs, adding some lovely bold touches. I find it so depressing that such a unique and gifted duo can be skint, while [fill in name of your favourite talentless ninny] rake in more money than everyone on this list combined (probabably). Hardly a ground-breaking thought, I know, but I feel it whenever I see raw talent unrewarded. Azeem NP: Steve Backley just missing out on Gold in the javelin. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:03:17 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Great songwriters and geniuses (or is it genii?) (VLJC) Obviously I must add my vote to the Richard Thompson campaign. I'm also not aware of seeing too many mentions of Van Morrison, who is certainly up there, although I think he's gone off the boil. Joan Armatrading also deserves a mention, and of modern exponents Shawn Colvin and Aimee Mann are right up there. At the risk of drawing fire, I don't rate Carol King as a solo songwriter. Her place in pop history is not in doubt, as one half of one of the greatest songwriting duos ever; but solo, her songs rarely rise to true greatness. I have quite a few of her 70s albums, and while they're all listenable (and Music is very good), something's missing. One personal observation I have is about "genius". There's something intangible about this quality to me. While I consider Joni and Dylan to be the greatest songwriters of the rock era, I would more readily use the "g" word about Laura Nyro, Kate Bush and Richard Thompson. Hejira is to me the greatest album ever made, so why don't I describe Joni as a genius? She'll have to content herself with being the greatest, a consummate artist, etc etc :-) Genius seems to capture something a bit extra and unique, a manifestation of the otherwise unimaginable, something that seems to come from another place. I can't imagine where Christmas & The Beads of Sweat, Hounds of Love or The Woods of Darney come from. FWIW, if faced with the words "music" and "genius", the names that come to my mind, apart from those I've already mentioned, are Stevie Wonder, Steve Winwood, Jane Siberry, Marvin Gaye, Neil Finn, Aretha Franklin, Jimi Hendrix. Even someone like Mary Margaret O'Hara seems to have been touched with it. Azeem In London NP: Pooka - Spinning - having just seen them in concert, I found another copy of this fab and long deleted album in a second hand shop, and bought it, as I always do - this is my fourth copy!! The second and third went to good homes, one of them on this list (hi Julian!). This album is also touched with genius... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:17:15 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: raising kids (and some otherthoughts of mine). NJC > > > "I said get down off of there!" MG - your day sounds very much like mine with the odd change. 'get down off of there' is a frequent refrain. 'if you don't eat that you get nothing till tomorrow' 'out!' 'shut it!' 'out the waaaay!' 'walkies' 'oh you are so cute' 'bed!' 'come on up, Brad' 'brad, leave her alone' 'oh put it away, Brad' 'Phoebe! STOP!' 'aah Haley, you are so sweet' 'Martha-you old bag' 'asia....asia...asia...' 'bath time! uh where are you?' 'wrong end, Brad' 'you aren't meant to just lick it, Brad' > (directed mostly at my 8 year old son) > > Lights out at 9:30PM, thank you very much. > > MG - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:18:37 +0100 From: catman Subject: country singer NJC My friend Jan was talking about a country singer with a reputation for being unpleasant. She said 'she puts the **** in Country'!!!! I thought it was funny anway! - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:22:30 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Gold!! NJC Whilst I think achievement in sprot shows real talent, I can't help but think that it is a pity that these talents-like determination, positiveness, tanacity etc are not put to use in an altruistic way rather than a purely selfish way. Imagine what could be done in this world if people used their gifts for others. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:43:47 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: country singer NJC In a message dated 9/24/00 12:14:42 PM, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << She said 'she puts the **** in Country'!!!! I thought it was funny anway! >> Actually, this quote was originally attributed to Rosanne Cash many years ago, when she was first becoming well known. She supposedly said, reportedly much to her born again father's chagrin, "I put the .... in Country." (She is the daughter of Johnny and June Carter Cash.) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:45:34 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: raising kids (and some otherthoughts of mine). NJC MG wrote: << "I said get down off of there!"> LOL Having a routine doesn't mean your life is dull and ordinary. How can raising kids, dogs, cats, etc..... EVER be dull? and Colin wrote: < 'oh you are so cute' 'bed!' 'come on up, Brad' ' 'oh put it away, Brad' 'Phoebe! STOP!' 'wrong end, Brad' 'you aren't meant to just lick it, Brad' >> I certainly hope you're talking about your dogs and cats Colin :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:54:24 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Re: Tom Rush's discovery?/NJC Hey Michael - Interesting stuff you've written about fame and success. Someday I would like to find out for myself if I can handle success. Of course, some people can and do it well. But all you have to do is watch VH-1s BEHIND THE MUSIC to see how many bands and musicians make those same mistakes over and over. The point I was trying to make is that show biz is a rough biz, even on the less "celebrated" levels. I know a lot of people who work in film production and they are constantly having to alternate between being too much at home to being never at home. They might spend six months or more away on location, or practically hibernate in an editor's room for months at a time. Lots of people in Hollywood work 12 and 14 hour days and even their socializing is about schmoozing with others in the biz. It's true that as people become successful that they change friends and find less time for the ones who aren't with them at the top. I am very much agreed that those kinds of friends are generally not the true kind. I can tell that when I get screen writing work or my name has been mentioned in the trades, I get more invitations to parties and people from the past seem to come out of the woodwork, all of which have a favor they'd like to ask. Let me say that if I ever do achieve that very big success, I know who my true blue friends are and I am holding on to every last one of them. Have a great week, everybody. Clark NP: Pat Metheny - Imaginary Day ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:23:42 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Great songwriters and geniuses (or is it genii?) (VLJC) Another gifted songwriter/singer/musician that has always inspired me is the legendary Barry White. Between 1973-1975 he produced and wrote music for a total of 11 albums. The man has a distinctive velvety baritone voice you just gotta love. My favorite, "Can't get Enough of Your Love, Babe" It's always been about love for me. Another elite female performer I'd like to mention is Toni Braxton. I just love her album "Secrets." Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:20:39 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Great songwriters and geniuses (or is it genii?) (NJC) On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > Another elite female performer I'd like to mention is Toni Braxton. I just > love her album "Secrets." I just love Toni B more with each project. While I wouldn't quite use the word "elite" yet, she has a way with vocal fry that just gets me. There are all these great points in "He Wasn't Man Enough for Me" where she drops the end of a phrase, conveying dismissive sass in a very unique way. It's so nice to hear a woman with such a low voice doing some commercial but interesting stuff. - --Michael NP: ache in the back left of my head from one too many martinis last night ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:19:50 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Etheridge, etc (NJC) Hi everyone, We old-timers have learned that this thread is a very explosive one. Things are said in the heat of argumentative passion that are later regretted and cannot be retracted. Wally was not the only person who died young on this list. We had another member, I believe his name was Jim, who died in car accident shortly after a thread similar to this. I am just extremely thankful that he and I, who disagreed in much the same fervor, were able to make peace with each other right before his life was cut short. ( Agree to disagree on this one folks. It's not worth what you're stirring up. Love, Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:38:50 -0700 From: Andrew Baio Subject: Re: SONGWRITERS (NJC) >Andy, i'm not familiar with Ben Lee. Jason Molina, Chan Marshall, or Joe >Pernice. but i agree so totally wiht the rest of your list that i just >might have to check these guys out. They might not be your cup of tea, but here's a short description from allmusic.com and some sound clips to sample each one. Of course, like any good singer-songwriter, you can't get a full sense of their talent with song clips; they're best taken in the context of full albums. -- Andy. Ben Lee 21-year-old Australian-born singer/songwriter Ben Lee first emerged on the alternative rock scene while still a teenager; in 1992, at the age of just 13, he and his band Noise Addict recorded a four-track demo which led to a contract with the hip indie label Fellaheen, and within months the group had emerged as a cult favorite, opening shows for Sonic Youth and Pavement. Recommended CDs: "Something to Remember Me By," "Grandpa Would" Homepage: http://www.ben-lee.com/ Sound clips: http://groove.simplenet.com/claire/bsounds.htm Jason Molina Songs: Ohia is one man, Jason Molina, a tenor guitar wielding songwriter from the shores of Lake Erie. Critics often compare Songs: Ohia to Palace/Will Oldham, and while sonically the comparison is valid, Molina's ardent, soul-searching lyrics are more aptly compared to Neil Young or Leonard Cohen. But ultimately, Molina's falsetto is so idiosyncratic, and the economy placed on his guitar playing is so stringent, that full comparisons are difficult to support. Recommended CDs: "Axxess & Ace," "Songs: Ohia," "The Lioness" Homepage: http://home.webworks2000.net/osiris80/songs_ohia_main2.htm Free MP3s: http://www.epitonic.com/artists/songsohia.html Chan Marshall Cat Power was the alias of Chan Marshall, a Southern-bred singer/songwriter whose father Charlie was an itinerant pianist. After dropping out of high school, Marshall found herself in New York; performing under the name Cat Power, she was booked as the opening act for Liz Phair, where she met Sonic Youth drummer Steve Shelley and Two Dollar Guitar's Tim Foljahn, who agreed to become her backing band. Cat Power's 1998 album Moon Pix continues Chan Marshall's transformation from an indie-rock Cassandra into a reflective, accomplished singer-songwriter. Where her previous works were an urgent, aching mix of punk, folk and blues, Moon Pix is truly soul(ful) music - warm, reflective, complex and cohesive. Recommended CDs: "Moon Pix," "The Covers Record" Homepage: http://www.matador.recs.com/cat_power/index.html Sound clips: http://www.matador.recs.com/cat_power/music.html Joe Pernice After debuting his remarkable songwriting skills in the neo-country/pop outfit Scud Mountain Boys, Joe Pernice went on to form the Pernice Brothers, whose lushly orchestrated and sweetly despairing album (1998's Overcome by Happiness) elicited comparisons to the Beach Boys, Big Star, Nick Drake, and the Zombies. Recommended CDs: "Overcome by Happiness," "Chappaquiddick Skyline" Homepage: http://www.subpop.com/bands/pernice/ Sound clips: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=592648615/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid=PERNICE+BROTHERS/itemid=498115 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:42:41 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: raising kids (and some otherthoughts of mine). NJC > > > I certainly hope you're talking about your dogs and cats Colin :~) Yes. Unfortunately we don't keep cats anymore. the house is very strange without them. Once we got above three dogs, the 'pcak' instinct took over and tho they had all been brought up with cats, they decided that the cats were the enemy after all. I thought at first I could just stop them with training but it was a dead loss. The poor cats ended up staying upstairs all the time except for Doris, the spunkiest one, who would venture down and all hell would break lose. Fortunately, all the cats were rehomed with friends. And being cats, they have settled fine and don't miss me at all! I miss them and in fact still think i seem every now and then dart across the landing or up the stairs. bw colin-who is hoping Brad figures it out next week and that haley will have pups 9 weeks down line! > > > Jimmy - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:32:37 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Fame was Tom Rush's discovery?/NJC Clark - what you have written is so true and coincidently something I've been pondering myself after some personal experiences and observations this past week and also thinking about the Etheridge/Cyher split. I guess a lot of us to one extent or another "sell our soul to the company store" but I have to agree that the entertainment biz, for all its outward allure and apparent glamour, truly has to be one of the roughest "stores" to work in. I thought working in corporate litigation had to be the roughest until I spent 8 months resident in one of the record companies on a case assignment a few years back. Whew! It made my own job environment seem like a pleasant day at the park in comparison. I also have friends in the film business working on less-celebrated levels.and yes, everything that happens in the "rest of their lives" like relationships, family, taking care of their homes and gardens, etc. always has to take a back seat to the demands of their jobs I could write several books about friends who were used up and spit out of the music and film biz and whose "friends" in the biz immediately discarded them like they never knew them when the going got rough or they were no longer of any use to them. By just quirks of fate, my parents, who were ordinary people not in the biz (but were interesting and creative) had a number of "big name" producer, director and actor friends from the "Old Hollywood". Why would these people be friends with my parents who were "nobody" in their world? Because they were "safe" - they weren't going to take anything away from them or stab them in the back like their show biz friends often did, there was nothing my parents wanted from them and nothing my parents could give them except real and true friendship. They could sit around a poker game or barbeque with them and there was no pressure for them to be anything but themselves. I know this doesn't fit the typical picture most people have of the "world of the stars," but I find it interesting how much we've heard and read about Joni herself preferring the company of more "ordinary" people, whom she often refers to as her "trusted friends" to hang out with instead of her peers in the biz. Which leads me back to my thoughts about how people handle fame once it comes their way. I think it must be horribly difficult for most to negotiate their way through it and stay intact. I look at Etheridge and Cypher as just people, whose affair of the heart should be private and nobody's business, but yet they were almost forced to pay the piper of publicity because of their fame. I think of how some of my own affairs of the heart have been judged, commented on and gossiped about in just my own small circle of ordinary people and how devastating that was for me. I cannot imagine how it must be to have the whole world commenting on and judging these things. There really is no answer to the dilemma of being a public figure and all that comes with that, however, except for people to maybe to put a little more empathy in their hearts for these people who bottom line are just like you and me.. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:11:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Fame was Tom Rush's discovery?/NJC Kakki wrote: I think of how some of my own affairs of the heart have been judged, commented on and gossiped about in just my own small circle of ordinary people and how devastating that was for me. I cannot imagine how it must be to have the whole world commenting on and judging these things. There really is no answer to the dilemma of being a public figure and all that comes with that, however, except for people to maybe to put a little more empathy in their hearts for these people who bottom line are just like you and me.. Well put. I would hate to live in a goldfish bowl. Just imagine having everyhting you do seen and judged by ignorant people who just delight in taking people down so they can feel better. It is so true that people only tear you down in an effort to build themselves up. No split of a relaitonship is without pain. Why would people think the famous are any different? bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:05:43 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Song For Sharon << Does anyone know who Song for Sharon is for? I just fell in love with Hejira this summer, being away and all. >> Welcome back, Tanya! Song For Sharon is about Joni's childhood friend from Maidstone, Sharon Bell. When I saw her in Atlanta in '98, she introduced it as "Song For Sharon Bell". When they were kids, Joni talked of being a farmer's wife and Sharon talked of being a singer. As life would have it, it worked out the other way. One of the highlights of Jonifest was looking at Ashara's video she took in Maidstone. They have a little "Joni Mitchell Museum" with some early photos of Joni & her playmates, even the church where Joni went to "every wedding in that little town". It was really neat to see those pictures. And of course, Joni was always in the center of the shot and had her mouth open in most! :~) Sharon's wish to become a singer did not go totally unfulfilled. She made a record which included among other things, a rendition of a song written by her childhood playmate, "Both Sides Now". Song For Sharon is a brilliant song; even though it's incredibly long and wordy (while performing it in New Orleans in 1995, she say's 'This song has a LOT of words!'), each verse transitions to the next with such brilliant segue. Bob NP: "Big Yellow Taxi" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:18:58 EDT From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Foni Mitchell - Set List Hi everybody. Greetings from England. We are extremely flattered and grateful for the many messages of welcome and encouragement for our project. Quite a number of you have enquired about our current set-list, and I have promised to post it - so here it is. In no particular order (and not all played every time), but from: I Had a King Carey This Flight Tonight Free Man in Paris Little Green Woodstock Night in the City Big Yellow Taxi River Help Me Chelsea Morning California Same Situation Case of You All I Want Both Sides Now * Michael From Mountains Cactus Tree Circle Game You Turn Me On I'm A Radio He Played Real Good For Free Raised On Robbery Morning Morgantown ** Rainy Night House ** * = Jo solo, ** = Jo & Ella only Very best wishes to you all. Please keep in touch. Foni Mitchell. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:44:36 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: More "voices"? and Kids' Classics - SJC Lindsay- As a parent I feel like you should just play whatever YOU like and they will make their own choices for their own reasons. My number one (who is 10 now) was drawn to alot of the music I was listening to and has charted his own course ever since. His early interests were Beatles, Michael Jackson, and Tom Petty. We took him to see Tom Petty as his first official concert. He passed out shortly after "Last Dance With Mary Jane", you know it had the line about UNDERWEAR. He is now firmly planted in the rhythm and blues genre with preferences in the current boy group thing BSB and N'Sync etc. Although we went to a show in the park yesterday and caught the subdudes reunion set (rootsy, soulful, rock with great harmonies check them out if you haven't already) and Cheap Trick. He really liked them alot and he thought Cheap Trick was ok. He also has been digging in my collection lately and just checks things out on his own. He sings along with me on alot of the stuff that I play especially Joni Mitchell and Beatles. My number two son is a huge Dave Matthews Band fan + he also is in the BSB camp, but he is showing more natural music ability as well as a wide taste in different types of music. He sings a very nice version of Big Yellow Taxi and is an expert in making grown women burst into tears. I say keep the flipping TV off as much as possible and let the music play... Good luck, Michael NP-OOPS> The Flipping TV in the other room. Just spun-Taxman-Beatles Alternate Revolver Lindsay wrote: "Also, I have two kids, 4 and 6, and am thinking about music they should be exposed to. I so often hear on this list and in general people who say they remember music from their childhoods, or their parents playing this or that (i.e., the recent thread on music we grew up with or that made an early impression on us.) Of course I've done my best with the Joni and my husband's done his best with Ozzy Osbourne. Stevie Wonder is another thought; I think any kid would love his great tunes and it's pretty easily obtainable on perhaps a Greatest Hits of. I'd love to expose them to some classical but am so ignorant of it myself I wouldn't know where to start. The CDs I find that are made for kids seem a bit repetitive with "Peter and the Wolf," and some other common things. Would any of you have any suggestions for me on where to start or what you remember listening to from your youths -- uh, not to say any of you are old or anything. I did try to play them Debussy's "Nuages" from the recent "BSN" tour. It got mixed reviews from them (while I had tears streaming down my face) but I think it stuck somewhere in their tiny little spirits. One of my favorites is Beethoven's 7th and 8th, which a friend who studied at Oberlin laughed and said, he wrote that for his father's funeral! Ha! I guess it just shows I love melancholy music (of course another reason I love Joni -- feeds right into that vein.) Thank you in advance for any direction you can lead me. I'll let you know the results." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:17:41 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: HFBNJC Happy Birthday and many blessings to Marian, Bob, Heather, Steve, and Victor and all the other Libra folks. Hope you guys have/had a wonderful day. Michael NP-She Said She Said-Beatles (Alternate Revolver) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:31:57 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: looking for Ashara NJC Hi, I need Asharas address but am on Joni Only Content. Could you please privately email me....Ashara? Thanks! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:36:54 -0400 From: "Linda Montelione" Subject: Happy Birthday Bob! (NJC) Hey Bob! Wishing you a wonderful one! And many Joni moments in the coming year! OOO, Linda ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:50:39 EDT From: SBardMusic@aol.com Subject: Re: Welcome to joni-digest i am so happy to be among you. i love the art of joni mitchell. thank you. especially fond of FTR and THOSL. all are wonderful, of course. very much love "Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody" and the new Both Sides Now album is very moving to me. she seems to have discovered a whole new voice and direction. i feel blessed to experience her art. thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:13:02 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: Re: Chicago Concert Hi Phyllis, I can't help but wonder if my sister-in-law and I were two of the women you heard talking after the concert! LOL! ––Nancy/IA > I was at the Chicago concert too! Although I didn't see Amy Grant, on the way out > of the Hall I did overhear a few women discussing how they had seen her. So, I > guess she must have been there. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:32:57 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: JMDL Is Everywhere This past weekend, I drove 10 hours to see my brother get married in another part of the US (Rochester, New York). While there, I stopped in at a CD store and struck up a conversation. I asked the clerk why they didn't have any concert photos of Joni on their photo wall. "I LOVE Joni Mitchell," he exclaimed. "We should have one!" I told him I'd send him one. And by the way, how 'bout some so-called 'audience recordings' of Joni? "Well, I don't usually talk about that with customers..... but, well, I already have lots of Joni tapes. I got 'em about 5 years ago......... from this guy in San Francisco." Naw, I thought. It couldn't be, but I had to ask anyway: "Was his name Wally Breese?" "How'd you know?" :) All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu Big grin! We miss you Wally! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:44:48 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Bad Lyric "There's a restaurant down the street Where hungry people like to eat." 'Pinch Me' by Barenaked Ladies All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: davidpaulmarine@webtv.net (David Marine) Subject: Families, Bjork, Nick Drake, Jaco NJC Hey list -- 1. No doubt some "gay" groups would prefer that certain high-profile "gay" unions stay intact: it's better PR for those asking for permission to pattern their lives using an already outdated template. Truth is our culture is changing the terms of what constitutes a family, and that affects all of us. Thinking about the kids means thinking about being supportive of their "families,'" whatever those "families" look like. The exaltation of the nuclear family as the model of perfection is a relatively new phenomenon. We need to re-examine our commitment to that model, which is not working very well in contemporary U.S. society. We all sense this, which is why experimental lives like those being lived by the very brave Etheridge and Cypher are being allowed. We are all in need of newer, better ways of living together as families, especially the working mothers in this country. A more expanded sense of what family is, including friends, is a healthy thing IMO. That being said, for those of you opening your hearts and contributing to strong, healthy nuclear families, I applaud and support you, as I do all those in loving partnerships. God bless you and (if you have any) your children. 2. Bjork's new movie sure is amazing....she is a brilliant actress......a modern day Callas. If you are a Bjork fan you must go and if you're not -- why not? Other reasons to see it are, of course the director Lars Von Trier (Breaking The Waves) and the great one, Deneuve. The movie is flawed, but stunning. Bjork collaborated with Vince Mendoza on the score -- it's amazing what came out of that Stormy Weather benefit. By the way, who has a recording of the duet she and Joni sang that night. It wasn't on the ATT promo, was it? Oh, and one more thing. The movie's title is "Dancer In The Dark." Anyone know a literary reference for the title? Is it conceivable that it is related to the line from "My Old Man?" Forgive my ignorance if this is a foolish question. 3. My love affair with Nick Drake has blossomed in the last week as I have immersed myself in the boxed set, "Fruit Tree." What can you say about this music............that it is sublime?.......perfect?......sent from above?.................as good as Joni? Anyway, I would like to get a print of one of the photos in the boxed set booklet. Can anyone steer me in the right direction? 4. I'm not sure if it was posted here, but last month Epic re-issued Jaco's self-titled lp. It's been remastered, and has new liner notes by Pat Metheny and some additional tracks. For those who don't have any Jaco Pastorius, I highly recommend it. He collaborates on this lp with many of our old favorites including Herbie, Wayne, Don Alias, Randy and Michael Brecker, etc. 5. I've been enjoying the list; sorry I don't post more often. David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:16:39 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Baseball has been very very good to me Marcel and I are basking, he in his SF Giants and me in my soon to be World Series champion White Sox, both clinching their division titles! And then we discover that Victor Johnson is an Atlanta fan, when he wrote: > Only in baseball.... > > just saw a 12 minute argument over whether a ball that Andruw Jones hit that > was caught was deflected by a speaker or whether it hit the roof... > > just play the game... > > Montreal 1 > Atlanta 0 Penny has Seattle Mariners covered; Yankees and Mets are irrelvant; do we have anyone who is an As or Cleveland Tribe or St. L. Cardinals fan? That would give is all the playoff teams represented in the JMDL! Think we can get Joni to sing the National Anthem before one of the games? She is doing the old standards... :-) (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:20:57 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Baseball has been very very good to me Don't forget old David Lahm! I've been a Giants fan since 1948. But I'm not celebrating yet. The Giants still need to get the best record in the league to insure home field advantage throughout the NL playoffs. And over the last few days, they seem determined to squander the edge they had over Atlanta. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:17:18 +0800 (PHT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: my debut (NJC) .... or scat Benny Goodman's SING SING SING from start to finish. this song sounds great when backed with a very big band (similar to Carla Bley's)... joseph a cat who can't scat On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/24/00 5:51:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: > > << i'll sing three songs with the big band [and > they have to be big band stuff] and three or four songs backed up by a jazz > trio [i've already decided to do twisted]. i have to start rehearsals pretty > soon > any suggestions on what could be a good set [meaning a smashing success, of > course]? >> > > Hey Walter, > Anything you sing would be great, but The Andrew Sisters come to mind right > now. How about "Bei Mir Bist Du Schoen" or "Don't Sit Under The Apple Tree"? > They're fun big band songs, and your voice range would be perfect! > > Jimmy > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:21:40 +0800 (PHT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Great songwriters and geniuses (or is it genii?) (VLJC) > Even someone like Mary Margaret O'Hara seems to have been touched with it. ... and for that matter, Laurie Anderson... joseph in an unbearably bright morning in Manila ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 02:05:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: birthday wishes NJC i know this is going to sound so silly and self-centered, but here it goes. i don't how it started but i've been getting birthday greetings all weekend!!!! i'm thrilled and honored but, man, give me until december to turn 40!!!! for the record, my b-day is december 27, so thanks but no thanks. wallyk, flattered but... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:16:03 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: NJC Baseball has been very very good to me > And then we discover that Victor Johnson is an Atlanta fan The Magic Number is 4! The Braves should be able to clinch their division title while in New York playing against the Mets. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:19:35 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: Bad Lyric I remember listening to the Joni interview with Morrisey in which he asked her if there were any words that Joni didn't like to use in her songs. She said someting about Freud, and how that the psychological vocabulary has taken the place of a whole set of other words that may better describe the situation (I believe "egotistical" was an example she used). When I read the lyrics by the "femmes nues" (as the French are wont to say)-- all I could think about was that interview. Of all the words... they chose those. How... hmm... simple? I mean-- just imagine how many times those lines could be rewritten with a different vocabulary and still retain the same (or even gain a more precise) meaning. Such wisdom, Joni. eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Jim L'Hommedieu Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 10:45 PM To: _JMDL - June 98 Subject: Bad Lyric "There's a restaurant down the street Where hungry people like to eat." 'Pinch Me' by Barenaked Ladies All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:41:13 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Baseball has been very very good to me I'm an Athletics advocate! Woohoo! Go A's! I'm stoked for my S.F. baseball Giants as well though...and the football Raiders and 'Niners, but that's a horse of a different color. I'm loving this time of year, as all my teams are on a roll, baby! Not counting my chickens though...it ain't over til it's over. - -Julius NP: "Star Spangled Banner" from a US Olympic Gold ceremony for women's gynastics individuals. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:44:33 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Further 2000 final show(NJC) I always go to the Further Festival with somewhat mixed feelings, not really sure what to expect. There's always this gnawing feeling in the back of my head that something is missing, an emptiness that can't be filled. But maybe this is a good way to remember Jerry Garcia by performing his songs though I'm still not convinced even though I went this evening and had a super time. The band was really good featuring original Dead members Bob Weir, Mickey Hart, and Bill Kreutzman along with Bruce Hornsby on keys and doing a remarkable job on some of Jerry's vocals. Phil Lesh declined to participate this year so there was a different bass player and two additional guitarists who had worked with them previously. I was impressed with their ability to play the guitar parts and leads so well but as well as they did play them, for some reason, being so close to the real thing it just falls way short. But on the other hand, it truly was a spectacular evening. High points were opening with "Help on the Way/Slipknot/Franklin's Tower" , a "Terrapin Station" in the second half(with a "Samson and Delilah" interspersed), and a rousing, unprecented "St.Stephen/The Eleven" which I had never seen live before so thoroughly enjoyed. Bruce Hornsby closed the evening with an encore of "Black Muddy River", which was especially touching and very tastefully done. I must also mention that Ziggy Marley and his band had a killer set, doing mostly his own material as well as "I Shot the Sheriff", "Could You Be Loved" and coming back on stage to do "Stir It Up" with the Other Ones. Thanks for all of the Birthday Wishes! This has been a truly remarkable weekend. Victor ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #512 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?