From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #510 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Saturday, September 23 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 510 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Stevie Wonder ["Kakki" ] Re: memories of Wally [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fwd: Re: memories of Wally [Susan McNamara ] NJC, SWC (some Wally Content) - Ofra Haza [steve@torchsongs.com] Re: Etheridge and Eminem (NJC) [catman ] Re: memories of Wally [FMYFL@aol.com] raising kids ["Kate Bennett" ] Cover of RS, etc NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Etheridge, etc. (NJC) [Alison ] Re: Etheridge and Eminem (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Etheridge, etc. (NJC) [catman ] Best Singer/Songwriter [SMEBD@aol.com] SONGWRITERS ["Bill Chenevert" ] joni mp3 place ["Michael Paz" ] Re: memories of Wally [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: SONGWRITERS (NJC) [Andy Baio ] two questions (SJC) ["Garret" ] Jeezzz....(NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: memories of Wally [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Memories of Wally Breese SJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Etheridge and Eminem (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Memories of Wally ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: Etheridge, etc. (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Etheridge and Eminem (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Stevie Wonder Kate wrote: > "Albums like Talking Book, Innervisions, Songs in the Key >of Life, Where I'm Coming From contain so much brilliant >material." > I agree, these are among my most favorite albums of all >time. Major "me, too" here. Joni's music may be the soundtrack of my life but Stevie's has always, always been the soundtrack of my joy. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:52:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: memories of Wally I never had the privelege of meeting with Wally either. But when TTT came out, I sent a post about the USA Today issue that featured a cover picture of Joni and a nice article about her and the CD. Wally sent me a message asking me if I would send him a copy of the article, which of course I was proud to do! I remember cutting and folding that newspaper picture and article, probably as carefully as if I was circumcising myself! :~) I remember being so proud to have contributed even a small something to the wealth of what Wally gave so generously to us all through his work with JM.com. That's the only memory I have of him except for when I heard him sing "Woodstock" on the "Tape of You" collection and feeling like the warmth of his voice matched his heart... Bob NP: Raw Youth, "tame yourself" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:03:40 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: Re: memories of Wally >That's the only memory I have of him except for when I heard him >sing "Woodstock" on the "Tape of You" collection and feeling like >the warmth of his voice matched his heart... > >Bob Wally had a wry sense of humor, he was loveable, smart, extremely talented and at the same time innocently vulnerable. Although he fought tooth and nail for Joni to get the recognition she so rightly deserved on the web he had a lot of humility when it came to protecting her image as he always saw it, peerless dignity. He was appalled at anyone who saw it any other way. He was a very wonderful person, and Joni could not have asked for a more loving advocate. Have a great weekend all, sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: steve@torchsongs.com Subject: NJC, SWC (some Wally Content) - Ofra Haza Hi, On the thread of artists who've died young, and also thoughts of Wally, Leslie and I were willed some of Wally Breese's spectacular CD collection, and one of my choices was "Desert Wind" by the Israeli pop singer Ofra Haza - an unusual item for Wally. Ofra was a songwriter who combined Yemenite chant and all sorts of Middle Eastern music with techno-pop. And boy did she have pipes - soaring melodies with very complex backbeats, reminiscent to me of Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel - high praise coming from me. Thanks, Wally! For so many special times, besides this one discovery. The sad part is that Ofra died at age 41, apparently of complications from AIDS. **sigh** Peace, Steve Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:24:02 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Etheridge and Eminem (NJC) If people choose to share their opinions, and choose to read the replies and respond to those, they can at least attribute what was written to the correct people. I for one am sick of being publicly accused of writing things I did not write. At no time did I call anyone names. I pointed this out and the only response I get is more crap sent my way, privately. If people want to share their opinions thay need to be adult enough to accpet that people may not agree with the written opinion and if they make a mistake in attributing words to the wrong person, be adult enough to ackowledge that. I find 'gay people with minds like yours scare me' to be offensive and uncalled for and very revealing of the person who chose to wrote this to me. You cannot possibly know what my mind is like as you quite obviously get confused as to who wrote what! For the record 'yes you have a closed mind' and 'what you wrote was homophobic' were written by other people. My response to you was polite and reasoned and certainly not rude. I didn't drag this discusion down into nastiness. That was done for me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:25:23 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: memories of Wally In a message dated 9/22/00 4:59:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << I never had the privelege of meeting with Wally either. >> Like Bob, I never got to meet Wally either. I did feel blessed by the many emails we exchanged, and the one time I was fortunate to talk to him on the phone. I was so excited, it was as if I was talking with Joni. It didn't take very long before he put me at ease and we were discussing Joni, the JMDL, and all sorts of things. I still think of that phone call often, and I thank Wally for starting such a wonderful and loving family. I also thank Jim Johanson and Les Irvin for continuing to fulfill Wally's dream. I still miss him. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:16:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: raising kids As for kids & divorce, what I have learned from experience (from both sides now) is that what is of primary importance in raising happy healthy kids is that the kids know that they are loved & treasured & wanted by their parents. And that the parents have similar values so that their children are not torn up by two opposing veiwpoints. On a new note, even though none of this is really any of our business, I would imagine that eventually, both of those kids are going to want to have a relationship with their biological father. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:47:50 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Cover of RS, etc NJC I very seldom have posted a "me too" post but this calls for one. I might be slightly more skeptical than Michael about why things were done on the cover of the Rolling Stone; there are a lot of ways to release news and that was rather a screaming look at us way. I might be slightly less sure than Michael that there was a homophobic thoughts being put forward. But Michael says it so well, I am just going to say, me too. (the Rev) Vince michael w yarbrough wrote: > On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Louis Lynch wrote: > > > THE COUPLE made this a public matter. > > I too have my reservations about the highly public way they addressed this > question. I temper that with knowledge of the rumors swirling everywhere > until they cleared the air, and the incessant questioning they must have > had to endure. Sometimes putting the story out there once and for all is > the only way to make it go away as a public hot-button. > > Other celebrities have been similarly public about the way they build > their families, too (Rosie, Tom & Nicole), though, to be fair, they did > not do it on a Rolling Stone cover. I still sense a double standard from > you directly related to Etheridge and Cypher's lesbianism (not to suggest > that Rosie *isn't* a lesbian ;-) ). > > But most importantly, the fact that they went so public may be > questionable, but it does not reveal any lack of seriousness with regard > to their children. That is the accusation you are making, and it is still > unfounded and unfair. > > > I was expressing my feelings, > > opinions and concerns about the kids. I thought I had the right to share an > > opinion, even if it's not in line with everyone else's opinion. Or, does > > one have to be a professed homosexual to be able to have a valid opinion? > > Of course you have a right to express your opinion, especially if it's not > in line with anyone else's. That last line is enough to make me roll my > eyes. No one said you didn't have a *valid* opinion; they (at least I) > said you have a homophobic one. And I stand by that. > > Throw out whatever you want. Just be aware that you'll probably get a > response, but no one's going to delete your posts from the archives. > Don't worry, your speech rights are firmly intact. > > --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:47:42 -0600 From: Alison Subject: Re: Etheridge, etc. (NJC) > From: Louis Lynch > > And, if you think I am homophobic, you'd better stay out of the deep South > and Utah, Buddy! > while i am to be relocating soon to lovely and liberal manhattan, i must defend my poor state whilst still a resident. salt lake city has one of the largest gay populations per capita of any city in the country. while that does not necessarily mean there is no homophobia (i believe there is homophobia nearly everywhere, as i believe there is racism everywhere) we are suprisingly open about this particular issue. please let's not go making statements about whole geographical areas based on misconceptions. i don't believe either of these women meant to cause any harm to the children they chose to bear. living in the public arena means they are subject to a scrutiny that you and i don't have to face. it is easy to judge from our safe perspectives. i also resent the implication that women (for whatever reason) should adopt instead of going to lengths to have their own children. would adopted children be somehow less damaged by a very public split of their adoptive parents? of course not. should lesbian women not be allowed to bear children because of their sexual preference? no way. how did the world react to the SEVEN medically created and drug enhanced mccoy (sp?) babies in iowa (or wherever it was, i forget)? very little disdain, in fact-a new house, car, free diapers, etc. how the world reacts to the news of etheridge and cypher's split is their problem. i can hear jerry falwell stepping up to the mike right now. i do think it's silly to guess that these children will have any harder a time with this breakup than the children of any other divorced family has had. all children are put through the ringer when this happens. balanced with the pain of dealing with everyone's sexual identity, parental roles, etc. is the protection and privelege of wealth and fame. my 2 cents, alison e. in "homophobic" slc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:08:35 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Etheridge and Eminem (NJC) The not so much "me too" post: I note that after I me-tooed on Michael's prior post that he said: > > Having received more context on the passage I referred to above, I retract > my characterization of it as cruel and/or homophobic. > me too As far as Eminem: I fail to understand why his name is in this post. I have been evolving in my understanding of the Em boy and I am appreciating him a lot more than I used to. But regardless of that, why is he being bashed in this post title which is about parenting issues? For background, I monitor the Michigan bar's defense attorney list and Eminem has been a subject there for a long, long time, since his mother first began seeking an attorney to sue her son for defamation. That ongoing discussion makes me privy to some information that confidentiality forbids my saying more. But if you want to guess, it would be safe to say that Eminem's mother is going to lose that defamation suit. On factual grounds. IMHO mom is after $ and she does not have a factual leg to stand on. I live in Michigan, Eminem's home state, and his every move, and arrest, and marital woe, is front page fodder. He is not my poster child for husband of the year, or model citizen of the year. He is a troubled young man. With parents like his... But there has never been any hint that he has been other than a devoted and loving father to his child; he is seeking custody of his child, and if you want to guess, I'd go with he will get at minimum joint custody if not full. If there are surprises yet to be on his parenting skills, I of course don't know them. But I'd suspect they have been publicized by now if there were any rumors or bashing to be done. It is fun and easy to bash the Em guy (and I think it is often unfair) but I still fail to understand why his name is in the title of this thread. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:17:08 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Etheridge, etc. (NJC) > > please let's not go making statements about whole geographical areas based > on misconceptions. generalizations are not good Alison, as you have pointed out. I thought the rest of what you wrote was compassionate and sane. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:14:25 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Best Singer/Songwriter Is Joni the best? She touches me like no other. To the list of other great singer/songwriters, I'd have to add: Mary Chapin Carpenter Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:18:50 EDT From: "Bill Chenevert" Subject: SONGWRITERS Hello All, Of course your opinions are welcome and that's why I send this email but....my list goes a lil' somethin' like this: Joni Mitchell duh James Taylor (Fire and Rain blows me away) Pete Townshend (come on' he wrote "I hope I die before I get old", that's ballsy songwriting) JOHN AND PAUL Roger Waters (The Wall's lyrics are intense man) Dylan of course Carole King and Paul Simon There it is. Just to contribute, respond with any input if you feel so inclined. I'm guessing Pete and Roger will be unwelcome for some reason but Quadrophenia's got some awesome lyrics and Roger's kinda too recent but whatever, they're awesome, that's indisputable, I dunno about the best. See ya. Bill, 17 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:24:23 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: joni mp3 place Hi Andy- Welcome to the list! I think this is a great idea. It is a way to preview some of the stuff out there before we tree it. Which reminds me, WE HAVEN'T HAD A JONI TREE GOING HERE IN QUITE SOME TIME!!! How about it Jim, Simon, Les? BOB??? I have made the the Walecki Benefit show (both nights) available to several list members last week, and I plan to send a few more out as soon as I can so anyone that is interested can get some copies of this show. I am reluctant to start a tree of this (6 discs) because I am overwhelmed right now and I want to finish mixing JoniFest2000NewOrleans asap. Peace Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:53:04 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: memories of Wally I never had the pleasure of meeting Wally either. I only talked to him through numerous e-mails. The first e-mail I ever sent him was about the MSG show in NYC when Joni was touring with Dylan. It was the first time I had ever seen Joni in concert. I was so excited I remember. I attached a couple of shots I had taken of her from my less than perfect vantage point (which was behind the stage) I was a little disappointed in my seating arrangement as I'm sure you can understand having waited half a lifetime to see my idol. Having expressed this to Wally I remember him replying to my e-mail saying what a shame it was, as my photo was "very realistic." The next day I found my photo posted on his webpage. When I saw that photo, ecstatic won't even describe the way I felt! I remember just crying tears of joy. It can still be seen here: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Frames1.html I have had the distinct pleasure of talking to Jim Johanson on the telephone. Jim I know that you're lurking out there. You are swell too. ;~) well, that was my first remembrance of Wally. (sigh) Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:53:50 -0700 From: Andy Baio Subject: Re: SONGWRITERS (NJC) My top 12 of the moment for best singer/songwriters (i.e. solo artists who write and sing songs of a usually personal nature), in no particular order: Joni Mitchell Rufus Wainwright Tori Amos Nick Drake Elvis Costello James Taylor Ben Lee Fiona Apple Jason Molina (Songs: Ohia) Neil Young Chan Marshall (Cat Power) Joe Pernice (Pernice Brothers/Scud Mountain Boys) If you haven't heard of anyone on here, I highly encourage you to seek them out. -- Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:30:28 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: two questions (SJC) when i first signed up for the list i had two questions to ask and had put them off until now; firstly, i really wanted to know how to pronounce Hejira, and that was answered on the list recently by Kenny Grant (thank you sooooo much). i can't hold my silence any longer on this other question....and it may seem a little stupid to some people, but i'm sure some of ye'all have better ears than i. in Joni's Come in from the Cold, think of the chorus and we have Joni singing " COme In, Oh Come in" and so on, but what is she singing in the backing vocal?? anyway, i do have a second question. i picked up a compilation of live recordings and there was a song called "regarding steven" sung by John Popper. this is an amazing song. i totally fell for it. i had never heard of Popper, but some American friends of mine informed me that he is with Blues Traveller (??), a band that i'd never heard of either. so, i want to know all about them....does anyone here have a clue. and further, if i wanted to buy some albums of theirs where should i start? is there a studio version of "regarding steven", does Popper have solo albums? GARRET- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:13:48 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Jeezzz....(NJC) Only in baseball.... just saw a 12 minute argument over whether a ball that Andruw Jones hit that was caught was deflected by a speaker or whether it hit the roof... just play the game... Montreal 1 Atlanta 0 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:36:04 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: memories of Wally My first encounter with Wally was even before the jmdl, back on the "cafe" portion of his website. I posted there and corresponded with him and someone else about 4 or 5 years ago. Then, before the jmdl starting meeting up and getting together, I was lucky to attend one of the first list "meet and greets" about 11 months after the list was launched. The best part was finally getting to meet Meriweather Jones, who was a prolific, witty and seriously funny list member from way back. Other dinner attendees included Steve and Leslie Mixon, (they were especially thoughtful because they noticed my Eiffel Tower earring and upon a later meeting, brought me an Eiffel Tower print for my walls. I was really touched by that gesture.), a crucial original list member, Rich Neuwith, librarian extraordinare, Darice and a bearded man accompanied by a small entourage of one really tall guy, (who turned out to be Jim Johnson) and one bald biker looking dude, (who turned out to be someone I can't remember). The man with the beard turned out to be the not-yet-so-infamous Wally Breeze. Wally was very friendly and pleasant. He was not the belle of the ball, but had a nice ease about him in spite of his shyness. There was real magic was between Wally and Leslie Mixon. They really hit it off and once again, I was lucky enough to see that rare breed of friendship during a future meeting in San Francisco. They were both lucky to have each other. The Joni Mitchell Homepage was the first thing that I found when I got my first computer. I remember how thrilled I was as a patiently downloaded the pages, (2400 bps modem!), and read the installments of "Joni Mitchell and the History of My Melancholy." And of course, without Les Irvin's JMDL, that provided the link to other kindred spirits. And that's what I remember. MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:37:55 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Memories of Wally Breese SJC Let's try this again, as it didn't seem to go the first time around. I never had the pleasure of meeting Wally in person either. I only conversed with him through numerous e-mails. The first e-mail I ever sent him was about the MSG show in NYC when Joni was touring with Dylan. It was the first time I had ever seen Joni in concert. I was so excited I remember. I attached a couple of shots I had taken of her from my less than perfect vantage point (which was behind the stage) I was a little disappointed in my seating arrangement as I'm sure you can understand having waited half a lifetime to see my idol. Having expressed this to Wally I remember him replying to my e-mail saying what a shame it was, as my photo was "very realistic." The next day I found my photo posted on his webpage. When I saw that photo, ecstatic won't even describe the way I felt! I remember just crying tears of joy. It can still be seen here: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Frames1.html I have had the distinct pleasure of talking to Jim Johanson on the telephone. Jim I know that you're lurking out there. You are swell too. ;~) well, that was my first remembrance of Wally. (sigh) Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:45:54 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Etheridge and Eminem (NJC) In a message dated 9/22/00 12:02:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mwyarbro@midway.uchicago.edu writes: << We made great hay of addressing and understanding Eminem's homophobic words and actions (of far greater virulence and extremity than those expressed by you); now I am merely attempting to be consistent. >> Michael, a beautiful, thoughtful and intelligent response. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:02:54 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Memories of Wally Susan, Thank you for sharing this wonderful story on the list. It has really made my day :) Alan Lorimer www.hawleybeach.com Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:25:08 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Etheridge, etc. (NJC) In a message dated 9/22/00 6:00:27 PM, alisone@kirkhams.com writes: << how the world reacts to the news of etheridge and cypher's split is their problem. i can hear jerry falwell stepping up to the mike right now. >> Leave it to the lovely and talented Alison to restore my faith in straight people. . . I have been trying to understand straights ever since OJ Simpson murdered his wife and Ron Goldman a few years ago. I know there are lots of straight people on the list, and I really do try to understand you people, but it's often very difficult. Like with OJ, for example. How do you people explain him? All of my gay friends, and even some of my straight friends, think that kind of behavior is just immoral. And talk about putting one's children through a ringer -- we have yet to see any gay parents anywhere in the world match that one. Best wishes, Alison, on your move to New York. Listening to you sing on Ashara's deck is one of my favorite Jonifest memories. It's too bad SLC is losing you, but talent like yours really deserves a wider audience. Take care, --Bob Murphy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:25:55 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Etheridge and Eminem (NJC) My friend's brother is doing a photo shoot of Emimem this weekend in LA for Korg. Victor NP:Jimi Electric Ladyland NS: Montreal 5 Atlanta 4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:59:43 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: More "voices"? and Kids' Classics - NJC As far as kids records :) there is a really fun record based on a children's book called "The Butterfly Ball and the Grasshopper's Feast." It was done by Roger Glover, David Coverdale and Glenn Hughes (formerly of Deep Purple) and Ray Fenwick and Eddie Harden (formerly of The Spencer Davis Group) among others. It's a delightful story and the drawings are a fantastical, colorful treat. While Peter and the Wolf may be considered "overplayed" by many it IS a great way to introduce children to the specific sounds of instruments so they can pick them out of more complex pieces in the future. I remember games with my parents, (who can pick out the clarinet/trumpet/oboe?) The main thing was... that we spent time with our parents, music was a bond and it meant that we got to spend the next 1/2 hour + sitting curled up beside their warm bodies talking quietly about what we were hearing, or dancing joyfully across the room, spinning and twirling. The Nutcracker is also a good choice, as is Peer Gynt. Regards Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:11:22 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: NJC, SWC (some Wally Content) - Ofra Haza leslie, sue, steve, bob, mg, thank you so much for your memories. and great to know that wally brought you ofra haza, steve; i'm happy for that but not surprised. i've shared my couple of memories of wally, but they're probably worth repeating. i met him once, at the pre-show gather for the first night of the l.a. stand in may '98. wally had an odd relationship with the discussion list. didn't post often, mostly informational, and certainly wasn't one who wanted to be at jmdl-gathers. but he came to this one and met all sorts of goggle-eyed listers, from mariana to me. a big hearted-gesture, right there. we ended up at the same table, wally and simon and i and we talked about tori amos. wally had been so obsessed with her, especially the cover songs she would do in concert, that every time she would cover some new interesting choice, he'd have to track down a tape of the concert. he had 60+ tori amos concert tapes! this just made me realize how strong the music-fan side of him was. just another one of us. i thought and thought about this deeper view of wally. but from that, i realized how skillful jm.com is. considering how he felt about joni, the site could so easily have been 'gawlly, in't she the best?' he really put so much effort into the tone of the site, keeping it respectful but not worshipful, and thereby helping to keep it a real resource. and yet his true, loving fan voice came in again and again. talking about joni, finally meeting her. his deep tribute to dusty, when she died. (another great memory for me is an exchange we had around dusty) his intro to the cliff chase essays. jim johanson has done a superb job with the site since we lost wally. one gesture i've loved was allowing for open response pages to the bsn tour, warts and all. it caused a lot of controversy on this list; some felt it was wrong to have such negativity about joni mitchell on her site. i beg to differ. i think jm.com is going to be the best record we'll ever have of joni's life besides her music and painting, and anyone who would censor that, whether it was by removing bad reviews or negative comments, would be damaging an amazing resource. in the future, if people want to know where joni stood in our culture they're going to need to hear the good and the bad that was said about her. imagine how bad her 'sour grapes' comments would sound if we didn't know the context. i've wandered a bit, but in writing about jm.com, i hope to honor wally. patrick npimh - wally singing woodstock thoughts of Wally, > >Leslie and I were willed some of Wally Breese's spectacular >CD collection, and one of my choices was "Desert Wind" >by the Israeli pop singer Ofra Haza - an unusual item >for Wally. Ofra was a songwriter who combined Yemenite >chant and all sorts of Middle Eastern music with techno-pop. > And boy did she have pipes - soaring melodies with >very complex backbeats, reminiscent to me of Kate Bush >and Peter Gabriel - high praise coming from me. > >Thanks, Wally! For so many special times, besides this >one discovery. > ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #510 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?