From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #508 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Friday, September 22 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 508 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: MP3 FTP site? [Andy Baio ] Thank you! (NJC) [Marian ] Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen [Deb Messling ] Re: misc. stuff NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.co] Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: MP3 FTP site? [Mark Domyancich ] Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre [Rose in NJ ] RE: died too young (NJC) eva cassidy ["patrick leader" ] Tribute to Joni Mitchell--a question for you [Nancy ] Re: Tribute to Joni Mitchell--a question for you [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:49:55 -0700 From: Andy Baio Subject: Re: MP3 FTP site? Diane Evans wrote: > Okay, maybe a moment's hesitation; do we have to worry about ethics here? > I'm new at the internet stuff, so I don't know what the feelings are, > especially from the artists... The way I figure it, they're unavailable (i.e. live or unreleased) songs. If you don't have a problem trading bootleg tapes with other people, then you shouldn't have a problem with this. There will absolutely not be any commercially- available recordings on the site at all. Joni and her record label won't miss out on a lick of revenue. If they ever release any of the recordings that we have online, I'll delete the offending tracks immediately. -- Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:42:13 +0200 From: Marian Subject: Thank you! (NJC) I just wanted to thank everybody who wished me a Happy F.....g Birthday! I was feeling a little blue this morning at work and opened up the latest digest to find a sweet meesage from dear WallyK and another from Jimmy and I think there was another from someone else, but I can't remember now who it was. There haven't been any new digests since about 9 a.m. this morning. It is nearly 3 a.m. and I'm about to bid on an OOP Mingus songbook in e-bay. It has been a crazy month for me - I feel like I've hardly had a chance to catch my breath. It was back to school for my kids, so there have already been two parent-teacher evenings, a school picnic, and a third-grade class presentation, I've been putting together the school telephone directory consisting of names of more than 900 families (it has finally gone to press - hooray!!!), the choir I'm in had two big rehearsals and a major performance at the St. Stephen's Cathedral last Sunday, my band has had three practices and a gig a couple of weekends ago, I baked six cakes this month, five for birthday celebrations for my girls and one for the picnic, plus had a big birthday party of 23 kids plus some parents at my house two weekends ago. On top of all this, John went to England last week for a week, so I got to experience single parenthood, which is definitely a lot harder, and I've been working gung-ho on a project at work with one of my colleagues who is in my office every day, so there are nearly 20 unread JMDL digests and a lot of other unread mail in my inbox at work. I'm hoping things are going to slow down soon. On a JOni note, I went to a little sing-a-long evening awhile back organized by my voice teacher. She told me I should bring my guitar along and sing during the break. So I sang Ray's Dad's Cadillac and Barangrill with guitar and did Dry Cleaner From DeMoines acapella. They loved Dry Cleaner! I got a request for Both Sides Now, but there wasn't time. For Ray's Dad's Cadillac, I organized the sopranos to do the high part of the refrain and the altos to do the lower harmony and it was really fun to sing with a real chorus in between verses. John is still having pain. I hope he will feel better soon and stay that way for awhile. This has been going on since Easter and is a trial for everyone. I loved reading about the Jonifest and seeing all the pictures (some with really hilarious captions). I wish I could have been there too and hope that things will be better next year so that I can attend. Love to all my friends in Joniland. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:58:22 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen I don't know if this counts, but Florida is sung about in Rainy Night House and talked about (Rod Steiger) in Tax Free ("that little islan south of Florida.") Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:06:47 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Pardon? In a message dated 9/21/00 8:10:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jason.maloney@virgin.net writes: << catman wrote: > > Looking up Joni looking for dvd's and rarities I found: > The Missing of Summer (Jap. Imp.) > Chinese Taxi (imp) > > Okay so which albums did I miss? Don't Join The Reckless Slaughter....for one. Jason. >> And there are others: Ladies of the Evening Eat Dog Wild Chinks Run Fast Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:40:28 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Pardon? at 09:06 PM 9/21/00 EDT, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: >Wild Chinks Run Fast Paul, certainly you must be aware that many, if not most, people consider "chink" to be a racial slur. I for one do not like to see it used like this, even if you were attempting to be funny. Scott, debating whether to add NJC to the subject or not, decided not to since the original didn't have it... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:42:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: misc. stuff NJC << My Mom played that on the ukelele too! >> Maybe it was a Mom franchise or something! Or maybe you're my long lost sister! :~) But I'll bet your grandma didn't accompany your Mom on the uke with a kazoo like mine did...:~D Bob NP: Joni, "Heard It Through The Grapevine" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:52:38 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? NJC Well, hey Patti! I was just skimming through my address book and saw your name and wondered why I hadn't heard anything from you, and then here you are! Thanks for all that info on the Bryants...I was an ignorant fool, now I'm just a fool. BUT they still don't qualify as SINGER/Songwriters, do they? ;~) Bob NP: Joni, "Woodstock" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:56:52 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen > What is the only State in the Union besides California mentioned in more than one Joni song? > > For bonus points, name the other five states (again, besides California) she names in her lyrics. > Arizona, Florida (Rainy Night House), Colorado (My Secret Place), North Dakota (Song For Sharon), Tennessee (Furry Sings the Blues), New Jersey (Good Friends) That's six! Maybe 'sun goes down in Jersey' isn't supposed to count as she doesn't say the whole name? The only one I can think of mentioned in two songs is Florida if you count Rod Steiger's mention of it at the end of Tax Free. Otherwise I've racked my brain & can't come up with the state mentioned in two Joni songs. Mark in Seattle who didn't peek, honest! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:17:50 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Pardon? In a message dated 9/21/00 9:38:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sp@olympus.net writes: << >Wild Chinks Run Fast Paul, certainly you must be aware that many, if not most, people consider "chink" to be a racial slur. I for one do not like to see it used like this, even if you were attempting to be funny. Scott, debating whether to add NJC to the subject or not, decided not to since the original didn't have it... >> Well, I did give pause before writing that one, but felt the precedents already had paved the way. I hope no one was offended by the usage in this context (and wonder about the oversensitivity of anyone who might be), but if they were, I apologize anyway. It certainly is not comparable to inviting Hitler to dinner. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:30:47 -0500 From: "Michael Bird" Subject: winner! silly joni trivia Mark in Seattle, however he may doubt himself, gets it right. Congratulations! Florida is mentioned twice, the most-mentioned state after California. We did count the reference to Florida in "Tax Free" as well as the more melodic mention in "Rainy Night House." [New York did not count, as the references were to New York City, not the state ...] The other five, AZ, CO, ND, TN, and NJ are all referenced by Mark, below. Your Pagliacci summer frock is on its way to Seattle! The other contestants will receive Superman balloons and caterpillar tractors as consolation prizes. Nickel Chief P.S. Other guesses included Maine and Iowa ... not referenced as far as I can tell in Joni's lyrics. Judges? - ---------- >From: "Mark or Travis" >To: "Michael Bird" , >Subject: Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen >Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2000, 8:56 PM > >> What is the only State in the Union besides California mentioned in > more than one Joni song? >> >> For bonus points, name the other five states (again, besides > California) she names in her lyrics. >> > Arizona, Florida (Rainy Night House), Colorado (My Secret Place), > North Dakota (Song For Sharon), Tennessee (Furry Sings the Blues), New > Jersey (Good Friends) > > That's six! Maybe 'sun goes down in Jersey' isn't supposed to count > as she doesn't say the whole name? > > The only one I can think of mentioned in two songs is Florida if you > count Rod Steiger's mention of it at the end of Tax Free. Otherwise > I've racked my brain & can't come up with the state mentioned in two > Joni songs. > > Mark in Seattle > who didn't peek, honest! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:43:09 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: MP3 FTP site? But they ARE available, that's just the thing. If you search around or ask nicely you will get the recordings either treed or elsewhere. It's much easier to get them on tape or CD. NP-the Olympics At 5:49 PM -0700 9/21/00, Andy Baio wrote: > The way I figure it, they're unavailable (i.e. live > or unreleased) songs. If you don't have a problem > trading bootleg tapes with other people, then you > shouldn't have a problem with this. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:54 -0400 From: Rose in NJ Subject: Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre - --====969594886==== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This e-mail has been sent to you by Rose in NJ (rosemjoy@aol.com) from the = globeandmail.com Web Centre. Message: I thought you Joniphiles might want to read this article about the= the closing of "Voices" at the Mendel Gallery. The Globe and Mail, Thursday, September 14, 2000 Joni Mitchell, the homecoming queen A summer-long exhibit of the singer's artwork drew devoted followers - an= d record crowds By Sheila Robertson SASKATOON -- The curious and the devoted, art lovers and tourists, local fa= ns and international media have flocked to Saskatoon this summer to take in= an unprecedented art exhibition by a woman whose talents are clearly diver= se. Voices, Joni Mitchell's first retrospective, and first Canadian exhibition,= opened at the Mendel Art Gallery on June 30. Two months later, more than 6= 7,000 people had trooped through the small, riverside museum to see the 85 = works that make up the show. July attendance alone was 36,156 -- an increas= e of 92 per cent over the same month a year earlier. And by the time voices= closes on Sunday, gallery director Gilles H=E9bert expects that total to r= each as high as 80,000. "In a city of 210,000 people," says H=E9bert, "it's= kind of unbelievable." H=E9bert, 45, has every reason to be pleased. A succession of directors at = the gallery had watched the career of Joni Mitchell, who lived in Saskatoon= for much of her youth, and pondered the idea of organizing an exhibition. = But none had brought it to fruition. After a year of discussions and exhilarating, exhausting trips to Los Angel= es to assess, alongside Mitchell, about 600 of the artist's works, H=E9bert= succeeded in mounting a compelling, multifaceted show -- and one that is p= roving to be the gallery's most successful in 36 years. Among the satisfied "customers" have been Gareth Neufeld, a school administ= rator from Winnipeg, and his wife, Elsie Regehr-Neufeld, a social worker. T= hey drove to Saskatoon on a recent weekend to see voices, and visited the g= allery more than once during their stay. High-school sweethearts when Mitch= ell's first albums came out, they have followed her career closely, and dur= ing their nine-hour drive to Saskatoon, says Neufeld, "kind of immersed our= selves in it, playing her CDs in the car." As for the art, Neufeld described it as "a treat to see some of her early s= tuff," referring to felt-pen drawings of such Mitchell contemporaries as Ne= il Young, Judy Collins, Graham Nash and James Taylor. And both he and his w= ife said it was a thrill to see Mitchell's real paintings, rather than the = reproductions that have graced her album covers. Indeed, people have come from much farther than Winnipeg to see voices -- a= nd hear it (tours are augmented by audio tracks from five of Mitchell's CDs= ). Home addresses in the guestbook show visitors arriving from as far as Mo= ntreal and Whitehorse, South Africa and Japan. Along with devoted followers= , several high-profile media outlets also came to call: Newsweek paid a vis= it, as did The New York Times, which last month featured the show in its Li= ving Arts section. But it was clearly the rank-and-file fans that made up the bulk of the audi= ence. When Susan Joe, an optometrist in Sherwood Park, Alta., couldn't conv= ince any of her friends to accompany her, she made the pilgrimage alone. Wh= ile Joe said she wasn't surprised by the calibre of the works, she was wowe= d by the sheer range: abstract paintings, figurative works, self-portraits = and photography. Said Joe: "It looks like she's tried just about everything= ." If fans like Joe were disappointed, it seemed to be only by the paucity of = souvenirs to take home with them. While she snapped up one of the $45 exhib= ition catalogues, Joe noted that there were none of the more kitschy or fun= reminders that usually accompany such exhibits: no fridge magnets, no Clou= ds umbrellas, no Joni address books. Aside from the catalogue, visitors wer= e given the choice of a $10 poster; Random House's 1998 edition of Mitchell= 's poems and lyrics, at $21; and a selection of some of her CDs. The catalogues have presented the only tic in what has otherwise been a tri= umph for the Mendel. In early July, the distributor, Montreal's Lawrence Bo= yle of Art Books Canada, fired off press releases claiming the gallery was = unwilling to supply as many books as it wanted -- and blamed it on pressure= from U.S.-based Random House, which has Mitchell under contract to supply = a not-too-dissimilar book of her works as well as an autobiography. H=E9bert counters that there has been no coercion from Random House, that t= he 63-page catalogue is "not meant to be an art book," and that Art Books h= as received all 1,500 catalogues requested (and remains the distributor unt= il year end). Meanwhile, through the gallery shop and sales on its Web site= , the Mendel has sold more than 1,600 catalogues on its own. That wrinkle aside, H=E9bert is clearly pleased with the show's success. An= d while he says that he always believed there would be "considerable local = interest" in the show, he had "underestimated the amount of national and in= ternational interest." The challenge now will be to capitalize on that succ= ess. "The momentum is going," he says. "We're hoping we can build on this i= n other programming for the future." Given the amount of interest in the show, adds H=E9bert, "It's logical to h= ave a tour of three or four other Canadian art institutions." But he's quic= k to add that nothing has been confirmed. Most museums, he points out, plan= shows one to two years in advance, and would have difficulty "plugging voi= ces into a schedule before next summer." In the meantime, says H=E9bert, "W= e're planning to strike the show, pack it in crates and send it back to Los= Angeles" -- the end of one of Mitchell's most memorable returns to the cit= y she once called home. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------- "Enter for your chance to win a Mercedes-Benz ML320 at Onvia.com, Canada's largest source for small business products, services, news and information. Click to enter now!" http://ads1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/AdletRedirect?redirect=3Dhttps://ww= w.onvia.com/canada/contests/index.cfm?idpromotion=3D5046&outfile=3Donvia_em= ail_text_gam.log - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------- Copyright 2000 | The Globe and Mail Visit the globeandmail.com Web Centre for your competitive edge. 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I urge you all to try and listen. Regards, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Smokey Robinson - Yes It's You Lady- a bit too disco for my current tastes! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:34:17 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: died too young (NJC) eva cassidy hey nikki, for eva, i'd try to find the website set up by her family and buy directly. i bought from amazon because i got a gift certificate last christmas. haven't bought the new eva cassidy, that includes woodstock, but maybe later. eva's "songbird" IS the fleetwood mac song, but the story i was referring to was personal to me. the mac's version was on a jukebox in ohio the summer of 77, when i was in love for the first time, far from home and very, very sad. genesis' song "your own special way" reminds me of the same time, the same bar, the same jukebox in mt. vernon, ohio. patrick np - eva by heart - i know you by heart >the title was the same as the Fleetwood Mac song do you know the >story? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:54:30 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: Chicago Concert Hi, I'm new to this list. I have been avidly listening to Joni Mitchell's music since about 1976/1977. The first tape I got was Court and Spark. One of my life goals has been to see Joni in concert, and I was able to attend her concert in Chicago in May (!!) Like some of you, I was disappointed that she didn't bring her guitar with her to the concert. But just being in the same "room" with her was so great! I took my sister-in-law with me to the concert. We were sitting there before it started, and she said, "Doesn't that woman (in our row, but in the next section over) look like Amy Grant?" I looked over and said, "Yes, I think it is her!" All the seats for a row or two in front and behind this woman were unoccupied, which we thought was strange. It makes sense that she would have an interest in seeing Joni, as she recorded "Big Yellow Taxi" on one of her albums. Does anyone know if Amy Grant attended the Chicago concert? - --Nancy/IA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:58:44 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: Tribute to Joni Mitchell--a question for you Hello, I watched the Tribute to Joni Mitchell earlier this year. I am hoping that someone knows who the woman is that played "A Case of You". I would like to hear more of her music. Thanks! Nancy/IA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:43:47 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribute to Joni Mitchell--a question for you Hi Nancy. Her name is Diana Krall. Now peel me a grape... :-) - -Julius Nancy writes: << Hello, I watched the Tribute to Joni Mitchell earlier this year. I am hoping that someone knows who the woman is that played "A Case of You". I would like to hear more of her music. Thanks! >> ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #508 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?