From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #505 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 20 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 505 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Harry's House [dsk ] Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? ["Brenda J. Walker" <] Re: Judy Collins' toes, (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni at an AIDS benefit ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: odd joni musical trivia question ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? ["Elizabeth Udall" ] NJC returns reserve/ quarter actuals [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: The Greatest Singer/Songwriter Of Out Time Is...NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.co] Re: At LAsT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? [john low ] Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time?(NJC) ["Victor Johnson] Re: Harry's House/Arrangement [dsk ] died too young (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:33:20 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Harry's House B Merrill wrote: > Whereas the options for women (esp. for middle class women) have improved > greatly since the 60's, the problem of materialism (as a seduction, an > obsession) is just as much with us, isn't it? Maybe it's even more with us, > with this gung ho economy of the past decade and all this new wealth. And > it's something that applies to both sexes, just as both Harry and Mrs. > Harry are focused on it, in their own way. Yes, materialism is with us, like emotional stuffing. I think people in this money-centered U.S. society (although perhaps it's now worldwide) often see money given as being love given. So being given material things might feel good at first because it equals love, but after a while those material things are not enough. In fact there can never be enough material things if there's not love, and if someone (often the man, as in Joni's songs) is working longer and longer hours in order to pay for those more and more things, then it's very hard to keep the love alive because that actually takes lots of non-money-making listening, laughing, sharing time. So the woman in Harry's House feels very stuck I think, lonely and unloved even though she's surrounded by all the stuff that Harry's paid for, and she's almost at the point where she's realizing all that. It's a very painful situation, for both of them. My impression is that she's aware only of her disappointment and doesn't understand why she feels that, so it comes out as bitterness in the Harry's take-home pay line. Even though she's disappointed, I don't think she's going anywhere. The materially comfortable life is too strong a pull. Sad. But that was the 1970s. Maybe today Mrs. Harry would go to law school (or something like that) and get her own money and then be a partner-in-love with Mr. Harry in a way that doesn't include being supported by his money. Sounds much better to me. And then they could have lots of stuff if they wanted to, but it would be just stuff, and not a substitute for love. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:58:03 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? I thought of Marvin too.....but I also think that within the context of Bruce's email, Marvin did not have the longevity as a songwriter, spanning a 40 year period. For me, it really all started with "What's Going On" ('71)and ended with "Midnight Love" ('82) which had his biggest hit, "Sexual Healing". His biggest hit prior to this period was "I Heard It Through The Grapevine" written by Norman Whitfield and Barrett Strong. Although he wrote some of the songs from that early pop period, most of them came from the Motown syndicate of writers or were covers. He did alot more in 10 years though, then some people have done in a lifetime.... Brenda JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Does the name Marvin Gaye mean anything to anybody? He's near the top of my list. > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:09:00 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Judy Collins' toes, (NJC) In a message dated 9/19/00 7:34:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: <<(No, she did not mention Joni, a bit surprising since her "Both Sides Now" was a huge seller).> < Starting off with reminiscing about her father's radio career, she sang "The Sunny Side of the Street" > MG, I hope you said to her "Oh that song was written by Dorothy Fields. Her son David Lahm is a member of the Joni Mitchell Discussion List" :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:10:55 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Joni at an AIDS benefit I read somewhere that recently (well, some time in the 1990s), Joni played at an AIDS benefit and played 'Sex Kills'. Just wondering if this was entirely appropriate. After all she did write the words to 'A Chair In The Sky'. The rain slammed hard as bars It caught me by surprise Mutts of the planet And shook me down for alibis. I'm waiting for the keeper to release me Debating this sentence Biding my time In memories of old friend of mine, In day-dreams of Birdland, I see my soul on fire Burning up the band-stand. Next time, I'll be bigger. I'll be better than ever. I'll be happily attached To my cold hard cash. But now Manhattan holds me To a chair in the sky With the bird in my ears And boats in my eyes Going by. There's thing s I wished I'd done. Some friends I'm gonna miss. Beautiful lovers I never got the chance to kiss. Day dreaming drugs the pain of living. Processions of missing Lovers and friends Fade in and they fade out again. In these day-dreams of re-birth I see myself in style Raking in what I'm worth. Next time I'll be bigger. I'll be better than ever. I'll be resurrected royal, I'll be rich as Standard Oil. But now Manhattan holds me To a chair in the sky With the bird in my ears And boats in my eyes Going by. - -Joni Mitchell I don't know why I'm sending this but I guess I have only just re-read the Mingus book. Much Joni Zoob (does reading this poem out loud remind you of Maya Angelou? It does me...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:51:04 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: odd joni musical trivia question Hello Nickel Chief, it's the Zoob I know that from putting the sheet music to 'Mingus' in front of my singing teacher at drama school and trying to do a piano version of 'Drycleaner' Joni does those across the octave jumps within one or two tones, even more so than the chordal movement that the phrase that you mentioned... Furthermore in Mingus, she will jump quite odd intervals, nothing like fifths or octaves but ninths and sevenths etc etc, technically quite hard for any singer to do. The jump between 'He said he ran a cleaning plant' and 'That cat was clanking with coin.' is very difficult. And the line from the low 'D flat' (is it?) to the top 'G' in 'Losing my taste for fruit' and 'This is a story that's a drag to tell'. The whole song is a vocal exercise in technique and speed. Joni at that time still had her head voice (her falsetto in male terms) as well as this new area of chest (that she had been developing since FTR) which makes the vocal gymnastics seem effortless. When singing most of Joni songs, especially the early ones, it does help (for chaps) to has an easy access to your falsetto. People that attended Chris Marshall's Cambridgeshire Jonifest have experienced my falsetto (ahem). Jumping straight into that head 'area' of your voice (which is really a head/chest mix in singing terms) is the only way us chaps are going to do Joni's songs in our normal range. No way could I sing 'I came in as bright as a neon light and then I burned out right there before him' without either starting in falsetto or putting the whole song an octave down. All the best Hope this has answered some of your trivia questions. Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Bird does anybody know, offhand, what Joni's widest vocal leap is? meaning, the notes within one phrase with the widest spread on the scale. just curious. this came to mind while chirping to myself the line "i came in as bright as a neon light and i burned out right there before him" and couldn't get as high as "came in" nor as low as "him" and realized she does that wack note-jumpin' all the time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:25:27 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: Salon Van Article / April 2000 Joni article For all the Van fans out there, Salon has a nice article about him today at: http://www.salon.com/people/bc/2000/09/19/morrison/index.html Here's a reference to Joni: Morrison is not terribly in vogue these days. Critics are kind to each release but no one sees him breaking any new ground. And while new bands still bite his style (Counting Crows being the most obvious), it's a far cry from the late '70s when any number of singer-songwriters -- Bruce Springsteen, Elvis Costello, Graham Parker -- were paying homage. Morrison handled this sincere flattery with typical good grace. "Springsteen's definitely ripped me off," he said in an interview, while in a song entitled "A Town Called Paradise" he complained that "Copycats ripped off my words/Copycats ripped off my songs," etc. Like Joni Mitchell, he sees ripples in pop's water from the stones he once threw, and it burns him up. ******************** The link to the April 2000 Salon Joni article: http://www.salon.com/people/bc/2000/04/04/mitchell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:27:07 -0400 From: dsk Subject: imaginary nyc fest NJC Alison wrote: > now someone find me a place to live! :-0 You're sounding like a New Yorker already. You have hit upon the big deal topic of New York. Everyone talks about their living situation, what neighborhood, do you like it, how much is your rent, how big is it, are you looking, how long have you been there, everything about everybody's living place gets talked about not only with friends but also with co-workers, even with casual acquaintances. It usually comes before the what do you do (workwise) question, and conversation about art and music and new projects and ideas and philosophy and all that other stuff fits in and around talk about where do you live. It's always been that way, but now, phew, the rents are outrageous so longtimers are staying put and newcomers, ooohhh, I just don't know what people are doing. If I hear of anything though, I'll let you know. Your description in another post of a NY jonifest is very funny and also accurate: "my new roommate comes home to find 50 drunken jonifesters packed in to the HUGE (10'x10') two-bedroom apartment...ashara has conveniently brought her piano down from topsfield, which is suspended by a series of ropes and pulley's from the fire escape. victor plays on, while strapped securely into a window washer harness. chuck, paz and claud are performing from the bathtub, luckily the acoustics are great! tile echos! kakki, in the kitchen (okay, the east wall we call the kitchen) making martinis while maggie scrambles to the 24 hour salad bar/deli/convenience store downstairs to arrange meals for the crew above..." Yep, it would be cozy alright. Add in all the neighbors that would need to be invited, maybe even all the people on the block if the music is loudly electric, and it could get really wild. :-) Actually maybe a Joni block party would be a better idea, literally dancing in the street and there's all those stoops to sit on. Get a permit, have the cops close the street, get some extra long extension cords and party all day and night. Hmmm, it's an idea..... Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:24:09 PDT From: "Elizabeth Udall" Subject: Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? Julius wrote: >Does the name Marvin Gaye mean anything to anybody? He's near the top of >my list.< Amen! Let's not forget Curtis Mayfield either! Liz _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:26:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dottie Hinkel Subject: The Greatest Singer/Songwriter Of Out Time Is... Dottie Hinkel, nee Moskowitz, a new JMDL subscriber still wet behind the ears and lost in the proverbial woods, believes La Mitchell is ONE of the greatest singer/songwriters of our time. Dottie cannot commit to opining who would be THE greatest singer/songwriter of our time, but that's just the way Dottie is. Dottie's favorite JM work is post-Court and Spark; she even likes Dog Eat Dog, which just about everyone still hates. Dottie believes Turbulent Indigo approaches brillance whilst Taming The Tiger, she is firmly convinced, was removed from the oven about three years too soon. Also, as Dottie is quite the atrology buff, she's curious if anyone knows the birthdate of the Russian on Prozac??? Cheers, Dottie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:57:08 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? All the list making reminds me of the college football fans who can't wait each week for the college football polls to come out so the can argue who is #1, who is in the Top 10, Top 20, Top 25, whatever... Any list of best singer/songwriter of our time has to begin with Lennon/McCartney, in my opinion. And after that it is very subjective. I obviously would rank Joni high; I would Janis Joplin too (yes, she did write some songs and I'd rank her for "Mercedes Benz" alone). As a Chicagoan, I would have to make a pitch for Steve Goodman, who may be very obscure/unknown to many. And Bonnie Koloc, and Bob Gibson, the singer, not the pitcher. And where do you put Mick Jagger, who penned a few tunes in his time? And Eminem? and Hammer, who in his MC Hammer days gave us the ultimate song about child-raising: "can't touch this, can't touch this." (I sing that every time I take a kid into a store...) and my favorite, although maybe not the best, but the singer/songwriter other than those named above who has given me hours of listening pleasure is Weird Al Jankovic. The man who wrote "Eat It" ("put it in your mouth and eat it!") certainly was at my house during 'Raising children: the learning to eat vegetables years' and deserves all acclaim! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:12:45 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Judy Collins' toes, (NJC) In a message dated 9/19/00 5:31:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << MG, I hope you said to her "Oh that song was written by Dorothy Fields. Her son David Lahm is a member of the Joni Mitchell Discussion List" :~) >> Don't be silly, I really meant to say that, but I got so caught up in saying: "geeze Ms. Collins, you ought to defer some part of each month's revenue against a returns reserve and true it up each quarter to actuals." Believe me, she was mesmerized. Or maybe it was the heat. MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:11:19 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: HOSL and blindness > > Although Joni sings about "darkness" and "a diamond dog carrying a cup and a > cane" in HOSL, To me this line is about the woman. The first line of the song says 'he bought her a diamond for her throat'. It is like a dog collar, a symbol of possession and control. In the verse Bob quotes we have a Diamond dog carrying a cup and a cane Looking through a double glass Looking at too much pride and too much shame There's a black fly buzzing There's a heatwave burning in *her master's* voice again relegating the woman to the status of a dog or a pet, collared & trained to respond to 'her master's voice'. So, to me, the blindness she refers to in this verse is the woman's blindness. She can't see that she's been reduced to playing the role of the diamond dog. She even 'patrols that fence of his' like a watch dog (I'm not going to think about what that Latin drum refers to). I just don't want to believe the song's about Jose Feliciano. I just *don't* want to believe it! It isn't true, it isn't true, it isn't true, I'll wake up and realize it's all a dream (she has awake?), it isn't true, it isn't true, it isn't true........ Mark in Denial (call me Cleopatra, Honey, cause I'm the Queen of DeNial!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:49:00 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC returns reserve/ quarter actuals MGVal@aol.com wrote: > > > Don't be silly, I really meant to say that, but I got so caught up in saying: > "geeze Ms. Collins, you ought to defer some part of each month's revenue > against a returns reserve and true it up each quarter to actuals." > > Believe me, she was mesmerized. > > You know, today at the law office I actually stopped writing a letter (in my capacity as conservator for the client) to the state for an ongoing reimbursement issue as I couldn't think of how to word it... ... and along comes MG!!!!! I believe that if I propose "defer[ing] some part of each month's revenue against a returns reserve and true it up each quarter to actuals" that the state will accept it and the answer to my quandary has been found! It seems to be the perfect solution for our problem and is actually the best financial advice I could have received! Thanks, MG! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:52:49 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Harry's House > So the woman in Harry's House feels very stuck I think, lonely and unloved even > though she's surrounded by all the stuff that Harry's paid for, and she's almost > at the point where she's realizing all that. It's a very painful situation, for > both of them. My impression is that she's aware only of her disappointment and > doesn't understand why she feels that, so it comes out as bitterness in the > Harry's take-home pay line. And he has to be completely bewildered by this reaction from her. After all, he's been doing what he thinks she wants him to do all this time - making more money so she can spend more of it on yellow checkers for the kitchen and climbing ivy for the bath. I suddenly had a visualization of Harry kind of drifting along, going through the motions of this business trip, unable to shake off his bewilderment. He gets lost in his thoughts, remembering his wife back in school, sunning herself by the pool. He is 'reeled in' by her attractiveness, the shining, tanned body and youthful, alluring face. He swims to the edge of the pool and is about to climb out & join her when he is jolted back to the reality of the argument they had that very morning when she told him to take what he'd worked so hard for and stuff it. Gone are the warm sun & the glistening water and he is suddenly facing a woman approaching middle age who is full of anger, frustration and dissatisfaction, not the suntanned girl he fell for way back when. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:02:34 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? I agree, but I'd also add Elton John to this list, or should I say Sir Elton John - -Rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:16:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Greatest Singer/Songwriter Of Out Time Is...NJC << Dottie Hinkel, nee Moskowitz, a new JMDL subscriber still wet behind the ears and lost in the proverbial woods, believes La Mitchell is ONE of the greatest singer/songwriters of our time. >> Hello, Dottie, Well Hello, Dottie, It's no nice to have you here where you belong.... Welcome! Bob NP: Joni, "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:35:53 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: At LAsT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Victor, Thoroughly enjoyed your post! Eloquently said. Took me right back to my early teens when I would race (also on my bike) to Towers Department Store-like a K-Mart- where LP's were $3.21 (CDN$) Likewise spent hours pondering before a purchase. Quite a significant time, indeed! Miles of Aisles is right up there on my list of personal Joni favourites. I still listen to it frequently. I saw Ms. Mitchell on that tour, at Pine Knob Music Theatre- outside of Detroit- when I was at university in Windsor, Ontario. Quite memorable. I just love Rainy Night House. And Pat Metheny has been a favourite of mine from his early days w/Gary Burton- when he was only 18 or 19! So, I obviously enjoy Shadows and Light. Congrats on your purchases- what a find! Hope you enjoy both as much as I do. Regards, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Wayne Shorter "Native Dancer" "Victor Johnson" on 09/19/2000 02:26:10 PM Please respond to "Victor Johnson" To: joni@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: At LAsT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd been thinking last week that I'm really starting to believe in magic and manifestion but now I'm thoroughly convinced! I went to L5P to buy some cards and just happened to stop in at WaxnFacts Records as I hadn't been in some time. I was just kind of poking around and I walked over to the "M" section in used vinyl to thumb through the Joni section. And much to my surprise, instead of the usual worn out scratchy copies of Blue or LOTC, and Dog Eat Dogs, there was a Radio Promo copy of Mingus that looked like it had never been played. And if that wasn't enough, right behind it was a copy of Shadows and Light that likewise, looked like it might have been placed on a turntable once. But wait, there's more. I flipped up a couple more and lo and behold, Miles of Aisles was staring out at me in the same, virtually mint condition. Now I mentioned several times at Jonifest that I had never heard Miles of Aisles or Shadows and Light. It was not like I had been avoiding them but for some reason, I had never felt particularly inspired to go and pick them up. But I am so glad that I've waited because nothing equals the experience of going out and finding a record that you've never heard and taking it home and putting it on the turntable. I spent many years, all through junior high and high school, riding my bike to record stores, buying interesting albums, taking them home and listening to them over and over. I even used to wait till it was raining and then take my bike and ride the two or three miles to Sensous Sounds to peruse the records for an hour as I figured when it was pouring down rain, it was more of a challenge to venture out into the stormy weather, and I would value the records more since I had to go out in the rain to buy them. I remember spending hours perusing through albums, discovering new things, and bringing them home as if they were sacred, religious relics. And usually, if I liked one artist, the next time I went to the record store, I would buy 4 or 5 more of their albums and within a month I would have almost their whole catalog. Once, when I was buying Led Zeppelin Houses of the Holy, I was hit by a car coming out of a parking lot. The record flew through the air but miraculously it was undamaged. My bike was sort of smashed and I wasn't really hurt. And when I bought Jethro Tull Aqualung, I was sitting on a bench outside the mall, waiting for the bus, and I watched a con artist trick some lady out of her money by playing the "guess which nut the ball is under" game and then telling her he would double whatever money she had on her, and then taking it from her when she got it out. This was my first exposure to such trickery so it stuck in my mind a long time. Wow! I didn't know buying a couple of albums could send me down memory lane so far back. But anyway I'm sitting here listening to Joni sing so I must say I'm very happy right now. And all for a whopping twenty bucks! Victor NP: Miles of Aisles- A Case of You ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:39:56 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? NJC In a message dated 9/19/00 6:44:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: << I have to add Bruce Springsteen. Yeah, he's got some corny rock lyrics from time to time, but few singer/songwriters consistently captures regular daily struggles with love and working and family with lyrics that are intelligent and poignant. >> No doubt she's "A True Blue Jersey Girl " One of my favorites: Fourth of July, Asbury Park (Sandy) Sandy, the fireworks are hailin' over Little Eden tonight, Forcin' a light into all those stoney faces left stranded on this warm July, Down in town the circuit's full of switchblade lovers so fast, so shiney, so sharp, As the wizards play down on Pinball Way on the boardwalk way past dark, And the boys from the casino dance with their shirts open like Latin lovers on the shore, Chasin' all them silly New York virgins by the score. Sandy, the aurora is risin' behind us, Those pier lights, our carnival life forever, Oh love me tonight for I may never see you again, Hey, Sandy girl, my baby. Now the greasers, they tramp the streets or get busted for sleepin' on the beach all night, Them boys in their high heels, ah Sandy, their skins are so white, And me, I just got tired of hangin' in them dusty arcades bangin' them pleasure machines, Chasin' the factory girls underneath the boardwalk where they all promised to unsnap their jeans, And you know that tilt-a-whirl down on the south beach drag, I got on it last night and my shirt got caught, And it kept me spinnin', they didn't think I'd ever get off. Sandy, the aurora is risin' behind us, Those pier lights, our carnival life on the water, Runnin' laughin' underneath the boardwalk with the boss's daughter, I remember, Sandy girl, my baby. Sandy, the waitress I was seein' lost her desire for me, I spoke with her last night, she said she won't set herself on fire for me anymore, She worked that joint under the boardwalk, she was always the girl you saw boppin' down the beach with the radio, Kids say last night she was dressed like a star in one of the cheap little seaside bars and I saw her parked with her loverboy out on the Kokomo, Did you hear, the cops finally busted Madame Marie for tellin' fortunes better than they do, For me, this boardwalk life is through, you ought to quit this scene too. Sandy, the aurora is risin' behind us, Those pier lights, our carnival life forever, Oh, love me tonight and I promise I'll love you forever, Oh, I mean it Sandy girl. Now can you relate to this song Jersy girls, Kate, MG, Linda? (sigh) Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:4 +1000 From: john low Subject: RE: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? I've waited a while but no-one has mentioned her - a glaring omission from the list IMO - Sandy Denny!!! If Paul Castle was still around (where are you Paul?) I know he would support me. Cheers, John (enjoying beautiful Spring weather in the Olympic city) __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:26:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Dottie Hinkel Subject: the best singer/songwriter of our time What???!!!! No one's yet mentioned Brittney Spears???!!! Oh, the humanity!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:26:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: klein's sign SJC dottie, i've been asking myself the same question for quite some time. now in the good friends video, there's a part in which you see two scorpions chasing each other, and as klein appears in the video i always assumed that he was a scorpio like joni. but that's a really unwarranted assumption. he has the looks of an earth sign to me. wallyk >Also, as Dottie is quite the > atrology buff, she's curious if anyone knows the > birthdate of the Russian on Prozac??? Cheers, Dottie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:32:41 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time?(NJC) how about a list of artists who tragically died young but put out some amazing work... Nick Drake, Jimi Hendrix, and Sandy Denny immediately come to mind. Victor > I've waited a while but no-one has mentioned her - a glaring omission > from the list IMO - Sandy Denny!!! If Paul Castle was still around > (where are you Paul?) I know he would support me. > Cheers, > John (enjoying beautiful Spring weather in the Olympic city) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:47:42 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Harry's House/Arrangement Mark or Travis wrote: > And he has to be completely bewildered by this reaction from her. > After all, he's been doing what he thinks she wants him to do all this > time - making more money.... I agree, Mark. He's playing the traditional male role, but in this particular relationship it's not enough. There's such a sad distance between people in this song. The line "paper the walls to keep their gut reactions hid" has always gotten to me. Hiding emotions within a family might keep things quiet but it sure kills the connections. I mean once there's no emotional honesty, what is there? .... more things to buy Another thing that strikes me is that Harry's memories are of the *public* swimming pool, not the one that's probably in his backyard now. So before materialism became the most important element of their relationship, there was simple beauty and simple dreams and it had nothing to do with how much money he made. > Gone are the warm sun & the glistening water and he is suddenly facing > a woman approaching middle age who is full of anger, frustration and > dissatisfaction, not the suntanned girl he fell for way back when. I always think of Harry as the same guy that Joni sings about in The Arrangement where he's rather new to the materialistic grind and Joni's trying to remind him of other things he could do, maybe dreams he'd had, and warning him about the emotional deadliness of the path he's on. Apparently he didn't listen to her, or couldn't understand what she was saying, and five years later in Harry's House he's completely involved in that path and it's as deadly as Joni predicted. The wife is no longer pleased to be part of the arrangement. The warning that Joni gives in these songs, the idea of "you could have been more" so don't settle for something that doesn't suit you ... that really influenced me. Maybe without hearing Joni's songs my path would have been the same, but I really took that idea to heart, to do what I'm made to do and not get caught up in what I'm "supposed" to do. So I got close to "an arrangment" type life a few times, but when it was final decision time, always said no to that. Until writing this I've never thought much about how Joni's influenced me, but this, yes, definitely I agree with Joni on this. Be true to your inner being no matter what and then things will be ok (all right, so Joni didn't say that last part, but I think it's true, even though getting to "ok" is not always easy). Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:49:41 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: died too young (NJC) karen carpenter, laura nyro wallyk > how about a list of artists who tragically died young but put out some > amazing work... > > Nick Drake, Jimi Hendrix, and Sandy Denny immediately come to mind. > > ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #505 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?