From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #503 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 19 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 503 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Allergies (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] oops(NJC) [Michael Paz ] More toos (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Open Letter To Joni- NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] SJC - Van Gogh at the piano [Steve Mixon ] Re: Open Letter To Joni- NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? ["Kakki" ] Re: is joni the best song writer?? ["Blair Fraipont" Subject: RE: Allergies (NJC) vince!!!!!! i can't believe that something so horrible can happen to anyone! listen, there must be some medication that you can use and still occasionally indulge in some of the things you like. no cheese? NO GARLIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'd sooner have my head crushed in a vise than give up garlic. i mean, i would die if didn't eat it, so i'd rather die because i've had it. is this doctor RIGHT? how can you be allergic to so many things, for god's sake! how did you manage to survive so far? no, it can't be true. no garlic, no cheese. what next? no air? praying for you, wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:13:17 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: oops(NJC) Bob writes: "Anyway, I went on a bit of a binge...Patrick, you said that music is my "crack" and you are so right. I picked up EmmyLou's new one and it IS indeed a gem. Wrecking Ball was mostly covers, this is 95% her songs, and they all sound great. Lanois' production rubs off on this effort. Big thumbs up." Sorry I sent too soon. Bob this is because it was produced by Lanois's protege Malcolm Burn (a friend here in New Orleans where the record was recorded). Malcolm haas recorded alot of records for artists that Dan produced that Malcolm did the follow up record for. Interesting trend. Like Yellow Moon (Lanois) for the Nevilles and Brothers Keeper (Burn). I need to pick up this record. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:10:07 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: More toos (NJC) Marcel worte: "OK I guess I have to rat on ol Bob....when we were in New Orleans Bob revealed a personal secret to me that at one point in his life he was in the army and got real drunk and went to a tatoo parlor and had the words "Welcome to Puerto Vallarta and Have a Nice Day" put on his private parts. So I guess that clears that up. " Marcel- as usual you fall a little short in the details department. You DID NOT mention that it was a 72 point font that the artist used. Clarifying, Michael P.S. I have a few more bugs for you. Bob writes: "Anyway, I went on a bit of a binge...Patrick, you said that music is my "crack" and you are so right. I picked up EmmyLou's new one and it IS indeed a gem. Wrecking Ball was mostly covers, this is 95% her songs, and they all sound great. Lanois' production rubs off on this effort. Big thumbs up." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:57:57 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Open Letter To Joni- NJC Dear Joni, Congratulations on your 'voices' show at the Mendel! I hope that you'll consider taking it on the road if that makes sense! I have all 21 albums and lots of ..... live recordings too- ahem! I love you and your stuff, both visual and aural. You are way more to me than a flavor-of-the-month artist. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot- I had a GREAT time at your Both Sides Now tour! I think you did even better on the standards in live performances than on the studio versions! Take good care and remember that JMDL loves you!!! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu PS- I've had more articulate days. Here's proof: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Duality.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:06:11 -0700 From: Steve Mixon Subject: SJC - Van Gogh at the piano Hi, folks, A much delayed and pondered communication from il mandolinisto. I'll start with the SJC. Leslie and I went to Boston for a day after we left Ashara's, and before heading back West. While there, we went to the Van Gogh exhibit of portraits. These were paintings to be felt as well as seen. Vincent's love for these simple folk illuminated the canvases and charcoal sketches. And the self portraits - the piercing look that was always in his eye, and the swirls of energy all around his head...whew! I bought a cd called "Van Gogh Face to Face - A Portrait in Music" in the museum gift shop so that I'd have something to listen to on my cd player in the plane. This had a number of Dutch classical works and folk music, then French dance hall and Impressionistic music, to reflect musically the time and sensations of Vincent's roots and later full flowering. I wanted to share with you folks some of the liner notes, without too much comment, as I think you'll understand the intent in regards to Joni. "After the death of his father in 1885, van Gogh went to Antwerp, where he studied the bright color of Rubens in the city's museums and churches. He went so far as to try to establish a direct relationship between color and music - and even took piano lessons, crying out Prussian blue! or chrome yellow! as he struck each chord." Later, after awhile in Paris, visiting studios and cafes "Vincent and Theo went to several concerts in those early days"..van Gogh noted, "In a picture I want to say something comforting in a way that music is comforting. In the end we shall have had enough of cynicism and skepticism and humbug, and we shall want to live more musically...By intensifying all the colors, one arrives again at quietude and harmony" I really wonder what he'd think of Turbulent Indigo, now ;=) A final excerpt that neatly mirrors something Joni said at a concert - I think on Miles of Aisles? He wrote "We painters are always asked to 'compose' ourselves and be nothing but composers...in the music it isn't like that, and if some person or other plays Beethoven, he adds his personal interpretation; in music and especially singing, the interpretation of a composer is something, and it is not a hard and fast rule that only a composer should play his own composition" Anyway, (NJC from here on) I want to thank you folks for your playing and singing, and for letting me sit in with so much of your fine musician-ing at Topsfield. I've gotten a lot of nice comments on my mando playing, and that can be a great ego stroke for one so much in awe of ...(BillMonroeDavidGrismanSamBushDaveAppolonJethroBurnsPeterOstroushko... and oh yes that anonymous Russian balalaika player on that old 78 on the C.C.C.P. label)...so thanks for that too. It was a nice break with many special moments, before zooming back to my new job in yes, a high tech pre-IPO in the very guts of Silicon Vally, down the street from NetScape for chrissakes! Thinking of all of you, and especially hoping that those hit with that mosquito borne you-know-what are fully and happily recovered. Love Steve Mixon **Les, my first try at sending this didn't post for some reason. Ah, technology...* It's been a hectic couple of weeks since Topsfield. Started my new job in Silicon Valley (went to a fantastic Richard Thompson concert on the first day) - my days a blur of commuting to a faraway place where the money's greener. Went to a barbecue yesterday though, and got out the mando again, not having touched it since MA; played some hillbilly tunes with the band there. Couldn't help thinking of y'all and the nice times playing with you. And, I did want to say thank you kindly for your nice comments on my playing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:16:03 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Open Letter To Joni- NJC In a message dated 9/19/00 12:06:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << Congratulations on your 'voices' show at the Mendel! I hope that you'll consider taking it on the road if that makes sense! >> You should be in luck. J.J. had posted a report which read "Arrangements for a National tour are progressing well and it is anticipated that over the course of 2000 - 2001, several major Canadian museums will host the exhibit. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:11:32 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? > > The Guys: > > Dylan > Smokey Robinson > Willy Dixon > Paul Simon > Curtis Mayfield > > Who else? why definately, Neil Young who continues to put out incredible material even today... Victor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:12:38 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Do I work at a great place or what? NJC (md) In a message dated 9/18/2000 4:45:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: << It's small, (not quite my cubicle, but heck, she might stop by if she has an accounting question), >> I can hear it now.... Judy: "..... Ive looked at clouds from both sides now....[[stops in mid chorus]]....hey I just thought of something....does anyone her know if its possible for me to combine the accellerated depreciation on my new digital phase modulator and combine that with timely short sales against the box in my self directed IRA to enhance the phantom income I can derive on my non residential property in Jackson Hole given that I live in another state......[resuming strumming]]].up and down and still somehow.... Mary Grace....."Judy I'll have to look into that in Code Section 26 sec. 5 ...someone crank up LaCerte..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:22:51 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Ludwig's Tune I've been meaning to write this post since the "Both Sides Now" tour and am finally getting around to it. I noticed that during the performance of "Ludwig's Tune," (during the 2000 tour) Joni sang, "...like the feel of a warm, warm body, loving your touch." Any thoughts on why she changed the lyric from "like the song of a warm, warm body, loving your touch.?" At Topsfield I had the awesome pleasure of singing "Ludwig's Tune" with Victor Johnson on keyboard - a humbling experience to say the least - thank you Victor for inviting me to accompany you and for encouraging me to be spontaneous and conquer my fears. Victor, you are a talented gentleman and a friend of spirit. Leslie M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:25:38 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Is Joni the best singer/songwriter of our time? > why definately, Neil Young who continues to put out >incredible material even today... > > Victor Victor, I'm convinced you ARE Neil Young ;-) Kakki, who adds Jimmy Webb and James Taylor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:40:29 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Subject: Festing coast to coast (NJC ;-) Kate wrote: > And after hearing so much about you & meeting you, it is no >suprise to me at all that you were able to talk your way >through the road block! I'm good but not that good ;-) - nah, I think somehow they knew I was going to an enchanted party and gave me a special pass! I really appreciated the invitation and am very glad I made the trek - it was an incredibly fantastic night of music and special people that I will remember for a long time. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:50:16 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Ludwig's Tune > At Topsfield I had the awesome pleasure of singing >"Ludwig's Tune" with Victor Johnson on keyboard - a >humbling experience to say the least - thank you Victor for >inviting me to accompany you and for encouraging me to be >spontaneous and conquer my fears. Leslie, you and Victor were awesome on this one. There was something truly magical happening during your performance. I'm glad I was there to experience it. > Victor, you are a talented gentleman and a friend of spirit. Amen and amen to that. Kakki, first president of Victor's SoCal Fan Club ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:29:00 EDT From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: is joni the best song writer?? I definitely think she is up to par with Dylan. No one else in my opinon can be so succinct and colorful in their lyrics. But not to undermine others. I think she isnt as recognized as Dylan because.. people relate Dylan to "rebellious rock 'n' roll" i.e. Newport Folk Festival '65, etc. And he has more Anthemic songs.. and I guess alot of people exposed mainly to male-dominated rock/folk, etc think that to be Great you have to be rebellious and anthemic.. but Joni IS both.. Paprika plains is anthemic in a way, also Both sides now, Big yellow taxi, Just some people dont understand. And when i say male-dominated rock, etc.. IN no way am i assuming that Joni is a female singer-songwriter.. because that is pure bullshit.. To say she is a female singer songwriter assumes that males are above females in that category.. it is also like saying the term "White trash" which proposes that all regular trash are those not white. But, in my opinon .. some of the great singer-songwriters in the last 50 or so years: Joni mitchell Bobby Dylan Leonard Cohen Frank Zappa Kate Bush Tom Waits Paul Simon Laura Nyro George Clinton and the list could go on forever and ever.. like Neil young has a plethora of great material.. and that is all i can think of ..at this late hour. take care all. Blair F NP:crickets chirping in the quiet Northern Delawarean nightscape _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:30:42 EDT From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: is joni the best songwriter..etc.. AANd damnit.. Marvin Gaye.. i forgot about him.. how i could.. i dont know how..but anywaysn.. :) blair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:52:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Subject: Festing coast to coast (NJC ;-) Well it takes an enchantress to find enchantment methinks... ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** - -----Original Message----- From: Kakki [mailto:KakkiB@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 10:40 PM To: Kate Bennett; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Subject: Festing coast to coast (NJC ;-) Kate wrote: > And after hearing so much about you & meeting you, it is no >suprise to me at all that you were able to talk your way >through the road block! I'm good but not that good ;-) - nah, I think somehow they knew I was going to an enchanted party and gave me a special pass! I really appreciated the invitation and am very glad I made the trek - it was an incredibly fantastic night of music and special people that I will remember for a long time. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #503 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?