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JMDL Digest       Tuesday, September 12 2000       Volume 2000 : Number 493



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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  Re: Freud, Frederich, Jung (NJC)                            [SMEBD@aol.com]
  Re: Happiness (NJC) (marcel content, though and a wee bit of Carly content)  ["Mark or Travis" <mark.travis@gte.]

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:26:39 EDT
From: SMEBD@aol.com
Subject: Re: Freud, Frederich, Jung (NJC)

In a message dated 09/11/2000 9:33:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes:

<< He may have been a champion of women at a time when they were regarded as
 second-class citizens, but that doesn't necessarily mean his theories about
 them were right or helpful to them. >>

Good point--you are absolutely correct.

<<They all had the same
doctor who regarded all their complaints as neurotic or hysterical or
psychosomatic and they were all told to seek therapy. 

Two problems here, as I see it:  (1)  the doctor sounds like a bad doctor to 
me--obviously he should have taken the symptoms/complaints seriously; and (2) 
many, if not most, medical doctors are not well versed in psychology and 
frequently don't have any appreciation or understanding of the body-mind 
connection.  This doctor certainly sounds as if he didn't.  

<<O.K., so he was a really bad doctor for women, but where did such
notions of his originate? 

I don't know that such notions originated from Freud.  In the cases that you 
talked about, it seems to me that the notions originated from the doctor's 
own ignorance of medicine, human behavior and psychology.  Medical doctors 
frequently ignore psychological symptoms or, as in your example, ascribe what 
they can't explain to psychosomatic illness ("just a case of nerves").  I 
think that this has to do with their own sense of grandousity--i.e., their 
own personality disorder, if you will.

<

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:43:19 -0700
From: "Mark or Travis" <mark.travis@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Happiness (NJC) (marcel content, though and a wee bit of Carly content)

> "It's hip to be miserable, when you're young and intellectual...."
Carly Simon

This just made me think of another Carly Simon song that is very much
in keeping with recent threads.  It's called:

Floundering

First she sees her hypnotist
Then she rushes to her psychiatrist
She sees her acupuncturist
She's got to got to get fixed

Then she sees her Scientologist
Gets fed by her nutritionist
She cannot seem to resist
Seeking cosmic consciousness

Chorus:
Looks like she's floundering again
Seems to be floundering again
Looks like she's floundering again
Seems to be floundering again

She swears by Jack LaLanne
Then she throws the I Ching again
She searches in the Himalayas
For somebody to ease the pain

(Chorus)

She's looking for a cure
She does not know exactly what for

(Chorus)

She's into political activism
Reading up on Tibetan Buddism
Anna Freud's analyzed her dreams
And she's hoarse from primal screams

Looks like she's floundering again
Seems to be floundering again
Looks like she's floundering again
Seems to be floundering again....

- -C. Simon

Mark in Seattle
(fan mail from some flounder?)

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