From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #490 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Sunday, September 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 490 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: part 2 [Jenny Goodspeed ] Joni dines with her sisters ["P. Henry" ] Re: Sting in Central Park [NJC] [Richard Goldman ] Re: Nieteszche........ Way, Way NJC...... Long ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Nieteszche........ Way, Way NJC...... Long [MGVal@aol.com] Jack Nitszche (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Court & Spark [john low ] Kindred Spirits and other angels (NJC) [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 03:35:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: part 2 And the love fest continues! Thank you everyone for continuing to post your jonifest experiences. I spent Saturday night singing some harmonies with Nikki with Paz at the piano and Nikki I am definitely looking forward to hearing you on stage next year. Jeff too falls in that category. His Joni chops are amazing (as is his enormous binder of Joni music). I hope to do some tunes with you next year. Julius, your post was just amazing. My husband told me you were a writer and it shows. Magic! Jenny - --- Nikki Johnson wrote: > ok...well Sunday morning I was getting ready to > leave cause I was supposed > to go meet another friend about 1 1/2 hours away. So > I was gonna miss out on > the festivities at Atty May's :-( Everyone was > trying to get me to go but I > couldn't cause it wasn't the right thing to do. So I > said my goodbye's and > left...feeling so happy after such a wonderful > experience but wishing I > didn't have to go. Everyone there touched me in a > special way. So I got to > my friend's house and she was like well...do you > wanna go? And she said I > think it'll be fun so I got to drive all the way > back to Atty may's and I > was so excited the whole time! I walked in and it > was so good to be greeted > with smiling faces:-) I was so happy to be back! I > had a great time dancin > with my dance partners...Bob, Julius, John, MG, and > Paz and May! > Alison I forgot to say that it was great to meet you > and thanks also for the > vote of confidence...next year we will both be up on > that stage and have a > set right? > And John Van Tiel who wanted to adopt me is just a > great lovable guy! He was > later told by Paz that he had the papers so John > could only have weekend > visitation rights...lol...which he had to share with > Julius. > It was great sitting on the beach later with kakki, > Julius and Paz. You guys > are so special to me and I so enjoyed that time we > spent together later! I > just wish there was more of it to spend with each > one of you! So then I had > to leave again. I was so thankful my friend came > back to y'all with me cause > it was so great at may's...bar dancing, more great > singing, special times:-) > May is so sweet and has a great place there. > Well I guess that is all for now...I keno there is > so much more I would like > to say but I dunno how and I love everyone I met > there! I never felt out of > place and I enjoyed my time there so much! > Love Nikki > > "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted > most in this world was > to keep my love alive" ~ Heart > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com > [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > > FMYFL@aol.com > > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 12:32 AM > > To: joni@smoe.org > > Subject: New England Jonifest > > > > > > As Paz would say "Oh My Gawd", and those would be > the exact words > > I use to > > describe this years Labor Day fest. Seeing the > good friends I met in New > > Orleans, and making so many wonderful new ones > here made it a > > very special > > weekend indeed. > > > > "At Last", after corresponding with her for so > long, I finally > > got to meet > > Ashara! It was not surprising to find that she is > as warm, gracious and > > enthusiastic as I had expected. From the moment > when she picked > > me up at my > > hotel and I received my first incredible hug, I > knew that I had > > met a friend > > for life. No doubt the long line of cars that was > waiting for us to pull > > away must have thought that I had just returned > home from the war to my > > loving bride. > > > > This weekend held so many special moments: there > was music, food, music, > > drinking, music, talking, music, laughing, music, > hugging, music, > > and LOVE. > > Did I mention there was music? > > > > I know I'll probably leave some of my favorite > moments out of > > this post, but > > there were just too many to possibly mention. > Besides Ashara, I > > want to thank > > three other JMDLer's who made this event possible. > It was my first time > > meeting Maggie, Heather, and ChuckE. I can see why > Ashara won't > > have another > > Jonifest unless she has your help. The food, > decorations, and > > stage setup > > were incredible, and you wonderful people made it > all happen. Sal, even > > though you're not on the list, I consider you an > honorary member. > > Every time > > I saw you, you were cleaning, restocking, and > making sure > > everyone was taken > > care of. You and Ashara are such a perfect couple > and I thank > > you for making > > us feel at home. > > > > It was just like homecoming seeing the warm and > wonderful people > > I had met in > > New Orleans: > > > > *Steve and Leslie Mixon, you are the sweetest and > most musical > > couple I've > > ever met, and it was so good to see you both > again. > > *Michael, I feel like I've known you all my life. > You have such > > a gift for > > music only to be matched by your kindness and > sense of humor. I > > thank you > > for allowing a nonmusical person like me to help > sing background > > vocals on > > "Song for Sharon" (even though I think my > microphone was turned > > off). You do > > give one hell of a butch hug :~) > > *Kakki (or should I say Kaahhki), your wonderful > stories, your > > beauty, and > > your great voice kept me company the entire > weekend. > > *Victor, you truly are the music man! I don't > think there is > > anyone alive > > that loves to share music like you do. I'm sure if > we had had a musical > > instrument only found in Botswana, you would be > able to play it. > > *Bob Muller, only you can make me laugh so hard > that my sides ache. Your > > kindness and charisma from your daily emails is > just a fraction > > of what you > > are like in person. > > *John, although you may bring wonderful > chocolates and cigars from the > > Netherlands, the most important thing you bring is > your heart. > > What a kind > > gentle man you are! It was so wonderful to hear > you sing on stage > > this year. > > One fond memory I have is on Ashara's deck with > about a dozen > > people singing > > in the cool Topsfield air. You and I both had our > arms around > > Claudia trying > > to keep her warm. What a sense of togetherness! > > *Claud, seeing you again was so special. You > have the beauty > > and voice of > > an angel. I could listen to you sing and play > guitar all night > > long. Joni > > herself would be envious to hear you sing > "Conversation". I am so > > blessed to > > know you. > > *Catgirl, although you weren't there very long, > it was still > > great to see > > you again and it was great to hear You, Leslie and > Kakki singing again. > > *Les, there would be no JMDL if it wasn't for all > your hard > > work. It was so > > good to see your warm smile and to party with you > again. === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 10:23:08 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Joni dines with her sisters bruce suggested: >Getting back to this day dream of a dinner party... put Joni in the context of her sisters, her peers...> ummm... there's only one little problem with that idea... Joni HAS no peers!!! :o) pat NP: Solid Love http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 05:54:29 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Sting in Central Park [NJC] I too saw Sting, at the beginning of the tour, the beginning of August, at the Concord pavilion, when k.d. was his 'opening act'. We saw them both from the same amazing close-up seats we saw Joni there from in May. k.d.'s specialness aside, Sting played for 2 solid hours, did his entire new CD, plus a lot of old classic Police songs. Go EARLY and get a good seat UP CLOSE as he is fun to watch and be near (though not nearly as fun as k.d., or Joni up close: he's much more "into" his own genius-osity, if you will). I envy you: free Sting in CentralPark. We paid TEN BUCKS MORE to see him and k.d., than we did for Joni's concert ! ! ! It was a bit ... outrageously high-priced we thought, but went anyway. Richard richard2sf@earthlink.net NP: Garrin Benfield: Living a Dream (http://www.garrin.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:22:39 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Nieteszche........ Way, Way NJC...... Long Clark, Thanks for posting about Nietzsche. That guy had a big brain. Too bad it was completely preoccupied with the Western idea of isolating the intellect at the expense of everything else. To give you a hint of what I'm thinking along these lines, I've been reading "Zen And The Art Of Making A Living". Here, Laurence G. Boldt compares "vocation" with "calling" and "art of". As in the art of flower arranging. To find your true vocation, he advises, "Dive deeply into being, beyond identity and form. Encompass all around you. Penetrate into absorption - absorb into bliss - sail on bliss - into complete quietness. Silence the noise of fear and craving, the static of social obligation. Have no fear: in silence the image of form of your life's natural expression will become clear. Can you hear it? Can you silence the confusion of the mind and its conflicts and listen for your Bliss - the voice of your heart? If many things attract your attention, you're still on the surface. Go deeper. A poet is one who hears and one who makes." Nietzsche thinks while Zen listens but both value clarity. Boldt again: { "Poetic" work comes from the heart. Where "prosaic" work struggles to satisfy the material demands of the body and the ego demands of the mind, poetic work delights in the spirit of living. Spirit led and fed, there isn't a trace of other-worldliness, _moral superiority_, or retreat about it.} (my emphasis) Nietzsche holds himself above while Zen is surrounded. Zen understands paradox (To listen, you must have silence.) while Nietzsche understands simplicity. I'm not saying one's Right, but one feeds me more than the other right now. There's lots more of course. Jim > "God is dead". To paraphrase him, Nietzsche says : > > Truth is arrived at through disbelief and skepticism, not through a > child-like wishing something were so. The desire to be in God’s hands is not > truth, it is a child’s wish for an everlasting bloated nipple. Surely we > must realize that we created God and that all of us together have killed him. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:10:29 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Nieteszche........ Way, Way NJC...... Long Jim wrote: Clark, Thanks for posting about Nietzsche. That guy had a big brain. Too bad it was completely preoccupied with the Western idea of isolating the intellect at the expense of everything else. (snip) Nietzsche holds himself above while Zen is surrounded. Zen understandsparadox (To listen, you must have silence.) while Nietzsche understands simplicity. I'm not saying one's Right, but one feeds me more than the other right now. There's lots more of course. Interesting, Jim. I've always wondered a bit about Joni's fascination with Nietzsche, even more so after Clark posted some of the dark "pearls" of his beliefs which seem to totally conflict with Joni's own beliefs as we know them. Joni has always been more "Zen" directed and embracing of the spiritual and emotional. She has spoken often of rejecting Western ideas of isolating the intellect or categorizing and boxing everything into neat little rational packages. Nietzsche and some of his popular contemporaries of the time such as Freud, seem so anti-human in the long view. Reading them today, they certainly seem more dated than enlightened. Perhaps they were reacting to the social mores, trends and fashionable beliefs of their particular time (Romanticism, Victorianism, etc.). In comparison, their beliefs or notions were so radical and provocative that they probably appealed to people who felt constricted by those mores. Look at their views towards women, which today most would find repulsive and misogynistic. How could two such otherwise brilliant men put forth thoughts that now sound so oppressive, unenlightened? Women were romanticized and put on pedestals in the Victorian and Edwardian ages, so maybe their radical notions might have seemed a sort of refreshing backlash to some chafing under those social mores. Because Nietzsche and Freud were brilliant, they were adept at packaging their notions in compelling writing that was probably very seductive to people who were hungry for new ideas and receptive to a big dose of their kind of "rationality" at the time. But their philosophies really only shine in the context of their times - they are not timeless. Ultimately, Nietzsche is dead, not God. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:49:27 EDT From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: rickie lee's new one greetings listers! it is i, rickielee1. back from cyber oblivion, sporting a new name. don't even ask, because i could never explain it, but it had something to do with viruses and fried hard drives. (i actually installed the new one all by myself, a miracle if i ever heard one...) but i am back and, as i type, am listening to my old namesake's new album. rickie lee jones' "its like this". perhaps following joni's cue, (altho she would probably blacken my eye if she heard me say that) she has released a new cd of other folks' work. unlike joni, however, her selection is a bit more wide ranging, including everyone from gershwin (someone to watch over me) and bernstein/sondheim (one hand, one heart, from west side story) to lennon & mccartney (for no one) & steve winwood (low spark of high heeled boys) and even steely dan (show biz kids), et al. of particular interest is her cover of marvin gaye's trouble man, made more so because of joni's killer version on the pwwm video and on kyle eastwood's cd. one can't help but compare the two. as anyone who knows rickie lee jones, she doesn't copy anyone, so its like the proverbial apple and orange, but you will probably not be surprised to hear joni's version has it all over this one. i can completely understand why some people just cannot deal with rickie lee's junky slur, but for all of us who admire joni's stubborn refusal to ever compromise, or stray from where ever her muse leads, let me tell you there is a parallel here with rickie lee jones. she's a consummate artist. (and there is even a photograph on her website of rickie, sitting at a typewriter, that looks so much like joni it is spooky.) you can have a sneak preview if you go to her website, www.rickieleejones.com and click on the album info. if your computer is equipped with speakers, you can sample the cd and see what you think. be sure to listen to show biz kids, for no one, and high heeled boys if you do. and trouble man, if you're curious. well, i hope this finds everyone well and in good spirits. to those of you who made it to ashara's over labor day, i am sorry i missed you, but circumstances at home did not allow me to get away. next year! peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:37:33 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Nieteszche........ Way, Way NJC...... Long > Kakki wrote: > Because Nietzsche and Freud were brilliant, they were adept at > packaging their notions in compelling writing that was probably very > seductive to people who were hungry for new ideas and receptive to a big > dose of their kind of "rationality" at the time. But their philosophies > really only shine in the context of their times - they are not timeless. > Ultimately, Nietzsche is dead, not God. Can't say i know too much about Nietzsche, but I know a fair amount about Freud. Like the rest of us, he was not so good at self honesty. He allowed his own unexamined fears to prejudice his work. His labelling of his client's stories of being sexually abused by their fathers as neurotic fantasies(and from where he developed his Oedipus theory) was underpinned by his own abuse at the hands of his father. He was not only unable to face the fact that such abuse was common, but also unable to face the truth of his own. He wrote to his friend, whose name escapes me but was also in the field, about the abuse at the hands of his father. Yet still persisted with his 'belief' that the tales he heard were just fantasy. At this time, pedagogy was quite simply abuse of the worst kind. Children were beaten and ignored. Their feelings did not count. The beating of children was advocated. Children were jailed, killed, prostituted, made to work in unsafe and cruel conditions. Frued, although he missed it in himself, was correct when he said that we are all driven by our subconicoius mind(unconcious mind). For example we may react to someone today in a particular way, not because it bears any truth to the present situation, but because that person reminds us of a person in our past and we react according to that experience in the past. This can cause big trouble! Especially in the work place. An employer and an employee may have great diffiuclites cummicating well, or even getting one, because the employee reacts to the employer as the employer was somene form the past who had cause the employeee pain. The employer could have a simliar body build, colouring, mannerism. It even happens via email. Someone could have a way of expressing themselves that reminds the reader of someone in their past. Of course all this goes on unconciously, usually, unless we are in the habit of looking at ourselves and asking ourselves questions. It is a good thing to do, rather than blindly continue to have the same difficulties year in and year out. Frued was right about the subconcious at least. I think whatever thoughts we have about him must bear in mind the damaged child that he was. Far worse than Freud is the modern psychiatric profession who see people as objects whose thoughts and feelings do not count. Who beliebve that it is all 'chemicals' and their cure is to pump chemicals into people regardless of the known(and unknown) damage that they do. Society derides people who turn to mood altering drugs-booze and pot or speed or herion etc-as weak willed people who should face their feelings instead. Yet we have a psychiatric profession who teach people that their feelings are unimportant, the cause is definately not important, and that the answer to grief and pain and feeling depressed is to pop a pill! Spot the difference! Until such times as the pyshiatric profession views people as sentient beings whose thoughts and beliefs mean everything, and not as a malfuntioning biological system, the abuse of people already damaged will continue, the profession will contue to make money, as will the drug companies and the dire side effects of their pills will continue to be swept under the carpet. God help anyone who gets cought in the revolving door of the psychiatric patient. > > > Kakki - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:56:53 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Freud (NJC) colin wrote: >His labelling of his client's stories of being sexually abused >by their fathers as neurotic fantasies(and from where he >developed his Oedipus theory) was underpinned by his own >abuse at the hands of his father. He was not only unable to >face the fact that such abuse was common, but also unable >to face the truth of his own. He wrote to his friend, whose >name escapes me but was also in the field, about the abuse >at the hands of his father. Yet still persisted with his 'belief' >that the tales he heard were just fantasy. > At this time, pedagogy was quite simply abuse of the worst >kind. Children were beaten and ignored. Their feelings did not >count. The beating of children was advocated. Children > were jailed, killed, prostituted, made to work in unsafe and >cruel conditions. I am not too well-read on Freud except to have been exposed to a bit of his theories in college. Maybe he hit it right on the subconscious mind but so many of his other notions seemed preposterous to me. Also, scary that he was so influential in the field of psychology in the first half of the 20th century. I wonder at the damage done to so many people by psychoanalysts schooled in Freudian theory. At least he began to be widely discounted about 30 years ago. My father always referred to him as "Dr. Fraud" ;-) But your point is interesting that his rationalizations might have stemmed from his inability to face his own abuse and demons. Sounds like he found elaborate ways to sweep it under the rug. Maybe not only so he didn't have to personally face it, but also because it was more palatable to the culture at the time who, as you point out, did not necessarily give much regard to the rights and feelings of children. Easy for the adults to absolve themselves when the "professional" deems that the troubles of their children simply stem from neurotic fantasies. Didn't Freud also have a fairly strong cocaine habit? I'm sure that colored his thinking a bit, too. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:27:01 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Nieteszche........ Way, Way NJC...... Long Whew! All I can say is, "Yeah. What _she_ said." [This is an American expression, typically heard in a classroom, when a student has spoken so thoroughly, so effectively, so convincingly as to render follow-up completely unnecessary or impossible. I'm into back-to-school expressions today.] Seriously, this is thing #817 of what I love about this list- where else in my blue collar world am I gonna be able to discuss the relative strengths/weaknesses in 20 th century thought? It's _SO_ cool to hang out, virtually, with you folks! [Thanks again Les I.!] "Nietzsche is dead, not God." HOW COOL! Way to go Kakki! You get a gold star by your name today! You get to wear the intellectual tiara this September! :) Anyway, I must admit that reading _about_ Nietzsche is lots easier than reading the man's own words- whew- what a mind! Many times he sounded like a schizophrenic, losing me for 2 paragraphs at a time, before picking me back up again. For me, it was like reading someone who was able to teeter on the edge of a rant at will, for as long as desired, without losing control all together. For me, the value of reading that stuff (Nietzsche) was in the education that it brought. I mean, I disagree with almost all of it but it explains the basis for logical thought and Industrialization. And maybe even when it blunders ahead, it shows where intellect fails to answer human _needs_ for belief. (Like what if maybe, just maybe, wishing on a Christmas tree can 'cure' polio?) Maybe Joni's rejection of the 'stiff blue-haired rules' of Church lead her to Philosophy. It did for me. I apologize in advance for this statement but maybe Nietzsche is Mrs. Myrtle Anderson's hero. Maybe Joni studied it because it was so close to home, so to speak. But excuse me: Is this all there is folks? Is there no 'True Way'? Is there only Quest and Paradox? Maybe it's a three way smorgasbord- you must take a portion from each food group to have a balanced diet- Eastern Philosophy (like Zen) to encourage you to listen and search, Religion to provide the Way when you need to follow, and Western Philosophy to stimulate intellect and achievement????? Should we bottle this and sell it or just 'put a cork in it'? :) > Kakki said: > Because Nietzsche and Freud were brilliant, they were adept at > packaging their notions in compelling writing that was probably very > seductive to people who were hungry for new ideas and receptive to a big > dose of their kind of "rationality" at the time. But their philosophies > really only shine in the context of their times - they are not timeless. > Ultimately, Nietzsche is dead, not God. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 22:11:48 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Take me back (NJC) Rose wrote: "hanks Jody, thank you Scott. You guys make such a cute couple. I love that shot too. I think I'm in the wrong profession. Should I follow my passion and do promo shots for the boys? How bout it guys? Let's get a gig going here. Rose in NJ" Rose- Hey sign me up. I love these guys. How about a name for the band? Butch on the Rocks ?? Old Stones?? Great shot Rose! It really is one of my faves. I also love the one of me with Nikki and MG. I look like some dude up from Miami. The only thing missing is the gold chains. Love Michael (still trying to find the words and dubbing tapes for Les) NP-Conversation-Claudia From Labor Day 2000(WHAT A GREAT SET!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:12:29 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Nieteszche........ Way, Way NJC...... Long In a message dated 9/9/00 6:31:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << But excuse me: Is this all there is folks? Is there no 'True Way'? Is there only Quest and Paradox? Maybe it's a three way smorgasbord- you must take a portion from each food group to have a balanced diet- Eastern Philosophy (like Zen) to encourage you to listen and search, Religion to provide the Way when you need to follow, and Western Philosophy to stimulate intellect and achievement????? Should we bottle this and sell it or just 'put a cork in it'? :) >> I've done my stints as Catholic-wannabe-nun, Save the World Moonie, Save Him From Himself Wife and more. My conclusion of the "True Way" is lifted straight from Sylvia Tennenbaum's novel: "Rachel, the Rabbi's Wife:" " we are put here on this earth to seek truth and love justice, not to worry about the refrigerator light coming on on the Sabbath." My feelings of emptiness vis-a-vis "why are we here and what should I do about it," started to come to an end with that philosophy. It got tempered with some zen-ish polishing such as understanding "what was your face before you were born," Jesus-y dictums such as "forgiveness" and "loving thy neighbor as thyself" and greater understandings of the meaning of love, ethics, choices, compassion and boundaries. This was all what worked for me. Finding "a way" is not like L'eggs pantyhose. I know a person who has spent considerable time in contemplative retreat as a Buddhist monk who still stumbles on in one of the worst passive-agressive relationships I have ever seen. I know others who haven't cracked open a book since high school and live lives of supreme love and content. I think that Jim's smorgasbord idea hits close to a truth that there is no "one way," just "a way" that will resonate with fulfillment when you find the one that works for you. MG - waiting for the NyQuill to kick in ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 23:07:02 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Jack Nitszche (NJC) Paul wrote: "Speaking of Nietszche , longtime record producer Jack Nitszche (no e?), who worked with many of Joni's contemporaries including Neil Young, died about two weeks ago -- Aug. 25. I have a well-written, detailed and moving obit on him that I received through a Grateful Dead list. If anyone would like to read it, I will forward off-list." Paul- Please forward this to me. I was very upset to hear about Jack's passing. I had the good fortune to work with him on several occasions. I worked on the demo/developmental tracks for a Willie DeVille session with him. It was strange that I was hired to deliver all this gear for them to use a Willie's house and I got there to set it up and Willie and his old lady were in an uproar. They were upset that Jack was coming to town and they had no way to meet him at the airport. I offered to give them a ride to the airport. What was strange was they declined to go with me, but asked if I would go get him. I agreed and met him and had a nice chat on the way back from the airport about music and even sports. He was a big Oakland Raiders Football Fan. A following sunday the New Orleans Saints were to play the Raiders here at home. I asked him to join me for the game and he agreed. It was really surreal hanging out with this music legend at a sporting event. That was a wild week. (The Saints won that one by the way) I since did another session with him for CC Adcock (now with The Little Band of Gold) for which I still haven't been paid (by CC not Jack). But he was very ill and looked like hell. He was not able to complete the sessions and had to return to LA. Losing Jack and Allen Woody (from Govt' Mule) in one week was just too much. Woody is another friend that I met through work, but ended up being friends with. My heart goes out to Matt and Warren and his family as well as Jack's. Rest brothers, Michael NP-American Beauty-Victor (from Labor Day) Another FINE set! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:28 +1000 From: john low Subject: Court & Spark Some time ago Alan from Tasmania asked for comments on “Court & Spark” but the thread seemed to get lost in all the joni-festing euphoria. Anyway, it’s an interesting song and Alan’s thread deserves some discussion. It seems clear that the “court & spark” spoken of in the song has as much to do with religion as with romance. The suitor has had some kind of apocalyptic religious conversion ( by the Children of God perhaps) that gives this otherwise simple courting song a darker more complex edge. Does the song come from a personal experience of Joni? Brian Hinton quotes her as saying it was written in Canada and based on a story from “Vancouver and the Sunshine Coast”. How does this fit with the references to Los Angeles and SF’s Peoples Park in the song's lyrics? Anyone know? John (in Olympic-mad Sydney) PS. Loved reading all the Joni-fest reports and looking at the photos (even though I couldn’t work out who was who)! __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:18:15 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Kindred Spirits and other angels (NJC) Oh MY GAWD!!!!!I have started this post several times and have not been able to get it out. This was a weekend that had some lessons I was not prepared for. Just when I thought I had this whole list/fest thing figured out, I find I didn't know it at all. First of all, all props to Ashara, Chuck, Maggie, and Heather. You guys are so special and what a beautiful labor of love. You guys ought to do this professionally, really. To all the musicians, as far as I am concerned there is never enough time for music and that is mostly what I did the entire time I was there. It is usually all I want to do, but this time I wish there was more time to just talk and get to know more people. I am sorry to all the folks I did not to get to spend more time with. To all the new folks I did get to spend time with, I WANT MORE TOO! All of the playing around the house on piano and guitars was great. Special thanks to Nikki for all the support on SO MANY songs. And Mags and Brian for the greek chorus. Patrick we missed you for the Sarah set. I want to say that Jeff should BY ALL MEANS do a set next year. Jeff your playing has gotten SO GOOD! Hook up with some singers and/or other players and organize yourself a set for next time. We forgot to do Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire (which Claudia was gonna do with me, but once again time, sleep deprevation, and other thieves ran off with that one along with Elsewhere) and that is one I think you play really well. ++++ you know so much of the older stuff that everyone loves to sing. Joe I loved playing your guitar out on the patio and passing it around with everyone. Allison I loved your song about all the devices. You killed me, ya Wanker! And all the butch guys are right about those eyes. I slept less than four hours Saturday morning, less than four hours on Sunday Morning, and laid my weary ass down on May's blood red velvet couch at 9:30am Monday morning and was up by 1pm. Sleep deprevation was definitly the order of the weekend. To Bob Murphy who suggested we buy the house across the street, PLEASE count me in. I think the big yellow and blue JMDL sign will look very cool on the front of that house. My plane was cancelled so I had to take the long way home which was another adventure, I have to tell you about another time. (I just completed DAT # 2 and hit rewind) It so bittersweet to be able to listen to all of this stuff again so soon. Hopefully by next fest I will have my new computer and be hip/cool enough to be able to put this up on the little list right away in mp3 format. NP-Turn Turn Turn-Kakki, Julius, Victor, et. al) The fest moving to the church was way cool cause it gave us an unknown factor that turned out to be a really neat place. I can't believe we even had the grill there as well for the shrimp. Thanks so much to all the beautiful shrimp peelers and cookers (Hi Sal!) Should I say never again? Atty May's again was so magical yet it seemed so short and everyone who had to leave early or not make it at all was sad. May is a very dear friend and I can't say enough good things about her and her friendship. Hanging out on the beach was beautiful and having a band for the masses was a treat as well. It certainly took the pressure off of us who tend to play more ballads and sad ones. Nikki it was a great that you and Ruth could join us for this special time. Maggie, Sal, Anne, et al we missed you! May's house was another magical place complete with talking cat. She told us about some spirits that share the place with her and I swear I could feel them especially when I was lying there mid morning, before slipping into the arms of morpheus. That morning I lie there thinking about everything and felt the end coming on and wishing I could start it all over again or that it would never end. I felt things that I hadn't felt in years and would have loved to be able to spend more time than I was allowed by my grown up side. I agree that JoniFests from now on should be at least a week. Hey Les, care for a few MUSSELS???? To Kakki and Julius, I enjoyed your friendship and the special chorus we made together (nose strips and all) lol. Julius, you ooze with joy and happiness and it made me so happy to be with you and to see you hanging so well with dear May (OK so I was a little jealous too! lol) Kakki, next time I will be better prepared for Byrds stuff and to make up for my poor playing on those tunes I found you a Buffalo Springfield songbook for your collection (on it's way soon). We should really practice the colaborations more and I think it would be so much better. I kinda f-ed up Amie the first night we did it as well (sorry Bob). It makes me want to quit everything else and do music full time so I could be better for these fun times. All in all I love these times together with you all, but I get so damn depressed afterwards and it has been a rough week all week for me. I miss you all terribly and hope to see more of you soon. Many blessings to all of you and to the rest of the list (DO YOURSELF A FAVOR!! ORGANIZE YOUR OWN FESTS OR GO TO THE ONE NEAREST YOU NEXT TIME!!!) Love Paz NP-Silence.. P.S. GOOD NIGHT KAKKI! GOOD NIGHT JULIUS!! Please stop!!!! lol ....and tomorrow say goodbye......dm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:34:46 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: List of Laborday2000 Music (NJC) Here is a list of what my dat player recorded at this years New England Celebration. Apologies to those of you who are not interested in this info, but I did not want to miss anyone. To everyone who played, please correct the spellings and song titles and send them to Les Irvin, Chuck E. and myself for archiving etc. Love Paz New England JoniFest 2000 Tape One Intro-Bob Muller Anne Sandstrom Get Together 5:12 Original Original (Wounded Eyes) 12:36 Original Jenny Goodspeed 18:40 FeetFall (Bruce Cockburn) 22:02 All I Want 26:19 The Ocean 32:50 Conversation Victor Johnson and Leslie Mixon 42:29 The Judgement of the Moon and Stars Bob Muller and Michael Paz 53:10 Furry Sings The Blues 58:47 Amelia 1:07:05 Amie John Van Tiel 1:15:03 Woodstock 1:20:10 The Old Lovers 1:24:34 Tofu Song (Jimmy & Claudia) Claudia San Soucie 1:32:14 Song 1 (Sandy Denny) 1:36:12 Song 2 (Sandy Denny) 1:41:30 Original (about love) 1:50:01 Original (Undercover...) Tape Two Claudia San Soucie (continued) 0:00:46 Original 0:07:12 Original 0:11:17 Conversation Leslie Mixon and Chuck E 0:19:33 The Gallery (with Claudia) 0:25:15 Sweet Blindness 0:32:01 And When I Die (with Steve Mixon) 0:37:18 Sweetbird 0:41:41 Girl of the North Country (with Steve Mixon) Victor Johnson 0:49:03 Way To Blue 0:52:25 Dreaming of You 0:55:00 September 0:59:39 Valentine 1:02:29 Flying Without Wings 1:05:32 American Beauty 1:10:30 Breaking Candles 1:15:06 Little Green Jam F-Troop (oh My gawd!) 1:24:36 La Bamba (Paz, Chuck, Victor, WallyK, Julius, Bob) (needs a warning label in Spanish for Wally's lyrics) 1:35:21 Southern Man (Paz, Chuck, Kakki, Victor, Steve Mixon, Julius, ) 1:42:00 Sugar Mountain (Victor, Chuck, Steve) 1:47:14 Tell Me Why ??? (Neil Young) 1:51:56 ??? (Victor with Steve on Mando) 1:56:53 ????? (Victor and Steve)(Peter Rouen Song) Tape Three Kakki 00:02:03 Turn Turn Turn (with Julius, Victor, ???) 00:05:43 Happy Fucking Birthday (Victor) 00:09:06 Wooden Ships-(Paz, Kakki, Chuck, Victor, Julius,???) 00:18:15 Mr. Tamborine (Kakki, Steve, Victor, Julius, Paz, ???) Ashara 00:25:55 Fields of Gold (Ashara and Chuck) Michael Paz 00:34:27 Coyote 00:40:53 Man From Mars 00:46:29 Refuge of the Roads 00:57:24 Love 01:04:15 You Turn Me On (I'm a Radio)(w/Allison, Chuck, Bob) 01:09:12 Song For Sharon (with Greek Chorus) Wally Kairuz 01:23:45 Latin Love Song 01:25:19 Party of the Three Penny Opera 01:28:38 Coyote 01:36:17 The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines 01:39:14 The Judgement of the Moon and Stars ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #490 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?