From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #478 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Thursday, August 31 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 478 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Dark Secrets VLJC [catman ] Re: Dark Secrets NJC [catman ] Re: hitler and jesus [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: Your Record Thread Poll NJC [Gerald McNamara ] Re: Taking the time for Tunes NJC [catman ] Re: Dark Secrets jnc [catman ] Re: hitler and jesus [Kenny Grant ] Re: hitler and jesus njc [catman ] RE: hitler and jesus ["Wally Kairuz" ] jesus and hitler (NJC) ["Ross, Les" ] RE: hitler and jesus ["Wally Kairuz" ] Dream Dinner (njc) [Robert Holliston ] RE: Dream Dinner (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: hitler and jesus [byron bentley ] My neighbor John Kelly ["Kakki" ] Re: martha njc ["Kakki" ] dark secrets (njc) [Robert Holliston ] Re: My neighbor John Kelly [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Dark Secrets VLJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Joni and Joan Baez [RoseMJoy@aol.com] nightmare dinner party(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: nightmare dinner party(njc) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: nightmare dinner party(njc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Sometimes change comes at you. . . (NJC) [Heather ] hitler and jesus ["kerry" ] Re: hitler and jesus ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: My problem with Hejira (NJC but LOHC)(md) [Heather ] Re: nightmare dinner party(njc) [catman ] Re: Joni and Joan Baez ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Kick off the sand flies [philipf@tinet.ie] Jesus/Hitler ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: nightmare dinner party(njc) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Joni and Joan Baez correction [James O Phillips ] Sting... NJC ["cassy" ] Re: Dark Secrets NJC [Don Rowe ] Re: hitler and jesus ["Stephen Epstein" ] RE: Nickel Chief is Golden [Michael Bird ] The last frigging word on Hate-ler & Jesus ["william" ] Joni "Takes Forever.." (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Wishful thinking (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] re: Dark Secrets (SJC) ["c Karma" ] Favourite Joni to play ["william" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:23:48 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC > > 2) Despite what everyone says about her, I still feel a great affinity > with Geri Halliwell. I like her voice. husky and raunchy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:26:49 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Dark Secrets NJC > > 4.I think Bruce willis is the sexiest man on the planet I don't know about the sexiest but he is definately up there! He has definately improved with age. he could be taller tho! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:18:43 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: hitler and jesus In a message dated 8/31/00 2:14:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << paul, you're just trying to win the sympathy you will never deserve by sounding off like you have a heart or a brain. hitler at least was consistent. wallyk >> Hitler was consistent? what is that? Are you some escaped Nazi living in Argentina with a U-boat in your lagoon? Maybe as a Jewish man I am grossly offended by any mention of Hitler in a civilized conversation, but if you are not, you oughta be. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 7:19:58 UTC From: Gerald McNamara Subject: RE: Your Record Thread Poll NJC John in Sydney wrote: >>Here's a music trivia question for you and any other 'music sluts': >>Can you link The Delltones with the British super-group Cream ? >>(hint... think "Disraeli Gears" or "Wheels Of Fire")" > >Ive racked my brain on this one and the only thing I can think of is >that perhaps Martin Sharp, who designed the Cream album cover, also >designed one for the Delltones. John, you're a champion ! Martin Sharp is the answer I was thinking of. He designed the cover of the Delltones album "Bop Til Ya Drop" (which just about links them to Ry Cooder as well as Cream !) The Olympic torch is getting closer to you John. There are 15 days to go before the Games start. Hope you've got your fridge stacked with beer in readiness for 2 weeks of TV watching. -Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:30:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Taking the time for Tunes NJC > > > Don't get me wrong, I like CD's better for their flexibility, but record > albums did have some things going for them, didn't they? Yes they did. I miss them even tho I prefer cd's. Maybe they could still produce them with 12" sleeves. > > > Bob > > NP: Joni, "Refuge Of The Road" - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:34:17 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Dark Secrets jnc > > 5. It is hard to believe, but I never did purchase Donna Summer's > version of MacArthur Park. My loss. tis the only version I have and it is brilliant-the whole 17 min or so suite. colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:46:38 +0000 From: Kenny Grant Subject: Re: hitler and jesus Hey guys, I'm all for "lightening up" but I have to side with Paul here. The name Adolf Hitler does strike a RAW NERVE, with Jewish people (and many non-Jews as well.) He mass-murdered 6 million people. Most of us have seen the news footage of places like Aushwitz and Belsen, and the ways people were violently extricated from society and their every-day lives, rounded-up, incarcerated en-masse in horrid conditions, and ultimately gassed to death. What many don't immediately realize is that is that were some survivors. People who endured years of torture and somehow managed to escape, and the other "lucky" ones who escaped but lost their entire families - never got to spend their lives with a mother, a father, grandparents, sons, daughters, aunts, uncles, cousins.... While Joni makes casual mention of Hitler in Talk To Me, she also makes mention of "concrete concentration camps" in another song - although it's not about Nazi Germany. -Kenny btw, Paul, sorry for my cheap attempt at humor in a private email earlier (What, you wouldn't want Hilter over for dinner?) You're right, there is no humor. IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/30/00 9:29:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mark.travis@gte.net writes: > > << > And I would ask is there anybody on the list so without humor that > they honestly thought the post about inviting these people to dinner > was meant to be taken seriously? And I don't believe Joni was > planning on inviting Hitler to dinner in 'Talk To Me' either. She > threw his name out as a possible topic of conversation. >> > > Sorry, but when the topic turns to Adolf Hitler, there is no room for humor, > and anyone who thinks so is an insensitive fool or an idiot. > So don't try to laugh it off as a joke. It's not and never can be. > And I can think of 6 million reasons. > > Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:03:02 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: hitler and jesus njc > Are you some escaped Nazi living in > Argentina with a U-boat in your lagoon? I was going to say, i can't believe you wrote that but then I remebered it was you. > > Maybe as a Jewish man I am grossly offended by any mention of Hitler in a > civilized conversation, but if you are not, you oughta be. Maybe myself and Wally and other gay people and gypsy's and handicapped people etc all have reason to dislike Hitler. Maybe the Native Americans have reason to hate Americans and Europeans for their loss of millions of their own. Maybe Palestinians have reason to hate Isralies for not having learned anything from Hitler, except the wrong things. Apart from that, people do not need to be told by you what we should think or feel about anything. Perhaps you could find a way of expressing your feelings about something without insulting, shaming, or being downright rude to those whose opinion differs from yours. It is astonishing( but again it is you) that you of all people should castigate anyone for being insenstive! > > > Paul I - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:37:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: hitler and jesus lagoon? what lagoon? maybe you should take offence at your own insurmountable stupidity. wallyK > Hitler was consistent? what is that? Are you some escaped Nazi living in > Argentina with a U-boat in your lagoon? > Maybe as a Jewish man I am grossly offended by any mention of Hitler in a > civilized conversation, but if you are not, you oughta be. > > Paul I > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:36:53 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: jesus and hitler (NJC) Gosh, I don't know about all this, Paul. I'm not sure especially about someone setting themselves up as some kind of moral arbiter and suggesting that each of us on this list is not in a position to establish for themselves an opinion on Hitler or any other perpetrators of atrocity in our history. My friend Willy the Shake is neither sick, an insensitive fool nor an idiot and indeed were he and I to have lived in Germany at the time of Hitler, we certainly would have been destroyed in the gas chambers. We still seem able to make these flippant compilations without feeling like we are complicit in his deeds by reference, association or any other means. I don't believe that you have any stronger views on Hitler than I do, yet you seem unable to distinguish between the light-hearted take on this imaginary dinner date and some kind of endorsement implicit therein. There isn't one. Do not waste your time looking (oops, too late). Quite frankly I have read the lists of others who'd like to have this person or that person attend and they have caused my eyebrows to raise in surprise at best. So what, it's just a laugh. Your reaction, Paul, seems typical of someone who has missed the reference and, having recognised this, sets out to make a point of principle to recover face. Get a grip Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:48:58 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: hitler and jesus i don't agree with you, kenny. nothing is beyond, above or beneath humor. humor has helped many holocaust survivors live with the nightmare. however, the issue at hand is not humor or whether we are allowed to mention hitler in a light-hearted way. the issue here is that no one is to mention hitler lest we infringe upon paul iv's sole claim to fame: the fact that he is jewish. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:05:45 -0700 From: Robert Holliston Subject: Dream Dinner (njc) Fun thread! Limiting my choices to people I haven't met, and aiming for an eclectic mix, here is my guest list for a dinner at Mystic Beach, Vancouver Island: Joni Mitchell Vivien Leigh Victoria de los Angeles Tallulah Bankhead Marvin Gaye Noel Coward Joe Orton Michael Yarbrough I think this list works because every conceivable pairing results in interesting conversation. Yet there are no two people who will bond and exclude the others (which might happen if we paired Joni with either Miles Davis or Edith Piaf). Assuming that I do all the cooking and serving, there are the following things to consider, without which a dinner party cannot be successful. Food (I need consultation), Wine (I need advice), Music (a dinner party like this requires live talent), flower arrangements, art. So, any JMDL member (other than Michael, who's at the head table) willing to be flown here first class and accomodated in luxury (hey, it's my fantasy - Patrick, Ashara, and Sal will be needed as guides to Mystic Beach in the first place) will be enlisted.... Fun thread - a more subversive response later.... much love and hugs to y'all, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:30:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Dream Dinner (njc) oh my god!!!! tallullah and noel together!!! what will victoria think of their repartee! her eybrows will be busier than ever... wallyK > Joni Mitchell > Vivien Leigh > Victoria de los Angeles > Tallulah Bankhead > Marvin Gaye > Noel Coward > Joe Orton > Michael Yarbrough ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:44:56 -0700 From: byron bentley Subject: Re: hitler and jesus This particular thread is getting frayed and it's looking ugly. Anyone have any scissors? "Balk, Balk, Balk, Balk...Balk,, Balk, Balk...Chicken squawking!" Did I get on the Adolph Hitler Discussion List (AHDL) by mistake? Wally Kairuz wrote: > i don't agree with you, kenny. nothing is beyond, above or beneath humor. > humor has helped many holocaust survivors live with the nightmare. > however, the issue at hand is not humor or whether we are allowed to mention > hitler in a light-hearted way. the issue here is that no one is to mention > hitler lest we infringe upon paul iv's sole claim to fame: the fact that he > is jewish. > wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:37:11 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: My neighbor John Kelly I just found out to my great surprise a few days ago that John Kelly has been staying in my apartment building for the past few months while he was performing in James Joyce's "The Dead" up the street at the Ahmanson Theater. Tonight we finally hooked up, along with Ken Corral, and had a very sweet time. Wowee, he is darling!!!! I'm trying to get him to permanently relocate to L.A. What a fantastic person he is. We started out at my place drinking gin, tequila and wine and listening to the Joni '79 Mingus shows and Carla, too, and then went down to his place with my mini-amp to check out his new Fender Strat and VG-8. (The VG-8 hooks into the mini amp just fine, by the way, Mr. PAZ ;-) I can't tell you enough what a great, talented, charming, witty and interesting person he is. He regaled us with a number of great Joni stories and we heard some of his performances (gorgeous voice - he should rightfully shove his way right in to do a gig with the Irish tenors). Told us about an album he has coming out where he covers, among others, In My Room and Can't Find My Way Home (this was enough to get me going). AUSSIE - TASMAN - KIWI jimdlers - he is coming to Sydney in February with Paved Paradise and hopefully will perform the show in L.A. on his return trip. He's adding the VG-8 to his repetoire. (PAZ - you need to collaborate with him on a few patches). What a special night and what a really special person. John, it was really wonderful to meet you. Please move to L.A.! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:54:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: martha njc Patrick wrote: > i'm almost certain that this is martha graham, the great >modern dancer. would have been a common subject of >intelligent, hip chat in the '70s, the time of the song. Well, what synchro. Tonight John Kelly gave Ken and I a copy of a quote from Martha that is one of the most beautiful things I've ever read: "There is a vitality, a life force, a quickening that is translated through your action, and because there is only one of you in all time, this expression is unique. If you block it, it will never exist through any other medium and be lost. The world will not have it. It is your business to keep it yours, clearly and directly, to keep channels open. No artist is pleased. There is no satisfaction at any time. There is only a blessed unrest, a divine dissatisfaction that keeps is marching and makes us more alive than others." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:01:04 -0700 From: Robert Holliston Subject: dark secrets (njc) First thing - I don't believe in guilty pleasures - if it gives you pleasure, why feel guilty about it? That said, my "guilty" pleasures and dark secrets are: 1. I love watching Friends (bad); and I identify with Phoebe (worse) 2. I LOVE Melanie Griffith, and am proud of it!! 3. Despite being Canadian, I prefer baseball to hockey..... 4. It's pretty safe to say you don't like Gone With The Wind. Well, I don't like The Godfather, and I think Marlon Brando's "acting" in that movie is about as convincing as Vivien Leigh's in GWTW. Putting on asbestos underwear for that one.... 5. I take myself WAY too seriously when it comes to opera. Fred, Patrick, and Michael have convinced me to lighten up. 6. I prefer cheap blended Scotch to costly Single Malt, which tastes (IMHO) either like compost or Scotch-flavored shampoo 7. I plead guilty to being a bespectacled lover of Dickens and Austen. But I'd rather count each and every hair on my arms (and I have very hairy arms) than EVER read another page written by Henry James... As I write this, La Traviata is on TV. The singing is so godawful that I am compelled to remove #5. Other than that, I also enjoy reruns of Cagney and Lacey (now that's a real guilty pleasure!) hee hee! Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:16:41 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: My neighbor John Kelly Kakki writes: << What a special night and what a really special person. John, it was really wonderful to meet you. Please move to L.A.! >> Wow Kakki, what another exciting evening for you. (and I always thought Barbie had everything :~) I wish John would bring his Paved Paradise show to Florida sometime. Did you ask him to come to Ashara's? That would be the next best thing to having Joni there. Thanks for sharing your wonderful evening!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:49:49 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC 1. I get up too early 2. I never listened to Taming the Tiger all the way through: do not like it. 3. Love to eat cotton candy 4. Never saw "Casablanca," (though, like Colin, saw many clips), nor "Citizen Kane." 5. Gobble down "lite" reading by writers such as the Kellermans, Sue Grafton, etc. 6. Although I should boycott it, I'll indulge in "In and Out" hamburgers from time to time. 7. Like whipped cream straight from the can 8. Believed that when cows fell down a hill, their intestines got tangled until I was older than I care to admit and you know there may be more..... MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:56:31 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Joan Baez Relayer211 wrote: "I love the song "Dida" on Joan's Baez's album "Diamonds and Rust",which came out in 1975. " Me Too :-) Joni sounds beautiful.my question is:Why did Joan Baez ask Joni to be on it? Good question. "I have read a quote of Joni where she said that Joan was very rude and unfriendly towards her,because she regared Joni as competition." Do you remember where you read this quote? I'd be interested. "Why did Joan suddenly change her mind and become friendly to Joni,and invite her to sing on her album?Could it have been the "Hurrican" tour with Bob Dylan that broke the Ice?" I think maybe it was all about Bob that started this rivalry. Anyone with any insight on this one? Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:58:41 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: nightmare dinner party(njc) 1. Ivan the Terrible 2. Lucifer 3. Adolf Hitler 4. Stalin 5. Jason Vorhees 6. Count Dracula( the real one from Romania) 7. Charles Manson 8. Geraldo Rivera ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:10:51 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: nightmare dinner party(njc) Victor wrote: << 1. Ivan the Terrible 2. Lucifer 3. Adolf Hitler 4. Stalin 5. Jason Vorhees 6. Count Dracula( the real one from Romania) 7. Charles Manson 8. Geraldo Rivera >> You forgot the Olsen twins :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:13:41 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: nightmare dinner party(njc) In a message dated 8/31/00 8:09:10 AM, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: << 8. Geraldo Rivera >> What kind of pathetic, sick and twisted human being would invite Geraldo Rivera anywhere? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:34:00 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Sometimes change comes at you. . . (NJC) Dear Mary - " Oh but now old friends they're acting strange And they shake their heads And they tell me that I've changed Well something's lost but something's gained In living every day" - JM My very best to you as you turn down another road in life :-) Heather At 11:28 AM 8/30/00 -0500, Pitassi, Mary wrote: >To my JMDL friends: > >All of this talk about get-togethers made me realize how much this list has >meant to me in the nearly four years (gads!!!) that I've been a member, and >that I really should mention that there will be an important change in my >life soon. > >Many of the Saskatoon JMDLers met my partner, Jack, who joined me toward the >end of the trip. However, Jack and I will be separating at the end of next >month after six years together, and I will be moving into a place of my own. >This had been a long time in coming, but, as I'm learning, such endings are >never easy, no matter how prepared you think you are. There are certainly >many reasons on both sides for us to take this final step, but there were >also many, many good times. > >All this to say: as a practical matter, I will be quite busy until at least >the first week of October, and probably will read the digests only >sporadically, at best. So if you want to reach me about a Midwest JMDL >gathering or anything else, it would be best to e-mail me directly. Those >I'll read! > >And as a not-so-practical matter: it's times like this that makes me >grateful for friends, wherever they may be, and however we might >communicate. Thank you for all you have given me over the years. It helps >so much to know that all of you are out there. > >Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:45:38 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: hitler and jesus Wally wrote: >>>[ALSO FROM A JONI MITCHELL SONG, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD.]>>> There's a way of making a point without being rude. Let's drop this whole discussion. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:40:05 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: hitler and jesus Paul I, Sorry to read that it's now politically incorrect to hate Hitler. :) You must try hard to learn that in the 21st century the only unacceptable value is to HOLD a value. :) I can identify with your struggle because it was 3 months ago that I learned that wishing death upon the inner circle is not only acceptable but funny. Lama - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 4:51 AM Subject: RE: hitler and jesus > i don't agree with you, kenny. nothing is beyond, above or beneath humor. > humor has helped many holocaust survivors live with the nightmare. > however, the issue at hand is not humor or whether we are allowed to mention > hitler in a light-hearted way. the issue here is that no one is to mention > hitler lest we infringe upon paul iv's sole claim to fame: the fact that he > is jewish. > wallyk > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:37:07 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: My problem with Hejira (NJC but LOHC)(md) LOL, Marcel!!!!! and I like Hejira :-) Heather At 01:29 PM 8/30/00 -0400, MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: >My biggest problem with the album Hejira is simply that for some reason the >word itself conjures up too many images in my mind which distract me from the >actual meaning of the word itself. To demonstrate this phenomena I submit a >few examples: > >HEJIRA (hedge-eye-rah) > >1) Nurse: Oh my God Doctor what are those awful blotches? > Doctor: Im afraid its Hejira, he has one of the worst cases I've ever >seen. > >2) Blanche: Dearie you look great. You look so different > Mildred: I just went to a plastic surgeon and had a Hejira. > or : My hairdresser gave my scalp a hejira. > >3) Newscaster: The candidate is rocketing up in the polls. His organization >credits his recent surge to in the polls to a totally new Hejira in his >campaigning. > >4) What do you get when you dont fix the wedgie in time: a hejira. > >5) His back strained under the weight of the hejira.... > >6) Reporter at the NASA briefing: Sir, what was the primary cause of the >shuttle explosion. > NASA press liason: We believe that something malfunctioned in the > ship's >Hejira. > >7) Newscaster: Tens of thousands are now homeless as the massive storm >ripped through the tiny island of Hejira located off the coast of >Zanzibar. > >8) Newscaster: In spite of outrage at the United Nations and all the >western nations the tiny country of Hejira was invaded today..... > >9) Telephone Operator: Hello...hello...I cant understand you. Im sorry sir >but no one here speaks Hejira. > >10) Newscaster: The spectators at the World Chess Championship were stunned >as Vladimir Zipynski was able to win in one move by executing the rarest >of all strategic maneuvers, the devastating Hikurks Hejira. > >11) World Wrestling federation: Oh my god Harry and holy moly, hes bending >the mans arm completely backwards. > Sidekick announcer: Yeah Frank he has him in a full hejira. > >or > >12) Olympics announcer: In a recap today Sylvia Kling won the womens >freestyle with a perfect execution of a triple hejira. > >13) What are those little insects that cause itching behind your Cats ear : >Hejira. > >14) The single biggest cause of fatigue among elderly men is a buildup of >Hejira in the bloodstream. > >15) Newscaster: The crowd went completely hejira...... > >16) Science Professor to his class: The Pleeflontal Complex is located just >behind the eye next to the Hejira. > >17) Newscaster: Astronomers today viewing through Mount Palomars 400 inch >telescope were in awe of the suns once every century Hejira. > >18) Newscaster: Entymologists have determined that it is the only remaining >Hejira in existence. President Clinton has vowed to convince Congress to >invest over a billion dollars in preserving its dwindling habitat. > >19) Question: What do you call the pension plan that both buys and sells >against underlying securities. > Answer: Hejira. > >20) Culinary Expert: Waiter, this Pate is divine what does the chef do to >achieve this? > Waiter: I think he just adds a little Hejira. > >21) Question: What is the one thing you are not allowed to expose on >television. > Answer: The hejira. Anybody's hejira. Not even a dog's hejira. No can do. > >21) Michael Paz lecture: To get the most out of your new VG-8 you first need >to control the hejira of the MP3 interface. > >and last but not least: >22) The secret to Kakki's laid back L.A. Martini Mix is, of course, a pinch >of ... > >Allow me to say to those I may have offended with this post. Stick it in your >Hejira. > marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:51:07 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: nightmare dinner party(njc) Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/31/00 8:09:10 AM, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > > << 8. Geraldo Rivera >> > > What kind of pathetic, sick and twisted human being would invite Geraldo > Rivera anywhere? I quite agree. It should be Dr Laura rather than him. > > > --Bob - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:47:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Joni and Joan Baez I doubt all this quite seriously. I have been a fan ofJoan's for a long time (longer than ener of Joni) and not only have I never heard anything rude about her, but I sure she would never look at any other artist as "competition." It's just not her stlye. Jerry On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > Relayer211 wrote: > "I love the song "Dida" on Joan's Baez's album "Diamonds and Rust",which > came out in 1975. " > > Me Too :-) > > Joni sounds beautiful.my question is:Why did Joan Baez ask > Joni to be on it? > > Good question. > > "I have read a quote of Joni where she said that Joan was > very rude and unfriendly towards her,because she regared Joni as > competition." > > Do you remember where you read this quote? I'd be interested. > > "Why did Joan suddenly change her mind and become friendly to > Joni,and invite her to sing on her album?Could it have been the "Hurrican" > tour with Bob Dylan that broke the Ice?" > > I think maybe it was all about Bob that started this rivalry. > > Anyone with any insight on this one? > > Rose in NJ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:53:11 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: hitler and jesus Wally, Wally, Wally, What is up with you? A Jewish JMDLer takes offense at the idea of Adolf Hitler at a dinner party and you scold him for holding a strong opinion on the matter????? This is an indefensible position, clearly. Furthermore, did you really write this: >. the issue here is that no one is to mention > hitler lest we infringe upon paul iv's sole claim to fame: the > fact that he is jewish. This is a personal attack, stating that because Paul is offended by your humor, that he is a zero. You strip him of everything but his faith, which you obviously don't respect either. What kind of vitriol is this? I'm all for healthy debate, as I've shown over and over and over again. But you have crossed the line here. You said that his sole claim to fame is the fact that he is jewish. That is some harsh shit. Please withdraw this statement at once. Lama - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 4:40 AM Subject: RE: hitler and jesus > lagoon? what lagoon? maybe you should take offence at your own > insurmountable stupidity. > wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:10:46 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Kick off the sand flies I like this review of You Turn Me On I'm a Radio. It's from a book called The Heart Of Rock And Soul by Dave Marsh in which he selected the 1000 best singles ever. You Turn Me On I'm A Radio is number 158 on his chart. It's a great book and his essay about Rag Doll by The Four Seasons alone would make it worth buying. He's so right about the lovely harmonica intro on YTMOIAR which Joni put there for the DJs to talk over. Incidentally on the Miles Of Aisles tour Tom Scott played the intro on a melodica. 158 YOU TURN ME ON l'M A RADIO. Joni Mitchell No producer credited: written by Joni Mitchell Asylum 11010 1972 Billboard: #25 The one indisputably great single of the singer/songwriter movement, a simply magnificent unification of airv folk-pop melody and confessional language amidst the quasi-populism of Top 40 metaphors. Ordinarily. Mitchell is way too icy and unfunky for my particular set of predispositions but on the basis of ' Radio," I've forgiven her almost everything up to and including the pretensions of Mingus. Sung with an ache in her throat that comes from just where you want it to—her heart—what makes the record so fine isn't just its sly, slick. and wicked put-downs of her deejay lover, but Mitchell's conviction that broadcasting her passions and discontents will work. And so it does. At home, on your stereo, this might seem like nothing more than wish fulfilment. Driving around at night, or lying on the beach fighting off those sand flies, encountering "You Turn Me on" by surprise, it's the plain truth delivered in words of fewer syllables than you might imagine. With one of the all-time harmonica rifts, too. - - Dave Marsh. The Heart Of Rock and Soul. (with permission) Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:22:22 EDT From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Jesus/Hitler How can the notion of having both at the same table sick?? It is just a damn Thread..man, GET A LIFE. The person was just being playful. blair np: the J.B's :doing it to Death _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:27:59 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: nightmare dinner party(njc) In a message dated 8/31/00 5:25:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << Victor wrote: << 1. Ivan the Terrible 2. Lucifer 3. Adolf Hitler 4. Stalin 5. Jason Vorhees 6. Count Dracula( the real one from Romania) 7. Charles Manson 8. Geraldo Rivera >> You forgot the Olsen twins :~) Lets hear it for Caligula, Robespierre, and that guy in the Holloween movies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:31:16 -0500 From: James O Phillips Subject: Joni and Joan Baez correction Hey, Not to sound like a correcting type of guy, but the song "Dida" that Joni sings on a Joan Baez album is on "Gracious a la vida" not "Diamonds and Rust" I do know that Joni sang on another song of Joan's that is on "Diamonds and Rust". Maybe what smoothed the ice between them (Joan and Joni) is that for a while, Joan was using Henry Lewy as her engineer for most of her A&M albums. It seems to be the logical answer I think. James ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:53:02 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and Joan Baez correction James O Phillips wrote: > Hey, > > Not to sound like a correcting type of guy, but the song "Dida" that Joni > sings on a Joan Baez album is on "Gracious a la vida" not "Diamonds and > Rust" I do know that Joni sang on another song of Joan's that is on > "Diamonds and Rust". It most certainly is. Here is the song list: 1. Diamonds & Rust 2. Fountain Of Sorrow 3. Never Dreamed You'd Leave In Summer 4. Children And All That Jazz 5. Simple Twist Of Fate 6. Blue Sky 7. Hello In There 8. Jesse 9. Winds Of The Old Days 10. Dida 11. I Dream Of Jeannie / Danny Boy Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:58:28 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Joni and Joan Baez correction Jerry's right...not having heard it, I checked out the clip of "Dida" from "Diamonds and Rust" on CDNOW. It is unmistakeably Joni on background vocals. Reuben >>> Jerry Notaro It most certainly is. Here is the song list: 1. Diamonds & Rust 2. Fountain Of Sorrow 3. Never Dreamed You'd Leave In Summer 4. Children And All That Jazz 5. Simple Twist Of Fate 6. Blue Sky 7. Hello In There 8. Jesse 9. Winds Of The Old Days 10. Dida 11. I Dream Of Jeannie / Danny Boy Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:56:50 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Sting... NJC Sting to play free NYC concert NEW YORK (AP) - Some 25,000 fans will get to see Sting perform in Central Park next month - for free. The concert's sponsor, electronics retailer Best Buy, is paying the city $1 million to stage the Sept. 12 performance. The money will go to city youth programs administered by the New York Parks Department and for alcohol-free New Year's Eve celebrations around the city in December, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani said Thursday. Though the show will be free, fans will need tickets and only 25,000 will be available. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:07:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Dark Secrets NJC Oh brother. Okay, in no particular order, here goes nothin': 1. I'm a huge fan of Xena Warrior Princess. 2. I like Country music ... and yes, that includes Wynnona, Garth, Faith Hill and Trisha Yearwood. 3. I did volunteer work for the 1980 Republican National Convention. It's a long story, of course, but the best part was getting to meet Dan Rather, who was suffering from "a hangover the size of the Hindenburg." Now lest you think that puts me on your list of nightmare dinner guests ... I actually voted for John Anderson that year. 4. As I've said in the past, so it's hardly a secret anymore, I'm a Weather Channel junkie. 5. I take pride in the fact that I can still recite the first 14 lines of The Canterbury Tales in Middle English. Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:08:32 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: hitler and jesus I'm relatively new to the group- a bit of a lurker still, though I did post that I wish to invite both Joni and Van Gogh to my dinner party! It seems that this is generally an intelligent, mature group of people with lots of interesting points of view and unique thoughts to share. To date, I have been enjoying it. This business with Hitler is going way too far! Jokingly or not, I don't believe this is a forum for this type of discussion. It is insulting, anti-semitic, and certainly in bad taste- I am sure that Ms. Mitchell would not approve, and she is the reason that we are all here and participating. I respectfully request we end it now, and perhaps those of you who are so inclined can e-mail each other personally- not in this public forum. Thanks and regards Stephen in Vancouver byron bentley on 08/31/2000 02:44:56 AM Please respond to byron bentley To: joni@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: Re: hitler and jesus This particular thread is getting frayed and it's looking ugly. Anyone have any scissors? "Balk, Balk, Balk, Balk...Balk,, Balk, Balk...Chicken squawking!" Did I get on the Adolph Hitler Discussion List (AHDL) by mistake? Wally Kairuz wrote: > i don't agree with you, kenny. nothing is beyond, above or beneath humor. > humor has helped many holocaust survivors live with the nightmare. > however, the issue at hand is not humor or whether we are allowed to mention > hitler in a light-hearted way. the issue here is that no one is to mention > hitler lest we infringe upon paul iv's sole claim to fame: the fact that he > is jewish. > wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:22:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Bird Subject: RE: Nickel Chief is Golden Thanks for spreading the word, Stephen. I shall hire you as my publicist, press secretary, and fashion advisor. For anyone interested in seeing the show, be assured there IS Joni Content! Nickel Chief >>>>>>>>>Congratulations to listmember Nickel Chief, who has written a play that is being produced Off-Off Broadway: QUARTET by Michael Bird (a.k.a. Nickel Chief) is being presented September 7-30 Thu-Fri-Sat nights at 8 P.M. DTX 156 Water Street @ Pearl Street, Brooklyn (F to York Street, two blocks downhill on Jay Street, left on Water) tickets $10 reservations/information 212-462-3213 Break a leg Nickel Chief! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:32:16 +0700 From: "william" Subject: The last frigging word on Hate-ler & Jesus Let's put this dumb thread and IV to rest oops at rest. IV negative asked "What kind of person are you?" I replied personally to save any embarrassment. I feel in order to clarify (to all the JMDLers) what kind of person Willy the Shake is, I have to post the original reply that I sent to IVPaul. So here you have it. Oh please relax for IV's sake. It crossed my mind some unenlightened soul may question that. Are you unaware it's merely quoting from Talk to Me? It happens to be the third song on DJRD which came out in 1997 or was it 1928? See I don't know that much either. I'd love to ask Adolf over if only to make him eat his balls that I'd just castrated (though I have heard he only did have one which he used for his brain), then pour lighter fluid over him and let him smell the acrid hairs alight, watch his cursed skin creep under the heat 6,000,000 times (and the rest) if you're able to grasp what I mean. Then watch a slo-mo exocet missile penetrate his eyeball. May he rot eternally listening to Meat Loaf, Michael Bolton. But even they don't deserve such a bad audience. If you know who Martha is do let me know. I invited her to my hypothetical dinner do too. Chezus who might she be? Why would Joni want to talk about Adolf Hate-ler anyway? Maybe I'll post another hypo-supper, nah, it's a stupid thread. Don't you think? I'd much rather discuss beauty, compassion and the lack of it in the world, charity, taking responsibility for one's actions, charity, meditation. What kind of person are you IV? Thanks for your concern, Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:46:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Joan Baez correction Joni & Joan do TWO distinct versions of "Dida"...one is on "Diamonds & Rust", one is on "Gracias Por La Vida". Both are available on the "Covers & Contributions" collection that has been shared and is open to any JMDL'er who would like them! Bob NP: The Monkees, "I'm A Believer" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:47:46 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: hitler and jesus (md) My only comment about this ridiculous bickering subject matter is that (a)Some Jewish people obviously are overly sensetive to the very word Hitler. (b) Stalin killed more Jews than Hitler so why didnt he get upset about Stalins being invited. (c) Selective outrage over inncouous matters reveals a neurosis only seen (and celebrated) heretofore in Woody Allen movies. (d) Wonder what he thought about Woody's Hitler scene in Zelig. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:52:31 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Philistines (NJC) Azeem wrote: >I think Anthony Hopkins is an overrated ham! I saw him on stage in LA, playing Prospero in The Tempest, and it knocked my socks off. He *is* a great actor. >I've never voluntarily read...Shakespeare Duh! You're not supposed to read him - see a production on stage! Willy the Shake rules, man! :) - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:54:57 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni "Takes Forever.." (NJC) Christopher wrote: >It's amazing how dated the stuff is, old Rolling Stone, the ads, the >nudity..all of it. and yet, I still have more respect for the rag it was >then than I do for whatever the hell RS is now! Oh, me too, 100%. It was so much a journal of "our" culture. Sometime in the '80s they lost me, and I didn't re-sub. - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:58:07 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Wishful thinking (NJC) PazMan wrote: >Steve- > We regret to inform you that your name still DOES NOT appear there. If >it is any consolation, neither is Clark's. Oh, Clark is way too young to have known Joni then. :) However, I *was* hoping that, amongst the many things that I've forgotten from the '60s and '70s... :) Blame it on the Strawberry Hill. - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:32:10 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Dark Secrets (SJC) Jason, You're not alone there. I also don't own MOA, although it's cover art and photography make me want to find a mint/sealed vinyl copy. Except for the recent tour with Dylan and Van Morrison, I rarely enjoyed seeing Joni perform in big arenas, shows like MOA chronicles. True the album has some wonderful moments, but overall I just felt the performances to be too glossy and incongruously over-amplified (not in terms of volume, but scale): case in point, live "Rainy Night House" and "You Turn Me On (I'm A Radio)." (Though "Cactus Tree" might redeem the whole package, IMHO.) While I like the idea of such a thread as "Dark Secrets" I might caution listers to temper possibly inflammatory political or personal statements. While I believe that great art rises from conflict and contrast, I also believe in the spirit of community and would discourage discourse within the list. We should agree to disagree, but let's not piss each other off. Please don't interpret this as arrogance, I wouldn't mean to censor anyone's deep convictions. CC "I heard there was no sickness And no toil or danger Just mercy and plenty Where peaceful waters flow, Where peaceful waters flow." -- JM _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:50:04 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Favourite Joni to play Now this is more like it. I love playing the one where she sings about Jesus and Hitler and How-odd Huge. I get such a buzzz outta that line! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!! I went back to the UK (for the Millenium) after a four-year absence and I thought it might be a good idea to make a CD of mysel-i-f and friends here in Indonesia for my family back home. I chose a running order; Young Blood - RLJ Sara - Dylan Long Ago & ...... - JT Woodstock - Joni Rainy Day Women -Dylan Wild Mountain Thyme - Trad. I sometimes play at our local and am frequently asked to render Sara. I always follow with Woodstock in standard which gets the pint-punters to shut up for 4 minutes and 30 secs. Sometimes (another) Martin is there with his sax. So-o-o haunting. I'd love to have the time and the number of guitars required to play endless Joni tuned but I get "fretful" (pun intended) when I have to retune my cheapo Yamaha. So needless to say my renditions of Joni's catalogue are sparse. The ones I do play are; Carey; A Case of You; Raised on Robbery; Coyote; This Flight Tonight; For the Roses; Cactus Tree; Big Yellow Taxi; Woodstock; All I Want and maybe a few others. Literally, anything after Coyote and there's no comprehending. I admire folks like (JMDLer) Martin who can do it. Hey Martin you strum I'll sing! Getting to Martin's point - which three and why. 1) - Woodstock. The chords are easy to play and I've learned a little from Joni's style; that chop chop and droning sound to make it easily the best I could possibly make of Joni's songs. It's nothing to do with my voice but the emotions in the melody which other folks enjoy. "Who sings that?" they'll ask. Also being in a studio and doing harmonies over one's own voice gave me such a buzz. My mate Paul (not IV) was with me at the recording and he's invariably in the bar when I sing so he does the harmony. So that's my number one. 2) - Raised on Robbery. It's the fact I don't have to pick but just bar and let it rock that I like. Noise can cover up a multitude of sins in bad playing. That's me. It's a shame it's a shame it's a crying shame. 3) - For the Roses. Again it's such a song and the only one I can get a quarter close to in standard that sounds C-grade passable on the original. I'd love to attend a JoniFest. My 2 rupiahs worth Willy the Shake NP - Cherokee Louise from Just Ice ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #478 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?